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02-21-2019, 08:08 PM
Graft.
Yeah I wouldnt know anything about climbing corporate ladders other than its not something I would pursue. Its soul crushing to work in those environments.
I think what I say will strike a chord with members of this forum who are looking for a way out of the western rat race, feminist women, boring life etc.
I say when your in your 20s to sell as many different things as you can so that you have broad experiences to draw from and networks to reach back to. Remote work is done over the phone, email, conferencing. Learning the logistics of telesales, managing sales people at various levels, and call centers and sophisticated systems and processes that bring various products to market is an extremely valuable skill.
In a nutshell what I have done is find semi succsessfull startups that have hit a critical mass to scale-up. I plug in cloud based, virtual call center oriented B2B sales protocols and technology and stirr...
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02-21-2019, 08:34 PM
Re: MSC/medical device
I got off of the conference call hours ago where the presenter talked about how the college finds jobs for graduates. They emphasize the job isn't for everyone and I definitely get the vibe once I give them my money they will run just like how my alma mater did to me (BTW fuck you xyz University). I'm still iffy about the opportunity not so much that I can't comprehend the material or afford it. I need to do more research and weigh my other options. I might actually be able to leave Illinois altogether and do this in another state. I will echo what EE and Graft have posted before this field is growing and there's large margins. This is a highly techical job that combines salesmanship not your standard used car dealership lot.
Since my sales skills are minimal I'm almost certainly ending up as an ASR making 50K per year with no pressure to sell. Eventually they promote and at that point you collect that commission. There comes the 6 digits $$$ Graft is talking about.
Funny enough one of the callers was a Canadian and raised concerns about how some US companies don't want to go through the trouble of visas.
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For the folks who stay ignorant and hating and not improving their situation during these Trump years, it will be bleak and cold once the good times stop.
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02-24-2019, 06:45 PM
Salesforce interview was exactly like Graft had said. Collecting basic information to pass on and I'll know in the next few days whether or not there's an in person. The other interview was ok, startup was very early stage, also collecting basic info.
Tomorrow I have a second round interview with a promising tech company.
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02-24-2019, 07:02 PM
Right on about residential real estate having high failure. I'm thinking about trying to break into commercial real estate this year though. Who has more experience in this field? What would you have to say?
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02-25-2019, 06:16 PM
I think I'm back to square one.
The tech company will get back to me next week, but I think they're looking for the perfect candidate since they want to "see what's out there in the market".
One of the other companies I had a second interview with followed up with me today because we ran out of time. She didn't seem as positive as the last time we talked.
Here are some hard stats for you guys:
Started sending out resumes on January 20th.
First interview on February 1st.
14 potential companies got in touch. Dropped down to 9 for external reasons; filled up, not looking anymore, too far, etc.
9 first round interviews.
3 second round interviews.
There's a big drop off from the first to second rounds. I've followed EndsExpects interviewing tips to the T. Either the market has become saturated with sdrs or there's something missing from my interviewing skills.
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02-27-2019, 10:06 PM
Quote: (02-20-2019 10:35 PM)Graft Wrote:
Zero Black.
Its called the 80/20 rule. 20 % of the sales people make 80% of the money. Being thick skinned enough to handle rejection. Overcoming objections that most sales guys cower to. And having a tenacious work ethis are essential atributes. When you add in the remote aspect which requires self starting and saying no to distractions an aditional 80% of sales guys that can sell in a structured environment, fail when working remotely.
Sales is alot like game. Infact before I learned and started practicing gaming women I was a succsessfull sales proffesional and usually outperformed sales teams of 30+ closers. I just never transferred the skillset to women. Once I made the connection wvwrything was downhill from there and my life got a hell of alot better!
I wouldn't take this post too seriously.
He's right about the 80/20 rule. 20% of salespeople that take the right steps, choose the right industry and a company with a game changing product, make 80% of the money.
If you dick around in B2C, door to door sales, startups, etc then yeah, most guys won't make shit except the top performers.
Selling shouldn't be incredibly difficult. It's picking a company that people want to talk to, with good marketing, inbound leads, brand name, being persistent, and applying some pressure for the close.
I don't even look at companies where more than 10-20% of reps are making less than 200k. It's setting myself up for failure.
Being a good salesperson is important. What's more important is choosing the right industry (tech or medical device) and the right product.
I can take the top 20 salespeople from enterprise tech with seven figure W2s and put them in a 1099 gig selling life insurance and they won't break 50k. Those 20 salespeople got to where they are because of solid skills, but mostly because of applying their talent in the right place at the right time.
"You'll make the most money in sales" is potentially the worst career advice of all time because it doesn't differentiate between the guy selling you your cell phone plan or your Nissan and the guy who sold $300 million of IBM mainframes to one of the largest companies in the world.
Everyone should consider themselves fortunate that I'm here telling you the difference, because early in my career I didn't have that guidance and spent too much time in low paying shit thinking that I'd be the 1% making a killing.
I don't even look at companies where more than 10-20% of reps are making less than 200k. It's setting myself up for failure.
How do you identify these companies? Do you just ask around or do you look through Linkedin/Glassdoor?
Growth Over Everything Else.
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02-28-2019, 11:11 AM
^^
I wish I could rep you again. If I were to go the tech sales route I wouldn't be filling out applications or dealing with HR nonsense. All I would do is message the hiring manager, recruiter, etc to meet up and seal the deal from there. The trick is to know what the hiring manager wants in his/her personal or professional life.
I got quite a handful of job searching work for the next few days. You all probably already know I have offers from oil companies that are willing to train me and other recruiters that want to see me. I'm like a hot girl now lol instead of the ugly chick passing food out at the cafeteria. Thanks once again Graft.
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03-01-2019, 05:08 PM
EE just called me a couple minutes ago, I really want to publicly thank him for that.
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03-01-2019, 09:57 PM
^^
Let me also say thanks for everyone who's given advice to me.
Graft has taken the time to do a phone call as well yesterday and it means a lot.
I really love this forum.
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03-02-2019, 10:07 PM
With everything going to the cloud would selling Data Center Hardware (HPE, Dell EMC, Cisco storage, etc.) be hustling backwards? Or would be selling for those companies still be great experience?
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03-05-2019, 05:06 PM
I'm currently getting paid $17 an hour to make phone calls for a real estate company. The commission structure is shit: I only get paid a small amount of money if the appointment I set converts.
In the past, I've done many other "crappy" sales jobs, such as selling knives, selling anti-aging skin creams, and trying to get people to donate to charities.
I'm hoping that I can use all this experience to get one of these SDR roles you guys have been talking about.
So, I googled "SDR jobs" in my city and most of them start about about 20$ an hour (so 40k base salary) + commission.
However, some of them require at least 1 year of B2B and SaaS experience, which I don't have.
Also, graduating with a useless bachelor's degree in psychology means I don't have a background in tech or medicine.
These missing qualifications are what discourages me the most.
At the same time, there are some SDR jobs that just require you to have some sales/telephone experience, which I do have.
So hopefully in the future, I'll be able to land one of these jobs.
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03-05-2019, 05:42 PM
If you don't like your job then job search. Or set aside time on your off days and learn a new skill and transition into something else. I just talked to a buddy of mine yesterday and he lucked out when he got fired and got a higher paying job within a week. Or you can be like me and spend years on and off and something eventually hits.
Your best bet is to go on Angel's list and get a phone interview with a startup. Some companies will hire you based on your experience. Good luck!
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