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#26

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I noticed some receding hair at the temples around 34..I'm now 39.
I take Propecia once every other day...so less than the recommended,as I was wary of the libido side effects,and altering hormones in general.
There hasn't been much regrowth ,but the hair had been gone a while when I started to use it.
But I continue to use it as there has been no further losses,from what I can tell.

I just keep an eye on my older brother to see what might be heading my way.He is a couple years older and his temples are way back so he has the M shape hairline,but no crown loss so our mother's sides genes must have won over our dad's who lost crown hair.

Try and see old pictures on both sides of your family to see what you might be in for!
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#27

Balding

Embrace it.

Shave your hair and grow out a beard.

There is no magic bullet for hair loss, especially if its hereditary. Don't poison your body with chemicals if you don't need to.
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#28

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Just to add to this discussion, I have been taking Propecia since 2007 pretty regularly. I did not notice the sexual side effects some of you guys mentioned in this thread. However, I am curious to read more so if you guys have more literature please post here.
I did notice that it made my hair thicker when I first started taking it. I could almost spike my hair up to a giant ffaux hawk when i wanted. However, the drug is expensive IMO. A 30 day supply cost me close to 45-60 bucks. I changed to a generic brand sold in India. It goes by Finpecia and costs $40 for a years supply.
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#29

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http://www.propeciasideeffects.com/

This a link bashing the drug. Again, I'd take things with a giant grain of salt.
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#30

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Quote: (03-01-2012 09:27 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

Embrace it.

Shave your hair and grow out a beard.

There is no magic bullet for hair loss, especially if its hereditary. Don't poison your body with chemicals if you don't need to.

I am partidary to the "embrace it" tradition to balding.

Best thing I ever did.

Saves me money on getting my hair cut, saves me time because I just do it myself.

But I consider myself lucky, as my skull has a good shape for that look, I don't look awkward with it.
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#31

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this isnt courtesty me, Im trying to keep hair away so I have the opposite problem but I remember reading this on one of the lifting forums I visit so when i saw this thread I thought maybe someone wanted to give it a shot, according to the initial poster his hairs growing back but it took about 4 months of consistant usage.

CHRONIC INFLAMMATION, HAIR LOSS, AND WHAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT


Chronic systemic inflammation has been found to at the root of many serious disorders, such as cardiovascular disease, asthma, arthritis, cancer, diabetes, depression and androgenetic alopecia. These “age related” disorders are accompanied by a pathological increase of inflammatory cytokines. Lowering pro-inflammatory cytokines, such as tumor necrosis factor –alpha, interleukin – 6, interleukin 1(B) and/or interleukin B4, could help prevent and treat many age related diseases. After several published studies, which showed that inflammation is present in androgenetic alopecia, MPB Research reported these important findings to readers, particularly stressing the need to address inflammation in any hair loss treatment approach, including our recommended protocol. Excessive levels of cytokines can be systemically and topically countered by an appropriate regimen of drugs, nutrients, dietary changes, and/or hormones. For example, fish oil has been shown to effectively lower these levels, as does DHEA, Nettle extract, GLA, and some antioxidants (vitamin E and N-acetyl cysteine). Meanwhile certain herbal extracts patented by Asian companies, Emu oil, copper peptides and ketoconazole can be used to topically partially inhibit cytokine formation. Following is an extensive analysis (in layman’s terms) that makes the connection between inflammation, and the “programmed cell death” of the hair follicle, a process known as “apoptosis”. It is partially based upon input from Waseda, a Japanese researcher who has been researching inflammation and androgenetic hair loss for many years. He has been able to initiate extensive hair regrowth after being a “slick bald” Norwood 5 for many years using an aggressive combination of therapies specifically designed to counter inflammation and an apoptosis factors.



TOWARDS A COMPREHENSIVE TREATMENT OF MPB

First we must recognize that hair loss is the consequence of hair cell apoptosis, or programmed cell death. Apoptosis is the final result of what is termed the caspase activation cascade. Essentially DHT, superoxide, and other free radicals damage the cell’s mitochondria, and the damaged mitochondria in turn vomits cytochrome C, which activates the caspase 9 cascade. TGF-beta and alpha activate caspase 9 around hair follicles. The activated caspase 9 propagates downstream into caspase 3. Activation of caspase 3 is thought to be a direct cause of cell apoptosis (programmed cell death) in general. What then causes a caspase activation cascade and how can one intervene in the context of hair loss?
protein Kinase C (PKC) as an executor of apoptosis PKC isozymes are involved in the final execution of hair cell apoptosis in relation to caspase 3. What are good inhibitors of PKC? Cycloporin (dangerous), Grape Seed Extract, Resveratrol (as in red wine), Vitamin E, and N-Acetyl Cysteine. Topically, Grape Seed Extract (a patented treatment for hair loss), and Perilla Leaf Extract.
Tumor Necrosis Factor Alpha (TNF-a) as a promotor of PKC and hair cell apoptosis. TNF-a induces the PKC isozymes and causes cell death through this induction. This pathway is known to be a major cause of hair loss. TNF-a is a quick acting proinflammatory cytokine, and TNF-a is over secreted in cases of rapid hair loss. How can TNF-a be safely inhibited? Ginkgo Biloba Extract, Stinging Nettle Extract, Green Tea Extract, and essential fatty acids found in fish, Emu, Borage, and Perilla oils. Topically, Perilla leaf extract may be useful.
TGF-Family as the bridge between DHT and the activation of the caspase cascade. In recent studies researchers have found DHT promotes TGF, and TGF causes activation of the caspase cascade and thus, hair cell death, which clinically manifests as male and female pattern baldness. What inhibits TGH safely, as opposed to the dangerous anti-cancer compounds? Proteolytic Enzymes such as a bromelain, and the anti-oxidant Curcumin are TGF inhibitors. Shiseido, a Japanese cosmetic company found that Amacha, a sugar alternative found in the orient has TGF inhibition properties. Dr. Sawaya’s latest study about finasteride suggests that the best hair loss prevention would involve the blocking of caspase activation, especially caspase 3. Caspase 3 is the direct cause of programmed hair cell death (apoptosis) that originates “upstream”. The first triggers may be DHT damage or oxidative (free radical) stress on the mitochondria, TGF induction from DHT, TNF-A induction from allergic inflammation, or PKC upregulation by caspase activation. Here we can summarize the rationale behind the treatments of various pro-inflammatory mechanisms.

DHT inhibition- Finasteride, Saw Palmetto, Rivoflavin, Green Tea Extract, Copper, Peptides, and Topical Bayberry Extract.

PKC down regulation - Grape Seed Extract, Resveratrol, Vitamin E, soy Isoflavones.

TNF-a down regulation- Curcumin, Ginkgo Biloba Extract, Stinging Nettle Extract, Green Tea Extract, Fish Oil, Borage Oil, Perilla Oil, and Topical Perilla leaf extract.

TGF down regulation- Curcumin, and topical Amacha.

Taking into account the inhibition of hair apoptosis factors, it is apparent that treatment can be taken to a new level. Again, Waseda himself is experiencing regrowth in all areas of his scalp after being a slick bald “Norwood 5” for many years.


One thing to add is that with the above regime I also load up on anti oxidants in these forms, a acai, mangosteen goji concentrate, greens plus, ekclonia kava (fibroboost) Vitamin e, and a good multivitamin.

this is his regimen

Internal
2oz Life Time Noni, Mangosteen, Goji, Acai blend
4 servings daily Now Foods Greens Super food
400mg Doctor's best Fibro boost (Ecklonia Kava)
1ml Natrol Biosil
3 tabs Country Life Maxi Hair
4 Caps Now Foods Foti He Shou Wu
3g Borage Oil
3g Fish Oil
3g Perilla Oil
800mg Resveratrol
4g Curcumin C3 with Bioprine
4 caps Doctors best Chrondriton, msm, glucosamine
5 tabs folic acid
3 caps Now Foods GliSODin

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Topicals
4ml Pola Growing Shot S
Topical Caffein (caffeine added to my shampoos)
Topical Emu oil or borage oil
Topical resveratrol 3ml
Nano Shampoo/ Nioxin/ Nizoral
Topical Spirnolactone Dr. Lee's 5% formula
Proxiphen


I also use a derma roller 1mm daily and alternate which topical I use post rolling then cover that alchohol based topical with emu oil or topical borage oil
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#32

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Bumping this thread, I'm in my late twenties now and am completely bald on top (been losing it for quite a while) which really gets me down since it makes me look much older inspite of me keeping it shaved and myself being in good shape. I am looking into getting this treatment done and was wondering if anyone has it done or any opinions on this.

http://www.hishairclinic.com/

My main concerns about this is how it will look 10-15 years down the line but I feel if I can make it till my forties with this look and it fades away I should be fine. Thoughts ?
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#33

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Looks good on some of those guys on the videos i looked up on youtube. The guys it looked good on already looked good with a shaved head. Some people look better bald then others.

Its permanent so if you get it you wont ever be able to shave your head like Stone Cold Steve Austin

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#34

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Quote: (04-26-2012 08:12 AM)ninja26 Wrote:  

Bumping this thread, I'm in my late twenties now and am completely bald on top (been losing it for quite a while) which really gets me down since it makes me look much older inspite of me keeping it shaved and myself being in good shape. I am looking into getting this treatment done and was wondering if anyone has it done or any opinions on this.

http://www.hishairclinic.com/

My main concerns about this is how it will look 10-15 years down the line but I feel if I can make it till my forties with this look and it fades away I should be fine. Thoughts ?

I feel your pain my man. Began receding in my early twenties and now at 37 I'm perfectly bald on top,shit happens! It used to get me down a lot as I looked older then I was. It's harsh when someone would see you without a cap for the first time and say "oh, you look so different without a hat" which translates as 'oh,you're not half as attractive without a hat on'. I used to obsess about my hair loss,brush it in different styles to cover the loss up all kinds of stuff. Then as it got worse I looked into transplants but decided not to for cost reasons and the fact that it will never look as good as you want. Then 2 years back I decided to fuck it and shave the hair down to a grade one. It's quite liberating to be honest and you don't think about it as much as you do when trying to hide it. Unfortunately I don't have a decent head shape for the bald look,I have a long face anyway and so with the shaved head and a high forehead I look way way worse then I would with hair but you know what that don't get me down,I just use that to improve myself in other controllable areas: I work out,I have braces on my teeth so that they will be perfect in a short while,I wear stylish fitted clothes,I work on my game. And the good thing is that I still get laid with good looking women because of it.

I know how hard it can be to lose your hair,I've cursed the world and my genes for the injustice that I got MPB whilst some total mofo's like Hitler and Stalin didn't : ) But don't let it get you down as it's only hair and nobody really gives a fuck except you. Girls shit test me on it sometimes but I just smile and ask if they wouldn't mind polishing it back in my bedroom with me,then it's over and done with and we move on. Don't rely on things like Toppik or hats because you're simply gaining a crutch that will be almost impossible to let go off. Just shave it down and look at the positives that you're healthy and have other shit going for you. There are plenty of people with hair sitting at home depressed about not getting laid or never leading a full life. I'm bald but earlier this week I was driving a drop top Mercedes along the Cote d'Azur coast to Monaco with a hot Russian girl by my side. Bald but winning!

As for HIS: yeah discovered this concept recently. At first when I saw the videos I thought "damn that looks good!" but after thinking about it for a few weeks I have a few concerns and doubts:
1. It's only good if you want the totally shaved look i.e to the skin. That look is a bit too severe for me and does not suit me. I prefer a grade one.
2. Whilst it's good for covering transplant scars, for frontal hairline I'm not so sure. I've seen people who said that when they had the consultation they were disappointed with the results they saw in person.
3. The biggest minus is nobody knows what will happen to it long term. The ink could bleed,will definitely lighten and need re-touching which means $$$ every year or two. They say that it's easy to remove by laser but where is the evidence in photographic form? If it bleeds and you've had the hairline done you'd be worse off then being bald. I know the owner of the clinic had his done 10 years back but what has he failed to report about touch ups etc?

Overall I'd say wait until more people are doing it and the technique is better,maybe another year or two. Their forum is all positive but let's wait till we hear the bad side from people who had it done in the near future then consider it. Nothing wrong with going for the free consultation though and seeing it in person,you might think it looks blinding close up.
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#35

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I'm in my mid 20s and my hair is getting super super thin... I can still pull off a normal young guy haircut but pretty soon I think I will have a bald spot and already people can tell it's thin... Sad... Been using rogaine but don't know if it has slowed what would have otherwise been faster balding or done nothing at all.. Propecia... I guess I could look into that again but it's really expensive to take it for the rest of your life... Damnit
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#36

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Quote: (04-27-2012 08:40 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

improve myself in other controllable areas: I work out,I have braces on my teeth so that they will be perfect in a short while,I wear stylish fitted clothes,I work on my game. And the good thing is that I still get laid with good looking women because of it.

This is the solution to baldness, right here. Good game, style and being in shape will put you head and shoulders above almost all guys your age who still have a full head of hair.
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#37

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/201...095011.htm

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ScienceDaily (Apr. 18, 2012) — Research group headed by Professor Takashi Tsuji demonstrates regenerating "functional hair regeneration from adult stem cells" Substantial advance in the development of next-generation of "organ replacement regenerative therapies"
Organ replacement regenerative therapy is purported to enable the replacement of organs damaged by disease, injury or aging in the foreseeable future. A research group led by Professor Takashi Tsuji (Professor in the Research Institute for Science and Technology, Tokyo University of Science, and Director of Organ Technologies Inc.) has provided a proof-of-concept for bioengineered organ replacement as a next stage of regenerative therapy.
Reporting in Nature Communications the group demonstrate that bioengineered hair follicle germ reconstructed from adult epithelial stem cells and dermal papilla cells can regenerate fully functional hair follicle and hair growth. Their bioengineered follicles showed restored hair cycles and piloerection through the rearrangement of follicular stem cells and their niches. The bioengineered hair follicle also developed the correct structures and formed proper connections with surrounding host tissues such as the epidermis, arrector pili muscle and nerve fibers.
This study thus reveals the potential applications of adult tissue-derived follicular stem cells as a bioengineered organ replacement therapy.
This was collaborative research with Lecturer Tarou Irié and Professor emertius Tetsuhiko Tachikawa (Department of Oral Pathology, Showa University School of Dentistry, Japan), Professor Akio Sato (Department Regenerative Medicine, Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, Kitasato University School of Medicine, Japan) and Associate Professor Akira Takeda (Department of Plastic and Aesthetic Surgery, Kitasato University School of Medicine, Japan).
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