[tatted-mormon]

(02-02-2019 10:05 AM)semibaron Wrote:  

(01-30-2019 10:10 PM)wellrockthecity Wrote:  

Avoid Medellin if your Spanish is not on point.

All the gringos I have seen around with no spanish skills are always hanging out with hot prepagos or ugly girls that no decent local would like to be seen with.

As someone said you need to blend with the locals and if you dont speak fluent Spanish and are here only for a short period of time you will be labelled as a sex tourist or someone that can be taken advantage of since you are just passing by.

I speak the language, have a good cover up story on being here long term, I am not American and I still get tested a lot from girls that wants to understand if im just another foreigner stopping by a few months only to bang girls. The higher the quality of the girl and the more you gona be tested as they have a lot of decent locals chasing them, so you really have to bring something to the table.

Even though its a big city a lot of people know each other, especially if you are going to hang out in the upper class places like Provenza, Palmas etc. you gona bump into the same people over and over. And those girls dont want to be seen by their friends with a stinky gringo that is in the city for a couple of months. Reputation its really important in those estratos.

I have recently got close to a girl from my gym, not banging her, and when she invites me to parties or hang out with her friends I can notice that girls trust me a lot more since my friend is kind of vouching for me. You just get another reception when people see that you are here long term and have paisas friends.

If you want to go for the lower class girls the above is probably not important as you will be seen more as an opportunity to escape poverty (at least for a couple of weeks at least). Be aware that quality is gona definitely be lower and you increase risk of something bad happening, being played etc. Tinder and daygame outside Poblado/Envigado would be your best bet then.

I dont want to discourage you from visiting the place since its a great city but I see a lot of posts from people in this forum, especially new guys, that are overoptimistic about the reality on the ground.

I'm currently in Medellin and have met some RVF guys. Wellrockthecity is the only one I've seen so far pulling quality. At least 3 out of 4 guys rely on Tinder.

I myself get numbers from good girls, but in most cases it does lead nowhere. Staying here and having a social circle would make Medellin a total different place. More so than in other Latin American cities.

What's the air quality like? I'm reading it's pretty bad--might be a deal breaker for me.

[Savonarola]

(02-02-2019 11:57 AM)tatted-mormon Wrote:  

(02-02-2019 10:05 AM)semibaron Wrote:  

(01-30-2019 10:10 PM)wellrockthecity Wrote:  

Avoid Medellin if your Spanish is not on point.

All the gringos I have seen around with no spanish skills are always hanging out with hot prepagos or ugly girls that no decent local would like to be seen with.

As someone said you need to blend with the locals and if you dont speak fluent Spanish and are here only for a short period of time you will be labelled as a sex tourist or someone that can be taken advantage of since you are just passing by.

I speak the language, have a good cover up story on being here long term, I am not American and I still get tested a lot from girls that wants to understand if im just another foreigner stopping by a few months only to bang girls. The higher the quality of the girl and the more you gona be tested as they have a lot of decent locals chasing them, so you really have to bring something to the table.

Even though its a big city a lot of people know each other, especially if you are going to hang out in the upper class places like Provenza, Palmas etc. you gona bump into the same people over and over. And those girls dont want to be seen by their friends with a stinky gringo that is in the city for a couple of months. Reputation its really important in those estratos.

I have recently got close to a girl from my gym, not banging her, and when she invites me to parties or hang out with her friends I can notice that girls trust me a lot more since my friend is kind of vouching for me. You just get another reception when people see that you are here long term and have paisas friends.

If you want to go for the lower class girls the above is probably not important as you will be seen more as an opportunity to escape poverty (at least for a couple of weeks at least). Be aware that quality is gona definitely be lower and you increase risk of something bad happening, being played etc. Tinder and daygame outside Poblado/Envigado would be your best bet then.

I dont want to discourage you from visiting the place since its a great city but I see a lot of posts from people in this forum, especially new guys, that are overoptimistic about the reality on the ground.

I'm currently in Medellin and have met some RVF guys. Wellrockthecity is the only one I've seen so far pulling quality. At least 3 out of 4 guys rely on Tinder.

I myself get numbers from good girls, but in most cases it does lead nowhere. Staying here and having a social circle would make Medellin a total different place. More so than in other Latin American cities.

What's the air quality like? I'm reading it's pretty bad--might be a deal breaker for me.

FYI I pulled incredibly high quality in Medellin online, from ColombianCupid. But I'm above average looks and blonde/blue, which is prized in that culture.

Air quality was okay when I lived there in 2014, but I understand it's getting worse. The city is in a natural bowl and as the city gets more economically prosperous, the growing air pollution sits in the bowl. There's no wind to blow it away either.
https://colombiareports.com/red-alert-me...ople-guns/

[Savonarola]

Tatted Mormon:

Two more cities to consider for your trip:

1) Cali, Colombia: It's the world capital of salsa. I have a dream of posting up there for a while and immersing myself in salsa every night for 4 straight weeks. It's really affordable too. And the women are considered gorgeous -- they also will hop into bed with you in about 2 hours, on average. They're known for that. Downside: It's really hot, it's not very safe, and it's somewhat boring. The best way to enjoy Cali would be to work during the day, on stuff you bring from the US, then go out dancing when the sun sinks. You could do that for a while and be happy, I reckon.

2) Mendoza, Argentina: I spent three days here a few years ago. It's a chill, laid-back city on the edge of the Andes. It's safe... and gorgeous! And soaked in wine -- it's the center of Argentine wine culture. If you're the drinking kind of Mormon, this is the place to be. I could be happy there for quite a while and I think about it fairly often. I don't remember the female quality but I do remember it's the only place in Argentina I ever saw indigenous looking people, most of whom were probably Bolivians who immigrated for work.

bonus: 3) Cordoba, Argentina. I've never been, but a Spanish buddy went with his GF for a long weekend. His words to me: "I want to go back without a girlfriend." lol

[tatted-mormon]

(02-02-2019 12:38 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  

Tatted Mormon:

Two more cities to consider for your trip:

1) Cali, Colombia: It's the world capital of salsa. I have a dream of posting up there for a while and immersing myself in salsa every night for 4 straight weeks. It's really affordable too. And the women are considered gorgeous -- they also will hop into bed with you in about 2 hours, on average. They're known for that. Downside: It's really hot, it's not very safe, and it's somewhat boring. The best way to enjoy Cali would be to work during the day, on stuff you bring from the US, then go out dancing when the sun sinks. You could do that for a while and be happy, I reckon.

2) Mendoza, Argentina: I spent three days here a few years ago. It's a chill, laid-back city on the edge of the Andes. It's safe... and gorgeous! And soaked in wine -- it's the center of Argentine wine culture. If you're the drinking kind of Mormon, this is the place to be. I could be happy there for quite a while and I think about it fairly often. I don't remember the female quality but I do remember it's the only place in Argentina I ever saw indigenous looking people, most of whom were probably Bolivians who immigrated for work.

bonus: 3) Cordoba, Argentina. I've never been, but a Spanish buddy went with his GF for a long weekend. His words to me: "I want to go back without a girlfriend." lol

Cali was on my initial list but I think it'll be too hot for me to want to stay their long term. I like the ubiquity of salsa there but I think I'll be able to find salsa in virtually any city in LATAM.

I like your idea of splitting time between two places--one in Colombia and one in Argentina. I'm now considering smaller third tier cities like Bucaramanga, Manizales, and Pereira in Colombia because of the poor air quality in Medellin. On the Argentinean front it's between Mendoza and Cordoba, but I'm leaning towards Cordoba.

[NoMoreTO]

I definitely agree with getting a mix of different types of cities. To me the question you might be trying to answer is which type/size of city do you like for your lifestyle. For me, I already know I want to be in a smaller city. You'll also have to take your best bet on which country. For me I thought about which place overall interested me the most. Which women were the most attractive. You can pick stuff up from the forum, or people you have met, but in the end its a bit of a guess. Still I've always had a great time in LATAM.

In Colombia, the way I see it you would go
- Bogota (Metropolis)
- Medellin (Mid Size City)
- Cali, Pereira, Bucaramanga, Santa Marta for the smaller places

In Argentina you would go
- Buenos Aires (Metropolis )
- Cordoba/Mendoza(Mid Sized City)
- Patagonia, Mendoza Punte De L'este (Uruguay) for the smaller places.

I've Spent time in most of the places above, and 6 months in Medellin. I also did stay in Pereira a couple of months. Nice little city, amazing people, beautiful paisa girls, lots of nature. I Stay on the circunvalar. You can also go to either Cali or Medellin in 3-4 hours drive. Manizales is in the coffee triangle too, very close to Pereira and similar size. There was a difference in the air quality in Pereira vs. Medellin, Medellin is fully enclosed by mountains while Pereira is not fully enclosed, this lets the air flow. Also, smaller city means less cars.

[tatted-mormon]

(02-03-2019 02:52 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  

I definitely agree with getting a mix of different types of cities. To me the question you might be trying to answer is which type/size of city do you like for your lifestyle. For me, I already know I want to be in a smaller city. You'll also have to take your best bet on which country. For me I thought about which place overall interested me the most. Which women were the most attractive. You can pick stuff up from the forum, or people you have met, but in the end its a bit of a guess. Still I've always had a great time in LATAM.

In Colombia, the way I see it you would go
- Bogota (Metropolis)
- Medellin (Mid Size City)
- Cali, Pereira, Bucaramanga, Santa Marta for the smaller places

In Argentina you would go
- Buenos Aires (Metropolis )
- Cordoba/Mendoza(Mid Sized City)
- Patagonia, Mendoza Punte De L'este (Uruguay) for the smaller places.

I've Spent time in most of the places above, and 6 months in Medellin. I also did stay in Pereira a couple of months. Nice little city, amazing people, beautiful paisa girls, lots of nature. I Stay on the circunvalar. You can also go to either Cali or Medellin in 3-4 hours drive. Manizales is in the coffee triangle too, very close to Pereira and similar size. There was a difference in the air quality in Pereira vs. Medellin, Medellin is fully enclosed by mountains while Pereira is not fully enclosed, this lets the air flow. Also, smaller city means less cars.

Good way to sum it up. I like Colombia and Colombians and so I've pretty much decided I will spend at least part of my time there (probably split with Argentina as Savonarola suggested). In deciding between Medellin and the third tier Colombian cities it's a matter of if the smaller city size and relative lack of diversion sufficiently offsets the poorer air quality of Medellin. I will do further research to try and answer this. Having read some other posts on the forum I've read some poor reviews of the 3rd tier Colombian cities from a safety/infrastructure perspective. Again, will need to research more to confirm or disprove.

What is the "circunvalar"?

[semibaron]

Where do you get the air pollution problem in Medellin from? I'm currently there and think air is at least acceptable. Also you can always stay in the higher areas of El Poblado where the air can circulate more freely.

[NoMoreTO]

^^ I actually found the pollution in Medellin to be a lot better in 2018 vs. 2017. I think pico y placa works. In 2017 it bothered me, in 2018 I didn't even notice it.

Circunvalar is the name of one of the main streets in Pereira

[melikey]

Might be a bit of the wrong thread, but with lack of a better place to post it I will write it here anyways... One big problem that i end up getting in all latinamerican cities is that the security in my building end up being extremely jealous and telling girls that i bang other girls regularly etc. How do people deal with this problem?

[Savonarola]

One more city to consider:

Montevideo, Uruguay.

I've been there twice. If you want a slow-paced metropolis, with relaxed people, and a lot of safety, go there. I've been twice. There's something hypnotic about it.

It's a 3 hour boat ride from Buenos Aires. Same quality women as Argentina -- all Spanish and Italian immigrants -- but minus the bitchiness. It's also less fashionable and addicted to trends, so you'll see that reflected in how the women carry themselves. Otherwise, you'll get the same culture -- same great asados, same late dinners, same soccer passion, same everything. Pero son mas relajados.

Financially, it's much more stable. I don't think Uruguay has ever had a serious recession, whereas Argentina has one every freaking Tuesday. It's becoming popular for retirees.

If Argentina is a drama queen, Uruguay is like Argentina's laid-back little brother who walks behind her, rolling his eyes.

Recommended.

[Savonarola]

(02-03-2019 12:49 PM)melikey Wrote:  

Might be a bit of the wrong thread, but with lack of a better place to post it I will write it here anyways... One big problem that i end up getting in all latinamerican cities is that the security in my building end up being extremely jealous and telling girls that i bang other girls regularly etc. How do people deal with this problem?

Pay them.

[semibaron]

(02-03-2019 06:59 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  

One more city to consider:

Montevideo, Uruguay.

I've been there twice. If you want a slow-paced metropolis, with relaxed people, and a lot of safety, go there. I've been twice. There's something hypnotic about it.

It's a 3 hour boat ride from Buenos Aires. Same quality women as Argentina -- all Spanish and Italian immigrants -- but minus the bitchiness. It's also less fashionable and addicted to trends, so you'll see that reflected in how the women carry themselves. Otherwise, you'll get the same culture -- same great asados, same late dinners, same soccer passion, same everything. Pero son mas relajados.

Financially, it's much more stable. I don't think Uruguay has ever had a serious recession, whereas Argentina has one every freaking Tuesday. It's becoming popular for retirees.

If Argentina is a drama queen, Uruguay is like Argentina's laid-back little brother who walks behind her, rolling his eyes.

Recommended.

How would you compare Montevideo with 2nd tier Argentinian cities such as Cordoba or Mendoza?

[Savonarola]

(02-03-2019 09:22 PM)semibaron Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 06:59 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  

One more city to consider:

Montevideo, Uruguay.

I've been there twice. If you want a slow-paced metropolis, with relaxed people, and a lot of safety, go there. I've been twice. There's something hypnotic about it.

It's a 3 hour boat ride from Buenos Aires. Same quality women as Argentina -- all Spanish and Italian immigrants -- but minus the bitchiness. It's also less fashionable and addicted to trends, so you'll see that reflected in how the women carry themselves. Otherwise, you'll get the same culture -- same great asados, same late dinners, same soccer passion, same everything. Pero son mas relajados.

Financially, it's much more stable. I don't think Uruguay has ever had a serious recession, whereas Argentina has one every freaking Tuesday. It's becoming popular for retirees.

If Argentina is a drama queen, Uruguay is like Argentina's laid-back little brother who walks behind her, rolling his eyes.

Recommended.

How would you compare Montevideo with 2nd tier Argentinian cities such as Cordoba or Mendoza?

Mendoza is much smaller; the city proper has only 110,000 people; Montevideo has 1.3 million in the city proper.
Mendoza is landlocked and feels very sleepy; Montevideo is situated on the choppy ocean and gets windy.
Mendoza is a fairly new city and it feels like its best days are still ahead. Montevideo had its best days back in the 1930s, and the beautiful crumbling mansions are evidence of it. (Fun fact: Montevideo was the site of the first World Cup in 1930, which Uruguay won.)

If you put a gun to my head and said choose, I'd pick Montevideo, because I'm more of a city guy and like variety. But both are great.

I haven't been to Cordoba, but friends tell me that there's not much to do other than game college girls. I imagine that's pretty tough in Argentina, given their bitch shields and national arrogance. If I'm gaming college girls, I'm going to Colombia for a better ROI.

[SaintLaurentJake]

^ Yes, I have heard a lot about Montevideo and Uruguay. Argentina is known infamously for its social circle requisites similar to Italy. Uruguay can provide you with similar Mestizo girls without having to have social circle game. Uruguayan girls look just like Argentinian and South Brazilians from what I've read.

Asuncion, Paraguay might be a hidden pussy paradise now. There's almost no reason for any gringo to even visit Paraguay as business and economic prospects are non-existent yet. Gringo factor is still big here compared to other countries and the girls look like light skinned peruanas and brazilian girls.

A thread a while back on PGY : thread-19046-page-2.html

[BBinger]

(02-04-2019 04:11 PM)SaintLaurentJake Wrote:  

^ Yes, I have heard a lot about Montevideo and Uruguay. Argentina is known infamously for its social circle requisites similar to Italy. Uruguay can provide you with similar Mestizo girls without having to have social circle game. Uruguayan girls look just like Argentinian and South Brazilians from what I've read.

Asuncion, Paraguay might be a hidden pussy paradise now. There's almost no reason for any gringo to even visit Paraguay as business and economic prospects are non-existent yet. Gringo factor is still big here compared to other countries and the girls look like light skinned peruanas and brazilian girls.

A thread a while back on PGY : thread-19046-page-2.html

There's some Urugayas with a bit of tan, but the local crowd's line here in Uruguay is that they aren't Latinos but Europeos.

On the other hands Montevideo draws a lot of immigrants from other South American countries. There tends to be a lot of cultural friction between the Dominicans (outgoing) and Uruguayos (introverted), but the Uuguayos tend to get along with other immigrants.

(02-03-2019 06:59 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  

One more city to consider:

Montevideo, Uruguay.

I've been there twice. If you want a slow-paced metropolis, with relaxed people, and a lot of safety, go there. I've been twice. There's something hypnotic about it.

It's a 3 hour boat ride from Buenos Aires. Same quality women as Argentina -- all Spanish and Italian immigrants -- but minus the bitchiness. It's also less fashionable and addicted to trends, so you'll see that reflected in how the women carry themselves. Otherwise, you'll get the same culture -- same great asados, same late dinners, same soccer passion, same everything. Pero son mas relajados.

Financially, it's much more stable. I don't think Uruguay has ever had a serious recession, whereas Argentina has one every freaking Tuesday. It's becoming popular for retirees.

If Argentina is a drama queen, Uruguay is like Argentina's laid-back little brother who walks behind her, rolling his eyes.

Recommended.

Inflation and the VAT are economic issues to be aware about as is the mess of a process they have for importations.

The inflation is more controlled than Uruguay's, but they still institutionalize it. If you have a multi year rental contract each year the rent will go up by a government determined percentage. Utility bills also go up each year by a different percentage.

Then there's the issue of Argentina being big and bouncing from crisis to crisis. Uruguay's economy suffers when Argentina gets sick. The compra/venta spread on Argentine pesos here is insane and a matter of central bank policy.

Everything here is expensive by LATAM standards. Rent is cheap by US standards. Food is roughly on par with the US. Consumer goods tend to be more expensive than the US. Electronics, smartphones, and computers are very expensive. Car ownership is very expensive (this country imports all of its petroluem). This country and city however are however friendly to 2 and 3 wheeled motor vehicles.

Last February I met a British retiree spending his last summer in Uruguay due to the inflation. Guy taught here during the Dictatorship years, has ties to the country, and got priced out because the prices here have been inflating in pesos and against the Pound (which hasn't been a literal pound of sterling silver for quite some time) his pension is denominated in.

Other than that living here is convenient, except for those times I gotta import shit, which I do regularly (Depending on your line of work, your situation may vary). Importing is greatly simplified by registering a business and further registering with the local envirowankers as an importer of packaged goods. If you can't produce your own fun, this city can be very boring.

[semibaron]

Let's get to the point: how are the local (Uruguay) girls?
Can somebody compare them to either Colombianas, Brazilianas or Peruanas?

[Savonarola]

(02-08-2019 12:53 PM)semibaron Wrote:  

Let's get to the point: how are the local (Uruguay) girls?
Can somebody compare them to either Colombianas, Brazilianas or Peruanas?

Whiter and more introverted/modest. They're Europeans, except many act more conservatively than Europeans.

[BBinger]

(02-08-2019 12:53 PM)semibaron Wrote:  

Let's get to the point: how are the local (Uruguay) girls?
Can somebody compare them to either Colombianas, Brazilianas or Peruanas?

You can find the above here in some quantities. More common are Venezolanas and Dominicanas, while Brasileras are a seasonal crop.

(02-08-2019 03:13 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:53 PM)semibaron Wrote:  

Let's get to the point: how are the local (Uruguay) girls?
Can somebody compare them to either Colombianas, Brazilianas or Peruanas?

Whiter and more introverted/modest. They're Europeans, except many act more conservatively than Europeans.

Introverted/Modest is a bit of an understatement on the first point and I'm not sure "Modesty" is at play.

Uruguayas are pathologically coy mirroring the male Uruguayos who are pathologically timid. In spite of the high price of food there exist some number of Uruguayas that manage to be young and obese. Obnoxious old woman though patterns are often ingrained into quite a few Uruguayas at comparatively young ages... Your average non-Dominican immigrant girl picked out of a crowd on non-Dominican immigrant girls is going to be a better cook than the Uruguaya selected from a pool of Uruguayas 8 times out of 10...

It isn't uncommon for Uruguayas to work the legal prostitution into shit tests, sometimes they'll name specific establishments with those establishments being their place of employment.

Their internalized "no somos Latinos, somos Europeos" means there isn't "White God" status to be played with the Uruguayas.

Uruguayas can be very attractively built Some even are fairly tall by LATAM standards, but they don't do makeup like the Northern Latinas. Short kinda dumpy Uruguayas are the most common type. There's little risk of hooking a tranny by mistake, because they stand out as men wearing makeup and tight jeans.

Generally Uruguayas aren't going to understand English. Yes there are a lot of signs with English words, but they pronounce those words according to their own interpretation of the Spanish alphabet.