[TheBMan]

(12-01-2017 10:34 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

23 notches for 2017. Very minimal instagram with a total of nine pictures. Not one was met through instagram.

For someone very new to IG what are the mechanics behind an IG bang? You follow some random in your city because she #hashtags something you both have in common, start sending direct messages, meet out later and go from there?

[meetjoeblack]

(04-08-2017 07:47 PM)Sleek2b Wrote:  

By not being on it, am i in some ways limiting my options to date 9+ women?

I don't have it. I am also 30. I can't use tinder because of that fact or bumble. I prefer actual pickup. I've seen grown ass men shit their pants when it comes to cold approach. It is pretty funny especially when they use steroids. Terrified of women.

[MaceTyrell]

What are some example IG DM openers?

[the-dream]

SourceCode, Putin Closes and anyone else who attributes Instagram to some of their successes with women, at many followers did it become a big asset to you?

Also, how do you deal with girls who you just wanted a quick fling with still seeing your updates? Has there been any headaches or blowback with that?

[Putin Closes]

I'd say 10K would be a good jumping off point, but its really just a validation tool from chicks to make sure your not "Fake" . Some girls in Asia have accused me of catfishing and asked me to follow their accounts. What matters are your pictures and what kind of lifestyle you can convey.

[True Balla]

I would say that at 1k likes it starts making a difference. I got by first totally random IG bang at around 4k followers / 1k likes. My bot had followed some chick who DM'd me and we texted all day. She booked a flight down the next night to come in around two weeks. I ran comfort game slowly over 2 weeks and we had a great weekend fling the whole time she was here. When she flew back I let her know I'm not looking for anything serious which she wanted, but that she can come visit anytime. She wants to come down again in the winter when it starts snowing in Iowa since I live in a warm weather area.

After her, I had DM'd a pretty hot Indian girl off IG in Pennsylvania (Im indian too so worth a flight for me cuz she was super hot and wifey material). I had 1 mutual friend and 4k followers. We talked for a few days and then I flew up to go see her. We had sex all weekend and then I came back. She let me down and told me she doesn't want a long distance. However, I got my weekend fling and had a great time. While I was up there she had told me she gets DM'd a lot but only responded to me cuz I had nice pics, mutual friends, and lots of followers to validate me as not being creepy.

I also got another super hot model looking girl off IG that was local. That lasted about a month and then lost her because she didn't feel an emotional connection. Still worth it!

Those are the only IG bangs I've gotten even tho I've put in a lot more effort into it. However, the quality I'm chasing now is the 8's/9's so it's just way more work. I will say tho there is a big difference for me internally as well. It just makes me way more confident and gives me instant credibility.

I was out last night hitting on some girl who was sitting on a chair on Instagram. My opener was asking if shes on instagram and told her to add me. She saw my page and was like 'So you like to travel?'. It was just a smooth convo starter. Although she's super hot and has like 22k followers lol

^But that's pretty much the jist of it. Whenever I go out now, I just Instagram close and the reactions are always really positive when they see my travel pics and follower count etc. My IG originated bangs would be a lot higher but Im a 5'8 indian guy trying to close 8's/9's. Its an uphill battle.

[TheBMan]

Ok - so those of you running IG game - do you set your profile to private then basically just allow anyone to follow, or do you keep it open and public?

[Only8sandup]

Not one lay (out of many) this year met through IG. Meh, I believe in online game actually too, but going out and getting girls during day/night from straight up cold approach - those are the most memorable and give you that exciting ass feeling lasting days, if not weeks and months and years.

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Insta does game for you. Same with SnapC. Like, you just shoot a shot or vid of how you live. For me, its all about getting fucking DEEZEDDDDDDDDD! Show her how you live. Like, all I want to do is get gains. I enjoy music so EDM festivals like EDC are my thing. Also, chicks are wearing next to nothing practically begging to catch it. Perfect time to rage and after party. I know most people hibernate now but, I like my winter get aways. My boys and I also go away before or just after Christmas. We do a chalet up North. Usually, airbnb and its only the boys. Kegger, tons of beers, eats, and its wild. I love to hit the slopes too. I can't wait to get my board out this year for the first time. We do dinner on the strip and then, this place turns into a bar or club at the end of the night. By 11 or maybe midnight, we are just parading through the bar and seeing who is coming back with us.
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Funny story. One year, I pulled this girl back. It was after 1am. We just got there. Its simple invite, Julien style - "after party!" A little bit of urgency and some initiative. Just hand, lead to the door, and gone! Halfway back, this chick is all anti slut mode. "Just so you know, I am not a slut" speech. I kid you not, this skank was not in my chalet for 20min. She is getting naked, twerking on tables, doing keg stands, and attempting to initiate a three way with my boy and I.

Just say, its not gay unless you cross swords. She caught hell!

After the weekend was over, we were all trashed, and I spent the last night tripping balls on mushroms. We got the funny idea to use tinder and see who were can get over. I kid you not, the first chick that we match with was the "I'm not a slut" hoe. The one that needed to get tag teamed. Too funny. It still cracks me up. Girl was 22. Looked late twenties. Party girl lifestyle will do a number.

[Jagnum]

(12-05-2017 07:54 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(11-13-2017 03:39 PM)Vinny Wrote:  

I got an explanation as well, it was self promotion and the fact that IG game contradicts Roosh's values. Which is fine since this forum belongs to him and he is one to make the rules, to which I will abide.

Of course I feel it is unfair since I got permission and since in my opinion I always gave back to community in terms of actionable advice, numerous freebies and new revolutionary game ways which work!

Since the IG is basically a forbidden topic I asked Roosh for a permission to redirect people to another place where they could talk about IG. To which I also received a permission and it is linked in my signature.

Yea I am offended and discouraged to provide value to this forum in the future. Since I always felt I did what is right even asking permission for every major step. If the rules can change at any time on a whim it will result in chaos.

So are we now no longer allowed to discuss the use of instagram on this forum?

I'm not sure. The last two guys who posted on this thread were banned, but who knows what else they might have been doing. I didn't see anything on the forum rules on Instagram discussions.

I, for one, would like to know if anyone has done the following: finding girls on Tinder, Bumble, clicking the link to their Instagrams, following the girl there, and then sending her your first message over Instagram. Wondering if anyone's done this with success.

[True Balla]

(12-18-2017 07:34 PM)Jagnum Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 07:54 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(11-13-2017 03:39 PM)Vinny Wrote:  

I got an explanation as well, it was self promotion and the fact that IG game contradicts Roosh's values. Which is fine since this forum belongs to him and he is one to make the rules, to which I will abide.

Of course I feel it is unfair since I got permission and since in my opinion I always gave back to community in terms of actionable advice, numerous freebies and new revolutionary game ways which work!

Since the IG is basically a forbidden topic I asked Roosh for a permission to redirect people to another place where they could talk about IG. To which I also received a permission and it is linked in my signature.

Yea I am offended and discouraged to provide value to this forum in the future. Since I always felt I did what is right even asking permission for every major step. If the rules can change at any time on a whim it will result in chaos.

So are we now no longer allowed to discuss the use of instagram on this forum?

I'm not sure. The last two guys who posted on this thread were banned, but who knows what else they might have been doing. I didn't see anything on the forum rules on Instagram discussions.

I, for one, would like to know if anyone has done the following: finding girls on Tinder, Bumble, clicking the link to their Instagrams, following the girl there, and then sending her your first message over Instagram. Wondering if anyone's done this with success.

I have. But its like 1/20ish (haven't counted, only 1 success from one I found off bumble, got a few leads in the works tho...so that could improve ratio), but that's just from the ones that followed back. Which is prob 10-20% chance. I don't even message them if they don't follow back. They'll get unfollowed eventually

[RagnarLothbrok]

A lot of guys do that. The average instagram girl with a public profile gets anything between 10 to 50 DMs from thirsty guys per day. I am sure a lot of them come from Tinder.

[pancakemouse]

(12-18-2017 07:34 PM)Jagnum Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 07:54 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(11-13-2017 03:39 PM)Vinny Wrote:  

I got an explanation as well, it was self promotion and the fact that IG game contradicts Roosh's values. Which is fine since this forum belongs to him and he is one to make the rules, to which I will abide.

Of course I feel it is unfair since I got permission and since in my opinion I always gave back to community in terms of actionable advice, numerous freebies and new revolutionary game ways which work!

Since the IG is basically a forbidden topic I asked Roosh for a permission to redirect people to another place where they could talk about IG. To which I also received a permission and it is linked in my signature.

Yea I am offended and discouraged to provide value to this forum in the future. Since I always felt I did what is right even asking permission for every major step. If the rules can change at any time on a whim it will result in chaos.

So are we now no longer allowed to discuss the use of instagram on this forum?

I'm not sure. The last two guys who posted on this thread were banned, but who knows what else they might have been doing. I didn't see anything on the forum rules on Instagram discussions.

I, for one, would like to know if anyone has done the following: finding girls on Tinder, Bumble, clicking the link to their Instagrams, following the girl there, and then sending her your first message over Instagram. Wondering if anyone's done this with success.

Yes. It's mostly a waste of time. I've actually kept detailed stats on it because I wanted to see how it compared to messaging girls on Tinder directly:

In San Francisco:
- 1 in 20 girls follow back. (This is actually extremely low and reflects the horrible casual sex market here. In other US cities figure 1 in 10 will follow back if you have a great profile, 1 in 5 if you're in a low tier city where you seem like a god if you have followers int he thousands)
- Of those girls, 1 in 3 are hot enough to actually send an opener
- Of those girls, half respond to the opener
- Of those girls, half stop responding after a few messages
- What remains are 1-2 girls who will give you their number and agree to a date.
- Of those girls, both will flake.

So of 1500 girls followed, if you do the math, you're left with your dick in your hand.

[treypound]

I really did not focus on using my IG in 2017, and after reading the mixed results here, not sure if I will next year. A younger buddy of mine (He's 25) absolutely kills it on IG and Snap, averaging 1 bang/mo from each of hot girls. He also portrays a lifestyle that attracts a certain type of woman, with everything from "workout videos" which show women he takes care of himself, to pics of his audi after he washes it. Visual marketing as I tell him lol.

[Jagnum]

Thanks all. Goes to show that daygame is still king.

Even Vinny talks about using Instagram second only to daygame, as a means for closing and giving girls that social proof.

But he maintains it religiously, and I don't. Especially when you have to do a lot, to see results coming from IG.


As for sending DM to girls, I wouldn't wait for them to follow you back - I'd DM her if her profile's is public. If private, then yes obviously.

I haven't done this on a mass scale, but if it's as bad as @corsega suggests, it's something like 1 in 6 respond to your first message, and none will go on a date?

Sounds like I should do more work improving my Tinder profile, which I thought was fine, because I had professional photos taken, but I haven't been seeing results.

Two months of online dating in late 2017:

Not a single date from Tinder in two months, with about 70 matches...

One date from Bumble, but not in my home city.

Any of you consistently succeed with online game? Send me a PM if you are. I'm willing to share my profile, and open to advice.

[pancakemouse]

(12-21-2017 03:22 PM)Jagnum Wrote:  

Any of you consistently succeed with online game? Send me a PM if you are. I'm willing to share my profile, and open to advice.

PM me your Tinder profile, I'm happy to take a look. I have 20+ notches this year from online.

This goes for anyone reading this thread. Also happy to review people's Instagrams.

[Roosh]

(11-13-2017 03:39 PM)Vinny Wrote:  

(11-13-2017 12:46 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 08:31 PM)corsega Wrote:  

I hate to bump this thread because of the terrible title, but anyone know why all the other Instagram threads were closed?

A mod would have to answer this, but I suspect it's because Vinny was advertising a paid service on those threads and might not have had permission.

Every self promotional thread I have started was only started after a written permission from Roosh.

Forum rules state that you can only start 1 self-promo thread. Vinny hijacked more than that to self-promote his business. He was warned about it (1 week ban), and then has responded with the above lie. I have the PMs saved where I stated he cannot start multiple self-promo threads.

This is what he asked:

Quote:

Here is the list of things I would like to do in the future, please let me know which is OK and which is not OK.

1. Create a blog and post a link in my signature.
2. Start a thread offering a FREE daygame advice to collect reference whether I am suitable for this role.
3. Start a thread offering a FREE IG game and IG growth advice to collect the reference.
4. Start a thread announcing opening of my blog once it is ready with your approval.

This is what I replied:

Quote:

Point 1 is fine. Point 4 is also fine, and there you can add in points 2 and 3 within the same thread instead of creating separate threads.

There is no place here for a member who lies about what I told him.

[pancakemouse]

(12-21-2017 07:29 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(11-13-2017 03:39 PM)Vinny Wrote:  

(11-13-2017 12:46 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 08:31 PM)corsega Wrote:  

I hate to bump this thread because of the terrible title, but anyone know why all the other Instagram threads were closed?

A mod would have to answer this, but I suspect it's because Vinny was advertising a paid service on those threads and might not have had permission.

Every self promotional thread I have started was only started after a written permission from Roosh.

Forum rules state that you can only start 1 self-promo thread. Vinny hijacked more than that to self-promote his business. He was warned about it (1 week ban), and then has responded with the above lie. I have the PMs saved where I stated he cannot start multiple self-promo threads.

This is what he asked:

Quote:

Here is the list of things I would like to do in the future, please let me know which is OK and which is not OK.

1. Create a blog and post a link in my signature.
2. Start a thread offering a FREE daygame advice to collect reference whether I am suitable for this role.
3. Start a thread offering a FREE IG game and IG growth advice to collect the reference.
4. Start a thread announcing opening of my blog once it is ready with your approval.

This is what I replied:

Quote:

Point 1 is fine. Point 4 is also fine, and there you can add in points 2 and 3 within the same thread instead of creating separate threads.

There is no place here for a member who lies about what I told him.

Roosh, would it be cool if we closed this thread and I started a new thread with a more balanced approach to Instagram? It's not "compulsory" for online dating like this thread suggests, that's laughable.

But more just about general strategies about how to build your Instagram profile as a supplement to daygame, nightgame, and online game.

[PuaRonin]

It may have just been a misunderstanding on Vinny's part. I hope he is not pema-banned as he has made many posts that have given value to the forum, and has demonstrated a lot of maturity and respect from what I've seen. I would hope that 2 level headed guys like roosh and vinny can work things out. It would be a great demonstration of what the forum stands for.

[Drix]

I also think as PuaRonin, I respect Roosh’s rules, but It is sad that Vinny has been banned. He made a lot of contributions(especially daygame topic) and helped members in and out the forum.

I don’t know if Vinny can return to the forum, Some people would miss him.

[Franks]

After having contributed to multiple threads, guides, and shared thoughts among members in the forum, there must be a disconnect somewhere along the lines. With some quality threads like,

Instagram Datasheet annual update by Vinny (2017 Edition)
Datasheet: Pick-up Russian style. Western game vs Russian game
Vinny's World Travel Log

There's only information shared with the rest of the members. So how can a respected member out of these three guides, compiled up to 10000 words, with all-meat and no fluff, be banned?

With members saying:
I appreciate Vinny's instagram advice. As he mentioned it's just another tool. I can cold approach night or day, have had success from both, also have had success through my social circle. I'm doing cool stuff anyway, might as well share it with the world. ~IntrovertSigma

Just dropping by to thank Vinny for his contributions to the forum on Instagram game. I know his pioneering ideas have proved to be seminal (in every sense) for many forum members. Vinny gave me some great personalized advice and I'm now reaping the rewards. I highly recommend you get Vinny to take a look at your profile - he pointed out some things that have definitely maximized the impact for me. Remember, it's not all about the number of followers or likes you have - it's all about conveying overall value.

If you're not on the Instagram train, you're missing out. Don't think it's too late - start today and within a few months you'll be enjoying the results.~potential1

Dropping a line or two of appreciation to Vinny for helping me out in Kiev a couple of weeks ago.~fenetre

I'm sure it doesn't stop there either. With rep points tallied up from members on the forum.

I don't believe someone would risk their place here with good track record and travel logs to show the kind of member he is.

A contributor.

Don't believe it until you've read some of Vinny's posts on daygame and IG.

I'm just one member here and I know Vinny has brought great value on the forum. Others would have wanted to see him continue his work.

Was the ban for what he helped the members with?

[eL-JJ]

His ban seems like a hugh misunderstanding to me.

[Roosh]

Franks and Drix have been suspended for trying to subvert a ban decision without giving full disclosure that they are actually friends with Vinny who they have hung out with in person.

Quote:

Roosh, would it be cool if we closed this thread and I started a new thread with a more balanced approach to Instagram?

That makes the most sense. This thread will be locked.