[felix_vagabondo]

(05-15-2019 11:12 AM)heavy Wrote:  

Quote:

[...]I had to take a broomstick to pry her jaws open to get the dead squirrel out of her mouth[...]

That guy clearly doesn't know much about dogs.

Do not attempt to rip something out of its mouth.

It's stronger than you and you might get bit.

Plus it teaches the dog to contend with you.

That's why tug-of-war is a terrible game for a dog.

It's the exact opposite of what you want,

which is for the dog to anticipate the desires of its owner.

You have to make him give it to you.

Use treats.

Its alot like gaming a woman.

You give her a compliment when she does a behavior that pleases you.

Treats are like compliments.

Put something tasty in front of him and he'll open his mouth--and drop whatever he's holding--to taste it

Gotta have treats when you're training a dog.

But that's not what the person quoted was doing.

He was just fucking around with it.

That's the kind of shit people get bit doing...

And then blame it on the dog.

[TigerMandingo]

Most people cannot be trusted to be responsible owners, hence the call for a ban. I don't see why some guys are losing their shit over this. It's a very reasonable position.

[felix_vagabondo]

(05-15-2019 08:01 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Most people cannot be trusted to be responsible owners, hence the call for a ban. I don't see why some guys are losing their shit over this. It's a very reasonable position.

It would make sense to require a Dog Ownership 101 class to get permit to own an historically "Fighting" breed.

But municipalities have bigger fish to fry.

[Repo]

(05-15-2019 08:01 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Most people cannot be trusted to be responsible owners, hence the call for a ban. I don't see why some guys are losing their shit over this. It's a very reasonable position.

As long as you realize this is the same argument against guns. And both are used for home defences.

[TigerMandingo]

(05-15-2019 08:17 PM)Repo Wrote:  

As long as you realize this is the same argument against guns. And both are used for home defences.

I get that. I happen to be pro-gun control as well, which I realize isn't popular around here, but that's a topic for another day.

[pitbullowner]

(05-15-2019 08:12 PM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 08:01 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Most people cannot be trusted to be responsible owners, hence the call for a ban. I don't see why some guys are losing their shit over this. It's a very reasonable position.

It would make sense to require a Dog Ownership 101 class to get permit to own an historically "Fighting" breed.

But municipalities have bigger fish to fry.

Pretty much this. Never had a problem out of the dozens of dobermans, AmStaffs, German Shepherd, or Rottweiler breeds I've trained over the years. Poodles and dalmatians, and herding breeds have been the most difficult to train. If you're trying to get bit, attempting to force something out of a dogs mouth is the best way to do it.

[ShotgunUppercuts]

Cousin had a blue nosed pit that looked like it just jumped out the flames of hell. Had lots of energy and was sweet as hell.


That is all.

[Fender_Bender]

Started writing and figured I should just repost my writeup on pit bulls from the "Female Herd Mentality Items" thread .

(05-27-2016 02:12 PM)Fender_Bender Wrote:  



Ahhh…girls with dogs, especially pit bulls. Front and center in their dating profiles, kissing them on the mouth. Clearly the not-so-subtle transition away from cat lady-dom now that the term has become so mainstream and subject to derision. At least in my mid-sized city full of hipsters I see them everywhere. Hulking, muscular, undisciplined alpha type dogs dragging 100 pound tattooed hipster girls around giving nasty looks to other dogs (or people) they cross. A four legged powder keg scenario in which the vast majority of the time, the dog thinks it’s the one calling the shots (and it’s correct).

Is there really any better analog to women’s undying love for uncontrollable alpha badboys than the “rescue pit bull” phenomenon? It reminds one of the women who work in the prison system that end up fucking the (many times violent) inmates. “They’re so misunderstood, they just need love, I can save and change them!” At risk of a massive derail onto the issue of pit bulls and potentially dog-aggressive breeds, the parallels are uncanny. It’s the thuggish-badboy boyfriend that can’t leave her.

Generally speaking, here is a dog breed known for its history of selective breeding for dog aggression, that requires serious discipline and training from an owner with the proper confidence and dominance to exert Alpha status over the dog. The dog craves it, or else it becomes unstable. Out walking around in my city I see it constantly…skinny clueless tatted up women being pulled by their menacing looking large dogs that they clearly have no control over. It’s one thing when it’s a little rat dog that shits and pisses inside and barks all the time. It’s another thing when it’s a large dog capable of serious violence. Especially when their shitty owner leaves it in a ratty apartment 23 hours a day, building up nervous energy that aches to come out when it finally gets to go for a walk.

Don’t get me started on girls kissing their dogs on the mouth. I’m not squeamish, I generally love dogs and don’t mind if they lick my hands/legs/even face occasionally if they get a sneaky one in but the mouth-to-mouth shit is revolting. I don’t want your dog’s sloppy seconds because I don’t know if his favorite foods include your used tampons, the neighbor’s cat’s shit, or last week’s leftovers out of the trashcan.

I think for a lot of women dogs are just another status symbol, an afterthought like a handbag or new pair of shoes. Something to include behind you in all your car selfies, to love you no matter how fucked up you are, how completely out of touch with your natural femininity you are to the point where you are infantilizing and personifying a four legged animal because you’ve ridden the carousel too long, absorbed the progressive propaganda and see the “childfree” life as the pinnacle of modern women’s achievement. Most of these women are projecting their own innate desires to mother children, to mother something, on these poor dogs. And like most single mothers, they do a shit job and raise dysfunctional, psychologically damaged and at times violent “children.”

Don't think they should be genocided altogether...but something has to be done to limit them and stop encouraging people to have them. Shelters are flooded with them and in desperation to get them adopted they try to mask them as "x-breed mix." They can be downright dangerous, and it's stupid to pretend otherwise, or worse, promote them ("don't bully my breed") with propaganda and fabricate a gentle "clean slate" narrative for them as if genetics and historic purpose has no influence.

[TravelingBodybuilder]

What an ignorant thread.... Pit Bulls are not the problem. The problem are MUTTS that look like pit bulls that are attacking people.
99% of all "pit bull attacks" are MUTTS.
They are not real Pit Bulls.

Also the retards that own these mutts.

The sad part, is even these so called Pit Bull advocates dont even own real Pit Bulls which confuses people even more.

You want the truth? It is normal for Pit Bulls to want to fight another animal. Their name is PITbull. They were bred for dogfighting. Not only that but these animals ENJOY it.

Just like a herding dog enjoys to herd, there is no training involved.

All this bullshit that i read about giving dogs gun powder ot make em fight is all bullshit. Thats like giving a professional UFC fighter gun powder before a fight. WTF.

But I am not going to turn this into a dogfighting thread.


I'm just saying Pit Bulls need a responsible owner and the owner needs to accept that these love to fight other animals. And it is WRONG to punish them for doing what their insticts are. Which is where most people go wrong, by taking their Pit Bull to a dog park. If you want an animal that gets along with other animals, buy a lab. It is like punishing a dog for going after a ball. It is their instict and it should not be done.




That being said, human aggression? No these dogs are no more human aggressive than any other breed. When two dogs are in the pit fighting, if they bite a referee or anyone that is an automatic loss. I have been around these dogs all my life. They are not the monsters that are portriated by the media. 99.9% of all these pit bull dog attacks are fucking mutts. Or people owning breeds that are Pit Bulls that have no fucking clue what they were actually bred to do.


If you are a responsible owner that knows the history of these dogs, and knows proper containment, and knows how to keep your dog on a leash, and away from other animals, and if you enjoy a loving, smart, obedient affectionate dog with energy to play .. Then a pit bull is for you.


Also I do NOT condone dogfighting, but I know the breed's history and know that it is what they bred and love to do.
Human aggression is NOT the same as animal aggression.

If you are a responsible owner, you know better to let your pit bull offleash around other dogs. It all comes down to the owner being responsible enough to contain his dog. But Pit bulls mauling babies and other humans? wtf? Only dumb shits this happens to.


https://www.dogster.com/the-scoop/find-t...-bull-game

https://center.babygaga.com/t-893435/fin...-game.html

(05-15-2019 09:25 PM)Fender_Bender Wrote:  

Started writing and figured I should just repost my writeup on pit bulls from the "Female Herd Mentality Items" thread .

(05-27-2016 02:12 PM)Fender_Bender Wrote:  



Ahhh…girls with dogs, especially pit bulls. Front and center in their dating profiles, kissing them on the mouth. Clearly the not-so-subtle transition away from cat lady-dom now that the term has become so mainstream and subject to derision. At least in my mid-sized city full of hipsters I see them everywhere. Hulking, muscular, undisciplined alpha type dogs dragging 100 pound tattooed hipster girls around giving nasty looks to other dogs (or people) they cross. A four legged powder keg scenario in which the vast majority of the time, the dog thinks it’s the one calling the shots (and it’s correct).

Is there really any better analog to women’s undying love for uncontrollable alpha badboys than the “rescue pit bull” phenomenon? It reminds one of the women who work in the prison system that end up fucking the (many times violent) inmates. “They’re so misunderstood, they just need love, I can save and change them!” At risk of a massive derail onto the issue of pit bulls and potentially dog-aggressive breeds, the parallels are uncanny. It’s the thuggish-badboy boyfriend that can’t leave her.

Generally speaking, here is a dog breed known for its history of selective breeding for dog aggression, that requires serious discipline and training from an owner with the proper confidence and dominance to exert Alpha status over the dog. The dog craves it, or else it becomes unstable. Out walking around in my city I see it constantly…skinny clueless tatted up women being pulled by their menacing looking large dogs that they clearly have no control over. It’s one thing when it’s a little rat dog that shits and pisses inside and barks all the time. It’s another thing when it’s a large dog capable of serious violence. Especially when their shitty owner leaves it in a ratty apartment 23 hours a day, building up nervous energy that aches to come out when it finally gets to go for a walk.

Don’t get me started on girls kissing their dogs on the mouth. I’m not squeamish, I generally love dogs and don’t mind if they lick my hands/legs/even face occasionally if they get a sneaky one in but the mouth-to-mouth shit is revolting. I don’t want your dog’s sloppy seconds because I don’t know if his favorite foods include your used tampons, the neighbor’s cat’s shit, or last week’s leftovers out of the trashcan.

I think for a lot of women dogs are just another status symbol, an afterthought like a handbag or new pair of shoes. Something to include behind you in all your car selfies, to love you no matter how fucked up you are, how completely out of touch with your natural femininity you are to the point where you are infantilizing and personifying a four legged animal because you’ve ridden the carousel too long, absorbed the progressive propaganda and see the “childfree” life as the pinnacle of modern women’s achievement. Most of these women are projecting their own innate desires to mother children, to mother something, on these poor dogs. And like most single mothers, they do a shit job and raise dysfunctional, psychologically damaged and at times violent “children.”

Don't think they should be genocided altogether...but something has to be done to limit them and stop encouraging people to have them. Shelters are flooded with them and in desperation to get them adopted they try to mask them as "x-breed mix." They can be downright dangerous, and it's stupid to pretend otherwise, or worse, promote them ("don't bully my breed") with propaganda and fabricate a gentle "clean slate" narrative for them as if genetics and historic purpose has no influence.

Those dogs in the picture are a perfect example of mutts being labeled as pit bulls... which confuses people even more when they see breeds that look like these attack people.


Real pitbulls dont attack humans anymore than any other breed. I find them very affectionate. The problem is that these unstable mixed breeds are being labeled as pit bulls because people know the the real name of them. They just call them pit bulls.



a real american pit bull terrier
------

note the difference between this ^



a mutt labeled as a pit bull.




Again I do NOT condone dog fighting but it is part of the breed's history and you need to be a responsible pit bull owner. Pretending like these dogs are loving to other animals is also bullshit and part of the problem of some of these so called pit bull advocates. Spreading lies about how they love other animals and causing issues . You will NOT train a dog that was bred for decades for dogfighting . Thats why there are different breeds , you cant train a dog to do whatever you want to do. Otherwise there would be no point in dog breed's just get any dog and train it how you want... But to say Pit Bulls are anymore human aggressive than any other dog breed is bullshit. These dogs are very loving towards humans. But they are not for everyone mainly due to the animal aggression. But human aggresive? Hell no. These dogs love humans. They are very affectionate. I am talking about real pit bulls. Not these mixed breed mutts that are unstable.


Also a lot of dog attacks dont even make the headlines... The news just loves to share mixed breed mutt dog attacks that look similar to pit bulls with the news because it is more of an exciting title.

You cant believe everything you read about the media. They always twist shit.

[wi30]

(05-15-2019 03:43 PM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

wi30, the behaviors you describe would indicate that you have a poorly-trained animal who believes that your wife is subordinate to the dog.

My cattle dog mix can balance 3 empty beer cans stacked on her head but yeah, she's poorly-trained.

[Zep]

The state should have a potential owner go through mandatory training and a test to acquire a license to own a Pitbull. Much like mandatory training to drive a car.

[Kona]

(05-15-2019 10:01 PM)wi30 Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 03:43 PM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

wi30, the behaviors you describe would indicate that you have a poorly-trained animal who believes that your wife is subordinate to the dog.

My cattle dog mix can balance 3 empty beer cans stacked on her head but yeah, she's poorly-trained.

How many beers can your wife's head handle?

Aloha!

[Ocelot]

(05-15-2019 05:57 AM)VNvet Wrote:  

The mainstream opinion is that the owners cause the violence... by being violent?

That's not true. Some pitbulls are never violent and don't fight. Dogfighters kill those dogs. Dogfighters specifically pick the most violent and savage dogs. Those dogs require the most violence and savageness to keep in line, which is why the dogs aren't an issue for their owner.

It's mostly nature, not nurture, with dogs.

All right lads, that can work both ways—it's time to get to genetically engineering less murderous pibbles. I figure it's just a matter of starting with a decent-sized breeding pool, and selectively culling the most violent 50% each generation. How hard can it be right?

A proposed working name for this new prototype breed: pitcucks. Within 5 generations, the dogs will actually be so pacified they'd rather watch liveleak videos of other dogs biting children than do it themselves. Let's get to it.

[Leonard D Neubache]

With a suitably engineered intra-pitbull war and soy-based dog chow I can manage that in two generations.

[felix_vagabondo]

(05-15-2019 10:01 PM)wi30 Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 03:43 PM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

wi30, the behaviors you describe would indicate that you have a poorly-trained animal who believes that your wife is subordinate to the dog.

My cattle dog mix can balance 3 empty beer cans stacked on her head but yeah, she's poorly-trained.

Impressive.


And I can type 80 WPM

That doesn't make me a stenographer.


Denials of responsibility when your dog doesn't obey your wife's commands...

or claims like "my dog is very disciplined...

"...she only needs to be periodically restrained...

"...she only bites when she feels threatened..."

...and the like

Are definitely signs of an owner who is

a total jackass because he maintains an undisciplined animal

that ignores his wife's commands

...and isn't willing to admit it to himself.

I've met people like this, who make excuses for their poorly behaved animals

And it makes me feel... like Batman in this meme:



Seriously, I've seen this in many a dog owner--the willing denial of the fact that their dog is a public nuisance

Dogs should not be allowed to make decisions for human beings, let alone the wives of their owners.

If your wife wants to fight you, the dog as a subordinate has no right to intervene.

The dog must respect and revere its owner and his family, as if the dog's life depended on it

(which it actually does)

[Bizet]

Yes

[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-16-2019 02:00 AM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 10:01 PM)wi30 Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 03:43 PM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

wi30, the behaviors you describe would indicate that you have a poorly-trained animal who believes that your wife is subordinate to the dog.

My cattle dog mix can balance 3 empty beer cans stacked on her head but yeah, she's poorly-trained.

Impressive.


And I can type 80 WPM

That doesn't make me a stenographer.


Denials of responsibility when your dog doesn't obey your wife's commands...

or claims like "my dog is very disciplined...

"...she only needs to be periodically restrained...

"...she only bites when she feels threatened..."

...and the like

Are definitely signs of an owner who is

a total jackass because he maintains an undisciplined animal

that ignores his wife's commands

...and isn't willing to admit it to himself.

I've met people like this, who make excuses for their poorly behaved animals

And it makes me feel... like Batman in this meme:

Seriously, I've seen this in many a dog owner--the willing denial of the fact that their dog is a public nuisance

Dogs should not be allowed to make decisions for human beings, let alone the wives of their owners.

If your wife wants to fight you, the dog as a subordinate has no right to intervene.

The dog must respect and revere its owner and his family, as if the dog's life depended on it

(which it actually does)

Why do you construct posts in such a retarded way?

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Here is the problem with the manosphere. Instead of complaining about stuff, we should try to capitalize on it.

I'll bet if someone wrote a series of romance novels with a pitbull, not a man, as the woman's protector, partner and "hero," they would make millions.

These novels don't have explicit sex, but feature lots of innuendo and description -- so I'm not suggesting anything perverse. But if the overriding theme was "Men let her down, but Man's Best Friend did her right!" you would have females panting and salivating.

[felix_vagabondo]

(05-16-2019 03:50 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Why do you construct posts in such a retarded way?

Damn!

Gotta be on top of my game here-- what with the stylistic critique of Leonard D Neubache on offer.

[nomadbrah]

(05-15-2019 08:17 PM)Repo Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 08:01 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Most people cannot be trusted to be responsible owners, hence the call for a ban. I don't see why some guys are losing their shit over this. It's a very reasonable position.

As long as you realize this is the same argument against guns. And both are used for home defences.

No, it is absolutely not the same argument as against guns.

A dog is a living creature with an ability to act without external influence. A gun does not.

Pitbulls always bring out the people with issues. There's just no reason to want a pitbull except as a means of propping up your insecurity or sadism. It's also why people react so strongly when people critize their dogs. They take it as an attack on themselves. The pitbull, the unfairly villyfied literal underdog, who has a heart of gold, but just so "happens" to lash out in violent actions. Yeah, show me your dog and I'll tell you who you are.

[rudebwoy]

Yes

[kaotic]

(05-15-2019 07:32 PM)Repo Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 07:25 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 11:59 AM)VNvet Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 11:02 AM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

You guys that talk about banning certain breeds of dogs all sound like faggots, you go on about 1A and 2A but you want to ban a dog? They are "assault dogs" now I guess.

Gangs of AR-15's don't roam the street trying to kill people.

Dumb comparison.

Gangs of them roam the streets looking to kill people?

I didn't realize how many people on here seem to be scared of dogs.

At this point I think pit bulls are a euphemism for something else. . .

And this is a real article:

https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-an...nine-world

[Huey]

(05-15-2019 07:32 PM)Repo Wrote:  

At this point I think pit bulls are a euphemism for something else. . .

It most certainly is.

The video in its entirety is worth watching because he debunks many arguments being made in this thread and elsewhere, but concerning your point, start from 19:30.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

(05-16-2019 02:00 AM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 10:01 PM)wi30 Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 03:43 PM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

wi30, the behaviors you describe would indicate that you have a poorly-trained animal who believes that your wife is subordinate to the dog.

My cattle dog mix can balance 3 empty beer cans stacked on her head but yeah, she's poorly-trained.

Impressive.


And I can type 80 WPM

That doesn't make me a stenographer.


Denials of responsibility when your dog doesn't obey your wife's commands...

or claims like "my dog is very disciplined...

"...she only needs to be periodically restrained...

"...she only bites when she feels threatened..."

...and the like

Are definitely signs of an owner who is

a total jackass because he maintains an undisciplined animal

that ignores his wife's commands

...and isn't willing to admit it to himself.

I've met people like this, who make excuses for their poorly behaved animals

And it makes me feel... like Batman in this meme:



Seriously, I've seen this in many a dog owner--the willing denial of the fact that their dog is a public nuisance

Dogs should not be allowed to make decisions for human beings, let alone the wives of their owners.

If your wife wants to fight you, the dog as a subordinate has no right to intervene.

The dog must respect and revere its owner and his family, as if the dog's life depended on it

(which it actually does)

This may be a little harsh toward wi30, but that meme is funny as hell!

[Corinth Arkadin]

(05-14-2019 07:46 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

"She still keeps it because it's a "sweetheart". It's also more alpha than any guy she has ever dated. She has taken on the role of a battered housewife by keeping this dog."

Haha, insightful sentence. It reminds me why I miss the Heartiste blog.

About five years ago he wrote a hilariously true post on this subject. He compared the women "rescuing" these dogs to the women who date dangerous criminal bad boys with the intent of "saving" them. In both cases, he noted, they usually got the same disastrous results.

When I was on Facebook, I knew someone whose mother owned a pitbull that kept attacking her. One time it tore off part of the mom's lip. What did the mom do? She kept posting pictures on Facebook of her with a bandaged lip looking all sad and forlorn. And, of course, she got lots of sympathy from the Facebook idiot crowd.

Clearly, these women get off on violence and being victimized. If your cousin didn't have the pitbull, she'd probably be harboring a felon, so be lucky you only got bitten when you visited, not stabbed and robbed.

CH was right on the money with that. He didn't outright say that pit bulls should be genocided, and as I remember it he didn't say he outright hated them, but he indicated that pit pulls were a trashy breed and the type of person who had pit bulls were trash people.

I agree.