[WoeMachine]

I recently took the red-pill on Game when a 21 year old started temporary at my work and I couldn't understand why she wasn't into me. I started researching who to attract people etc and found out about Game and KINO etc.

I actually applied this in my interactions with her (I'm 31) and couldn't believe that it seemed to be working. Finally on her last day, we'd been vibing all day and she seemed to be into me, dropping hints about her parents saying she needs to be with an older guy etc. So I went for it and asked if she wanted to go to a gig sometime, she blushed, said yeah and I was super psyched, told her "Cool, keep in touch" and walked off. This is the part where I thank you guys for showing me the light, I just messed things up for myself after this.

Next day she texted me, and I left it 5 hours before replying. A few days/texts later, she was talking about spending too much time studying so I text her when is she free? And she just ignored me for a day+ until I genuinely accidentally walked past her in the city.

I've been pissed off with myself for a few days now. But I have been making progress, no cold approaches but I've been more sociable, going outside more and interacting. Forced myself out to a bar by myself last night, but there were just no viable females and I was not in the right frame to be sociable.

I know everybody probably says this but I'm in above-average shape, and am decent looking & witty. My biggest problem is motivation to "hunt" I only got red-pilled because this chick was 21, has had 2 partners and I idealized her because she was accessible/cool.

I know I probably need to swallow my pride and just get laid some. I've never had problems before getting with girls, except I've turned down sure things like 10+ times in my life, because I wasn't interested in relationship pair-bonding with them.

What's the solution here? All I want is a viable, cool, relationship with a younger girl with a low lay-count. That's my end game, even if it ends with a heart-wrenching break up after my turn is over.

Is that unrealistic? I'm 31 but people think I'm 24-26 when they meet me.

[Baphomet]

You don't say what happened when you saw her "in the city." Did you not approach her?

[Jason55]

I never understood the whole wait X number of hours before responding or whatever. I think just be direct, don't wait, and get what you want. Don't say when are you free? Say I am free on this day, and we will get together and do this. Have something cool/fun ready.

[WoeMachine]

(04-07-2017 08:29 AM)Baphomet Wrote:  

You don't say what happened when you saw her "in the city." Did you not approach her?

I turned around when a car beeped or something and she was about 25 meters away on the other side of a busy street. So I text her:

Me: "Did you just walk past me on _____ Road"?
Her: (Massive paragraph apologizing for not seeing me)
Me: "np"
Her: "What are you doing down this way"?
Me: "Stalking you"

She was texting back instantaneously too, but then she goes full radio silence.

(04-07-2017 08:57 AM)Jason55 Wrote:  

I never understood the whole wait X number of hours before responding or whatever. I think just be direct, don't wait, and get what you want. Don't say when are you free? Say I am free on this day, and we will get together and do this. Have something cool/fun ready.

I actually didn't mean to wait 5 hours, but she is 21 and plays these stupid games. I mix it up.

Yeah I've been reading Rooisy and following his no questions, no punctuations ass-hole text guide.

Cheers for the replies guys, I'm still beta and need guidance.

[Robtormar]

Seems like you're thinking too much about this girl. You need to start having an abundance mentality. Also you say that your problem is motivation to hunt. Are you watching too much porn/masturbating? Getting enough sleep? Healthy diet?

[Baphomet]

(04-07-2017 10:36 AM)WoeMachine Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 08:29 AM)Baphomet Wrote:  

You don't say what happened when you saw her "in the city." Did you not approach her?

I turned around when a car beeped or something and she was about 25 meters away on the other side of a busy street. So I text her:

Me: "Did you just walk past me on _____ Road"?
Her: (Massive paragraph apologizing for not seeing me)
Me: "np"
Her: "What are you doing down this way"?
Me: "Stalking you"

She was texting back instantaneously too, but then she goes full radio silence.

(04-07-2017 08:57 AM)Jason55 Wrote:  

I never understood the whole wait X number of hours before responding or whatever. I think just be direct, don't wait, and get what you want. Don't say when are you free? Say I am free on this day, and we will get together and do this. Have something cool/fun ready.

I actually didn't mean to wait 5 hours, but she is 21 and plays these stupid games. I mix it up.

Yeah I've been reading Rooisy and following his no questions, no punctuations ass-hole text guide.

Cheers for the replies guys, I'm still beta and need guidance.

This has nothing to do with "beta" and everything to do with "fear".

Among the correct moves here was to:

1. Simply walk over to her, and say, "Hi. (NAME), I don't know how but you found me. Are you an expert stalker or did you just get lucky?"


2. Text her, "That is a nice red blouse. (whatever she's wearing) Perfect for a glass of wine." Walk over while she's trying to figure out what she's reading.


A full text conversation from 75 feet away is ridiculous. Be bold, and confident in your approaches. Hiding behind texts to pad a potential rejection is fearful, and needless.

[Ironbutt62]

[quote='WoeMachine' pid='1544495' dateline='1491563382']
"I recently took the red-pill on Game when a 21 year old started temporary at my work and I couldn't understand why she wasn't into me. I started researching who to attract people etc and found out about Game and KINO etc.

I actually applied this in my interactions with her (I'm 31) and couldn't believe that it seemed to be working. Finally on her last day, we'd been vibing all day and she seemed to be into me, dropping hints about her parents saying she needs to be with an older guy etc. So I went for it and asked if she wanted to go to a gig sometime, she blushed, said yeah and I was super psyched, told her "Cool, keep in touch" and walked off."


Right there.( "Keep in touch " and walked off)

I think the perfect course, given the IOIs and hints she was dropping would have been, "there's a gig Coming up in [xxxx time frame] I'll call you tomorrow afternoon with the details." Then do so.

[Ironbutt62]

Accidental repeat, my apologies.

[Hoser]

(04-07-2017 06:09 AM)WoeMachine Wrote:  

I recently took the red-pill on Game....

Herein lies a huge problem with the expression "Red Pill": unlike in The Matrix, the real-life red pill doesn't come with instant transformation, it merely opens your eyes and tells you where to seek a mentor.

As with any skill or philosophy, game cannot be mastered without years of devotion. Simply realizing "girls like high-value, ZFG men who escalate with 'kino' at appropriate moments" does not increase your value, nor does it make you give fewer fcks or recognize when appropriate moments of escalation have presented themselves and what such escalation looks like (and what to do next).

Just get out there and make it happen (or not). So long as you don't get hung up on your mistakes, or marry yourself to unrealistic expectations, you'll figure it out. By then, you'll truly give fewer fcks and you'll find that your value will have increased without your even knowing it.

[Ringo]

From your replies, I'm guessing you are over texting. Keep it simple.

This recent post is also relevant:

(02-25-2017 05:47 PM)Ringo Wrote:  

If you felt something was off, you should have called rather than texted, specially after her first reply.

People spend too much time analyzing shit. That's 1% of game.

The other 99% is covering basics. Like:

If you have bad logistics, chances of bringing a girl home go down.

If you want a girl who is not a gold digger, don't pop bottles and make it rain in the VIP.

If you're interested in a girl, don't smother her - make her want you.

If you sense something is wrong, CALL rather than text.

It's so fucking simple but we sometimes need to be reminded of it.

Do what Ironbutt62 (that name, though...) said. Pick a cool event, or plan something different (go for ice cream, walk around the city and take photographs, etc), and give her a date. Short and sweet. Don't get into long exchanges. There's an expression in Portuguese - you'll just be giving her rope to hang you with. If there's back and forth, CALL.

If she's in, cool. If she can't make it but suggests another date, take it. If she says she can't but doesn't follow up, she's not that into you or has other things or guys going on - put her on freeze for a few days/weeks, and restart.

And obviously go after other girls. If she's your only prospect, you're going to sound thirsty to her.

[WoeMachine]

Addressing some of the replies:

RobTormar

Definitely too hung up on this chick, I have idealised her. Working on detaching myself from her, it's just hard to have an abundance mentality without abundance, I actually read the thread on here about that, it helped.

Motivation to hunt, I don't watch porn and have recently gone on no fap. My libido isn't the issue, probably 50% coping mechanism and 50% fussy standards.

I have a good diet, lift heavy, sleep decent and have a MMA background. My health is good.

You're right Baphomet, if I'd physically approached at that point, I could have got her out to coffee etc. I let her stay in her text comfort zone and avoid meeting. Those approaches were great ideas.

Great advice IronButt, I felt that I'd left it too open by not locking down a date. Will use in future.

Good general advice Hoser, I certainly wasn't suggesting I knew everything because I'd taken the red pill. More along the lines of I've chosen to see reality and deal with reality in a proactive way. I know my next 2-3 years will be a learning process of ups and downs. I'm generally pretty good at not giving a fuck but I'm just (I believe) hung up on this whore/Madonna complex and I struggle with relationships because I don't like being vulnerable.

Just sucks that I'm not going to get this girl for even just a smash. I'm actually confident about that side of things, it's just the procuring viable mates I'm hopeless with.

Thanks for all the advices guys. Warms my heart to see strangers helping me try to get my dick wet. Just finished Bang too, great book and Roosh is far less apocalyptic than Roissy who sometimes almost re-black pills me.

[WoeMachine]

Great advices too Ringo. She's 21 I feel like she'd duck a call. I have been over texting, definitely. I've been feeding boosting her value by initiating texts too often.

I'm going to forget about her unless she shows interest and maybe right when her exams finish offer a concrete date, hopefully I've just mentally nexted her by then.

If she has other guys going on, damn, never imagined but... I only ever imagined a LTR with her, that's beta. Its also an incredibly sad state of affairs that male/female relations have come to this petty, mind game one upmanship show of polygamous loathing. Sounds like I'm an old man but 10-15 years ago, I don't recall all these mind games and resentment.

If I have to face a reality where I can't pair bond with a monogamous girl... Things will get very Patrick Bateman very quickly with me. Obviously mentally speaking, I would never break the law. Still struggling with the red pill, I keep thinking "Why do women have to be like this"??? I just want to be open and truthful. The beta in me must die.

[Hoser]

Quote:


Do what Ironbutt62 (that name, though...) said.

Hahaha I forgot that not everyone knows what this means. Funny of you to pick up on it, however.

The Iron Butt is an extreme-distance motorcycle rally, as in it hurts to be in the saddle that long. It lasts several days. To have completed one is the motorcycling equivalent of having completed an Ironman triathlon.

It's much more bad-"ass" than it sounds.

[Hoser]

(04-07-2017 05:11 PM)WoeMachine Wrote:  

Still struggling with the red pill, I keep thinking "Why do women have to be like this"??? I just want to be open and truthful. The beta in me must die.

Negative self-talk will only make things worse. Forget about the Beta dying and concentrate on the Alpha flourishing.

[Ironbutt62]

That's correct, Hoser abt the explanation of the screen name. I've completed three iron butts
My avatar now shows my bike. I guess it is a funny sounding screen name. Lol

[Hoser]

(04-07-2017 10:08 PM)Ironbutt62 Wrote:  

That's correct, Hoser abt the explanation of the screen name. I've completed three iron butts
My avatar now shows my bike. I guess it is a funny sounding screen name. Lol

It would be a perfectly wonderful name if not for the recent proliferation of fudgepackers. Sigh. What will they ruin next?

No need to change it, BTW. Take that mother back.

[WoeMachine]

Finally reached out to her again with a restart text. She gave me nothing to work with, so I threw out an invite for a coffee and she ignored, didn't offer an alternative date.

Sent another text that is so beta it makes me cringe in hindsight, here's how the conversation went:

Me: Down your way again this week, meet for coffee
Her: I'm out of town this week (about 30 seconds later)
**Prepare for cringe**
Me: It's customary to make a counter-offer (about 45 minutes later)

God damn, shouldn't have sent that one. It hurts to remember.

After I sent it, I knew I'd goofed. Delete the message thread, and deleted her number. I realized I should have never text her, I hadn't recovered from the initial beta frame I'd established, even after coming here and learning, I was just building good game on a shaky, beta foundation.

Learned a valuable lesson here though. Red pilled my red pill. I'm feeling pretty down atm.

[thebassist]

(04-11-2017 04:13 AM)WoeMachine Wrote:  

Sent another text that is so beta it makes me cringe in hindsight, here's how the conversation went:

Me: Down your way again this week, meet for coffee
Her: I'm out of town this week (about 30 seconds later)
**Prepare for cringe**
Me: It's customary to make a counter-offer (about 45 minutes later)

God damn, shouldn't have sent that one. It hurts to remember.

After I sent it, I knew I'd goofed. Delete the message thread, and deleted her number. I realized I should have never text her, I hadn't recovered from the initial beta frame I'd established, even after coming here and learning, I was just building good game on a shaky, beta foundation.

Learned a valuable lesson here though. Red pilled my red pill. I'm feeling pretty down atm.

Don't sweat it bud, it's natural to slip up when starting out. Be grateful for the knowledge that the vast majority of guys out there are doing the same shit, but don't have the awareness to realize why things aren't working out. Use this as an opportunity for learning and growth, now you will be much less likely to make the same mistake again !

The best thing to do to keep your game tight is to simply ensure that you're in a situation that grants you a lot of options. People often stress the importance of keeping an abundance mindset when engaging with girls (in order to avoid clingy, beta behavior), but honestly nothing matches the effect of actually living in a situation of abundance.

It seems like you have your lifestyle in check, which is good, time to focus on building up your pipeline of options. This one may have slipped through your fingers, but you've reinforced some good lessons which will help you with the girls to come. Make sure to keep us posted on your progress, it's always good to get a second opinion on things to make sure you're headed in the right direction.

Best of luck bro

[WoeMachine]

So guys, not sure what to do. Texting was my Achilles heel before, I deleted her number, to call it quits and next her but I get a text that I know is her:

Her: (Reference to in-joke between us)

Haven't responded yet. Do I just ignore her? Do I go nuclear with "whos this" (intentional poor grammar) or do I respond in my normal cheeky way?

I feel like she's not responding to actual dates, but I'm not sure if it's a dead end or worth still trying to bang etc.

...

...

I still DO want to bang, bros.

[RatInTheWoods]

There are Billions of other women in the world, some of them will willingly want to go on dates and bang you.

Forget this woman, and go find one of the other women.

[WoeMachine]

(04-16-2017 04:57 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

There are Billions of other women in the world, some of them will willingly want to go on dates and bang you.

Forget this woman, and go find one of the other women.

That's why it's helpful for me to come here, you guys will tell me what I need to hear/read.

Good advice, it shouldn't be this problematic to arrange a date. I need to find women who are obviously into me and forget this girl. Thanks, bro.

[Jetset]

You're thinking clearly now.

Being coworkers with a flaky young plate is guaranteed extreme drama. I'd go so far as to call it some sort of device for manufacturing large amounts of harmful drama automatically...a woe machine, if you will.