[Branimir]

Torontian girls sound much like german girls.
Atleast in my city.

[darren1michaels]

What was that about, looks crazy!!! Never seen anything like that yet in real life! Even some guys helping them lol wtf!?

[WesternCancer]

Holy fuck the lack of logic in those videos is astounding. One guy wanted to just hear what the guy had to say and a girl is calling him scum and a rapist. It's funny how the people who are the most vocal about being tolerant of alternative lifestyles are so intolerant of traditional lifestyles.

[G'sUp2000]

What's up fellas, I found out about this forum by pure luck and happy I did. And was just able to sign up recently. I wanted to put my 2 cents into this discussion about Toronto. Now i'm an American guy that has had dealing with Toronto for about 10 years or so. I'm currently living in Toronto now, and have been for the past 2 years. I can tell you that Toronto has changed by leaps and bounds. Coming from an American guy that has cleaned up in this city like crazy. I mean i'm talkin Michael Jordan type numbers when Toronto was a gold mind for beautiful, and fun women. And as a American I always knew I had an edge, the women would tell me so if I ever forgot, lol.

I noticed the change in Toronto i'd say about 5 or 6 years ago and it steadily got worse. To the point where, Toronto seems like a totally different place than I remember when I was having so much fun here. As someone else stated, the women just walk around aimlessly with no intent of interacting with anyone especially any males. And being an American kat, we definitely are more aggressive with approaching women and this used to work in my favor back in the day when I used come through Toronto. But now it seems the women are very defensive, and suspicious of a man they don't know saying hello to them or holding a conversation.

I've been wanting to weigh in on this topic for quite some time, so now I have the chance to. I'll say this too, even when I was cleaning up like crazy back in the hay day, even then it seemed like it was more difficult for a local guy from here to get as much tail as I was gettin. So I can only imagine how it is for a guy that's from here now, when it's hit or miss for me at best. Being American still does give me an edge, but the women here just don't have that vibrance and playfulness they once had and is making me think of relocating back to the U.S. As I did not come here strictly for the women, but that was always a big perk of coming to Toronto and being in Canada.

Last thing i'll say is that alot of the Toronto chicks now seem weird, and flaky as hell. Not sure how much longer i'm gonna be here anyways, not sure what my future holds.

[G'sUp2000]

Solution: I had a thought in my head that just might work. Now sure if we could pull this off or what, but I say we put these Toronto chicks in a "Deep Freeze." What I mean by this is that if we could somehow get as many single guys as possible in the city, to either not go out to bars and clubs so these chicks will wonder where are all the guys at that they want attention from. Or if guys go out, they can not talk to any of the women there if they don't know them. Do it for like a full on Month or two. Sounds crazy or might be hard, but the results in the long term would get these women to shape up. We men still have the power, we just have to know our strengths an use it to our advantage. Women live off attention, and if you take that away from them. They will crumble and be helpless. People get on twitter and facebook to get shit done like organizing marches and all kinds of stuff. I think we could pull something off like this and change the current situation.

If this was excuted in the right way, guys would have all the women they want because these girls would feel so neglected and craving a man's attention. Women have what we want and that's tits, ass, and pussy. And we have what women want and that's our "attention." We take that away from them, they will fold. Instead of complaining I say we take action and swing the pendulum back in our direction.

[rudebwoy]

(12-02-2012 05:38 AM)GsUp2000 Wrote:  

Solution: I had a thought in my head that just might work. Now sure if we could pull this off or what, but I say we put these Toronto chicks in a "Deep Freeze." What I mean by this is that if we could somehow get as many single guys as possible in the city, to either not go out to bars and clubs so these chicks will wonder where are all the guys at that they want attention from. Or if guys go out, they can not talk to any of the women there if they don't know them. Do it for like a full on Month or two. Sounds crazy or might be hard, but the results in the long term would get these women to shape up. We men still have the power, we just have to know our strengths an use it to our advantage. Women live off attention, and if you take that away from them. They will crumble and be helpless. People get on twitter and facebook to get shit done like organizing marches and all kinds of stuff. I think we could pull something off like this and change the current situation.

If this was excuted in the right way, guys would have all the women they want because these girls would feel so neglected and craving a man's attention. Women have what we want and that's tits, ass, and pussy. And we have what women want and that's our "attention." We take that away from them, they will fold. Instead of complaining I say we take action and swing the pendulum back in our direction.

Well stated but as you know that would never happen in Toronto.
Men here are far too comfortable and lazy to go searching the world for pussy paradises!

[kosko]

(12-02-2012 05:38 AM)GsUp2000 Wrote:  

Solution: I had a thought in my head that just might work. Now sure if we could pull this off or what, but I say we put these Toronto chicks in a "Deep Freeze." What I mean by this is that if we could somehow get as many single guys as possible in the city, to either not go out to bars and clubs so these chicks will wonder where are all the guys at that they want attention from. Or if guys go out, they can not talk to any of the women there if they don't know them. Do it for like a full on Month or two. Sounds crazy or might be hard, but the results in the long term would get these women to shape up. We men still have the power, we just have to know our strengths an use it to our advantage. Women live off attention, and if you take that away from them. They will crumble and be helpless. People get on twitter and facebook to get shit done like organizing marches and all kinds of stuff. I think we could pull something off like this and change the current situation.

If this was executed in the right way, guys would have all the women they want because these girls would feel so neglected and craving a man's attention. Women have what we want and that's tits, ass, and pussy. And we have what women want and that's our "attention." We take that away from them, they will fold. Instead of complaining I say we take action and swing the pendulum back in our direction.

This is a good idea but IMO to ambitious. Toronto women are at fault but the Toronto men are to blame as well. Even if 50-100 men tried to do this there is still 1000 Men whole will still beg and bow to the Women in this City. Toronto women have to much artificial power and its interesting you give your timelines because it falls in line from when I first visited Toronto and had such a great time that I was convinced to move here a few years later.

I remember when I first fame to Toronto I went to bars and it was almost ALL Females. Big groups of girls just getting drunk and having a good time. I was getting with chics from Queen West all the way up to Mt. Pleasant and Leaside. I had bitches gassing me up and the two times I came here I was like wooooow. Plus the delusional of the face-value of Toronto women just being ethnically diverse and hot. In the summer a good chunk of women are hot and sexy just walking around downtown. This contrast from Western Canada was too much for me I made one of the worst mistake of my life to move here for school over MONTERAL.

It is what it is. I am hoping to crack the code but now I have realized I can't spend so much time, money, energy in doing so. I spent nearly a year now just hitting the pavement and hitting different scenes in the nightlife to see if I could exploit any niches to my favour. IT has given me good insight and shit but not as much play as I would like.


Now what I want to know is what caused this transition from lets say 8-6 years ago. This is the question I want to know the answer too. Was it a Generational thing? The night-life Shift from the Clubland atmosphere and the large mega clubs to the now fragmented club scene? Did the recession cause anything?

[G'sUp2000]

(12-02-2012 07:56 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(12-02-2012 05:38 AM)GsUp2000 Wrote:  

Solution: I had a thought in my head that just might work. Now sure if we could pull this off or what, but I say we put these Toronto chicks in a "Deep Freeze." What I mean by this is that if we could somehow get as many single guys as possible in the city, to either not go out to bars and clubs so these chicks will wonder where are all the guys at that they want attention from. Or if guys go out, they can not talk to any of the women there if they don't know them. Do it for like a full on Month or two. Sounds crazy or might be hard, but the results in the long term would get these women to shape up. We men still have the power, we just have to know our strengths an use it to our advantage. Women live off attention, and if you take that away from them. They will crumble and be helpless. People get on twitter and facebook to get shit done like organizing marches and all kinds of stuff. I think we could pull something off like this and change the current situation.

If this was executed in the right way, guys would have all the women they want because these girls would feel so neglected and craving a man's attention. Women have what we want and that's tits, ass, and pussy. And we have what women want and that's our "attention." We take that away from them, they will fold. Instead of complaining I say we take action and swing the pendulum back in our direction.

This is a good idea but IMO to ambitious. Toronto women are at fault but the Toronto men are to blame as well. Even if 50-100 men tried to do this there is still 1000 Men whole will still beg and bow to the Women in this City. Toronto women have to much artificial power and its interesting you give your timelines because it falls in line from when I first visited Toronto and had such a great time that I was convinced to move here a few years later.

I remember when I first fame to Toronto I went to bars and it was almost ALL Females. Big groups of girls just getting drunk and having a good time. I was getting with chics from Queen West all the way up to Mt. Pleasant and Leaside. I had bitches gassing me up and the two times I came here I was like wooooow. Plus the delusional of the face-value of Toronto women just being ethnically diverse and hot. In the summer a good chunk of women are hot and sexy just walking around downtown. This contrast from Western Canada was too much for me I made one of the worst mistake of my life to move here for school over MONTERAL.

It is what it is. I am hoping to crack the code but now I have realized I can't spend so much time, money, energy in doing so. I spent nearly a year now just hitting the pavement and hitting different scenes in the nightlife to see if I could exploit any niches to my favour. IT has given me good insight and shit but not as much play as I would like.


Now what I want to know is what caused this transition from lets say 8-6 years ago. This is the question I want to know the answer too. Was it a Generational thing? The night-life Shift from the Clubland atmosphere and the large mega clubs to the now fragmented club scene? Did the recession cause anything?

I think it's all of the above man, the club scene here is out of whack. Toronto doesn't even really have 1 real club district anymore. Unless you count King Street West, and i'm not really a fan of that area. The women that frequent that area are all fluff bullshit for the most part. I think a lot of it too is American influence, too much MTV and shit. The best times i've had is meeting women that just moved here from Calgary & Vancouver. I've met about 4 chicks with in the last year from these places and it's like old times dealing with them. Those girls really know how to have fun and live for the moment. Makes me even want to take a trip out to Vancouver. I think you guys have the right idea about going other places, I say leave Toronto alone, unless something drastically changes. Pussy Paradise ain't here that's for sure. Go leave this place and enjoy life, or find some females that just moved here from some far away place, LOL..

Is Montreal really that much different than Toronto? Should I really make that trip?

[lavidaloca]

I am from the GTA area and have only ever gone clubbing once in Toronto despite being legal age quite a few years. I thought it was brutal quality wise, ratio wise and personality wise.

I suspect that if you want to truly enjoy toronto you need to target specific ethnic bars. I.e. if you like italians go to little Italy.

[Moma]

(12-02-2012 05:38 AM)GsUp2000 Wrote:  

Solution: I had a thought in my head that just might work. Now sure if we could pull this off or what, but I say we put these Toronto chicks in a "Deep Freeze." What I mean by this is that if we could somehow get as many single guys as possible in the city, to either not go out to bars and clubs so these chicks will wonder where are all the guys at that they want attention from. Or if guys go out, they can not talk to any of the women there if they don't know them. Do it for like a full on Month or two. Sounds crazy or might be hard, but the results in the long term would get these women to shape up. We men still have the power, we just have to know our strengths an use it to our advantage. Women live off attention, and if you take that away from them. They will crumble and be helpless. People get on twitter and facebook to get shit done like organizing marches and all kinds of stuff. I think we could pull something off like this and change the current situation.

If this was excuted in the right way, guys would have all the women they want because these girls would feel so neglected and craving a man's attention. Women have what we want and that's tits, ass, and pussy. And we have what women want and that's our "attention." We take that away from them, they will fold. Instead of complaining I say we take action and swing the pendulum back in our direction.

This is a good idea. Boycott the indolent lizards and go on a strike.

[Apollo2]

Just read this article. Is this the mindset of a typical Toronto single girl?

http://www.happygrrls.com/relating/singlegirl2.html

Quote:

At the beginning of the New Year, I made a resolution. I was no longer going to sit at home and lament as to why I could not find a decent single guy, either to date, or to just be friends with, and hence by association date his similarly decent friends. Instead, I was going to go out and find him. I knew this would turn into an exhausting venture, a literal "manhunt". Would I even do anything if I found him? Or was I just on an obsessive quest to prove that he actually exists? I had also vowed to take the garbage out every day, so as to avoid the temptation of old pizza boxes, and, more recently, leftovers from Swiss Chalet. If that had worked, maybe the manhunt would, too.

Though we had also resolved to not venture to the Maddy for quite a while, my friend and I decided to check the bar out again. After all, it was a New Year, and thus there were probably new men there who were casually leaning on the piano, or playing pool, all awaiting our arrival. Our reasoning was simple, illogical, and good enough for us.

We headed to the Maddy on a Thursday night, thinking that both university students and working guys would be there. We arrived around 11 p.m., with hungry eyes - for nachos. We wandered around the many floors of the bar, unsuccessful in finding a table. We then settled into a booth on the heated patio and ordered drinks and nachos. We took stock of the talent surrounding us - unattractive guys, guys with girls, uninteresting guys, and of course, no guys. That's when we noticed a sign on our table - Ladies Night, 9 p.m. - 11 p.m. We had missed it.

At one point, I found myself at eye-level with an old, foreign man's ass. He turned and blew smoke into my face, and that's when I knew that it wasn't meant to be.

I put my feet up on the booth and gave up on looking remotely sexy or coquettish - clearly "the man" was not to be found at the Maddy. That's when I noticed something. The guys behind us - they were looking. And they looked all right, even fun. And they were wearing baseball caps. I looked at one of them and he smiled. At that same moment, a 50-year old man and his beer-gutted buddy passed by and tapped me on the shoulder, saying hello. I looked back at the baseball cap guy and he was still smiling. No wait, he was laughing. And so were his friends. At me.

Later on, I noticed two more men, who we didn't want to meet, walking over to us. Don't these guys have wives? Or lumber to cut? I picked up my cell phone and began talking, in a last-ditch effort to deter them. Unfortunately at that moment, the phone rang and more laughter was sent in my direction.

Although we didn't find any guys with whom to spend our valuable time with, we did learn a few things. Clearly, our future lovers have a bedtime of 10 p.m. Clearly if we were to find our future lovers at the Maddy, we would have to remember that they have a bedtime of 10 p.m. Also, it is never okay to pretend to talk on a cell phone to make people go away.

This trip to the Maddy also made me think about some other things. We did get approached a number of times. This confirmed the fact that we were attractive, or at least that we looked female enough. We weren't exactly welcoming to the prospect of these less than perfect guys. So were our standards still too high? Was it us? Did we subconsciously send signals saying that we did not want to be approached? We had resolved to get out there and meet people but yet we sat in the corner and rolled our eyes at every person who approached us who didn't have qualities to be THE ONE. It seemed like every outing turned into the same story - plot, setting and characters.

Then I wondered - why were we different? Why didn't we date casually like everyone else around us? People around us seem very content with going on dates with Mr. So-So…even if they didn't have that amazing "crush" feeling when you really, really, really want to talk to the person all the time, when your stomach flutters when they say the exact quirky and funny thing that you were thinking, when you hope that they like you back. Where do you draw the line? Do you settle for "anything's better than nothing"? If we accepted every offer, we'd date all the time - a whole string of dates that go nowhere. And that's a waste of time. Is it possible to just adjust your standards and keep an open mind, without compromising your integrity and your value?

Maybe it was us...our minds weren't as open as we thought they were. Maybe it was the environment and we were too used to it. Or maybe we didn't know what we were looking for, and thus lost out on a lot of prospects because the guys we saw were different from our norms. Or at least different from our ex-boyfriends, who, for a time, we actually liked. We can't always base what we want on what we had previously. After a relationship ends, you don't always know what you want. In the relationship, you thought you had it. And when it has ended, it's gone…you could have a whole new set of ideas or requirements. This was something we hadn't thought about seriously because we were so caught up on thinking that we probably had to find guys who were like our friends or our exes, or like the guys we'd been around for the past five years at university.

The point is…the guys are out there. We just aren't necessarily putting our best faces forward all the time - our best, untainted, non-judgemental faces. More than being unfair to the guys, it's unfair to us. The realization hit that it's not possible to hunt for something that isn't even defined.

Since the year was young, we considered trying something completely different. We decided to become born-again virgins…of the dating scene. Because let's face it - you always have a story about your first time. And even if it's not the best story, at least it's one that hasn't been told before. ¤ Dani

[G'sUp2000]

(12-05-2012 08:57 AM)Apollo2 Wrote:  

Just read this article. Is this the mindset of a typical Toronto single girl?

http://www.happygrrls.com/relating/singlegirl2.html

Quote:

At the beginning of the New Year, I made a resolution. I was no longer going to sit at home and lament as to why I could not find a decent single guy, either to date, or to just be friends with, and hence by association date his similarly decent friends. Instead, I was going to go out and find him. I knew this would turn into an exhausting venture, a literal "manhunt". Would I even do anything if I found him? Or was I just on an obsessive quest to prove that he actually exists? I had also vowed to take the garbage out every day, so as to avoid the temptation of old pizza boxes, and, more recently, leftovers from Swiss Chalet. If that had worked, maybe the manhunt would, too.

Though we had also resolved to not venture to the Maddy for quite a while, my friend and I decided to check the bar out again. After all, it was a New Year, and thus there were probably new men there who were casually leaning on the piano, or playing pool, all awaiting our arrival. Our reasoning was simple, illogical, and good enough for us.

We headed to the Maddy on a Thursday night, thinking that both university students and working guys would be there. We arrived around 11 p.m., with hungry eyes - for nachos. We wandered around the many floors of the bar, unsuccessful in finding a table. We then settled into a booth on the heated patio and ordered drinks and nachos. We took stock of the talent surrounding us - unattractive guys, guys with girls, uninteresting guys, and of course, no guys. That's when we noticed a sign on our table - Ladies Night, 9 p.m. - 11 p.m. We had missed it.

At one point, I found myself at eye-level with an old, foreign man's ass. He turned and blew smoke into my face, and that's when I knew that it wasn't meant to be.

I put my feet up on the booth and gave up on looking remotely sexy or coquettish - clearly "the man" was not to be found at the Maddy. That's when I noticed something. The guys behind us - they were looking. And they looked all right, even fun. And they were wearing baseball caps. I looked at one of them and he smiled. At that same moment, a 50-year old man and his beer-gutted buddy passed by and tapped me on the shoulder, saying hello. I looked back at the baseball cap guy and he was still smiling. No wait, he was laughing. And so were his friends. At me.

Later on, I noticed two more men, who we didn't want to meet, walking over to us. Don't these guys have wives? Or lumber to cut? I picked up my cell phone and began talking, in a last-ditch effort to deter them. Unfortunately at that moment, the phone rang and more laughter was sent in my direction.

Although we didn't find any guys with whom to spend our valuable time with, we did learn a few things. Clearly, our future lovers have a bedtime of 10 p.m. Clearly if we were to find our future lovers at the Maddy, we would have to remember that they have a bedtime of 10 p.m. Also, it is never okay to pretend to talk on a cell phone to make people go away.

This trip to the Maddy also made me think about some other things. We did get approached a number of times. This confirmed the fact that we were attractive, or at least that we looked female enough. We weren't exactly welcoming to the prospect of these less than perfect guys. So were our standards still too high? Was it us? Did we subconsciously send signals saying that we did not want to be approached? We had resolved to get out there and meet people but yet we sat in the corner and rolled our eyes at every person who approached us who didn't have qualities to be THE ONE. It seemed like every outing turned into the same story - plot, setting and characters.

Then I wondered - why were we different? Why didn't we date casually like everyone else around us? People around us seem very content with going on dates with Mr. So-So…even if they didn't have that amazing "crush" feeling when you really, really, really want to talk to the person all the time, when your stomach flutters when they say the exact quirky and funny thing that you were thinking, when you hope that they like you back. Where do you draw the line? Do you settle for "anything's better than nothing"? If we accepted every offer, we'd date all the time - a whole string of dates that go nowhere. And that's a waste of time. Is it possible to just adjust your standards and keep an open mind, without compromising your integrity and your value?

Maybe it was us...our minds weren't as open as we thought they were. Maybe it was the environment and we were too used to it. Or maybe we didn't know what we were looking for, and thus lost out on a lot of prospects because the guys we saw were different from our norms. Or at least different from our ex-boyfriends, who, for a time, we actually liked. We can't always base what we want on what we had previously. After a relationship ends, you don't always know what you want. In the relationship, you thought you had it. And when it has ended, it's gone…you could have a whole new set of ideas or requirements. This was something we hadn't thought about seriously because we were so caught up on thinking that we probably had to find guys who were like our friends or our exes, or like the guys we'd been around for the past five years at university.

The point is…the guys are out there. We just aren't necessarily putting our best faces forward all the time - our best, untainted, non-judgemental faces. More than being unfair to the guys, it's unfair to us. The realization hit that it's not possible to hunt for something that isn't even defined.

Since the year was young, we considered trying something completely different. We decided to become born-again virgins…of the dating scene. Because let's face it - you always have a story about your first time. And even if it's not the best story, at least it's one that hasn't been told before. ¤ Dani

If every Toronto female is like this than God help us all, lol. Wow all of that thinking just to go out for one damn night. Yeah that seems about right though, i'd say that sums it up well. Can't just go out have a good time and see where the night goes or the weekend goes. Too much thinking and second guessing and bullshit mixed in between. What happened to the girl that is fun, sexy, and living in the moment of what could be every time she goes out?

As I said before, my most enjoyable experiences have been with females that aren't from Toronto. I remember I met 2 chicks a little while back, out at a bar. 1 Toronto chick, and her girl was a Aussie chick. And you know how that went, had a ONs with the Aussie chick while my boy that was with me got the cold shoulder from the Toronto chick when we went back to their place, lol. Felt bad for my boy, because the whole time at the bar the Toronto chick was giving my boy signals, and we got them back to their apartment. The Aussie chick was all over me, but the Toronto chick flaked out on my boy and started acting weird and shit.

[Moma]

Bumping this thread with this video that I was meant to post..I don't know if it relates to all of Canada but I think most of these cats immigrated to Toronto or the GTA to say the least..

[bullocks]

I always laugh at these Toronto threads. I was born and raised in Toronto and never had problems getting pussy. Their are alot of hot chicks here, and of course tons of immigrants and ugly ones. Maybe if you're coming in cold it might be hard but for me i never had complaints. Maybe the flake rate a bit but besides that none really. Also, if you leave Toronto and visit other parts of southern ontario there are tons of hot white chicks.

[Moma]

(07-24-2014 01:02 AM)bullocks Wrote:  

I always laugh at these Toronto threads. I was born and raised in Toronto and never had problems getting pussy. Their are alot of hot chicks here, and of course tons of immigrants and ugly ones. Maybe if you're coming in cold it might be hard but for me i never had complaints. Maybe the flake rate a bit but besides that none really. Also, if you leave Toronto and visit other parts of southern ontario there are tons of hot white chicks.

Yup, you didn't even read the thread. I'll simplify it, put up a lay sheet for the last six months including approximate time invested

[richler]

(10-13-2012 04:02 PM)metalhaze Wrote:  

Well the main difference between Montreal and Toronto, is that Toronto is a newer city, and is the financial and economic center of Canada as well as being the biggest city there (Montreal is second). So you have a lot of ambitious people going there to advance their careers and the mentality is very Anglo-Saxon.

So you could say that some people are more materialistic and capitalist there than in Montreal which has more of an easy going ,laissez-faire attitude (except when it comes to "protecting the french language" but that'c another topic).

That's probably why Women there take themselves more seriously than in Montreal. In my opinion.

If you read books from Montreal pre-1980, when it was Canada's largest city and corporate center, it still seemed to have that joie de vivre, or it was reputed to have it, anyway.

Leonard Cohen came out of what was then Canada's metropolis in every sense; he could never have come out of Toronto.

[Hamsterchoker]

Toronto is the preview of what the western world is going to be as "pick up" becomes saturated. Toronto women's bitchy attitude their counter-measure against PUAs. Toronto is the place where "pick up" first took off and became mainstream. Is the women's bitchy attitude a coincidence? I think not. Rather than urge guys to get into game, I think it is better to protect our pussy sanctuary and hope the others guys can remain clueless betas glued to their PS4 controllers.

[jackleballs]

(07-24-2014 01:02 AM)bullocks Wrote:  

I always laugh at these Toronto threads. I was born and raised in Toronto and never had problems getting pussy. Their are alot of hot chicks here, and of course tons of immigrants and ugly ones. Maybe if you're coming in cold it might be hard but for me i never had complaints. Maybe the flake rate a bit but besides that none really. Also, if you leave Toronto and visit other parts of southern ontario there are tons of hot white chicks.

Being born and raised there, you have a big advantage. You know where to go. You probably have a gigantic social circle.

If you're some out of town guy hanging out downtown thinking you'll pick up easily, you're bound to be disappointed.

[RedGuard]

Hey everyone,

I'm soon going to check out Toronto, really curious if the situation about girls there is really that bad... However it's not my main purpose why I'm going there. I'm gonna be a student in Toronto from September to December. But seriously, it can't be worse than Switzerland! I've been travelling a lot and I've never come across a country where the girls are so stuck up like in my home country! Many of them take old-fashioned conventions too seriously and just seeking LTR.

Anyways, as I have a severe case of yellow fever, I'm more than tempted to pull Asian girls in Toronto. Are there many of them and are they more likely to be DTF than other ethnicities in Toronto?
Additionally, it will most likely be helpful to be part of the international exchange student community there, as all of them are searching for friends as well.
Furthermore, I want to be serious about Tinder game for the first time. I've practiced text game and checked out different locations on Tinder, but never actually went for the meet-up (Tinder is crap in my home country haha). Have you been successful on Tinder in Toronto?

I have excellent logistics at least for the first few weeks I'm staying in Toronto (IFFT will take place during this time as well), so hoping to get some advice to be successful.
How would you rate my strageties?

RedGuard

Btw, there is some solid information on this forum! I've been a reader for a while and could improve my game with some priceless advice from this forum. Keep up the good work!

[Captain Gh]

I almost stopped reading at it can't be worse than Switzerland! It is! Since you're a man who'll get treated like shit here, no exception. I used to be you aka the new guy with the upbeat attitude that wanted to crack the Toronto code of gaming since I fallowed the dating advice from the best of the best! I still love gaming... and I reluctantly do it in Toronto. Toronto is a beast that eats your soul that you'll try to fight off... but no man can fight a beast 24/7! You'll be a student so hopefully your situation won't be that bad

[RedGuard]

Damn... Somehow I'm not looking forward to my stay there that much.
So I'll go for the tourists, foreigners and FOBs. I'm sure there is a whole bunch of them.
Which places and what kind of girls should I avoid?

[HankRearden]

Toronto is better than Switzerland, don't worry.

Just hit up the Madi, Gracies, Dance Cave, The Drake, The Brunny, etc and you'll be fine.

[Big Country]

Having lived here for five years there is a lot in this thread that I can agree with but then again there are a few things that I can't.

Social circle game is definitely the easiest way into most lays. Being friends with people that work as bartenders has been a godsend, so I've been lucky in that respect. However, the reality is that often times girls will share the same guy knowingly. It really is the 80%-20% in full force. I've deduced that this is because of the thirsty guys that hound these girls while they are working. So they like knowing that we are "safe". Oddly, guys think it's better to hit on waitresses and bartenders instead of the other girls around them.

Cold approaching is not as easy as other places granted, but you can still follow the traditional mindset of looking for IOI's which will cut down on a lot of wasted time and energy. If I have a girl eyeing me, it's pretty near certain that if I approach she'll be open to it. Most guys, in clubs at least, have one move, and that is getting up behind the girl and timidly initiating a grind. These rarely turn out good.

There are a lot of passive guys as well, especially the white ones. When I am out I rarely see a guy approach from the front, which strikes me as crazy, but I can get that the fear is strong in most of them. This is both a positive and a negative. One it allows guys who openly approach to do better, yet at the same time it is very easy to give off a creepy vibe just because you are in stark contrast to most guys. These girls like having their bubbles popped only by guys who can offer them something, whether that be looks or money.

I'll just give an outline of a few of my favourite spots.

Clubs:

The Hoxton - Trendy and pretentious, yet has no real dress code, which I find great. I personally do very well as the under dressed guy in a t-shirt and shorts/jeans. Too many long sleeve button ups and slacks wearing dudes. Mostly electronic music which a couple years ago was a great scene but now has been infiltrated due to its becoming more mainstream. Drinks are fairly expensive and the music is loud so approaches on the dance floor are difficult, but not impossible. My best luck has been plopping down on one of the couches near the back or across from the bar when there is a group of girls sitting there on their phones. Also dancing near the front but turning away from the DJ and looking at the crowd.

Guvernment - Rave heaven, if that's your thing. Plenty of Asians, but also plenty of Asian dealers who will fuck you up if you hassle their women. Seems like they are house dealers. Plenty of good DJ's coming through, but the sense I get is that it is a lot of the suburbia packing in. I've only gone a few times for DJ's I like and have not had much success. I'm not heavily into Asians so my choices are much less than they would be. If you want to fly, it's as good a place as any. It's fairly out of the way, being closer to the lake and away from the downtown core. Getting a cab after 2 is impossible.

Tattoo Rock Parlour - I like to think of this place as the catch-all for all white people music. You get a lot of classic rock mixed in with some current pop and 90's punk pop. If you like dancing in the span of 10 minutes to Boston, Beyonce, Nirvana, and Blink-182 you can have fun. I have a good bit of luck with older women here. Drinks are moderately priced and the vibe is very laid back. Lots of impromptu sing along's.

Richmond Street clubland: I don't frequent these clubs often enough to give a detailed breakdown of each, but in general it's a pretty typical club vibe. Lots of Top-40 of course. Dance game is important. Being a "baller" is perhaps more important. I usually only go when there is an event happening in which a large group of my friends are going. Had good outcomes during student nights. Very easy place to get a ONS if your logistics and game are right. Good for both the lone wolfs and wing man situations.

Bars/Pubs:

The Brunswick House(Brunny) - Pretty fun spot that is more clubby than bar but does have available seating away from the dance floor. Very popular during the school year as it is close to U of T. Plenty of underage girls, so be wary. As a result of the clientele it is a very sloppy place. Easy for quick make-outs. Lot of aggressive younger guys who seem like they are trying to prove a point. Bouncers are not the best. Music is so-so, but drinks are pretty cheap. If you're under 25 it is definitely a must do on a Thursday during the school year.

The Madison House(Maddy) - Huge multi-level bar with a variety of different zones and bar tops. Nice large outdoor patio. Gets very packed, and line-ups can be huge. Drinks are decently priced. Larger variety of ages here, but is still right in the area of U of T. A couple pool tables are scattered around, which is where I usually pull from. Patio is good for smokers. Better to come with a group of friends instead of alone. Unlike everything else I've listed, it is open during the day, but it is usually a few older guys drinking alone and small groups having lunch. Also a place to go for sure.

Sneaky Dee's - The king of alternative bars. Serving staff is hit or miss, if you look the "right" way you get treated well. Lower floor is a restaurant with some greasy, satisfying Mexican food. Upstairs is a dance floor that has a variety of nights, ranging from hip-hop to metal. Cheap house beer is always good for those on a budget. Closely located to Kensington Market which is one of the better places for day/street game. Kind of shady neighbourhood though. Gaming is not so easy here, but the best part is people watching, and there are infrequent opportunities to approach. Best scenario is a group of friends sitting at one of the long booths near the back and having a nearby group of girls that you can open.

Queen Street West - The nicest and longest strip of bars in the city, each with their own flavour and clientele. I'd say doing a bar crawl from Black Bull all the way down to the Drake is a pretty fun way to spend a Friday afternoon into night. The further west you get the more hipster it gets. Some are just holes in the wall while others are more upscale. Approaching is pretty easy in these places, and smoking sections are gold mines. Not too many patios available along the street but there are a few large ones. Drink prices will fluctuate depending on the interior and bar selection. There is a moderate dead zone around Bathurst street. Just keep on walking west.

Other Places Worth Going

Real Sports Bar - The biggest bar in the city, has four distinct sections: One for sit down lunch/dinner, large bar area with a massive TV near the back, upstairs with a mixture of seating and bar area, and the best place for approaching is the first bar you encounter on the left. After 4pm and before 7pm on game nights (Leafs/Raptors) it gets packed. Suit game is definitely recommended. Can't comment on approaches, I just go for the sports. Seems to be a large number of older chicks off work. Wing man game almost a necessity.

The Distillery District - Pretty cool place to bring a date, out of the way though. Features a number of old breweries which are now bars and restaurants. It has a nice relaxed vibe and walking around is fun. Kind of expensive though. More of a place where you can visit once and be satisfied.

Yonge and Eglinton - A more upscale location. Mostly see cougars to be honest. There are a few intimate pubs but not much else. Not as tightly packed as downtown, which can be both good and bad. Day/street game is suggested. If you're feeling burnt out from the pace of Queen St it is a nice diversion. More car friendly.

King Street West - A fancier version of Queen Street West. More bistros and upscale bars. Some decent clubs around. King and John is a nice area to walk through during TIFF as the main festival building is on the northwest corner. I'd say business attire is more appropriate, but there are small spots where hipsters have taken over. Not as fun to walk as Queen West and you generally encounter colder women. Not a must see year round, but it has its moments.

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One thing to keep in mind is that Toronto has a large variety of what I consider specialty spots. What I mean by that is certain bars and clubs attract a certain type whether that be emo/goth or thug. These places can be fun in a revealing sort of way in that you see girls and guys who clearly have one type. Unless you fit into that stereotype or enjoy being the odd man out I'd pass on most of these places.

Well I hope this helps some people out and perhaps gets Toronto off people's shit list. It's not all bad.

[Espresso]

Speaking of TIFF (the big film festival), there will be lots of celebrities in town while it's on (Sep 4th - Sep 14th this year). And as such, there'll be a bunch of exclusive parties during that time. My question is, has anybody been able to get through the red tape and get into one of these parties? It should be easy enough to find out where they'll be at, but getting past the bouncers would be hard as f#ck I imagine, without some sort of "in".

Does anyone know how to do this?

[rudebwoy]

@Redguard - Toronto is a good city with decent talent.
We have loads of Asians, so you should be more than happy. Many of them study at the U of T. You have the right idea, meet other young students that are here to study.

You are here for a few months, you will have a good time. I don't use Tinder personally, it would be a good backup tool. If you have good logistics then that would be key.

The main thing is you are foreign, you are from Switzerland for god sakes. Most peasants in this city could not afford to go there.