[Pusscrook]

(08-25-2011 09:22 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(08-25-2011 09:17 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

The U.S. passport is blue. He said skin color didn't matter, as long as your American. A lot of the girls are looking for citizenship. Gmanifesto stated is somewhere, and I concur: Mexican girls are WAY underrated on the forum.

I agree. Every third world country one goes to, it's easy to bang because they hope that you will simp out and fall in love, thus marrying them and giving them status.

It's their shot at the lottery.

That's why it's easy to bang in Phillipines, Thailand, South America, Cuba and DR.

The poorer your targets, the easier you can bang.

I know this sounds wicked but there's something deliciously impowering about clambering onto some poor hussy who is hoping that you will do the right thing and put a ring on it..BWAHAHAHAHA << Machiavellian laughter

Exactly why I hunt in the country side when Im out of the U.S. .. There's nothing better than a beautiful country -side, semi-retarded bitch who just giggles all day long.

[MiXX]

LMAO! which is why my favirite spot in Colombia is Santo Domingo, just outside Medellin.

A ton of 21 year old girls that still have the inocente look and giggling attitude of a 10 year old! It should be a crime to fuck these girls as easy as it is!

** WARNING: Santo Domingo is not a place fir the naive foreigner with NO spanish skills.

It is dangerous for many Colombians themselves to go to this area as the law is street law. Guys on rooftops with shotguns "protect" the neighborhood. If you don't belong; you get killed or kidnapped fir $$$ - NO JOKE!


Mixx

[Pusscrook]

(08-25-2011 12:24 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

LMAO! which is why my favirite spot in Colombia is Santo Domingo, just outside Medellin.

A ton of 21 year old girls that still have the inocente look and giggling attitude of a 10 year old! It should be a crime to fuck these girls as easy as it is!

Mixx

@MIXX,

Then you should share. You have been piece mailing all this wonderful information to us here. All I do is salivate at these thoughts ,yet, you put me to suffer thru this agony of all that fresh young pussy to yourself. Please do an old geezer a favor and enlighten me on these small towns. I'll be forever in your debt and will remember you every time I fuck one of these giggling little bitches.

[Chemical O]

It is nice being in a third world country, because on every mediocre date i've ever had I just look around and see lots of thin, cute girls i could hit on. I sometimes surprise myself on how little shit i put up, and how many dates ive ended early, or just tell a girl, "good luck and take care." I'm in southeast asia btw.

[Chemical O]

When you have had sex the night before with a girl and will get sex later that night with a different girl you already banging, one mediocre date really does not matter.

[SVK]

Athlone McGinnis,

Excellent point with the BMI. I didn't realize this is how they calculate obesity rates. I myself am technically overweight with BMI about 26 (6'3", 208 lbs), but body fat only in the 11-12% range. I would bet that the most of the guys that girls find very attractive would fit somewhere in the overweight range (25-30 BMI) or even in the obese range (>30 BMI) for more serious meatheads.
Anybody has any source about what is the best (most attractive) BMI for a guy? As for my preferences in women, I'd say the attractive range is prolly 18-22 BMI, ideal 19-20 BMI (with some freaky exceptions of course)

Also it would be extremely interesting to see the real obesity by gender rates in USA, the ones that are calculated from body fat ranges for each gender...

[Lumiere]

(08-25-2011 12:24 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

LMAO! which is why my favirite spot in Colombia is Santo Domingo, just outside Medellin.

Are you talking about Santo Domingo at the top of the cable car route?

If so, that's not outside medellin.

I liked that spot too. Nice spot at the top for pastries and nice library.

Not dangerous during the day but not sure I would want to live there.

[azulsombra]

(08-25-2011 04:37 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 07:54 PM)alb3 Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 03:07 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 01:59 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

3. El Paso

El Paso? They have quality chicks over there?

I used to go to El Paso often for my job working up at White Sands Missile Range. El Paso may as well be Mexico. Some very cute Mexicans but overall, not a place I would recommend nor spend my own money going to. To each his own.

I passed through El Paso recently on business, and was impressed with the Mexicanas in town. Wasn't there long enough to do a trip report, but I believe it is a good spot for a short/cheap trip. A friend of mine was there working for months and gave a trip report. It goes like this:

1. Go to Cincinnati St.
2. Have a blue passport.

He speaks zero Spanish and still racked up respectable numbers.

I co-sign, El paso has some talent. Swung through the city a few years back, the other side of the border was poppin as well. They had a reggaeton club right by the in Juarez that would get packed with plenty of shapely 18-21yr olds. Not sure I would risk it now though with the current situation there.

[rudebwoy]

(08-25-2011 01:48 AM)torontokid Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 07:24 PM)Mace Wrote:  

Lots of guys in here hating on Toronto.

What exactly is so bad about Toronto women? How did it get to be this way?

Here's my analysis of Toronto women-

1. FOBS mess it up for the rest of us- Fresh of the boat Asian girls are non fuckable 99 percent of the time. Its not that I don't like Asian girls, I thought the Thai girls in Bangkok were fucking hot. I just am not down for some acne ridden nerdy U of T student. That means easily 1/3 or 1/2 of Toronto's downtown girls instantly cut out of my potential pool.

2. Fly Asian girls are rare and have massive egos and bitch shields- A hot Asian girl will have a million betas worshiping her which once again makes the few hot Asian girls bitchy and hard to approach.

3. Obesity Epidemic among white girls- Toronto teen white women(which is what I mainly go for) are pretty fat, especially the ones at Eaton Centre. Most of them are out with their pretty friends and act like massive cockblocks. I used to approach mixed fatty and cute sets but I don't anymore simply because I don't like treating fatties with any respect. I'd rather avoid the approach then make the fatty feel good about herself to get at her friend.

4. Latinas, Black Girls, and Indian Girls also suffer from Chubbiness- This doesn't help either, as all these races balloon up in Toronto from the bad diet and the lack of social shaming.

5. Eaton Centre is full of Pickup Dudes- As a day gamer I depend mostly on the Eaton Centre since Yorkdale is shit(too many ghetto kids). There are easily 10-15 PUAs hanging around Eaton Centre each day. Girls are used to approaches there and have pumped up egos. To combat this I'm going to check out Fairview Mall and other spots farther from downtown for day game.

6. The remaining white girls who live in Toronto and visit downtown frequently have big egos. They think they are hot shit even if they are not. The mall is the worst place to pickup girls and thats why I"m trying to expand my horizons.

Counterstrategies that I plan to implement-

Subway Approaches- Subway station approaches are pretty good, you can always find cute unspoiled girls in the subway who are by themselves and are sitting down. I did this before I left and my hit rate was much higher(around 10-20 percent number close rate for this type of approach easily).

Bookstore approaches- Great opportunity to meet a girl, simply make a witty remark and start talking.

The fact is Toronto can appear like a great city on certain days especially on Queen Street. However there are shitty days where you see only a couple hot girls and we have to resort to approaching girls that we normally wouldn't go for.

Nightlife is much better too. I can see why a guy who is here for a short while and has the traveler high would think Toronto is great. However, its not that great for day game and ok for night game.

The fact is that true legit hotties are reachable for players on this forum. However as a 18 year old guy who has 7 months of gaming experience these older fly girls in high heels are harder to find and game. They often have high bitch shields up and the only time I can crack it is when I hit state and go pickup every day for many days. Unfortunately I find it hard to get that going after getting back because fat chicks kill my mood. Its something I have to get used to again so I can do well here.

I'd say a guy will date 1-3 points below what he'd get in a place like Stockholm(On the Toronto scale). If you have amazing game and do well here you'll clean up anywhere else in the world. But its hard to keep motivation up after seeing the green grass. Before I left motivation was on a high level and I had reached a level where I was getting phone numbers daily. I"m back and I find it difficult to go hard and without excuses like I used to. Its like my mind is completely focused on making a lot of money to Get out of Canada. I haven't gotten a single number in the 2 weeks I've been back.

I'm focusing mainly on social circle game right now and around 2 days of cold approach a week. Social Circle is actually great here if you are in the right environment and these are Oases in the desert.

My motivation is lost for Toronto, I bide my time to when I can leave again.

Eaton Centre would be the last spot I would try to game girls, however there are alot of tourist girls passing through that place.
My advice to you would be head to the burbs, Burlington/Hamilton/St Catherines in the west. Oshawa and beyond in the East.

I do alot of Bookstore game these days with better results, Chapters/Starbucks is a god send for me.

The sad thing about Toronto is that loads of people are doing online game, young guys in my gym swear by Plenty of fish and older guys as well. I look at a few ads I get instantly turned off, girls with so many requirements and expectations.

Toronto was a world class city about 20 years ago for girls, but then it got an attitude and has become a wannabe New York.

[Screwston]

Yeah El Paso is a good spot. Shit, I'm Mexican American but was killing it when I I was out there. As soon as I opened my mouth, it was game over because they knew I wasn't from there.

[brianmark]

(08-24-2011 04:16 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 12:25 PM)Mace Wrote:  

The obesity epidemic really skews the dating market against men here. When 99% of men are competing for 60% of the women, it's the single biggest factor in today's screwed up sexual marketplace.

I think we're forgetting to factor in that almost the same amount of American men are overweight as the women. So Budweiser Bubba is effectively off the table for an attractive in shape girl as well. So how many men are you really competing with?

There are many more fat girls now than fat guys. I went to a social and 60% of the women were overweight. Only about 25% of the guys there were over weight. Not to mention that out of the 150 girls there only about 15 were good looking. Even in college now there are many more fat guys than girls. I see guys that look like 9s with fat girls. Oh, excuse me, these guys that are 9s correct when I refer to girls as fat and tell me they are not fat.....only thick!

[americanInEurope]

I'm leaving back for Europe tomorrow, and the main thing I'll take with me is this: America is where you go to make money, everywhere else is where you go to find love. There is no truer fucking statement in my life right now.

[deepcov3r]

(05-28-2012 01:50 PM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

I'm leaving back for Europe tomorrow, and the main thing I'll take with me is this: America is where you go to make money, everywhere else is where you go to find love. There is no truer fucking statement in my life right now.

+1

I'm in Berkeley right now, and it's a total example of why America sucks for love.

Here's the breakdown:

1/2 University or University related women; 70- 90% of which are totally career focused and probably more % are ardent feminists.

1/4 Black chicks, only a few I like

1/4 Asian either super students of unbelievably rigid in standards for tall white young guy.

I'm leaving out the 15% (pro-rate please) Hispanic girls who are probably the least snobby but the most fat..

The few 7's walks around with 6'5" buff guys with baseball caps their age or younger......looking like they are royalty


yecchh..llooolllxlzlzl

[Rurik]

Another big problem with america, is that it's filling up with fat mexican chicks. for some reason, there is a big weight problem and also a just sort of a fatter endomorphic body type among mexicans. It's too bad the united states isn't smack next to a better looking group of latinos.

this compounded with the fat white population, and the fact that so many black chicks are fat, fills this country with fatness. Asian girls are a saving grace.

[Blunt]

I'm scared to go back.

[trainwreck]

I think you guys are exaggerating. Or maybe I get an easy pass with the American girls because of being European. Fact is, for me there is no other country to get laid as easy as in the US. 4 lays a week in NYC? No problem. Go to Lower East Side, West Village for a few nights, score a SNL or get a few numbers, done.

Man, in NYC, there's one Starbucks on Spring St. in Soho that is just FULL OF HOT GIRLS studying during weekday afternoons. If a date that I had set up would fail, I'd go there, open up the laptop, and just chat to any girl that would sit next to me. It's also full of European tourists on their shopping trips.

Of course, you'll have to be in the right city. San Diego is awesome, so is NYC... Miami if you have the cash. If you're gonna be in bumblefuck somewhere, of course the chicks will be fat. And street game in LA.. well unless it's at a mall or at the beach, forget it.

I agree though with the fact that us Europeans have more feminine girls. But they also put you into a lot more work before opening their legs.. that is unless you're in some parts of Central and Northern Europe.

[Excelsior]

(05-29-2012 05:13 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

I think you guys are exaggerating. Or maybe I get an easy pass with the American girls because of being European.

1. No, we are not.
2. Yes, you probably do.

Read carefully what AmericaninEurope said:

(05-28-2012 01:50 PM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

I'm leaving back for Europe tomorrow, and the main thing I'll take with me is this: America is where you go to make money, everywhere else is where you go to find love. There is no truer fucking statement in my life right now.

Now, you used the NYC example.

Quote:

Fact is, for me there is no other country to get laid as easy as in the US. 4 lays a week in NYC? No problem. Go to Lower East Side, West Village for a few nights, score a SNL or get a few numbers, done.

Man, in NYC, there's one Starbucks on Spring St. in Soho that is just FULL OF HOT GIRLS studying during weekday afternoons.

The obvious caveat here is that your results are not that easy to duplicate. We know of professional, Ivy League educated American PUAs with model-looks who've managed well under 5% success rates in NYC. Most dudes are lucky to get to 1%. If you're able to actually get four new individual lays weekly in NYC on a regular basis, then congrats to you, but those are results I'd be skeptical of if they were reported to me. Such a performance is unheard of for 95% of American men, and this is true in most major American cities (DC, LA, San Diego, etc). Most of us simply aren't seeing this level of abundant, quick sex that you claim you are.

For the sake of this discussion, however, let us assume that you are telling the truth and that plenty of guys can have it as easy as you say you do. That's all good and well if you're only after a bunch of lays. If you want anything beyond that, you're going to struggle to find it here.

What quite a few (not all, but a sizable number) of us are ultimately seeking here is the love of a feminine woman. This is much more attainable outside of major American cities, where a) there are more feminine young women who like men and actually want to date them and b) one does not need to play as many silly games to get their attention.

These girls you're pursuing out in NYC can offer you plenty of sex. That's it-beyond a bunch of new, generally meaningless lays, one can draw very little else from the relationship with them. Add this to the fact that a) they're actually more challenging to game by global standards (devolution and a host of other tricks are required for consistent success here that aren't needed elsewhere) and b) for most American guys they tend to be much more needlessly difficult than they seem to be for you, and you can understand some of the concern.

Quote:

I agree though with the fact that us Europeans have more feminine girls. But they also put you into a lot more work before opening their legs...

Some guys don't mind waiting a little while if it ensures getting to a higher quality woman.

[trainwreck]

(05-29-2012 07:24 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

The obvious caveat here is that your results are not that easy to duplicate. We know of professional, Ivy League educated American PUAs with model-looks who've managed well under 5% success rates in NYC. Most dudes are lucky to get to 1%. If you're able to actually get four new individual lays weekly in NYC on a regular basis, then congrats to you, but those are results I'd be skeptical of if they were reported to me. Such a performance is unheard of for 95% of American men, and this is true in most major American cities (DC, LA, San Diego, etc). Most of us simply aren't seeing this level of abundant, quick sex that you claim you are.
...

Some guys don't mind waiting a little while if it ensures getting to a higher quality woman.

ok, admittedly, I have managed to do this 4 in a week thing only twice in 2 years of multiple visits to the city.

And yes, I agree. American women ask for a lot and offer pretty much nothing in the long run.

I guess the US really sucks if you're looking for something meaningful.

[speakeasy]

(05-29-2012 12:00 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

Asian girls are a saving grace.

Not to me.

[azulsombra]

(05-29-2012 07:54 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 07:24 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

The obvious caveat here is that your results are not that easy to duplicate. We know of professional, Ivy League educated American PUAs with model-looks who've managed well under 5% success rates in NYC. Most dudes are lucky to get to 1%. If you're able to actually get four new individual lays weekly in NYC on a regular basis, then congrats to you, but those are results I'd be skeptical of if they were reported to me. Such a performance is unheard of for 95% of American men, and this is true in most major American cities (DC, LA, San Diego, etc). Most of us simply aren't seeing this level of abundant, quick sex that you claim you are.
...

Some guys don't mind waiting a little while if it ensures getting to a higher quality woman.

ok, admittedly, I have managed to do this 4 in a week thing only twice in 2 years of multiple visits to the city.

And yes, I agree. American women ask for a lot and offer pretty much nothing in the long run.

I guess the US really sucks if you're looking for something meaningful.

4 a week is still impressive, 3 a week is the most i've managed in the states (all were tourists). I'm curious, were these 4 girls tourists, foreigners on visas or born and bred NYC chicks?

[trainwreck]

(05-29-2012 10:19 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

4 a week is still impressive, 3 a week is the most i've managed in the states (all were tourists). I'm curious, were these 4 girls tourists, foreigners on visas or born and bred NYC chicks?

honestly, most of them for some reason were fashion students. The last time this happened, one was from a Starbucks, another one I met at the turtle bay (I'm ashamed to even say that I was there. no SNL, just went on a date), one from a small bar in the LES and another one through friends circle.

How I mostly pulled them:
If you go for a date in NYC, take your laptop or something that gives you a reason to go back for a bit to your hotel on a venue change. Tell the girls that you were working at Starbucks before this and didn't have much time to change.

Don't make out at the first venue.

Once you're back at your hotel room, have an iPad or some other tablet with games ready on your bed while 'you go to the bathroom real quick'. Most of the girls will now have sat down on your bed and will be playing with your iPad/Tablet. When you're back from the bathroom, tease them about not asking you to use it and boom you're suddenly both laying next to each other in your bed, having fun. Try to kiss her at this point. Worked 3 out of 3 times.

The reason why I say don't make out at your first venue is simple. She'll have an excuse to present to her friends. "He didn't even kiss me when we were at the first bar!" And after all, she's going to your hotel room not as a slut, but as someone who is helping you to drop off some stuff so you both can have fun at venue #2, lol.

The other girl from LES was a SNL so there was no iPad tactic involved, lol.


But regarding the US, as an European I do way better on the east coast. No idea why. I've tried places like Vegas and Cali and didn't have much luck besides with other European chicks there. Logistics in NYC just make it happen way quicker I guess.

[Deb Auchery]

(05-29-2012 07:24 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 05:13 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

I think you guys are exaggerating. Or maybe I get an easy pass with the American girls because of being European.

1. No, we are not.
2. Yes, you probably do.

Read carefully what AmericaninEurope said:

(05-28-2012 01:50 PM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

I'm leaving back for Europe tomorrow, and the main thing I'll take with me is this: America is where you go to make money, everywhere else is where you go to find love. There is no truer fucking statement in my life right now.

Now, you used the NYC example.

Quote:

Fact is, for me there is no other country to get laid as easy as in the US. 4 lays a week in NYC? No problem. Go to Lower East Side, West Village for a few nights, score a SNL or get a few numbers, done.

Man, in NYC, there's one Starbucks on Spring St. in Soho that is just FULL OF HOT GIRLS studying during weekday afternoons.

The obvious caveat here is that your results are not that easy to duplicate. We know of professional, Ivy League educated American PUAs with model-looks who've managed well under 5% success rates in NYC. Most dudes are lucky to get to 1%. If you're able to actually get four new individual lays weekly in NYC on a regular basis, then congrats to you, but those are results I'd be skeptical of if they were reported to me. Such a performance is unheard of for 95% of American men, and this is true in most major American cities (DC, LA, San Diego, etc). Most of us simply aren't seeing this level of abundant, quick sex that you claim you are.

For the sake of this discussion, however, let us assume that you are telling the truth and that plenty of guys can have it as easy as you say you do. That's all good and well if you're only after a bunch of lays. If you want anything beyond that, you're going to struggle to find it here.

What quite a few (not all, but a sizable number) of us are ultimately seeking here is the love of a feminine woman. This is much more attainable outside of major American cities, where a) there are more feminine young women who like men and actually want to date them and b) one does not need to play as many silly games to get their attention.

These girls you're pursuing out in NYC can offer you plenty of sex. That's it-beyond a bunch of new, generally meaningless lays, one can draw very little else from the relationship with them. Add this to the fact that a) they're actually more challenging to game by global standards (devolution and a host of other tricks are required for consistent success here that aren't needed elsewhere) and b) for most American guys they tend to be much more needlessly difficult than they seem to be for you, and you can understand some of the concern.

Quote:

I agree though with the fact that us Europeans have more feminine girls. But they also put you into a lot more work before opening their legs...

Some guys don't mind waiting a little while if it ensures getting to a higher quality woman.

America is where you go to make money? How so? I think the days of the American Dream are well and truly done gone.

There is money everywhere in the world, you've just got to sniff it out.

All my business aspirations are online, to get me to move to New York for example with the high.cost of.living I would need to be offered 150k just to consider it.

Europe is where you go to fall in love? Maybe that's what the movies try to portray. Personally I can say that after 5 years in E Europe, I could still fall in love with any girl from almost anywhere.

[Excelsior]

(05-30-2012 05:23 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

America is where you go to make money? How so? I think the days of the American Dream are well and truly done gone.

There is money everywhere in the world, you've just got to sniff it out.

I generally agree with you. My point (and I think americanineurope's point as well) is that moneymaking is still one of the few good reasons to reside in the USA. It is no longer the only place for this and opportunities aren't as good as they were in decades past, but if you're educated there is still potential.

Love, on the other hand, you are much less likely to find here. Make your money and branch out later if that is what you want.

Quote:

Europe is where you go to fall in love?

Not just Europe.

[chochemonger1]

(05-29-2012 05:13 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

I think you guys are exaggerating. Or maybe I get an easy pass with the American girls because of being European. Fact is, for me there is no other country to get laid as easy as in the US. 4 lays a week in NYC? No problem. Go to Lower East Side, West Village for a few nights, score a SNL or get a few numbers, done.

Man, in NYC, there's one Starbucks on Spring St. in Soho that is just FULL OF HOT GIRLS studying during weekday afternoons. If a date that I had set up would fail, I'd go there, open up the laptop, and just chat to any girl that would sit next to me. It's also full of European tourists on their shopping trips.

Of course, you'll have to be in the right city. San Diego is awesome, so is NYC... Miami if you have the cash. If you're gonna be in bumblefuck somewhere, of course the chicks will be fat. And street game in LA.. well unless it's at a mall or at the beach, forget it.

I agree though with the fact that us Europeans have more feminine girls. But they also put you into a lot more work before opening their legs.. that is unless you're in some parts of Central and Northern Europe.

Train wreck, where are you from in Europe? New York is easy if you have tight game and a nice pad in manhattan. But not that easy. More details man.

[Excelsior]

(06-01-2012 06:25 AM)dhdseo28 Wrote:  

I can feel it.

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