[christpuncher]

My rough plan has always been to hold off on western Europe while younger (during my 20s, and now 30s) because it is too expensive. That the most sensible way to spend one's money on travel is doing cheaper destinations when young and expensive when older.

I've been to Europe once already (Munich, Austria, northern Balkans) and South America twice (Peru and Argentina) as well as the Caribbean and Hawaii half a dozen times and around Canada and the States a fair bit, but not extensively.

My international travel priorities for the next few years have always been, in no particular order: Brazil, Colombia, Poland, Czech, Hungary, Baltics, Balkans, SE Asia.

So I have about 5-6 big 2-3 week trips out of the above destinations over the next 4-5 years in mind. More recently though I've been getting a strong gut feeling that I need to visit western Europe soon, now. Mainly from reading RVF and manosphere news, I'm worried that western Europe is degrading fast, being desecrated, and in another 5-10 years the traditional culture will be ruined, historical monuments destroyed or closed for tourists to protect them, and hostilities rising between immigrants, locals, government, which will overall lead to a bad time.

The real question is... Am I overreacting by considering a change in plans because of this? and, Am I already too late? Are Paris, Stockholm, Brussels, London, Denmark already ruined, and will they be so much shittier in 2025 than in 2018 that it's worth breaking the plan/budget to go there now?

[Elster]

Paris, Brussels and London are expensive as fuck I understand but some smart budgeting should see you through easily anywhere in Europe (for starters, don't have a coffee at a tourist joint in the Zentrum)

Copenhagen perfectly illustrates this point, if you can be spartan with your needs and know where to spend then the town won't be that expensive (tip:metro is costly and you can walk to most places, ain't that big of a city)

As for security, atm common sense will see you unharmed (don't wander into shady areas or banlieus and stay away from Mälmö, it just sucks).

[TheBulldozer]

You're reading the forum too much. Honestly.

I was in London for two and a half weeks this summer. I enjoyed the hell out of drinking pints, beautiful women from all over the world and ten o'clock sunsets. Fitzrovia might be my favorite neighborhood in the world. This coming from someone who lived in London for six months, ten years ago.

[churros]

(07-30-2017 10:07 AM)christpuncher Wrote:  

More recently though I've been getting a strong gut feeling that I need to visit western Europe soon, now. Mainly from reading RVF and manosphere news, I'm worried that western Europe is degrading fast, being desecrated, and in another 5-10 years the traditional culture will be ruined, historical monuments destroyed or closed for tourists to protect them, and hostilities rising between immigrants, locals, government, which will overall lead to a bad time.

I think you should go asap, not because of cultural decline, but because you urgently need a reference point in reality.

[spaceman]

You're reading rvf too much. LMAO

Western Europe hasn't exploded.. yet.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Visit now - Western Europe is still predominantly white. This will change in the next decades. So far only some areas and streets are enriched or no-go.

Visit now, visit soon.

[space]

I'm in a place in Europe now with a lot of Germans. Based on the way they stare at me like i'm a science exihibit I would guess that Germany is still 99% white.

Seriously, its like they've never seen a black guy in the flesh before. Maybe these Germans are from rural areas, but from this evidence Germany is still a long long way from "enrichment"

[TigerTim]

(07-31-2017 06:47 AM)space Wrote:  

I'm in a place in Europe now with a lot of Germans. Based on the way they stare at me like i'm a science exihibit I would guess that Germany is still 99% white.

Seriously, its like they've never seen a black guy in the flesh before. Maybe these Germans are from rural areas, but from this evidence Germany is still a long long way from "enrichment"

Where in germany are you? somewhere in the east or the south? because all the north and west of germany has a lot of africans.

germany isnt 99% white, and being white isnt useful in germany as most germans dont even use or understand the concept white. Germans see other ethnic germans as locals/natives and everybody else as foreigner/non-native. Are greeks white? are german whites? do a group of greek from crete blend among a group of germans from Hannover?

[Super_Fire]

Go to England but spend most of your time in smaller towns and the countryside. You'll see almost no enrichment and enjoy lots of good rambles.

[christpuncher]

Thanks guys. I know it's a difficult topic to discuss in a simplistic way, and there are many perspectives differing from locals, expats, travellers and vacationers. In the end though for taking a holiday to visit a place, it comes down to a yes or no decision.

I suppose though that touristy city centers, and rural scenic cultural destination will be the least concern, which is what I'm most interested in as a vacationer.

My other motivation is to make a decision on whether to apply for a passport from my Schengen zone motherland. I only qualify for a few more years to apply. Retiring somewhere in Europe in 2040 would be nice, I think, assuming there isn't a war going on...

[kirdiesel]

(07-31-2017 06:47 AM)space Wrote:  

I'm in a place in Europe now with a lot of Germans. Based on the way they stare at me like i'm a science exihibit I would guess that Germany is still 99% white.

Seriously, its like they've never seen a black guy in the flesh before. Maybe these Germans are from rural areas, but from this evidence Germany is still a long long way from "enrichment"

People from rural areas tend to stare in Germany it doesn't happen in the cities.

Its not 99% white but its still very white outside the cities.

[Elster]

I never really had problems with my skin color in Rural Germany and I m so tanned many people confuse me for a Bulgarian or some weird balkanic mix.
I understand people in the east could appear a bit more hostile (specially old train controllers) but In general stuff goes smoothly.

[shotgun]

I am in Western Europe right now. Judging from my past visits, the only thing that seems to be rapidly decaying in this continent is the nightlife. Awful ratios, bitchy women, tacky nightclubs and early last calls all around. It could be just me getting old though.

[ProGambler]

Paris, London, Barcelona and Amsterdam are already ruined but there will be plenty to see from the best of the West in 10 years still (natural beauty spots and the occasional city that's relatively untouched).

[Pointer]

In what way is Barcelona ruined ? It's miles ahead of the other 3 cities you mentioned.

[Biologist]

Just do whatever you feel like. Why do you want to see Europe anyway?

If it's for the nightlife and music festivals it's probably best to go now while you're still young. If it's for the architecture and historical aspects, then you could probably hold off.

It just depends on what you really want to see first.

[scrambled]

(08-01-2017 08:52 PM)ProGambler Wrote:  

Paris, London, Barcelona and Amsterdam are already ruined but there will be plenty to see from the best of the West in 10 years still (natural beauty spots and the occasional city that's relatively untouched).

Yes please explain the state of Barcelona; ruined because of too many Chinese tourists?