[Moma]

(08-24-2011 03:35 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

You're fucking hilarious man! You know when you go to Brazil you will see what you need. Tight slender girls with that kind of ass in that picture there. Yes some are fat, but there is an abundance of that ass there!

I would rather you be miserable playing the clarinet , (or starting a fire) than to be stuck in the folds of a sow and sounding like a tortured soul that was stuck in a tuba.

BTW, she is beautiful! Is that yours?

Pusscrook

No, that's a video vixen called Buffy the body. Now that's an ass I would strongly consider shelling out some gas money for!

It won't be for me, it will be for my country!!!

Check this:

[speakeasy]

(08-24-2011 12:25 PM)Mace Wrote:  

The obesity epidemic really skews the dating market against men here. When 99% of men are competing for 60% of the women, it's the single biggest factor in today's screwed up sexual marketplace.

I think we're forgetting to factor in that almost the same amount of American men are overweight as the women. So Budweiser Bubba is effectively off the table for an attractive in shape girl as well. So how many men are you really competing with?

[Pusscrook]

(08-24-2011 03:51 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 03:35 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

You're fucking hilarious man! You know when you go to Brazil you will see what you need. Tight slender girls with that kind of ass in that picture there. Yes some are fat, but there is an abundance of that ass there!

I would rather you be miserable playing the clarinet , (or starting a fire) than to be stuck in the folds of a sow and sounding like a tortured soul that was stuck in a tuba.

BTW, she is beautiful! Is that yours?

Pusscrook

No, that's a video vixen called Buffy the body. Now that's an ass I would strongly consider shelling out some gas money for!

It won't be for me, it will be for my country!!!

Check this:

Mi madre!.

[Vacancier Permanent]

Yo Moma,
You're cracking me bro with your british sense of humour. What a refreshing thing to read/hear compared to the lame boring "jokes" and non-existent sense of humor of Torontonians. LOL As to the girls in NA and more specifically TO, each time I return here from either Asia or SA, I get depressed and I feel cheated and scammed everywhere compared to the quality/talent/attitude of girls here compared to Asia or SA. I feel exactly the same not just for girls but for EVERYTHING, price wise and quality wise. It's like night and day. Totally ridiculous. I'm done with NA, I'm here for a few months, get my shit together, pay off all my debts and be on the first plane to Asia on a one way ticket. I'll only visit Toronto for a month or 2 in the summers to visit family/relatives and some friends. There's nothing else here. Business wise, lifestyle wise, women wise, food wise, scenery/vacation wise, Asia is the place to be followed closely by SA. I'm officially done with NA.

[Mace]

Lots of guys in here hating on Toronto.

What exactly is so bad about Toronto women? How did it get to be this way?

[Pusscrook]

(08-24-2011 07:03 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Yo Moma,
You're cracking me bro with your british sense of humour. What a refreshing thing to read/hear compared to the lame boring "jokes" and non-existent sense of humor of Torontonians. LOL As to the girls in NA and more specifically TO, each time I return here from either Asia or SA, I get depressed and I feel cheated and scammed everywhere compared to the quality/talent/attitude of girls here compared to Asia or SA. I feel exactly the same not just for girls but for EVERYTHING, price wise and quality wise. It's like night and day. Totally ridiculous. I'm done with NA, I'm here for a few months, get my shit together, pay off all my debts and be on the first plane to Asia on a one way ticket. I'll only visit Toronto for a month or 2 in the summers to visit family/relatives and some friends. There's nothing else here. Business wise, lifestyle wise, women wise, food wise, scenery/vacation wise, Asia is the place to be followed closely by SA. I'm officially done with NA.

hahahaha, contagious.

[gig]

Was traveling the states and seen more hotties than I can count.

You ignore what you want to ignore basically.

Some people ignore the hotties, some ignore the fatties.

And recently I saw a thread, where a dude was complaining that there's not enough 'community guys' for him in San Diego.

He ignores girls and focuses specifically on finding creepy guys.

To each his own.

[alb3]

(08-24-2011 03:07 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 01:59 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

3. El Paso

El Paso? They have quality chicks over there?

I used to go to El Paso often for my job working up at White Sands Missile Range. El Paso may as well be Mexico. Some very cute Mexicans but overall, not a place I would recommend nor spend my own money going to. To each his own.

[SVK]

(08-24-2011 04:16 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 12:25 PM)Mace Wrote:  

The obesity epidemic really skews the dating market against men here. When 99% of men are competing for 60% of the women, it's the single biggest factor in today's screwed up sexual marketplace.

I think we're forgetting to factor in that almost the same amount of American men are overweight as the women. So Budweiser Bubba is effectively off the table for an attractive in shape girl as well. So how many men are you really competing with?

Hmm, I'm not so sure about that, it seems to me that although there are many fat guys, the girls are simply way fatter on average. Very common (and sad) sight is to see a decent looking in shape guy with a total whale. Also an overweight guy can still look good, while (at least for me) an overweight woman is a lost case. This obesity epidemic definitely skews the dating market for guys, even if the epidemic would be affecting both sexes equally (which, from my anecdotal experience, it does not, has anybody any concrete numbers?) Also, very bad side effect of this is that the attractive women have some seriously unacceptable attitudes.
I lived in Central Europe until age 24 so I'm seriously suffering here (but still, doing it for the money), but it has some positives:
- I was forced to develop game and change many limiting beliefs to get anywhere at all, which is IMO very valuable
- My opinion of American women in general is so low that any pedestalization that was ever there is gone. Might be even too harsh, and yes, there are some exceptions, but for me they are all "guilty before proven innocent". Makes it easy to game them and pump and dump without any remorse.

[thegmanifesto]

(08-24-2011 07:52 PM)gig Wrote:  

Was traveling the states and seen more hotties than I can count.

Where did you go?

Break it down.

[iknowexactly]

(08-24-2011 01:59 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Fat American girls are way underrated on the forum. They eat less than a donkey and pull a plow pretty well in the spring.

Oh my. Now THAT is true venom. A crushing bullseye. And I thought I was bitter about Ameriwhales.

Perfectly restrained, yet withering indictment.

[Excelsior]

(08-24-2011 04:16 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 12:25 PM)Mace Wrote:  

The obesity epidemic really skews the dating market against men here. When 99% of men are competing for 60% of the women, it's the single biggest factor in today's screwed up sexual marketplace.

I think we're forgetting to factor in that almost the same amount of American men are overweight as the women. So Budweiser Bubba is effectively off the table for an attractive in shape girl as well. So how many men are you really competing with?

There is a catch here too, though.

Budweiser Bubba counts as much towards obesity as this guy, this guy and this guy.

Obesity is calculated by BMI. 5'10, 215 = obese.

This is the thing with men: testosterone allows them to pack on masses of muscle (which is heavier than fat), and thus exposes them easily to "obesity" via sports or general weight training, even if they're still fit and healthy.

Now, one might be tempted to counter by saying "Well, this applies to women too. I'm sure some of them are just muscular."
This would be wrong.

Women lack testosterone, and hence cannot pack on muscle to the same degree that men can. This is why you do not see very many female bodybuilders(and the few you do see are much smaller than their male counterparts), weightlifters, or football players.

Here is what all of this means:

-Many men can be obese, and still very fit. Other obese athletes you may know include: Shaun Alexander, Michael Turner, Ray Lewis, Osie Umenyiora, Brandon Jacobs, Rashard Mendenhall, Donovan McNabb, and Clay Matthews. In fact, I can include a majority of Pro/College Football players, quite a few MLB guys, and most Heavyweight Boxers in this category. These men can cover much of that weight with muscle mass, which women generally tend to like. They're obese, but still attractive.

-Women generally cannot reach these weights without carrying a lot of body fat, because they simply cannot build heavy muscle mass as men can. It is biology-too much estrogen, not enough testosterone. Michael Turner can be fit and muscular at 5'11 235-240, and very fast too. Michael Vick can do the same at 6'0, 215(borderline obese by BMI). A woman that size is simply fat-there's nowhere else for the weight to come from.

This is not to say that muscle is a complete non-factor for women when it comes to BMI. They can in many cases build enough lean muscle to push them into the overweight category, especially if they're African-American. A woman at 5'7, 160 can be fit if she works out and has built some solid lean muscle, even though that may technically make her "overweight".

5'7, 200? No. This guy can pull that off, but good luck finding a woman who can. They cannot pack on that much muscle, so you can be certain that she'll be hauling a lot of flab around. An obese man can be fit, but an obese woman is almost always a fat or chubby one. Women can thank nature for the double standard.

-The numbers are a lot worse for men than they look. You'll look at the stats and see that both genders are close in obesity rates in the USA(something like 32-33% for men and 35% for women). It looks like it might cancel out.

But you're forgetting about Gym-rat George, who lifts 4-5 days a week and measures in at 5'10, 220(obese). He doesn't have a female equivalent (no woman can build that same amount of muscle, even with massive testosterone/steroid dosing). At the same time, he is fit, has fairly low body fat, and is muscular.

You are competing with him, and he has a lot of like-minded company within that "obese" category of men. Any guy who lifts can join him quickly. Take a look at the rates for each sex and then examine men and their exercise habits-it isn't hard to imagine that, when you look at that 33% rate for guys, you may be able to subtract several percentage points(maybe even 10 or more) to account for fit, but muscular dudes, and you won't be able to do the same for women.

Conclusion: The market is skewed away from men.

[iknowexactly]

(08-24-2011 10:02 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

....you're forgetting about Gym-rat George, who lifts 4-5 days a week and measures in at 5'10, 220(obese). He doesn't have a female equivalent (no woman can build that same amount of muscle, even with massive testosterone/steroid dosing). At the same time, he is fit, has fairly low body fat, and is muscular.

You are competing with him, and he has a lot of like-minded company within that "obese" category of men.

Conclusion: The market is skewed away from men.

Not to be argumentative, but isn'y that pool of very muscular guys not that large, maybe 1-2%, 3 at most?
Certainly NFL players are total statistical anomalies/outliers-- they have to be to compete.

[Hooligan Harry]

(08-24-2011 03:20 PM)Moma Wrote:  

For instance, I came to North America for this:

This may not be acceptable in Europe.

Bwahahahahaha

Look each to their own and not knocking your taste, but to me, that is fat. I see a pose with an ass like that and I want to throw up in my mouth a little. How do you get wood for that?

Thread saved.

[Excelsior]

(08-24-2011 10:14 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Not to be argumentative, but isn'y that pool of very muscular guys not that large, maybe 1-2%, 3 at most?
Certainly NFL players are total statistical anomalies/outliers-- they have to be to compete.

No. For every single NFL player, there are tens of thousands of jacked guys playing football in high school, college, semi-pro and other places who don't even sniff the big leagues. Being muscular is not enough to get you there.

Gym-rat types may not an exceedingly rare sight either(guys who bodybuild or just lift for fun). Some of them may or may not have played football or another sport in high school (which is how they may have gotten into lifting), but most won't sniff the pros.

These guys aren't a majority, but they're definitely more than just a statistically insignificant percentage(1-3%) of the population.

[Saladin]

(08-24-2011 07:24 PM)Mace Wrote:  

Lots of guys in here hating on Toronto.

What exactly is so bad about Toronto women? How did it get to be this way?

Here's my analysis of Toronto women-

1. FOBS mess it up for the rest of us- Fresh of the boat Asian girls are non fuckable 99 percent of the time. Its not that I don't like Asian girls, I thought the Thai girls in Bangkok were fucking hot. I just am not down for some acne ridden nerdy U of T student. That means easily 1/3 or 1/2 of Toronto's downtown girls instantly cut out of my potential pool.

2. Fly Asian girls are rare and have massive egos and bitch shields- A hot Asian girl will have a million betas worshiping her which once again makes the few hot Asian girls bitchy and hard to approach.

3. Obesity Epidemic among white girls- Toronto teen white women(which is what I mainly go for) are pretty fat, especially the ones at Eaton Centre. Most of them are out with their pretty friends and act like massive cockblocks. I used to approach mixed fatty and cute sets but I don't anymore simply because I don't like treating fatties with any respect. I'd rather avoid the approach then make the fatty feel good about herself to get at her friend.

4. Latinas, Black Girls, and Indian Girls also suffer from Chubbiness- This doesn't help either, as all these races balloon up in Toronto from the bad diet and the lack of social shaming.

5. Eaton Centre is full of Pickup Dudes- As a day gamer I depend mostly on the Eaton Centre since Yorkdale is shit(too many ghetto kids). There are easily 10-15 PUAs hanging around Eaton Centre each day. Girls are used to approaches there and have pumped up egos. To combat this I'm going to check out Fairview Mall and other spots farther from downtown for day game.

6. The remaining white girls who live in Toronto and visit downtown frequently have big egos. They think they are hot shit even if they are not. The mall is the worst place to pickup girls and thats why I"m trying to expand my horizons.

Counterstrategies that I plan to implement-

Subway Approaches- Subway station approaches are pretty good, you can always find cute unspoiled girls in the subway who are by themselves and are sitting down. I did this before I left and my hit rate was much higher(around 10-20 percent number close rate for this type of approach easily).

Bookstore approaches- Great opportunity to meet a girl, simply make a witty remark and start talking.

The fact is Toronto can appear like a great city on certain days especially on Queen Street. However there are shitty days where you see only a couple hot girls and we have to resort to approaching girls that we normally wouldn't go for.

Nightlife is much better too. I can see why a guy who is here for a short while and has the traveler high would think Toronto is great. However, its not that great for day game and ok for night game.

The fact is that true legit hotties are reachable for players on this forum. However as a 18 year old guy who has 7 months of gaming experience these older fly girls in high heels are harder to find and game. They often have high bitch shields up and the only time I can crack it is when I hit state and go pickup every day for many days. Unfortunately I find it hard to get that going after getting back because fat chicks kill my mood. Its something I have to get used to again so I can do well here.

I'd say a guy will date 1-3 points below what he'd get in a place like Stockholm(On the Toronto scale). If you have amazing game and do well here you'll clean up anywhere else in the world. But its hard to keep motivation up after seeing the green grass. Before I left motivation was on a high level and I had reached a level where I was getting phone numbers daily. I"m back and I find it difficult to go hard and without excuses like I used to. Its like my mind is completely focused on making a lot of money to Get out of Canada. I haven't gotten a single number in the 2 weeks I've been back.

I'm focusing mainly on social circle game right now and around 2 days of cold approach a week. Social Circle is actually great here if you are in the right environment and these are Oases in the desert.

[Aliblahba]

(08-24-2011 07:54 PM)alb3 Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 03:07 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 01:59 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

3. El Paso

El Paso? They have quality chicks over there?

I used to go to El Paso often for my job working up at White Sands Missile Range. El Paso may as well be Mexico. Some very cute Mexicans but overall, not a place I would recommend nor spend my own money going to. To each his own.

I passed through El Paso recently on business, and was impressed with the Mexicanas in town. Wasn't there long enough to do a trip report, but I believe it is a good spot for a short/cheap trip. A friend of mine was there working for months and gave a trip report. It goes like this:

1. Go to Cincinnati St.
2. Have a blue passport.

He speaks zero Spanish and still racked up respectable numbers.

[Vickers]

I think your statement does just count for Eastern/Central Europe in general,where the girls indeed trump anything overseas in a heartbeat.

EE women in general:Skinny,feminie,classy
NA women in general:Overweight,masculine,sloven

So just from observation they get 1-2 points higher on average,not speaking from the educational level.

But if we're speaking of the UK where the only hot girls in general are EE girls who work or study there,because english chicks in general are like NA women.
Germany(my homecountry) is slightly better but still far away from the EE abundance of hotness.

But on the other side the strange thing i experienced is:

As more east you go the women definetely get hotter,but the guys at the same time defintely get uglier.

I don't know why this is but that is what i've noticed.

[Moma]

(08-25-2011 04:37 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I passed through El Paso recently on business, and was impressed with the Mexicanas in town. Wasn't there long enough to do a trip report, but I believe it is a good spot for a short/cheap trip. A friend of mine was there working for months and gave a trip report. It goes like this:

1. Go to Cincinnati St.
2. Have a blue passport.

He speaks zero Spanish and still racked up respectable numbers.

What country sports a blue passport? Is this a Smurf thing?

[Mace]

(08-25-2011 01:48 AM)torontokid Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 07:24 PM)Mace Wrote:  

Lots of guys in here hating on Toronto.

What exactly is so bad about Toronto women? How did it get to be this way?

Here's my analysis of Toronto women-

1. FOBS mess it up for the rest of us- Fresh of the boat Asian girls are non fuckable 99 percent of the time. Its not that I don't like Asian girls, I thought the Thai girls in Bangkok were fucking hot. I just am not down for some acne ridden nerdy U of T student. That means easily 1/3 or 1/2 of Toronto's downtown girls instantly cut out of my potential pool.

2. Fly Asian girls are rare and have massive egos and bitch shields- A hot Asian girl will have a million betas worshiping her which once again makes the few hot Asian girls bitchy and hard to approach.

3. Obesity Epidemic among white girls- Toronto teen white women(which is what I mainly go for) are pretty fat, especially the ones at Eaton Centre. Most of them are out with their pretty friends and act like massive cockblocks. I used to approach mixed fatty and cute sets but I don't anymore simply because I don't like treating fatties with any respect. I'd rather avoid the approach then make the fatty feel good about herself to get at her friend.

4. Latinas, Black Girls, and Indian Girls also suffer from Chubbiness- This doesn't help either, as all these races balloon up in Toronto from the bad diet and the lack of social shaming.

5. Eaton Centre is full of Pickup Dudes- As a day gamer I depend mostly on the Eaton Centre since Yorkdale is shit(too many ghetto kids). There are easily 10-15 PUAs hanging around Eaton Centre each day. Girls are used to approaches there and have pumped up egos. To combat this I'm going to check out Fairview Mall and other spots farther from downtown for day game.

6. The remaining white girls who live in Toronto and visit downtown frequently have big egos. They think they are hot shit even if they are not. The mall is the worst place to pickup girls and thats why I"m trying to expand my horizons.

Counterstrategies that I plan to implement-

Subway Approaches- Subway station approaches are pretty good, you can always find cute unspoiled girls in the subway who are by themselves and are sitting down. I did this before I left and my hit rate was much higher(around 10-20 percent number close rate for this type of approach easily).

Bookstore approaches- Great opportunity to meet a girl, simply make a witty remark and start talking.

The fact is Toronto can appear like a great city on certain days especially on Queen Street. However there are shitty days where you see only a couple hot girls and we have to resort to approaching girls that we normally wouldn't go for.

Nightlife is much better too. I can see why a guy who is here for a short while and has the traveler high would think Toronto is great. However, its not that great for day game and ok for night game.

The fact is that true legit hotties are reachable for players on this forum. However as a 18 year old guy who has 7 months of gaming experience these older fly girls in high heels are harder to find and game. They often have high bitch shields up and the only time I can crack it is when I hit state and go pickup every day for many days. Unfortunately I find it hard to get that going after getting back because fat chicks kill my mood. Its something I have to get used to again so I can do well here.

I'd say a guy will date 1-3 points below what he'd get in a place like Stockholm(On the Toronto scale). If you have amazing game and do well here you'll clean up anywhere else in the world. But its hard to keep motivation up after seeing the green grass. Before I left motivation was on a high level and I had reached a level where I was getting phone numbers daily. I"m back and I find it difficult to go hard and without excuses like I used to. Its like my mind is completely focused on making a lot of money to Get out of Canada. I haven't gotten a single number in the 2 weeks I've been back.

I'm focusing mainly on social circle game right now and around 2 days of cold approach a week. Social Circle is actually great here if you are in the right environment and these are Oases in the desert.

torontokid, I've read through your archives and you're an Indian kid right? That accounts for the chilly reception you're getting from Asian girls. To these Asian birds only white guys and other Asians are acceptable - I've seen Asian lizards go gaga over tall white guys who look like Waldo. Running cold approaches on these racist bishes is a fool's errand. Don't waste your time.

Toronto sucks. You might have better luck in the all-white small college towns outside the GTA - London, Kitchener-Waterloo, Guelph, Peterborough etc. You're more likely to come across "real" Canadian girls out here - country bumpkins who love to drink and are always up for a good time. It's outside the Toronto sphere of influence, so the girls tend to be really folksy and friendly and have none of the big city pretentiousness or cold attitudes of Toronto girls. Dark skin is still a novelty out here so use your exoticism to your advantage.

[ManAbout]

(08-24-2011 07:24 PM)Mace Wrote:  

Lots of guys in here hating on Toronto.

What exactly is so bad about Toronto women? How did it get to be this way?

PUA was invented in and around Toronto. Mystery is from Toronto. Tyler of RSD is from Kingston which is down the road. It's not a coincidence. Necessity is the mother of invention.

[Moma]

(08-25-2011 08:49 AM)Mace Wrote:  

torontokid, I've read through your archives and you're an Indian kid right? That accounts for the chilly reception you're getting from Asian girls. To these Asian birds only white guys and other Asians are acceptable - I've seen Asian lizards go gaga over tall white guys who look like Waldo. Running cold approaches on these racist bishes is a fool's errand. Don't waste your time.

Toronto sucks. You might have better luck in the all-white small college towns outside the GTA - London, Kitchener-Waterloo, Guelph, Peterborough etc. You're more likely to come across "real" Canadian girls out here - country bumpkins who love to drink and are always up for a good time. It's outside the Toronto sphere of influence, so the girls tend to be really folksy and friendly and have none of the big city pretentiousness or cold attitudes of Toronto girls. Dark skin is still a novelty out here so use your exoticism to your advantage.

I second that. You can even pull in Oshawa or Burlington which are 30 mins, 45 min drives respectively.

Torontonian lizards can go ahead with their wannabe stunting..

[MiXX]

(08-25-2011 08:52 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 07:24 PM)Mace Wrote:  

Lots of guys in here hating on Toronto.

What exactly is so bad about Toronto women? How did it get to be this way?

PUA was invented in and around Toronto. Mystery is from Toronto. Tyler of RSD is from Kingston which is down the road. It's not a coincidence. Necessity is the mother of invention.

You learn something everyday!

Mixx

[Aliblahba]

(08-25-2011 08:45 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(08-25-2011 04:37 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I passed through El Paso recently on business, and was impressed with the Mexicanas in town. Wasn't there long enough to do a trip report, but I believe it is a good spot for a short/cheap trip. A friend of mine was there working for months and gave a trip report. It goes like this:

1. Go to Cincinnati St.
2. Have a blue passport.

He speaks zero Spanish and still racked up respectable numbers.

What country sports a blue passport? Is this a Smurf thing?

The U.S. passport is blue. He said skin color didn't matter, as long as your American. A lot of the girls are looking for citizenship. Gmanifesto stated is somewhere, and I concur: Mexican girls are WAY underrated on the forum.

[Moma]

(08-25-2011 09:17 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

The U.S. passport is blue. He said skin color didn't matter, as long as your American. A lot of the girls are looking for citizenship. Gmanifesto stated is somewhere, and I concur: Mexican girls are WAY underrated on the forum.

I agree. Every third world country one goes to, it's easy to bang because they hope that you will simp out and fall in love, thus marrying them and giving them status.

It's their shot at the lottery.

That's why it's easy to bang in Phillipines, Thailand, South America, Cuba and DR.

The poorer your targets, the easier you can bang.

I know this sounds wicked but there's something deliciously impowering about clambering onto some poor hussy who is hoping that you will do the right thing and put a ring on it..BWAHAHAHAHA << Machiavellian laughter