New York City
Does anyone know where to find a lot of Euro girls in NYC outside of Time Square itself?
I heard the Meatpacking District is a great place to start out but I'd love more thoughts.
I heard the Meatpacking District is a great place to start out but I'd love more thoughts.
Quote: (02-10-2019 08:40 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:
Does anyone know where to find a lot of Euro girls in NYC outside of Time Square itself?
I heard the Meatpacking District is a great place to start out but I'd love more thoughts.
You might want to try Soho, it attracts a large number of fashionistas, many of whom are from Europe. During the day they're all over the neighbourhood, and at night you can try any of the restaurants and bars, here are a few :
Cipriani : High end Italian restaurant on West Broadway, lots of Europeans sitting both inside and outside for the people watching opportunities. You can go to the bar at night which gets a larger crowd and skip the restaurant part.
Pegu Club : Lounge on Houston Street, dark, spacious, more of a date venue but there are Europeans here.
The Ship : Large, two floor bar on Lafayette, gets a large out of town crowd including Euro girls.
Can anyone recommend some good happy hour spots during fashion week?
Thank you for the advice guys.
As much complaints as there were about women on the threads, I so missed the directness of game. I recently number closed this brunette cutie and just went direct with it, been a while since I practiced direct game itself. The culture of the city almost seems game oriented, like women expect for guys to approach them and will tell you if they are interested or not. It is usually a one word answer if not interested and they are, they'll almost work with you for next steps. Got a date scheduled for tomorrow with the brunette I closed, lets see how it all goes but I missed this.
People take the game culture in NYC for granted, it isn't like that in a lot of cities where cold approaching is seen as odd, weird, and can ruin your social reputation. Needless to say, summer is coming up soon, city should be filling up with some hot girls fresh out of college!
As much complaints as there were about women on the threads, I so missed the directness of game. I recently number closed this brunette cutie and just went direct with it, been a while since I practiced direct game itself. The culture of the city almost seems game oriented, like women expect for guys to approach them and will tell you if they are interested or not. It is usually a one word answer if not interested and they are, they'll almost work with you for next steps. Got a date scheduled for tomorrow with the brunette I closed, lets see how it all goes but I missed this.
People take the game culture in NYC for granted, it isn't like that in a lot of cities where cold approaching is seen as odd, weird, and can ruin your social reputation. Needless to say, summer is coming up soon, city should be filling up with some hot girls fresh out of college!
I love NYC and have been here a couple of months. I am pondering moving here but fuck me is it expensive. I can afford a good lifetsyle here but the extra cost v Chicago or Austin is money that I could be plowing into savings.
I would never consider it for the long term that's for sure.
I would never consider it for the long term that's for sure.
I am 22 years old, and the one thing that i've never done, that I want to do is to live in a city that is first-tier. IE New York or LA, Chicago by a stretch, and in the faintest sense, maybe Miami.
For some reason, New York seems to have the most draw. (Speaking in terms of weather, NYC seems a lot more desirable than Chicago). And NYC is much bigger than LA. My personality is probably a better fit for NY anyway.
So I guess my question is this: I'm new to the workforce. And I have a degree, and several years of work experience. NYC to me seems overpriced, high tax, decently SJW, and I'm sure many are getting rent from their parents. Does it make sense for me to give NYC a shot, or should I aim for one of the other cities. Or, for example, should I go back to school, in maybe a place like Berlin, and enjoy all the positives of a place like NYC without all the negatives.
I think it's Paul Janka, the famous NYC-based pickup artist, who said that he recommends every guy move to NYC if he wants to maximize his chances with game...
For some reason, New York seems to have the most draw. (Speaking in terms of weather, NYC seems a lot more desirable than Chicago). And NYC is much bigger than LA. My personality is probably a better fit for NY anyway.
So I guess my question is this: I'm new to the workforce. And I have a degree, and several years of work experience. NYC to me seems overpriced, high tax, decently SJW, and I'm sure many are getting rent from their parents. Does it make sense for me to give NYC a shot, or should I aim for one of the other cities. Or, for example, should I go back to school, in maybe a place like Berlin, and enjoy all the positives of a place like NYC without all the negatives.
I think it's Paul Janka, the famous NYC-based pickup artist, who said that he recommends every guy move to NYC if he wants to maximize his chances with game...
The good thing about NYC being expensive is that you do not deal with the fake 40k millionaire try-hards here that you would in a lot of more B-tier cities. NYC almost forces you to be better, you just cannot fake success here when it comes to game. When it comes to finances, it forces you to push yourself and bust your ass at work so you can get ahead. Whether it is game or life here in general, NYC is truly a winner-take-all kind of city.
What I am loving about NYC and missed about the city is just how real it is compared to other cities I have lived in. Game in NYC just makes sense, it is not as fake as it is in other cities. Guys who are doing well in this city have something going for them and are not getting by on phony good ol boy status, even if it is good ol boy status, it is legitimate old money good ol boy status.
It is a far cry to cities in the midwest or the south where you see some overweight plain boring tard pulling because of who he was in high school or some douchey hair gel Oakley sunglasses wearing loser with a girl out of his league. Women in NYC seem to sniff out fake and phony fast, most guys doing well here are bringing something to the table.
Women here have real standards. You will lose out to guys who are more handsome, wealthier, or have better game than you do. It is different from flyover country where you lose out to uglier and more poor guys just because they had good ol boy status.
What I am loving about NYC and missed about the city is just how real it is compared to other cities I have lived in. Game in NYC just makes sense, it is not as fake as it is in other cities. Guys who are doing well in this city have something going for them and are not getting by on phony good ol boy status, even if it is good ol boy status, it is legitimate old money good ol boy status.
It is a far cry to cities in the midwest or the south where you see some overweight plain boring tard pulling because of who he was in high school or some douchey hair gel Oakley sunglasses wearing loser with a girl out of his league. Women in NYC seem to sniff out fake and phony fast, most guys doing well here are bringing something to the table.
Women here have real standards. You will lose out to guys who are more handsome, wealthier, or have better game than you do. It is different from flyover country where you lose out to uglier and more poor guys just because they had good ol boy status.
Expect to take a significant lifestyle hit in NYC in exchange for significant networking/game benefits.
My recommendation is to live in NJ. You save considerably on taxes and the train or ferry time can usually be used fruitfully.
My recommendation is to live in NJ. You save considerably on taxes and the train or ferry time can usually be used fruitfully.
I would recommend Chicago massively over NYC to any 22 year old. You just aren't gonna make anywhere near the sort of coin you need to have a decent standard of living in NYC.
Plus, Chicago has plenty to keep you busy and entertained.
Chicago has better summers than NYC but much worse winters.
I think living in NYC for 6 months to a year or two is well worth it. Passed that it is diminishing returns.
It's really incredible the accomodation that people making $120k plus live in. Anywhere else in the country they call it section 8 ghetto digs.
Plus, Chicago has plenty to keep you busy and entertained.
Chicago has better summers than NYC but much worse winters.
I think living in NYC for 6 months to a year or two is well worth it. Passed that it is diminishing returns.
It's really incredible the accomodation that people making $120k plus live in. Anywhere else in the country they call it section 8 ghetto digs.
Do not live in NJ, not even Hoboken. NJ is really just a bunch of posers who brag about how great Jersey is but wish they could afford living in NYC. I've visited a handful of times, you're usually dealing with fake wealth, cranky Italians, and a bunch of try-hards. People raise families in NJ, no one really lives there for the fun aspect of it.
I honestly believe that the high cost of living in NYC is in some ways a blessing, it weeds out the posers and gives this city it's authenticity. In too many cities you have to deal with the fake 40k millionaire types and an overall sad excuse of a local culture. I know because I had spend a year or so in a second class city and it drove me to the brink of insanity, still recovering a bit from it. The high standards of NYC whether it is tough entry into clubs or hard to get a place vets out a lot of posers and guys not doing shit with their lives, they can stay in the Omahas, Atlantas, and Houstons of the world.
At the end of the day, everything comes with a cost. You live in NYC for the good ratios, social opportunities, and the chance to network with ambitious people that want to do something with their lives. Well, a lot of those people are going to have their money locked down and if you are not making a decent enough salary, be realistic with yourself and don't come here. Like everything in life, it all comes at a cost.
Yeah I will sacrifice living by myself in luxury apartment in a tier b city for the culture, at the end of the day if you have a clean room and place that is reasonably decent looking, it is worth it.
No need to live like a spoiled prince when you are young, you can do that when you are old anyways.
I honestly believe that the high cost of living in NYC is in some ways a blessing, it weeds out the posers and gives this city it's authenticity. In too many cities you have to deal with the fake 40k millionaire types and an overall sad excuse of a local culture. I know because I had spend a year or so in a second class city and it drove me to the brink of insanity, still recovering a bit from it. The high standards of NYC whether it is tough entry into clubs or hard to get a place vets out a lot of posers and guys not doing shit with their lives, they can stay in the Omahas, Atlantas, and Houstons of the world.
At the end of the day, everything comes with a cost. You live in NYC for the good ratios, social opportunities, and the chance to network with ambitious people that want to do something with their lives. Well, a lot of those people are going to have their money locked down and if you are not making a decent enough salary, be realistic with yourself and don't come here. Like everything in life, it all comes at a cost.
Yeah I will sacrifice living by myself in luxury apartment in a tier b city for the culture, at the end of the day if you have a clean room and place that is reasonably decent looking, it is worth it.
No need to live like a spoiled prince when you are young, you can do that when you are old anyways.
Yeah, good points. NYC is a ton of fun. I think the best thing about it is the people. Definitely meet some interesting, higher caliber people all the time.
I've lived here back in 2013/14 and am here now for going on 3 months. Still can't get my head round the cost and insane income taxes.
I make good money and live comfortably here but it's really made me appreciate Chicago. It's just incredible what a deal it is.
Rent is a third of the price
State income tax of 5% v 12% in my bracket
Everything else slash 25% off.
And it's still got a true metropolitan feel with skyscrapers and density.
I think anyone that can should definitely experience NYC for a while but I cannot fathom how anyone could attach long term.
I've lived here back in 2013/14 and am here now for going on 3 months. Still can't get my head round the cost and insane income taxes.
I make good money and live comfortably here but it's really made me appreciate Chicago. It's just incredible what a deal it is.
Rent is a third of the price
State income tax of 5% v 12% in my bracket
Everything else slash 25% off.
And it's still got a true metropolitan feel with skyscrapers and density.
I think anyone that can should definitely experience NYC for a while but I cannot fathom how anyone could attach long term.
Quote: (02-26-2019 10:46 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:
Do not live in NJ, not even Hoboken. NJ is really just a bunch of posers who brag about how great Jersey is but wish they could afford living in NYC. I've visited a handful of times, you're usually dealing with fake wealth, cranky Italians, and a bunch of try-hards. People raise families in NJ, no one really lives there for the fun aspect of it.
You don't know Jersey well if you think residents like this state lol. As someone who lives in the state, I think you got the wrong impression from Jersey folks. Everyone I talk to in the state, forum members especially, all agree NYC is the superior location. Jersey is a convenient suburb state with access to shore towns in the summer. Nothing more, nothing less. It's severely lacking first tier city life of its own and relies on Philly and NYC to provide that. But for us, we know that logistics are terrible for trying to game from there. Hoboken is your only real shot from Jersey and even that can be a 15 minute train ride that doesn't have 24/7 ops. Plus that city is the most expensive in Jersey to rent.
It's not that Jersey folks think the state is great, it's that we're used to the entire country shitting on it and being considered the armpit of the northeast along with Connecticut and Rhode Island, so there's more of a chip on the shoulder than anything. For gaming logistics, I agree it's not ideal. Brooklyn wins out here just for 24/7 cheaper subway access alone. It's not cheap getting into the city from here.
The unanimous reason all the forum members I know from Jersey choose to live there is to build up a savings account. Keep in mind, most here are in their 20's or 30's and don't make retarded financial decisions. If I were to live in NYC, it would eat up my entire paycheck, I'd have to live with roommates I'm taking a 50/50 shot of getting along with, and the biggest factor of all being I can't travel to other places because NYC would eat up my money for that. The last few years I've taken 5-6 trips a year. No way I'd be able to do that living in the city. NYC as mentioned in other posts kind of requires an all-in attitude. I'm too young to really commit myself to one location. I don't see that as freedom, so I have personally chosen to sacrifice the better NYC life in order to stay in Jersey and give myself chances to access other parts of the country and the world.
Also, the entire northeast is full of try-hards. There really is an aggressive attitude that's almost shark-like in this part of the country. But yea, Jersey is the top state that people want to move out of lol. It's more of a family spot to escape the city chaos once you're ready to settle down. Not ideal for young guys with 20's girls flocking to Philly and NYC, but I question how some of those 20's people are building any type of savings account. Not all of them make six figures for sure and I've met a couple in NYC that mainly work as servers or bartenders.
Also, I know jb is promoting Chicago. I only have a few days experience under my belt there, but it really gave me a Jersey vibe in a bad way. Inferior version of NYC feel. Not trying to hate on it, but I'm curious if you've been in Jersey at all to kind of understand what I'm talking about. It may just be a me thing there or I just did the city wrong.
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Quote: (02-26-2019 11:38 PM)yankeetravels Wrote:
Also, the entire northeast is full of try-hards. There really is an aggressive attitude that's almost shark-like in this part of the country. But yea, Jersey is the top state that people want to move out of lol. It's more of a family spot to escape the city chaos once you're ready to settle down. Not ideal for young guys with 20's girls flocking to Philly and NYC, but I question how some of those 20's people are building any type of savings account. Not all of them make six figures for sure and I've met a couple in NYC that mainly work as servers or bartenders.
Also, I know jb is promoting Chicago. I only have a few days experience under my belt there, but it really gave me a Jersey vibe in a bad way. Inferior version of NYC feel. Not trying to hate on it, but I'm curious if you've been in Jersey at all to kind of understand what I'm talking about. It may just be a me thing there or I just did the city wrong.
Chicago isn't as cosmopolitan as NYC in the sense that you don't have people from all over the world moving there. It's also more of an "American" city, so there's also what that reality entails. I do actually like Chicago and wanted to move there myself but it just didn't materialize. The winters suck but for a young guy in his 20's the economic benefits can't be beat for the size.
As for NJ, I would say the vast majority of girls looking to get out are interested in NYC, or at least those girls who are probably staying single (and really the ones we care about here). There are some women who go to Philly, which helps the gender ratios there. However, there aren't that many single girls in the Philly area. Many girls tend to be in serious relationships or get married while still relatively young (late 20's). The mentality is different because you don't have girls who are trying to live that "Sex in the City" kind of lifestyle. NYC is the best city for women in the northeast US.
Chicago isn't as cosmopolitan as NYC and that has as many benefits as downsides though too.
Outside of Manhattan, there are a lot more third-world type immigrants.
I'm actually from the UK. My friendship group in Chicago is about 70% non-US Anglosphere. We are definitely not a rarity here like in most US cities but NYC is literally saturated with Brits lol
Outside of Manhattan, there are a lot more third-world type immigrants.
I'm actually from the UK. My friendship group in Chicago is about 70% non-US Anglosphere. We are definitely not a rarity here like in most US cities but NYC is literally saturated with Brits lol
Quote: (02-26-2019 10:46 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:
Do not live in NJ, not even Hoboken. NJ is really just a bunch of posers who brag about how great Jersey is but wish they could afford living in NYC. I've visited a handful of times, you're usually dealing with fake wealth, cranky Italians, and a bunch of try-hards. People raise families in NJ, no one really lives there for the fun aspect of it.
Rude. Adding New Jersey to the diverse list of topics you are not qualified to comment on Mr. Beer.
Chicago is definitely a top tier city for me to consider because of how friendly the women and people are from my experience, no one gives the midwest its dues for hospitality. The midwestern blonde farmer daughter types as definitely friendly and quite a lot of them hot too, plus the social atmosphere seemed more relaxed whenever I have visited. I'd say it is in my top 3 for cities in the US and the fact that the rent is reasonable compared to NYC make it a top tier destination for any single guy in his 20s.
The issue is that you are comparing Chicago to NYC and while it can hold its own, NYC is in a class of its own. Social opportunities in the city are unreal and I took them for granted after living in a tier 2 city where everyone is married with kids by their late 20s. Just the past weekend I spent time in East Village and the energy was so unreal, I mean the crowds you run into and the kinds of people you get to meet in the city, you just don't get this value from other cities.
And the whole try-hard attitude is definitely not an NYC thing from what I have witnessed, at least not in Manhattan and the more affluent parts of Queens and Brooklyn. People in NYC who are in the wealthier areas of the city are relatively chill and just go about their work and life. If anything, I'd say you get it more from people in the northeast outside of NYC and just people in areas where new wealth and 40k millionaires are a thing.
I have found that the truly wealthy and the people who have made it rarely need to try hard the same way that guys who are actually powerful (physically or socially) rarely have to put on a front. The saying goes that the loudest man in the room is the weakest man in the room.
As for NJ in terms of game, definitely not feeling the women there! I have met a handful of good looking ones but they just lead dudes on and seem to be tough to read. I will give credit where it is due though, the place has caught me off guard with the amount of good looking girls it has.
The issue is that you are comparing Chicago to NYC and while it can hold its own, NYC is in a class of its own. Social opportunities in the city are unreal and I took them for granted after living in a tier 2 city where everyone is married with kids by their late 20s. Just the past weekend I spent time in East Village and the energy was so unreal, I mean the crowds you run into and the kinds of people you get to meet in the city, you just don't get this value from other cities.
And the whole try-hard attitude is definitely not an NYC thing from what I have witnessed, at least not in Manhattan and the more affluent parts of Queens and Brooklyn. People in NYC who are in the wealthier areas of the city are relatively chill and just go about their work and life. If anything, I'd say you get it more from people in the northeast outside of NYC and just people in areas where new wealth and 40k millionaires are a thing.
I have found that the truly wealthy and the people who have made it rarely need to try hard the same way that guys who are actually powerful (physically or socially) rarely have to put on a front. The saying goes that the loudest man in the room is the weakest man in the room.
As for NJ in terms of game, definitely not feeling the women there! I have met a handful of good looking ones but they just lead dudes on and seem to be tough to read. I will give credit where it is due though, the place has caught me off guard with the amount of good looking girls it has.
I would def not compare Chicago to Jersey. Jersey is a suburb and a logistical mess.
If you live in the center of Chicago it can feel like a small version of manhattan with a lot less ethnic diversity but cheaper rent.
Chicago is plenty big enough to enjoy and live there though. The amount of places you can hang out are much less than NYC, but your quality of life will be much higher if you're middle class.
If you live in the center of Chicago it can feel like a small version of manhattan with a lot less ethnic diversity but cheaper rent.
Chicago is plenty big enough to enjoy and live there though. The amount of places you can hang out are much less than NYC, but your quality of life will be much higher if you're middle class.
I don't think anyone is comparing Chicago and NJ.
Def agree with A Beer is Enough that NYC has the best energy/buzz and social life possible.
I've been really enjoying myself here. I was tempted to move here for longer for a short while but I just can't justify the costs. It's obscene.
I can afford to live very well in Manhattan but that huge NYC surcharge is money I could be putting away in savings. The income taxes there are absolutely mental too.
For $2,200 a month you can get a sweet bachelor pad in a brand new high rise with a pool and gym, e.g. niche905.com and dozens others.
In NYC, you can maybe get a shit hole in Queens for that lol
All that said, if Chicago didn't exist I would definitely move to NYC. Such a fun city.
Def agree with A Beer is Enough that NYC has the best energy/buzz and social life possible.
I've been really enjoying myself here. I was tempted to move here for longer for a short while but I just can't justify the costs. It's obscene.
I can afford to live very well in Manhattan but that huge NYC surcharge is money I could be putting away in savings. The income taxes there are absolutely mental too.
For $2,200 a month you can get a sweet bachelor pad in a brand new high rise with a pool and gym, e.g. niche905.com and dozens others.
In NYC, you can maybe get a shit hole in Queens for that lol
All that said, if Chicago didn't exist I would definitely move to NYC. Such a fun city.
I will go to new york in april or may. Can you tell me in which neighbourhood I should get my airbnb? Also, have you experience in bringing a girl from tinder to a 1 room airbnb? Is that ok for the hosts?
Stay in the East Village or LES. Failing that, get as close to there as possible. It's where the best action is.
Get a place to yourself unless you just absolutely can't.
Hit happy hours to save money. 13th Step has one until 8pm eberyday.
Get a place to yourself unless you just absolutely can't.
Hit happy hours to save money. 13th Step has one until 8pm eberyday.
AirBnB is going through a lawsuit with NYC so be weary of getting one, most listings are actually illegal.
As for LES, I think it is largely overhyped. The LES is mostly cliquish college kids and feels like a cliqiuish fratty college atmosphere, people go out to the bars in large packed groups that are closed off. In many ways, the bars in the place remind me of bars in flyover country cities, they are just too try-hard (especially Hair On The Dog) and the social atmosphere is not for anyone above 22.
If you are going to go to the LES, go with a large group.
As for LES, I think it is largely overhyped. The LES is mostly cliquish college kids and feels like a cliqiuish fratty college atmosphere, people go out to the bars in large packed groups that are closed off. In many ways, the bars in the place remind me of bars in flyover country cities, they are just too try-hard (especially Hair On The Dog) and the social atmosphere is not for anyone above 22.
If you are going to go to the LES, go with a large group.
Quote: (02-28-2019 08:04 AM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:
I would def not compare Chicago to Jersey. Jersey is a suburb and a logistical mess.
If you live in the center of Chicago it can feel like a small version of manhattan with a lot less ethnic diversity but cheaper rent.
Chicago is plenty big enough to enjoy and live there though. The amount of places you can hang out are much less than NYC, but your quality of life will be much higher if you're middle class.
Yeah saying Chicago is similar to New Jersey is just fucking stupid. Jersey is more or less essentially one big giant suburb, either of NY or Philly. People in Jersey are far more obnoxious than Chicago and Midwesterners are. Winters do suck in Chicago but that and being in the middle of the country is what helps to keep Chicago relatively affordable relative to other cities, especially those on either coast. NY is great for loose single liberal women but you get old enough and other things start to matter a lot more than those NY Sex and the City hoes. NY is good for 2-3 years when you're young but after that, to really get ahead and to keep your sanity, you have to move on from the place. Like jbunkt said, $2000 can get you a nice 1 bedroom downtown and a decent 2 bedroom in other areas of Chicago whereas in NY you can get a rat infested studio in some god awful area for that. As for diversity, who cares, Chicago is more than diverse enough, if that even matters, which to me it doesn't anymore.
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