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Kiev VS Moscow
05-15-2017, 06:58 PM
Interested to hear insights from those players who have been to both places
I have already been to Kiev.
While Moscow is clearly much more expensive, there seems to be different opinions as to whether that cost is justified.
Look forward to any responses.
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Kiev VS Moscow
05-15-2017, 09:03 PM
I have been to both, but only gamed in Kiev. I did some damage in 2nd tier Russia, Krasnodar and St. Petersburg.
In my opinion Moscow is too expensive, and the slight increase in quality is not enough to compensate for the price tag difference. I would go there for a short time as a tourist, but would prefer second tier Russia for a long term stay.
Even amongst other Russians Moscovites are known as rude. There are also too many darker Caucasians in Moscow, who are very unpredictable. I had some conflicts with them during nightgame, but managed to escape untouched due to being able to stand my ground. I would like to avoid these interractions in future.
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Kiev VS Moscow
05-15-2017, 11:46 PM
Haven't been to Kiev, but in terms of girls only, I can hardly imagine the cost difference being justified. Moscow became expensive af again. I rarely drop less than 5k on a night out and that's with watching my money and not buying girls drinks. And I'm talking not drinking like a fish at the high-end places like Siberia.
BUT! You can do Moscow on the cheap as well, if you go to the rowdier, low-end pivbars and Coyote Uglys, it's gonna cost you way less. A ton of cheaper hipster places have sprung up as well in the recent years. Cannot say much about quality of girls there, because that's not my thing. Please don't expect models in heels there though.
Moscow is rude indeed. Bar staff often treats you like shit. I've had a hard time befriending bar staff here, it's something I clearly need to work on. One of the few places they treated me well was at my bookie's bar lol.
Have never had any problems with fights or any of that sorts. Also not with immigrants, tbf I don't see them at the places I go to. Russians look down on them and I must admit that you pretty quickly adapt that mindset. Best to avoid talkig to guys at night at all, they might start talking to you though, if they can hear you speak English.
One thing that Moscow probably has a big headstart on is the lower amount of love tourists. From the vibe I am getting here, Kiev is full with Turks and Italians. Moscow doesn't have a lot of tourists for a city of that size.
If you can bankroll it though, it's probably the best city to be in, along with NYC. The high-end women are shameless golddiggers/whores, but they are so damn hot, it's gonna make you salivate in the desert.
One more thing: can absolutely not support the statement that 2nd tier Russia is better for long-term. I've been to a few Russian cities now and they're all the damn same. Ugly, grey, depressive, boring. Literally the only sight to see are the women and at least in the cities I've been to (Nizhny, Vladimir, Tver, Crimea), the quality doesn't compare to Moscow. Nightlife is a joke, you often will feel beamed back to the 90s in the nightclubs. Ratios are good yes, but forget taking a girl home, because it is very much a dating/marriage culture. That might be paradise to the people who wish they were born i the 50s and dream of marrying their unicorn virgin, but if you're aspiring to the international playboy lifestyle, please spare yourself your time and your money.
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Kiev VS Moscow
05-15-2017, 11:53 PM
Quote: (05-15-2017 11:46 PM)icrus Wrote:
One more thing: can absolutely not support the statement that 2nd tier Russia is better for long-term. I've been to a few Russian cities now and they're all the damn same. Ugly, grey, depressive, boring. Literally the only sight to see are the women and at least in the cities I've been to (Nizhny, Vladimir, Tver, Crimea), the quality doesn't compare to Moscow. Nightlife is a joke, you often will feel beamed back to the 90s in the nightclubs. Ratios are good yes, but forget taking a girl home, because it is very much a dating/marriage culture. That might be paradise to the people who wish they were born i the 50s and dream of marrying their unicorn virgin, but if you're aspiring to the international playboy lifestyle, please spare yourself your time and your money.
Only second tier mentioned was piter, which you left out...
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05-16-2017, 06:09 PM
Quote: (05-15-2017 11:46 PM)icrus Wrote:
One more thing: can absolutely not support the statement that 2nd tier Russia is better for long-term. I've been to a few Russian cities now and they're all the damn same. Ugly, grey, depressive, boring. Literally the only sight to see are the women and at least in the cities I've been to (Nizhny, Vladimir, Tver, Crimea), the quality doesn't compare to Moscow. Nightlife is a joke, you often will feel beamed back to the 90s in the nightclubs. Ratios are good yes, but forget taking a girl home, because it is very much a dating/marriage culture. That might be paradise to the people who wish they were born i the 50s and dream of marrying their unicorn virgin, but if you're aspiring to the international playboy lifestyle, please spare yourself your time and your money.
We seemed to have been to totally different cities in terms of 2nd tier.
St. Petes is great and Krasnodar is one of the best cities in Russia for quality of life
http://nko.krasnodar.ru/?p=688
What it tells me though is bad news, cause I was planning a big 2nd tier Russia trip. My experiences in Russia were always somewhat good.
Being from EE myself gives me high tolerance of greyness and architectural ugliness.
One of the hottest girls I fucked up to this day was from 2nd Tier Russia. Yes she wanted a relationship, yes she was not easy, but god it was worth it.
Since when is Crimea a city, as far as I know there is a big difference between cities of Crimea itself, which one have you visited?
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05-17-2017, 12:38 AM
I was in Yalta and Sevastopol. I have to correct that one a bit, since they are coastal cities they are not as grey and depressing as all the others. I imagine Krasnodar and Sochi are similar. I was just not that impressed by the nature and the beaches. I've been two dozen times to Croatia, so a concrete beach doesn't wow me. That is not to say that it isn't nice there. I'd just take other cities and beach resorts over that.
As I said, I've been mostly to outsized villages. I want to go to Kazan myself, because I totally dig Tatar girls. But I'd never bother to go to Omsk, Tomsk, Tyumen or whatever other hole. If the trip has a theme other than girls such as nature, then by all means. But I'd never go for game only.
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Kiev VS Moscow
05-17-2017, 08:46 AM
Quote: (05-17-2017 02:41 AM)Chaos Wrote:
I have been to more than 20 Russian 2nd and 3rd tier cities all over the country and I would say you should definitely go if you are even slighty interested. It's a trip of a lifetime.
:evil grin: c'mon man, don't leave us hangin! What made it the trip of a lifetime? Legendary poosay????
Pussy ain't for pussies...
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Kiev VS Moscow
03-14-2018, 09:08 AM
Moscow are the best, but Kiev is the best bang for your buck. Piter has more hipsters/scammers.
Roosh described them well in a recent phone-in.
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03-14-2018, 09:47 AM
Quote: (05-17-2017 09:37 AM)edlefou Wrote:
Moscow is my favorite city in Europe. Is the high cost justified? No. But I love it and keep going back. Not just for the women. It's got a good vibe. I spent 2 months there last year. If rent were cheaper I'd stay longer.
I really like Kiev too. I lived there 6 months last year. In my opinion it's a slight step down from Moscow, but infinitely cheaper and no visa hassles. Not a place to go only for the women. Also has a good energy.
In both places it's perfectly normal to act like a man.
So you live in Colombia where people are rather open and warm hearted and it's sunny and you like frozen Moscow where people are cold and hostile as fuck?
I get mad just by passing through their crappy soviet airport.
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03-15-2018, 05:03 PM
Quote: (03-15-2018 04:17 PM)Rocha Wrote:
Of course not. Everyone speaks Russian in Kiev.
No. More and more people take pride to speak solely ukrainian, to the point that it's becoming ridiculous. That said, it's understandable, you don't want to speak the language of the country you're at war with.
About Moscow vs Kiev ..... compared to Moscow, nightlife in Kiev is like village vs big city.
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03-15-2018, 05:49 PM
Quote: (03-15-2018 02:40 AM)Aquarius Wrote:
But Moscow, especially its center, is a vibrant high energy world class city with an extreme amount of hotties.
Absolutely. Every dump from Vladivostok to Murmansk send its hottest and finest for a chance at Bright Light Big City.
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Kiev VS Moscow
03-16-2018, 02:31 AM
I want to stay for two months April and May in Kiev, Moscow or St. P and except women I really want to explore the culture and feel the vibe. I don't like to move from place to place. Which one will give me the most value for being a foreigner with good Russian skills? Where are the most family oriented, church going women? what are the monthly expenses in all three cities for rent or airbnb in central location with a decent transport? Which is the safest city?
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03-16-2018, 04:24 AM
Quote: (03-15-2018 05:36 PM)Rocha Wrote:
Nobody gives a shit about language, they speak mostly the language they grew up with.
From my experience, people do give a shit (once more, you do not want to speak the language of the country you are at war with, and even people whose native language is russian now make the effort to speak ukrainian), and authorities also for that matter ...for example, the Rada introduced a minimum 75 % quota for ukrainian-language shows on television, and a new law that requires the use of the state language (ukrainian) in state bodies and in public spheres of life, such as advertising, mass media, education, science, cultural activities, ect. Of course, the law does not apply to private communication, but nowadays with national pride at peak level (understandable for a country at war), it's politically correct to at least make the effort to speak ukrainian.