[Rusplaya]

Some good things written here.

To answer was this in Russia no it was not. It was in us

[El Padrone]

Hoser, the civility of the environment is irrelevant if you view yourself as a separate from it.
Even for those in Organized Crime Groups, Never insulting people is one of the most important things you learn one way or the other.

No matter how despicable your opponent in court is, insulting language is never used.
Judges don't insult criminals they're about to sentence to death.

Just something I've found useful in life. If you got issues with someone, scheme against the person, or have a man to man sit down.

Insults are the mark of plebians not of patricians.

[Rocha]

(02-14-2017 11:55 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 12:08 AM)Rusplaya Wrote:  

...after about 20 mins I am fingering her.
...I finger her a bit more and afterwards she is like take my number.
wtf went wrong?

Here is the most important detail missing from your story.

Did you make her cum? More than once?

If you're really an expert at that sort of thing you'd be able to get her off in a public in a short amount of time and that would impress her enough to want to know how good you are at the real deal. Better yet if you whisper in her ear that it's just a taste of what you could do for her. You really have to make the most of physical contact because it's so much more persuasive than anything else.

No. If you are really an expert on that sort of thing, you make her come while banging her. Fingering is for hornier than life kids. It just kills the sex drive afterwards, regarding of wheter she comes or not, and breaks the mistery.

[Rusplaya]

(02-14-2017 06:34 AM)XXL Wrote:  

From what he wrote I got the feeling that he straight up ignored her. Playfully brushing her off is much better. Ignoring means no engagement which only creates wider gap between you and her.

Besides there are value shittests and comfort ones. Different kind requires different approach. I suppose she was comfort shittesting him. Those cannot be ignored cause the girl is looking for some reasons to sleep with you.

(02-14-2017 01:36 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:55 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 12:08 AM)Rusplaya Wrote:  

...after about 20 mins I am fingering her.
...I finger her a bit more and afterwards she is like take my number.
wtf went wrong?

Here is the most important detail missing from your story.

Did you make her cum? More than once?

If you're really an expert at that sort of thing you'd be able to get her off in a public in a short amount of time and that would impress her enough to want to know how good you are at the real deal. Better yet if you whisper in her ear that it's just a taste of what you could do for her. You really have to make the most of physical contact because it's so much more persuasive than anything else.

No. If you are really an expert on that sort of thing, you make her come while banging her. Fingering is for hornier than life kids. It just kills the sex drive afterwards, regarding of wheter she comes or not, and breaks the mistery.

yeah i agree with you brother. I smirked when she kept asking me this question. Looking back now it makes me laugh.

[Hoser]

El P: I appreciate your answer and the rationale behind it. When you put it that way, it does sound like you're trying to take the high road, and not just uttering a self-serving platitude.

Read up a little on r/K theory, however, or read SJWs Always Lie, and you'll surely admit that, when it comes to Leftists and narcissists, there's only one way to get their attention, and that way involves insults.

My apologies for thinking that your lashing out at [the person who pointed out that your +1 to OP was dubious] was other than altruistic.

[TooFineAPoint]

(02-14-2017 02:27 PM)Rusplaya Wrote:  

I smirked when she kept asking me this question.

Wouldn't it have been easier to just give her a simple answer and keep things moving forward?

"You smiled"

"You seemed cool"

"I like your energy"

"I dunno. Should I be concerned? Are you a serial killer?"

[Rusplaya]

(02-14-2017 03:17 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 02:27 PM)Rusplaya Wrote:  

I smirked when she kept asking me this question.

Wouldn't it have been easier to just give her a simple answer and keep things moving forward?

"You smiled"

"You seemed cool"

"I like your energy"

"I dunno. Should I be concerned? Are you a serial killer?"

I think said the dumb line "your energy" It wasn't enough for her.

[rudebwoy]

I like your brown/blue/grey/hazel eyes as you stare deeply into them.

I also like your style of dress, you got that wild rocker chick thing going.

What do you say we get out of here and go for a walk.

Do you like wine or tequila?

I have have some great tunes in my Honda! lol

[Rusplaya]

(02-14-2017 03:56 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I like your brown/blue/grey/hazel eyes as you stare deeply into them.

I also like your style of dress, you got that wild rocker chick thing going.

What do you say we get out of here and go for a walk.

Do you like wine or tequila?

I have have some great tunes in my Honda! lol

does that shit actually work fuck it ill try it man.

thanks buddy.

[rudebwoy]

^Yes, it works and especially when your balls are full and your horny.

With a girl like that, assuming she is as cute or nice as you say she is. The words would have flown out of my mouth like butter, not because I have extreme game but because I see blood in the water.

You managed to get her to another location and have her in the bathroom again, why not get a BJ or pour some JD (jack daniels) on your dick and insert.

I will assume she did not have friends there, despite her saying so.

[TooFineAPoint]

(02-14-2017 03:49 PM)Rusplaya Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 03:17 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 02:27 PM)Rusplaya Wrote:  

I smirked when she kept asking me this question.

Wouldn't it have been easier to just give her a simple answer and keep things moving forward?

"You smiled"

"You seemed cool"

"I like your energy"

"I dunno. Should I be concerned? Are you a serial killer?"

I think said the dumb line "your energy" It wasn't enough for her.

Forgive the sales analogy.

It's rare that a prospect is telling you what they need you to say to get them to buy.

Sounds like she's opening up a thread that needs to be concluded before action happens.

I'd like to hear the insights of a more seasoned player. But I don't consider it loss of frame control to pursue a line of thought that needs to be answered before a chick is ready to move forward.

I'm keeping in mind the context: you just met; you're in public. The real goal at that point isn't to fuck, the real goal is to move to a private setting.

This is all armchair quarterbacking, since few people (me included) are capable of this introspection in the moment. But when I first got into cold-call phone sales, one line helped me immensely.

It was from a book on Closing by Zig Ziglar. The close line was something like "is there any reason why you wouldn't get started today?".

Idea is that, without answering the primary objection in your subject's mind, they will not take the action you want. It's further complicated by the fact that people rarely tell you the real objection on first ask. You have to draw it out of them. But when you find it, you MUST answer it to their satisfaction.

Obviously it's a pussy dehydrator to say "is there any reason why you won't come back to my place and fuck me immediately". But this is more or less what you are doing with your body language, tone, touch, etc.

If she was not satisfied with your answer, it seems, in this case, like something you could have pursued further.

It's an emotional, not logical, progression. You practically could have listed any reasons that came to mind, one after another, until you found one that stuck.

Chicks do this type of thing all the time when they are trying to get your goat. They just start saying "you are scared", "you have a little dick", "you hate women", your mom didn't love you", blah blah. Until you respond to one (or not).

Normally I would say fuck that. But based on your notes, it seems like she really just wanted you to say the "right thing" then it was on.

Rarely matters (with emotional decisions) if you say 100 wrong things before you get to the right thing. Like trying many combos to a lock you can't quite remember.

[PapayaTapper]

There are a few things in the OP that make me want to call BS but ok..I'll play along.

What OP did right:

Ignoring a girls shit test is actually one of the most effective techniques for handling them. It's especially effective if you look her straight in the eyes (which you should be doing anyway) so that she knows you heard her and then just continue steering the convo in the direction you want. You can't fail if you don't play.

But this case isn't about the shit tests...he got past that

What OP did wrong

XXL and rudeboy already touched on it but I will elaborate. Physically escalationg in the club was the mistake.

Think of the the attraction to comfort to arousal to bang sequence the same way you would as lighting the fuse on a firecracker. Would you light a firecracker in the club, then put it out and hope you can relight it later? No. You dont light that fuse until your in the place you want it to go off (bang)

The "make out" is lighting the fuse Why? Because once you kiss there's no more plausible deniability as to why you want to bounce to your (or her) place. If youre making out out and even fingering her then there's nothing left but the bang...and even the most slutty of sluts doesn't think of herself as a slut that chooses to go bang a random dude she just met in a bar.

(Some do yes...but I'm making a generalization about improving your odds of converting a makeout into a bang)

If you think she wants / will let you but you don't kiss in the club then moving to somewhere more private becomes an easier transition. (The right combination of attraction and comfort is key...but that's another topic) This is a much lower ant-slut defense barrier to overcome. Once out of the public eye, away from her judgemental friends, and every other potential issue that might cause resistance it's much easier for her to go from makeout to finger to bang and chalk t up to "I don't know why, ...I just got so turned on, caught up in the moment and it just happened" ...(or whatever version magical thinking she uses to tell herself that relieves her of the responsibility...but that's another topic)

Ideally you make out with a chick for the first time on the sofa (or bed is even better) watching a movie in your underwear.

[rudebwoy]

^Normally I agree with your posts, but for me making out with a girl in a club is something I have done a few times and it hasn't led anywhere.

I prefer to build up sexual tension, even looking at a girl in a sexual way can get her going.

Despite not answering her question, the OP got her to a different venue and had her in the washroom. Maybe that is how she likes to get down, I mean she showed up to the first bar with no underwear on.

This was the second time he fingered, at this point I think she would want something more.

I would have gotten bored of doing that for 20 minutes, she probably got bored of that herself. So she brushed him of with the "give me your number line".

This story still sounds too good to be true.

[PapayaTapper]

(02-14-2017 06:17 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^Normally I agree with your posts, but for me making out with a girl in a club is something I have done a few times and it hasn't led anywhere.

I prefer to build up sexual tension, even looking at a girl in a sexual way can get her going.

Actually I think we are in agreement....(my post was a bit hastily/poorly written and therefore awkward ).... but making out / fingering in the club was his mistake IMO:

(02-14-2017 05:22 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

What OP did wrong

XXL and rudeboy already touched on it but I will elaborate. Physically escalating (sic) in the club was the mistake.

(02-14-2017 06:17 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

This story still sounds too good to be true.

I definitely agree with you there.

(02-14-2017 05:22 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

There are a few things in the OP that make me want to call BS but ok..I'll play along.

Either OP is a celebrity or his 0-10 scale is way off. A true 7-8 chick, in the US saying "why pick me if you could have any girl in the club"?.... smacks a bit like a poorly veiled "humblebrag" better suited to the Penthouse forum or

[CJ]

XXL is pretty much spot on. You over-valued, over-escalated and under-prepared.

Think about it bro, you're fingering her that much - where else is it gonna go if she goes home with you? Ya, she probably was DTF, but most girls don't want to feel like a slut. Which is what you refer to her as, and what she would've felt like leaving with you at that point.

Should've fed her some BS line when she kept asking "why her", pulled back a bit and moved to some place less sleazy than a public bathroom to close this one.

[Rusplaya]

(02-14-2017 05:22 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

There are a few things in the OP that make me want to call BS but ok..I'll play along.

What OP did right:

Ignoring a girls shit test is actually one of the most effective techniques for handling them. It's especially effective if you look her straight in the eyes (which you should be doing anyway) so that she knows you heard her and then just continue steering the convo in the direction you want. You can't fail if you don't play.

But this case isn't about the shit tests...he got past that

What OP did wrong

XXL and rudeboy already touched on it but I will elaborate. Physically escalationg in the club was the mistake.

Think of the the attraction to comfort to arousal to bang sequence the same way you would as lighting the fuse on a firecracker. Would you light a firecracker in the club, then put it out and hope you can relight it later? No. You dont light that fuse until your in the place you want it to go off (bang)

The "make out" is lighting the fuse Why? Because once you kiss there's no more plausible deniability as to why you want to bounce to your (or her) place. If youre making out out and even fingering her then there's nothing left but the bang...and even the most slutty of sluts doesn't think of herself as a slut that chooses to go bang a random dude she just met in a bar.

(Some do yes...but I'm making a generalization about improving your odds of converting a makeout into a bang)

If you think she wants / will let you but you don't kiss in the club then moving to somewhere more private becomes an easier transition. (The right combination of attraction and comfort is key...but that's another topic) This is a much lower ant-slut defense barrier to overcome. Once out of the public eye, away from her judgemental friends, and every other potential issue that might cause resistance it's much easier for her to go from makeout to finger to bang and chalk t up to "I don't know why, ...I just got so turned on, caught up in the moment and it just happened" ...(or whatever version magical thinking she uses to tell herself that relieves her of the responsibility...but that's another topic)

Ideally you make out with a chick for the first time on the sofa (or bed is even better) watching a movie in your underwear.

what is so off that you do not believe me buddy. This really happened and I never experienced something like this. Hence why made this post to see what more experienced people would of handled it.

Ugh just cause I am a relatively new account does not mean I am troll. Been on roosh forums for a while now just never made an actual account.

Again this story is not far fetched.

[Rusplaya]

(02-14-2017 06:39 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 06:17 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^Normally I agree with your posts, but for me making out with a girl in a club is something I have done a few times and it hasn't led anywhere.

I prefer to build up sexual tension, even looking at a girl in a sexual way can get her going.

Actually I think we are in agreement....(my post was a bit hastily/poorly written and therefore awkward ).... but making out / fingering in the club was his mistake IMO:

(02-14-2017 05:22 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

What OP did wrong

XXL and rudeboy already touched on it but I will elaborate. Physically escalating (sic) in the club was the mistake.

(02-14-2017 06:17 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

This story still sounds too good to be true.

I definitely agree with you there.

(02-14-2017 05:22 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

There are a few things in the OP that make me want to call BS but ok..I'll play along.

Either OP is a celebrity or his 0-10 scale is way off. A true 7-8 chick, in the US saying "why pick me if you could have any girl in the club"?.... smacks a bit like a poorly veiled "humblebrag" better suited to the Penthouse forum or

girl was very attractive solid 7.5 I shit you not.

Also people tell me all the time I am very good looking etc. I am 6'2 240lb at around 10% bf.

[Mufasa]

(02-14-2017 03:59 PM)Rusplaya Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 03:56 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I like your brown/blue/grey/hazel eyes as you stare deeply into them.

I also like your style of dress, you got that wild rocker chick thing going.

What do you say we get out of here and go for a walk.

Do you like wine or tequila?

I have have some great tunes in my Honda! lol

does that shit actually work fuck it ill try it man.

thanks buddy.

(02-14-2017 04:12 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^Yes, it works and especially when your balls are full and your horny.

With a girl like that, assuming she is as cute or nice as you say she is. The words would have flown out of my mouth like butter, not because I have extreme game but because I see blood in the water.

You managed to get her to another location and have her in the bathroom again, why not get a BJ or pour some JD (jack daniels) on your dick and insert.

I will assume she did not have friends there, despite her saying so.

Shit like this works because of the eye contact. Ive come to the conclusion that men hesitate to look a sexy girl in the eyes other wise it wouldn't be so effective. When you look her in the eyes like you are stealing her soul she can feel your energy. The eye contact allows you to get away with saying some hard body direct shit that she now loves you for being so bold--another thing men don't do. Its trouble and make it double.

(02-14-2017 07:45 PM)Rusplaya Wrote:  

what is so off that you do not believe me buddy. This really happened and I never experienced something like this. Hence why made this post to see what more experienced people would of handled it.

Ugh just cause I am a relatively new account does not mean I am troll. Been on roosh forums for a while now just never made an actual account.

Again this story is not far fetched.

The story is not farfetched. What makes it farfetched is your delivery. Its like you came to brag rather than seek help or tell a cool story. Shit seems off...

[Mufasa]

(02-14-2017 05:22 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

What OP did wrong

XXL and rudeboy already touched on it but I will elaborate. Physically escalationg in the club was the mistake.

Think of the the attraction to comfort to arousal to bang sequence the same way you would as lighting the fuse on a firecracker. Would you light a firecracker in the club, then put it out and hope you can relight it later? No. You dont light that fuse until your in the place you want it to go off (bang)

The "make out" is lighting the fuse Why? Because once you kiss there's no more plausible deniability as to why you want to bounce to your (or her) place. If youre making out out and even fingering her then there's nothing left but the bang...and even the most slutty of sluts doesn't think of herself as a slut that chooses to go bang a random dude she just met in a bar.

(Some do yes...but I'm making a generalization about improving your odds of converting a makeout into a bang)

If you think she wants / will let you but you don't kiss in the club then moving to somewhere more private becomes an easier transition. (The right combination of attraction and comfort is key...but that's another topic) This is a much lower ant-slut defense barrier to overcome. Once out of the public eye, away from her judgemental friends, and every other potential issue that might cause resistance it's much easier for her to go from makeout to finger to bang and chalk t up to "I don't know why, ...I just got so turned on, caught up in the moment and it just happened" ...(or whatever version magical thinking she uses to tell herself that relieves her of the responsibility...but that's another topic)

Ideally you make out with a chick for the first time on the sofa (or bed is even better) watching a movie in your underwear.

WOW.


Ive been having a major hang up in my game that I thought was me not hooking hard enough but I think this is actually it.
Im fire cracking it.
I never even thought about that, Ive always thought about the make out as a natural part of the seduction before bouncing her. In a one-on-one actually date I have no problems with the kiss while out and they seem to be begging for it with their eyes when I make the move--that has not blown up in my face...yet lol

But i ONS I would say that 90% of them didn't go anywhere if we made out or there was a hard core LMR when no pants dance time came around.

+1 for PT and XXL on this one. I think XXL touched on logistics in some other post I made but I didn't know this was what he meant by that. Real recongnized

So I meet a girl. Open her. Banter and teasing gets sexual, touch has escalated to her wrapping one or both arms around me. Over the time we have taken one or two shots.
(point a) This is where I bounce them to another venue typically a dimmer venue with dancing and start getting my makeouts and shoulder nibles.

So y'all are saying don't do "point a", that correct?

What do I do instead to keep the sexual tension climbing instead? I am now in uncharted territory. I thank you.

[Vaun]

(02-14-2017 01:25 PM)El Padrone Wrote:  

Hoser, the civility of the environment is irrelevant if you view yourself as a separate from it.
Even for those in Organized Crime Groups, Never insulting people is one of the most important things you learn one way or the other.

No matter how despicable your opponent in court is, insulting language is never used.
Judges don't insult criminals they're about to sentence to death.

Just something I've found useful in life. If you got issues with someone, scheme against the person, or have a man to man sit down.

Insults are the mark of plebians not of patricians.

There was a time when I never swore, never said anything negative whatsoever, never talked about sex, and generally said very little at all to a woman. Conversation was always light and fun. At least from what it appears now, those days seem to be long gone. But it always worked.

[Rusplaya]

Your welcome

[XXL]

Keep that in mind...

Fact #1. Makeouts are overrated
I mean full on makeouts. Once you eat her face (or even more) she gets aroused. Now the countdown begins and you race against time if you wanna bang cause that energy dies out with time. If you have no place to take her to then and there its gonna die and buyers remorse will follow. This is why....

Fact #2. Logistics tell you how to play
You have to know what you're dealing with first to know how to proceed further. Not the other way around. Escalating hard and "going for it" before knowing when and where is going blind. You will then play recovery game putting out fires you set yourself.

[Thoroughbred]

"What makes you think you didn't choose me?"

[El Padrone]

Vaun, I urge you to bring back those days.

Foul words are indicative of a disease of the soul, which are just as communicative as its physical.

Not to preach to the choir, but put dirty words and insults far away from you. Be grand and royal in your own fashion, and people will treat you as such. Its what I've found out and what you'll find out.

In all recorded human history, insults have not achieved anything for anyone, and only puts you in a hole ( which is sometimes six feet deep).

Gracias Vaun.

[Rusplaya]

(02-14-2017 10:29 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 03:59 PM)Rusplaya Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 03:56 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I like your brown/blue/grey/hazel eyes as you stare deeply into them.

I also like your style of dress, you got that wild rocker chick thing going.

What do you say we get out of here and go for a walk.

Do you like wine or tequila?

I have have some great tunes in my Honda! lol

does that shit actually work fuck it ill try it man.

thanks buddy.

(02-14-2017 04:12 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^Yes, it works and especially when your balls are full and your horny.

With a girl like that, assuming she is as cute or nice as you say she is. The words would have flown out of my mouth like butter, not because I have extreme game but because I see blood in the water.

You managed to get her to another location and have her in the bathroom again, why not get a BJ or pour some JD (jack daniels) on your dick and insert.

I will assume she did not have friends there, despite her saying so.

Shit like this works because of the eye contact. Ive come to the conclusion that men hesitate to look a sexy girl in the eyes other wise it wouldn't be so effective. When you look her in the eyes like you are stealing her soul she can feel your energy. The eye contact allows you to get away with saying some hard body direct shit that she now loves you for being so bold--another thing men don't do. Its trouble and make it double.

(02-14-2017 07:45 PM)Rusplaya Wrote:  

what is so off that you do not believe me buddy. This really happened and I never experienced something like this. Hence why made this post to see what more experienced people would of handled it.

Ugh just cause I am a relatively new account does not mean I am troll. Been on roosh forums for a while now just never made an actual account.

Again this story is not far fetched.

The story is not farfetched. What makes it farfetched is your delivery. Its like you came to brag rather than seek help or tell a cool story. Shit seems off...

Brag? Buddy I don't brag... I failed and didn't fuck her what exactly am I bragging about?