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05-06-2019, 01:50 PM
I know what so many will want to say "looks are not that important", "leagues don't exist", "it's all about confidence".
Because of that, I'd like to hear from the guys who are actually successful while doing daygame despite being below-average.
It would be super helpful if you guys could tell us what method you are using (Direct/Indirect/Just wing it) and other information you think is relevant.
The other motivation for my question is that I keep in touch with a few wings in NY and I've met zero non-handsome successful guys. On the other hand, I've met plenty of guys who try really hard and get nothing.
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05-06-2019, 05:00 PM
A 5 guy won’t be able to get in a relationship with a 10 woman. You can get some crazy examples but those are exceptions.
And your rating is relative. Go to Thailand and your rating goes from 5 (average in US) to 9. You’ll be “tall” at 5’9, rich if you make $24k/y, endowed if you have more than 4 inches, etc.
Game is not a magic pill. It increases your value. Same for many other things.
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05-06-2019, 05:50 PM
First you need to define what is success .
I think game helps you to lift slight above your weight . Male 5 would date female 6-7 with a game .
Here’s my experience ;
I am 5’6” , 32 years old male , Arab living in south USA , 146 lb, 16% body fat , top 5% in style in my city and Relative new to the game . I won’t say I am killing it , but I will list the cases where women hit on me on public :
1- 26 yo, 6, Syrian American
2- 36 yo, Nigerian , gym rat, great body
3- 28 yo Mexican-American , 6
4- 24 Colombian American , 6
Those are the ones who blatantly hit on me . They talked to me . But I fucked it up as usual lol.
My word of advice to you game does work .
I mean both external and internal game . Work on your appearance and so your skills .
You won’t fuck 10 every day but you will have decent success . I would be much more successful if I were or I were American not immigrant.
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05-07-2019, 08:48 AM
Here we go again with this 'looks vs game' discussion.
Can you newbies try to use the search function. This has been discussed meaninfully and to death on the forum.
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05-07-2019, 04:47 PM
OP based on your description, I salute you for being able to get any girls.
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05-08-2019, 10:59 AM
Game with a capital G, removes the dictatorial power of choice froma chick and gives it to the man . Assuming you have your basics tight, how do you use game? Think of a woman as a bulb, hit the right emotional switch(her feelings) at the right time in the right way, she goes lights on and follows you to the condo. Hit the wrong switch, or some shit that'd make Casanova cringe, she blows up in your face or gives you a fake number. Game is a man's emotional power over women to get them to do his bidding (assuming the basics of his life are in order). Looks or Game? Give me Game, anyday, anytime
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05-08-2019, 12:18 PM
Honestly, day game for me (rating me I'm probably a 4, maybe a 4.5 as I've lost some weight) and day game has drastically improved for me. Women actually approach me unlike online game where I always have to make the approach and once my ugly mug is shown they hit the block button.
I've recently done a "Your pic first." policy first online. Really weeds out the bitches, which is about 99%.
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05-08-2019, 12:23 PM
I'm not ugly, whatever that might mean with respect to men so i may not qualify as per your stated criterium. Ugly is a relative term for women. That being said, I'm certainly not handsome but I bag the chicks I want by the dozen. Not all the time, but enough of the time to leave me feeling like the real deal. How I learnt it is how I do it and its how I detailed as above cos I see it works. War stories coming soon.
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05-08-2019, 10:52 PM
Depends what you call success?
1/50? 1/100? 1/150? Approach to lay. And with what calibre of woman and also relative to you?
I am a 6 at best in Eastern Europe (5 at best in the west) after maxing out my looks (though I feel I still have a way to go game wise). I score 1/200-1/300 here. Take me to Mexico or Brazil and it ranges from 1/20 to 1/60 respectively. You could argue I am a 7 there. To me personally achieving 1/50 with girls who are 6-7s with the very occasional 8 is the best a guy with my genetics could expect to achieve given his appearance and game is fully maxed out.
My 2 cents
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05-08-2019, 11:52 PM
As a 4/10 I really dont bother with daygame. I think if you 6+ or your getting IOIs then it's worth the effort, otherwise save your energy for nightgame.
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05-09-2019, 04:05 AM
I wouldn't recommend daygame to anyone who is average or under average looking, unless you want to grind 100s of sets for a single bang
I'm easily above average looking and daygame is still a grind, probably takes me 100 approaches to get laid with a girl 0.5-1 point under my looks. Initial reactions are good but getting them out after is not so easy, my game is low intermediate though.
I've seen avg / under avg people approach and the reactions they get are absolutely abhorrent, you can see the disgust appear on their faces after 0.1 second, a direct response from the limbic system.
Also JFL if u believe guys get approached. I've probably done around 1000 sets and have been approached maybe 5 times, for directions
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05-09-2019, 05:44 AM
Well how would you guys rate Krauser lookswise? He obviously does very well with his elite level game.
I would say I’m en par or maybe a bit worse than him lookswise yet massively underperform in comparison so surely it must be game that is sorely lacking rather than solely looks
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05-09-2019, 08:34 PM
I haven't watched allot of Krauser but from what I've seen/heard he mostly spends time in EE/FSU, which is nothing like SEA in regards to the ease of pulling women. I also wouldn't say places like Croatia, Czech Republic, Poland, Russia etc are 3rd world.
You absolutely need some game to get laid with decent girls in EE. I understand why guys would say its easier than say the UK because the girls are usually much nicer and obviously hotter so you have way more targets.
Personally I would find it very difficult to get into dating British girls again after dating a number of girls from EE/FSU. So I totally get why Krauser and allot of PUA's are located in EE. More bang for your buck.