[Rigsby]

(05-10-2017 12:54 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

I spoke with Tommy this weekend via email/fb. Great bloke, as always. However, in unfortunate news he's been arrested simply for filming Muslim rape suspects outside court. You can donate to his legal fund, or just sign a petition at the link below:

https://www.therebel.media/save_tommy

I'll be donating to his legal fund, and I'll be signing the petition.

Thank you Teedub for being one of the few men prepared to put their balls on the line and stand up for what they believe in.

In fact, it was you, on this fine forum, that made me change my attitude towards Tommy. I slagged him to high heaven all over the place, the brainwashed fool I was. But your perseverance in getting the message across won out, and I made a public apology to Tommy in all those places where I had done him down.

One last time: Sorry Tommy, I was wrong about you.

Thanks Teedub for fighting Tommy's corner. It really does take big bollocks these days to just put your opinion out there, such is all the bullshit laws of our land, hate speech, etc.

Don't be afraid to speak up for what you believe in. Or die cowering like a coward. This may not be the front line or the trenches, but if it is not, then why do not more men join us? Why are we the only ones to speak out about the injustice of what happened to these children?

For all those big billy bollox that wanted to shut us down for being 'rape advocates' - who among them has the cajones to even voice their dissent about what this was all about (Pakistani Rape Gangs)? That's right. Not one. And they feel as if they are righteous? Virtue signalling cowards.

And that goes for the women and all the 'sisters' out there too. Yeah, you, reading this, writing for the guardian. Where the fuck were you when all these children were getting raped? That's right, protesting Drumpf and wearing a fucking pussy hat, like the real pussies you are. And not just because you have a pussy.

I relish the battle to come.

[Teedub]

Thank you mate, appreciate the kind words.

[H1N1]

(05-10-2017 04:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 03:22 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  

Not going to be a popular opinion, and Muslim thugs are a tremendous problem with no obvious solution, however, Tommy Robinson is doing exactly what the MSM do with alleged sex pests, including the likes of Brock Turner et al, and assuming that an accusation amounts to a conviction. It most certainly does not. If one is to be consistent then these men must be accorded the same presumption of innocence as the likes of Brock Turner or any other. Fiat justitia ruat caelum.

While most forms of outrage are unjustified, sometimes they are not. This is one of them because British society needs a severe course correction after decades of politicians and cops looking the other way when the rape gangs were roaming the streets with impunity.



So while Tommy may indeed portray innocent Muslims as guilty - most of them will still be guilty while the innocent ones will still hopefully go free - the ends justify the means of undoing the PC diversity culture.

The idea of 'rape gangs roaming the streets with impunity' is pure fantasy. There are undoubtedly a great many transgressions by muslims, (some big, some small) that go unnoticed and/or unpunished. There is enough to be legitimately outraged and appalled by without needing to resort to obvious distortions for political gain.

Personally I am every bit as resistant to your form of authoritarianism as I am to the Left's. I've no interest in enganging in lies and distortions to advance a political agenda. This kind of grubby behaviour belongs in the Third World. I am not at all persuaded that such a regression in our attitudes will subsequently lead to a great leap forward and the restoration of truth, freedom and justice for all.

[Foolsgo1d]

(05-11-2017 03:24 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 04:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 03:22 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  

Not going to be a popular opinion, and Muslim thugs are a tremendous problem with no obvious solution, however, Tommy Robinson is doing exactly what the MSM do with alleged sex pests, including the likes of Brock Turner et al, and assuming that an accusation amounts to a conviction. It most certainly does not. If one is to be consistent then these men must be accorded the same presumption of innocence as the likes of Brock Turner or any other. Fiat justitia ruat caelum.

While most forms of outrage are unjustified, sometimes they are not. This is one of them because British society needs a severe course correction after decades of politicians and cops looking the other way when the rape gangs were roaming the streets with impunity.



So while Tommy may indeed portray innocent Muslims as guilty - most of them will still be guilty while the innocent ones will still hopefully go free - the ends justify the means of undoing the PC diversity culture.

The idea of 'rape gangs roaming the streets with impunity' is pure fantasy.

You're right. They don't roam the streets they live in, they occupy it like a gang would and word travels very fast. If you got into an altercation with one or two of them then within a matter of minutes over a dozen will be in your face.

These guys aren't just black ghotto thugs out for their own street cred and who will jump you after the first guy lays into you, they will attack you like a wolfpack regardless of who you are.

They don't give you the nigga this and nigga that crap talk. When they look at you you are a true enemy of theirs and should never had stepped up to them. Go watch some videos from the UK and look at their faces, their eyes and the body language. Do you see big baller attitude or straight up murderous hate?

There are more murders in ghettos but thats part of the culture there and there are many factions. Over here its mainly isolationism of one big gang and a few outsiders who don't want to stir the pot.

Its really difficult to describe these communities to those outside of the UK and Europe itself, especially to those in the US or elsewhere.

[Ghost Tiger]

(05-11-2017 03:24 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

I've no interest in enganging in lies and distortions to advance a political agenda. This kind of grubby behaviour belongs in the Third World. I am not at all persuaded that such a regression in our attitudes will subsequently lead to a great leap forward and the restoration of truth, freedom and justice for all.

Well, the Third World has come to Britain buds. It certainly came to Rotherham, perhaps you've heard of the rapes that took place there and the systemic cover-up? No one cares what you are or are not persuaded of. Some of us, like the heroic Tommy Robinson, have decided to take our heads out of the sand and DO SOMETHING about the invasion. You can keep your head firmly up your own ass if you like. No one cares. You don't matter. We will all be Alt Right soon.

You like to criticize Sir Tommy for engaging in tactics that are "similar" to those of the leftist MSM... "lies and distortions to advance a political agenda". We're at war kid and the first casualty of war is the truth. Pacifists don't win wars. You seem to be implying that Sir Tommy is some kind of hypocrite for engaging in "similar" tactics as the leftist MSM... and I really wonder how you would react if Tommy used the tactics he would probably much rather use... such as simply bringing an automatic weapon to that court house and opening fire on those savages in the interest and advancement of Reconquista 2.0. I'm sure you would refer to such tactics as "regressive" and "barbaric". Well, you don't win wars with pencil-neck diplomats in the boardroom, you win them with patriot boots on the ground. Boots like those of Sir Tommy Robinson, Knight of the Realm.

Reconquista 2.0 or Sharia. You've clearly made your choice with your feckless surrender talk. Pacifist.

Samuel Adams Wrote:

If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were ever our countrymen.

[Rigsby]

(05-11-2017 03:24 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 04:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 03:22 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  

Not going to be a popular opinion, and Muslim thugs are a tremendous problem with no obvious solution, however, Tommy Robinson is doing exactly what the MSM do with alleged sex pests, including the likes of Brock Turner et al, and assuming that an accusation amounts to a conviction. It most certainly does not. If one is to be consistent then these men must be accorded the same presumption of innocence as the likes of Brock Turner or any other. Fiat justitia ruat caelum.

While most forms of outrage are unjustified, sometimes they are not. This is one of them because British society needs a severe course correction after decades of politicians and cops looking the other way when the rape gangs were roaming the streets with impunity.



So while Tommy may indeed portray innocent Muslims as guilty - most of them will still be guilty while the innocent ones will still hopefully go free - the ends justify the means of undoing the PC diversity culture.

The idea of 'rape gangs roaming the streets with impunity' is pure fantasy. There are undoubtedly a great many transgressions by muslims, (some big, some small) that go unnoticed and/or unpunished. There is enough to be legitimately outraged and appalled by without needing to resort to obvious distortions for political gain.

Personally I am every bit as resistant to your form of authoritarianism as I am to the Left's. I've no interest in enganging in lies and distortions to advance a political agenda. This kind of grubby behaviour belongs in the Third World. I am not at all persuaded that such a regression in our attitudes will subsequently lead to a great leap forward and the restoration of truth, freedom and justice for all.

Once again I agree with you somewhat H1N1. To be fair to Samseau, and with all respect to him, sometimes he does get a bit of a distorted view of our Sceptred Isle. I don't think he distorts purposefully for propaganda purposes. This is a very emotive issue. It is not 'unmanly' to get a little emotional over it. Many choose to shun the issue, but those that engage will undoubtedly 'fire from the hip' sometimes. Not speaking for Samseau. Just giving my interpretation which may very well be wrong.

I'm sure us British sometimes interfere with the domestic politics of the US and get it quaintly wrong. But on the whole, I think we are treated quite well, with a certain amount of grace, even. I should like to reciprocate that.

I certainly don't think there are 'rape gangs roaming the street' - it sounds almost like a post-apocalyptic mad max scenario, but there is definitely a certain amount of impunity with all of this. Foolsgo1d made the point in another thread about the networks available both via the motorways and the community at large. And when you look at the sheer scale of what is happening here, I think he is on to something. They may not be roaming the streets, but perhaps they are roaming the motorways as entry/exit points for their crimes. They certainly have got it down to a fine art, I will give them that.

Of course, 90 percent of all muslims are good people. No one doubts that, but the bad apples are causing a disproportionate amount of trouble. And it also seems to be those in the Pakistani community as well that have the most contempt for our native white christian children.

There is no witch-hunt. It is all being dealt with according to the laws of the land. There are no lynchings. In fact, the police and the judiciary system have been proven to have dragged their feet over this. They have had a free pass for too long. It looks like the happy days of the last 2 decades are coming to an end for them. By 'them' I mean the rapists and pedophiles. I think that is a good thing.

I certainly do not think that Tommy is trying to portray innocent muslims as being guilty though, Samseau. That is nonsense. Tommy wants justice. The people want justice. There are no lynch mobs here.

I welcome your voice of reason and balance H1N1, as always.

[Rigsby]

(05-11-2017 08:50 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 03:24 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 04:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 03:22 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  

Not going to be a popular opinion, and Muslim thugs are a tremendous problem with no obvious solution, however, Tommy Robinson is doing exactly what the MSM do with alleged sex pests, including the likes of Brock Turner et al, and assuming that an accusation amounts to a conviction. It most certainly does not. If one is to be consistent then these men must be accorded the same presumption of innocence as the likes of Brock Turner or any other. Fiat justitia ruat caelum.

While most forms of outrage are unjustified, sometimes they are not. This is one of them because British society needs a severe course correction after decades of politicians and cops looking the other way when the rape gangs were roaming the streets with impunity.



So while Tommy may indeed portray innocent Muslims as guilty - most of them will still be guilty while the innocent ones will still hopefully go free - the ends justify the means of undoing the PC diversity culture.

The idea of 'rape gangs roaming the streets with impunity' is pure fantasy.

You're right. They don't roam the streets they live in, they occupy it like a gang would and word travels very fast. If you got into an altercation with one or two of them then within a matter of minutes over a dozen will be in your face.

These guys aren't just black ghotto thugs out for their own street cred and who will jump you after the first guy lays into you, they will attack you like a wolfpack regardless of who you are.

They don't give you the nigga this and nigga that crap talk. When they look at you you are a true enemy of theirs and should never had stepped up to them. Go watch some videos from the UK and look at their faces, their eyes and the body language. Do you see big baller attitude or straight up murderous hate?

There are more murders in ghettos but thats part of the culture there and there are many factions. Over here its mainly isolationism of one big gang and a few outsiders who don't want to stir the pot.

Its really difficult to describe these communities to those outside of the UK and Europe itself, especially to those in the US or elsewhere.

Anyone that has engaged in street warfare in the UK will know what you talk about. Muslims always hunt in packs. Not that the blacks and the whites don't as well (oh, have I got some stories about white scum). But what you say I can corroborate as not being wholly untrue. They are cowards. But they are murderous cowards. I'm only talking about the bad apples here, not the other 90 percent of peace loving muslims who just want a quiet life (ok, they don't mind the odd bomb killing whitey either, but you can't have it all eh?).

We have no-go ghettos here where even the police will not venture. Why? Not because they are faced with bulked up T-Filled warriors. But packs of rats that fight en masse.

Cowards. As I said. Sure, you get the odd big one that fancies his chances. But I know some boys over 7 foot tall who drop from planes at 10,000 feet, and they would shit their brick at meeting one of them.

I know those videos you're talking about Foolsgo1d, and they are indeed rabid. It's a deeper hatred again than a big-baller trying to save face. Then again, you have never met hate until you have met 5 white skinheads on the district line to Dagenham. And you have never known fear like it either. This is why I don't like skinheads. Now they have blind racism. But then again, where is it? They don't go in to the bad places. They take it out on other weaker white people on trains with dreadlocks and red hair. No one deserves to die for a fucking hair cut.

We have a society full of rage. A ticking time-bomb waiting for a spark. The results may surprise you when it all kicks off. It will surprise us all I think. I really don't know what to expect. Thankfully that day will probably never come.

London is a vicious cunt of a city. People get murdered here every day for nothing and no investigation unless you are a lawyer or a woman etc.

But it seems like the other places are catching up. Luton, Tommy's home town - a grandmother died after being attacked in her own home. She could not survive it. No mention was made of race. Does it matter? Scum is scum. That scum will get away with it. We do not look after our own.

No one is trying to scapegoat here, but have some situational awareness.

[Rigsby]

Huddersfield this time. I'll just post this here to let the names of the accused sink in. Of course, they may all be innocent, and that is why British justice is so wonderful. They will get a fair trial. These men and women are not guilty, to be clear, but it is also not against the laws of this land to share their names. Local papers do this for shits and giggles every day. Here, we are truly seeking justice.

............................


HUGE LIST OF DEFENDANTS AND CATALOGUE OF ALLEGED CRIMES

Amere Singh Dhaliwal, 34, of Huddersfield is charged with 54 offences. He is charged with 21 counts of rape, 14 counts of trafficking, as well as inciting a child to engage in sexual activity, sexual assault, sexual touching, possession of indecent images of a child, racially aggravated assault and inciting a child into prostitution.

Raj Singh Barsran, 33, of Huddersfield. He is charged with sexual touching and rape.

Abdul Rehman, 29, of Sheffield. He is charged with rape, trafficking, supplying drugs, supply of a controlled substance with intent to engage in sexual activity and sexual touching.

Nasarat Hussain, 28, of Huddersfield. He is charged with three counts of rape, attempted rape and inciting a female to engage in sexual activity.

Irfan Ahmed, 32, of Huddersfield. He is charged with six counts of trafficking, sexual assault, making indecent images of a child and inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.

Zubair Ahmed, 30, of Huddersfield. He is charged with rape and possession of extreme pornography.

Mohammed Riswan Aslam, 29, of Dewsbury. He is charged with two counts of rape.

Mohammed Kammer, 32, of Huddersfield. He is charged with two counts of rape.

Mohammad Nahman, 31, of Huddersfield. He is charged with trafficking, sexual assault, and two counts of rape.

Hamzha Ali Saleem, 37, of Old Trafford, Greater Manchester. He is charged with three counts of trafficking.

Zahid Hassan, 28, of Huddersfield. He is charged with eight counts of rape, five counts of trafficking, racially aggravated assault, supplying drugs, inciting a child into sexual activity, child abduction and attempted rape.

Mohammad Azeem, 31, of Bradford. He is charged with three counts of rape.

Sajid Hussain, 32, of Huddersfield. He is charged with three counts of rape, facilitating the commission of sexual activity on a child and inciting a child into sexual activity.

Mansoor Akhtar, 25, of Huddersfield. He is charged with rape, attempted rape and two counts of trafficking.

Mohammed Asaf Akram, 31, of Huddersfield. He is charged with seven counts of rape, three counts of trafficking, child abduction, supplying drugs, sexual assault and making threats to kill.

Zulwarnain Dogar, 29, of Huddersfield. He is charged with sexual touching and trafficking.

Manzoor Hassan, 37, of Huddersfield. He is charged with supply of a noxious substance with intent to injure, annoy or aggrieve a female, supply of Class A drugs and inciting a child into prostitution.

Mohammad Ifraz, 28, of Huddersfield. He is charged with trafficking a female within the UK with a view to her sexual exploitation, rape, false imprisonment, child abduction, taking indecent images of a child and inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.

Wiqas Mahmud, 36, of Huddersfield. He is charged with three counts of rape.

Faisal Nadeem, 30, of Huddersfield. He is charged with supplying drugs, rape and possession of extreme pornography.

Niaz Ahmed, 53, of Huddersfield. He is charged with inciting a child into sexual activity and sexual assault.

Asif Bashir, 32, of Huddersfield. He is charged with four counts of rape and attempted rape.

Mohammad Imran Ibrar, 32, of Huddersfield. He is charged with trafficking, facilitating the commission of sexual activity on a child, assault occasioning actual bodily harm, supplying drugs.

Aleem Javaid, 27, of Huddersfield. He is charged with rape and supplying drugs.

Mohammed Saqib Raheel, 30, of Dudley. He is charged with trafficking and child abduction.

Usman Khalid, 29, of Huddersfield. He is charged with sexual assault, child abduction and sexual touching.

Everton La Bastide, 50, of Huddersfield. He is charged with two counts of sexual assault.

Shahnaz Akhtar Malik, 55, of Huddersfield. She is charged with one count of child neglect.

Naveeda Habib, 38, of Huddersfield. She is charged with one count of child neglect.

..............

http://archive.is/k7pHk

[TigerMandingo]

(05-10-2017 03:22 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  

Not going to be a popular opinion, and Muslim thugs are a tremendous problem with no obvious solution, however, Tommy Robinson is doing exactly what the MSM do with alleged sex pests, including the likes of Brock Turner et al, and assuming that an accusation amounts to a conviction. It most certainly does not. If one is to be consistent then these men must be accorded the same presumption of innocence as the likes of Brock Turner or any other. Fiat justitia ruat caelum.

Forgive me for my naivete, but I'm gonna give Brock Turner more benefit of the doubt than Abdullah, the goat herder from Islamabad with low impulse control.

[Rigsby]

I posted this list of rape gangs in the previous page. Aylesbury was not on that list and I gave some details of Aylesbury. Well Huddersfield is also not on this list. How many other cities and town are missing?

(Sheffield, Dewsbury and Dudley were not on that list)



We dealt with the omission of Aylesbury, now let us deal with the omission of Huddersfield. See my list posted above for the names of the accused (not found guilty yet), both men and even women!

http://archive.is/k7pHk


EDL protests as 27 men and two women appear in court over dozens of charges of rape and exploitation in Huddersfield 'grooming gang' case

A group of 27 men and two women have appeared in court today accused of more than 170 charges relating to the rape, sexual exploitation and neglect of 18 children over seven years.
The majority of the defendants, most of whom are from the Huddersfield area, arrived and left Leeds Crown Court with their faces covered with masks, scarves or hoods amid protests outside.
A large crowd, some of whom were from the English Defence League and also covered their faces, waited on the steps of the court all day, yelling at defendants, who were escorted by police.
The 27 men are accused of committing historic sex, trafficking and exploitation offences against 18 girls aged between 11 and 17 between 2004 and 2011.
The two women are accused of child neglect.

Now, that is going back 13 fucking years! And children of 11. Pre-teens!

Love this shot of the Sikh protesting alongside the EDL. What was I saying about the Sikh community and the respect they have here? What was that you were saying about the EDL being nasty racists? Exactly.



Sheffield, Dewsbury, Bradford, Dudley. Notice a pattern at all. You should.

West Yorkshire Police said last month that the 29 arrests were carried out following an investigation which began in late 2013.

Fuck me that didn't take them long did it. Dragging of heels, much?

They had to split them in to three groups.

Amere Singh Dhaliwal, 34, of Huddersfield, is accused of 21 counts of rape and 30 other charges including racially aggravated assault and inciting a child into prostitution.

Fuck me dead! The cunt is a racist as well. Allegedly!

The majority of the other men are accused of similar offences including rape, sexual assault, trafficking, sexual exploitation, having or making indecent images of children or the supply of a noxious substance.

Naveeda Habib, 38, and Shahnaz Malik, 55, are the only female defendants in the case and are accused of child neglect.

Read the whole archive link. Comments disabled at the Daily Mail, but fair play, you didn't hear about this on the BBC or in the Guardian, did you?

We are looking at a few dozen towns and cities in the UK where rape gangs are operating. Granted, some of them may be fascist white supremacist skinheads, or maybe even the odd Indian Race Troll pack, and the possibility of a rogue Thai ex-cannabis farmers association is not totally ruled out, but so far, it seems that most of them are muslim and most of them are of British Pakistani Heritage. But all men are presumed innocent until proven guilty in this land (actually not the case at all), so we will reserve judgement. We are reasonable men. We only want justice.

Is that too much to ask?


Archive link:
http://archive.is/k7pHk

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Posted for levity for Lenny, coz I know he's in to this kind of shit:


Who isn't?

Sometimes, the Police have no idea of just how much support they have!

[Rigsby]

Worth a watch. He gives a reasoned argument. No shouting. No intimidation.

Make up your own mind. Soldiers being spat on by muslims. The police let it happen. The army aren't the biggest fans of the police by the way, and this is one reason. The muslims shouted 'kill the jews' - the police let that happen as well.

Time to make your mind up.

[H1N1]

(05-11-2017 02:33 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 03:24 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

I've no interest in enganging in lies and distortions to advance a political agenda. This kind of grubby behaviour belongs in the Third World. I am not at all persuaded that such a regression in our attitudes will subsequently lead to a great leap forward and the restoration of truth, freedom and justice for all.

Well, the Third World has come to Britain buds. It certainly came to Rotherham, perhaps you've heard of the rapes that took place there and the systemic cover-up? No one cares what you are or are not persuaded of. Some of us, like the heroic Tommy Robinson, have decided to take our heads out of the sand and DO SOMETHING about the invasion. You can keep your head firmly up your own ass if you like. No one cares. You don't matter. We will all be Alt Right soon.

You like to criticize Sir Tommy for engaging in tactics that are "similar" to those of the leftist MSM... "lies and distortions to advance a political agenda". We're at war kid and the first casualty of war is the truth. Pacifists don't win wars. You seem to be implying that Sir Tommy is some kind of hypocrite for engaging in "similar" tactics as the leftist MSM... and I really wonder how you would react if Tommy used the tactics he would probably much rather use... such as simply bringing an automatic weapon to that court house and opening fire on those savages in the interest and advancement of Reconquista 2.0. I'm sure you would refer to such tactics as "regressive" and "barbaric". Well, you don't win wars with pencil-neck diplomats in the boardroom, you win them with patriot boots on the ground. Boots like those of Sir Tommy Robinson, Knight of the Realm.

Reconquista 2.0 or Sharia. You've clearly made your choice with your feckless surrender talk. Pacifist.

Samuel Adams Wrote:

If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were ever our countrymen.

You've managed to miss my point. I don't dispute that our culture has been eroded by a vast and sudden influx of the Third World, and nor do I think it a desirable thing. Where we differ is that I don't agree that the correct strategy is simply to adopt Third World attitudes and beliefs. All you have to offer is an ethno-centric, authoritarian regression to a pre-enlightenment position, as opposed to a Left, authoritarian regression to the same point. Fundamentally, you're not offering anything different to those you claim to despise. I for one want no part of what either of you are selling.

I criticised Samseau for advocating lies and distortions to advance a political agenda, not Tommy Robinson.

You say truth is the first casualty of war. A better quote (indeed it is sublime) is Samual Johnson's: 'Among the calamities of war may be jointly numbered the diminution of the love of truth, by the falsehoods which interest dictates and credulity encourages.' You feel yourself at war and have abandoned reason, and indeed are ready to believe anything (including the notion that 1400 young girls were raped in Rotherham) in so far as it furthers your agenda. Truth is a casualty because people like you close your eyes and ears to it, and demand that the rest of us believe nonsense for the good of your cause. As a patriotic Englishman I am as concerned as anyone about what is happening to the country I love: the erosion of freedom and the transformation of our cultural landscape. However, as such, I will not give in to tyrants of any stripe - and yours is a superficially different form of the same tyranny.

You are right to suggest that I would be appalled if TR were to 'bring(ing) an automatic weapon to that court house and open(ing) fire on those savages in the interest and advancement of Reconquista 2.0.'. It would be an act that was entirely inimical with the truths, freedoms, morality, and justice that made this country great and from which we've already fallen a long way. I would see anyone who condoned such acts as my most avowed enemies.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Mr Realism: The left/rapefugees are using lies and slander as propaganda tactics.
Mr Moral High Ground: Pfft. Savages. We shall not lower ourselves to their level.
Mr Realism: The left/rapefugees are employing street violence and calling it a protest.
Mr Moral High Ground: Pfft. Savages. We shall not lower ourselves to their level.
Mr Realism: The left/rapefugees are killing random and targeted conservatives and the police are doing little to nothing about it.
Mr Moral High Ground: Pfft. Savages. We shall not lower ourselves to their level.
Mr Realism: The left/rapefugees are massing to purge our neighbourhood.
Mr Moral High Ground: Pfft. Savages. We shall not lower ourselves to their level.

Here lies Mr Moral High Ground
19xx - 20xx
At least he didn't lower
himself to their level.

p.s. As an afterthought, expound on the murderous and unlawful rebellion of the colonists that formed the United States of America in the context of criminal tax evasion writ large.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-11-2017 07:24 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

... Then again, you have never met hate until you have met 5 white skinheads on the district line to Dagenham. And you have never known fear like it either. This is why I don't like skinheads. Now they have blind racism. But then again, where is it? They don't go in to the bad places. They take it out on other weaker white people on trains with dreadlocks and red hair. No one deserves to die for a fucking hair cut.
...

If/When interracial violence actually goes mainstream then these skinheads will not be involved in the slightest. In actual fact they will be wise to tuck tail and find a deep, dark hole to hide in. Terror organised by plumbers and electricians and accountants will be the kind of impassive affair wherein generically violent malcontents like skinheads are dispatched for no reason other than the fact that their continued existence is not conducive the to post-violence society such men are attempting to build.

[Ghost Tiger]

(05-12-2017 03:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

You've managed to miss my point. I don't dispute that our culture has been eroded by a vast and sudden influx of the Third World, and nor do I think it a desirable thing. Where we differ is that I don't agree that the correct strategy is simply to adopt Third World attitudes and beliefs. All you have to offer is an ethno-centric, authoritarian regression to a pre-enlightenment position, as opposed to a Left, authoritarian regression to the same point. Fundamentally, you're not offering anything different to those you claim to despise. I for one want no part of what either of you are selling.

Where what I'm selling differs vastly from what the left is selling is in the fact that what I'm offering is rooted in Christianity. My point of view is not specifically for ethno-centrism, nor is it against it... it simply isn't about ethno-centrism at all. But it is true that I will disavow no ehtno-centrist simply for his ethno-centrism. It just so happens that the enlightenment was conducted by Christian white people, and the enlightenment depended upon the Christianity of the white people who conducted it. It was their Christianity that liberated them from the darkness, it just so happens that they were white. So I recognize that an abundance of white people in any given area is not a phenomenon that should be vehemently opposed (as you are in fact vehemently opposing it). You see, where what I'm offering is independent of ethno-centrism, what you are offering is focused entirely on it. Your whole argument is consumed with the fear of being labelled an ethno-centrist. It matters not to you however many daughters of Britain and Christian civilization are raped by the pagan savage invaders as long as you one day die in your bed happy in the knowledge that you cannot be found guilty of racism. There are worse crimes than racism my friend. Theft, rape and murder are a few of them.

Furthermore, Christianity is the operating system that the software of the enlightenment ran on. The left advocates a culture that is antagonistic towards Christianity by importing pagan savages who belong to a death cult and making their only election issue of interest the requirement that taxpayers subsidize the Satanic murder of unborn children. The left truly is the party of Satan and Mohammed (but I repeat myself).

(05-12-2017 03:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

I criticised Samseau for advocating lies and distortions to advance a political agenda, not Tommy Robinson.

So what? Surely you would condemn Sir Tommy for the same imagined crime, so why split this irrelevant hair? Just to play "gotcha"?

(05-12-2017 03:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

You say truth is the first casualty of war. A better quote (indeed it is sublime) is Samual Johnson's: 'Among the calamities of war may be jointly numbered the diminution of the love of truth, by the falsehoods which interest dictates and credulity encourages.' You feel yourself at war and have abandoned reason, and indeed are ready to believe anything (including the notion that 1400 young girls were raped in Rotherham) in so far as it furthers your agenda.

This is a remarkable statement. Are you implying that I should not believe that these rapes took place? For Christ's sake man... even the communist BBC has produced a show about this disaster. It's myopia like yours that permitted the systemic cover-up to be sure. The magnitude of your blue-pill intoxication is indeed stunning.

(05-12-2017 03:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

You are right to suggest that I would be appalled if TR were to 'bring(ing) an automatic weapon to that court house and open(ing) fire on those savages in the interest and advancement of Reconquista 2.0.'. It would be an act that was entirely inimical with the truths, freedoms, morality, and justice that made this country great and from which we've already fallen a long way. I would see anyone who condoned such acts as my most avowed enemies.

Yes it is clear your firewall is to the right and you will give no love to those, like great patriot Sir Tommy Robinson, who should be your natural allies. And by your disavowal of your natural allies, you give aid and comfort to the enemies of your natural allies. And that is the textbook definition of a cuck.

Civic nationalism is a utopian pipe dream. Libertarianism is dead because its worldview is wrong.

We will all be Alt Right soon.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Ghost Tiger is prodding at something that's been bothering me for a while.

It's these ridiculous purity tests some people on the right insist on engaging in indulging in.

We here rightly deride feminists who attack white Christian men while simultaneously giving a total pass to muslims who break the needle on the chauvinist detector. We characterise these attacks as being fundamentally cowardly, because they're taking their aggression out on people they know wont fight back in any real sense. It's their cover for avoiding a legitimate battle that might be difficult and dangerous.

One of the biggest hurdles we are going to face (and have faced for more than a decade now) are those who would claim to be on our side, yet who are basically scared to engage the obvious enemy in favour of the one they know will not cut them a new arsehole. Their own presumed team-mates.

We see this from Libertarians who will scream at conservatives all day long but cut a wide berth around militant communists. We see this from gun-rights fanatics who utterly avoid gun control fanatics, preferring to scream abuse at people who have the audacity to support concealed carry but oppose open carry. We see this from atheists who become instantly triggered when Christianity is mentioned yet who quietly tip their head in submission when a muslim passes by. We see just the same in some Christians who chastise atheists and will claim a mythical common ground with that same "God fearing" muslim.

This attitude is frankly outrageous and no longer tolerable. It would be akin to a soldier in the trenches, bullets whizzing overhead, spending his time screaming at his comrades that their boots were not tied to regulation standard and that their gig line was off kilter.

Nit-pickers and perfectionists would do well to remember that when things get serious nobody is going to be interested in having their SOPs combed through by some academic purist determined to make sure that everyone "on his team" is living up to his standards.

The future belongs to those who will fight for it, and the armchair quarterbacks will be given all the consideration they truly deserve. None.

[Elster]

(05-12-2017 08:30 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

This attitude is frankly outrageous and no longer tolerable. It would be akin to a soldier in the trenches, bullets whizzing overhead, spending his time screaming at his comrades that their boots were not tied to regulation standard and that their gig line was off kilter.

Funnily enough, this reminds me of Germans

[H1N1]

(05-12-2017 08:01 AM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 03:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

You've managed to miss my point. I don't dispute that our culture has been eroded by a vast and sudden influx of the Third World, and nor do I think it a desirable thing. Where we differ is that I don't agree that the correct strategy is simply to adopt Third World attitudes and beliefs. All you have to offer is an ethno-centric, authoritarian regression to a pre-enlightenment position, as opposed to a Left, authoritarian regression to the same point. Fundamentally, you're not offering anything different to those you claim to despise. I for one want no part of what either of you are selling.

1 Where what I'm selling differs vastly from what the left is selling is in the fact that what I'm offering is rooted in Christianity. My point of view is not specifically for ethno-centrism, nor is it against it... it simply isn't about ethno-centrism at all. But it is true that I will disavow no ehtno-centrist simply for his ethno-centrism. It just so happens that the enlightenment was conducted by Christian white people, and the enlightenment depended upon the Christianity of the white people who conducted it. It was their Christianity that liberated them from the darkness, it just so happens that they were white. So I recognize that an abundance of white people in any given area is not a phenomenon that should be vehemently opposed (as you are in fact vehemently opposing it). You see, where what I'm offering is independent of ethno-centrism, what you are offering is focused entirely on it. Your whole argument is consumed with the fear of being labelled an ethno-centrist. It matters not to you however many daughters of Britain and Christian civilization are raped by the pagan savage invaders as long as you one day die in your bed happy in the knowledge that you cannot be found guilty of racism. There are worse crimes than racism my friend. Theft, rape and murder are a few of them.

Furthermore, Christianity is the operating system that the software of the enlightenment ran on. The left advocates a culture that is antagonistic towards Christianity by importing pagan savages who belong to a death cult and making their only election issue of interest the requirement that taxpayers subsidize the Satanic murder of unborn children. The left truly is the party of Satan and Mohammed (but I repeat myself).

(05-12-2017 03:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

I criticised Samseau for advocating lies and distortions to advance a political agenda, not Tommy Robinson.

2So what? Surely you would condemn Sir Tommy for the same imagined crime, so why split this irrelevant hair? Just to play "gotcha"?

(05-12-2017 03:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

You say truth is the first casualty of war. A better quote (indeed it is sublime) is Samual Johnson's: 'Among the calamities of war may be jointly numbered the diminution of the love of truth, by the falsehoods which interest dictates and credulity encourages.' You feel yourself at war and have abandoned reason, and indeed are ready to believe anything (including the notion that 1400 young girls were raped in Rotherham) in so far as it furthers your agenda.

3This is a remarkable statement. Are you implying that I should not believe that these rapes took place? For Christ's sake man... even the communist BBC has produced a show about this disaster. It's myopia like yours that permitted the systemic cover-up to be sure. The magnitude of your blue-pill intoxication is indeed stunning.

(05-12-2017 03:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

You are right to suggest that I would be appalled if TR were to 'bring(ing) an automatic weapon to that court house and open(ing) fire on those savages in the interest and advancement of Reconquista 2.0.'. It would be an act that was entirely inimical with the truths, freedoms, morality, and justice that made this country great and from which we've already fallen a long way. I would see anyone who condoned such acts as my most avowed enemies.

4Yes it is clear your firewall is to the right and you will give no love to those, like great patriot Sir Tommy Robinson, who should be your natural allies. And by your disavowal of your natural allies, you give aid and comfort to the enemies of your natural allies. And that is the textbook definition of a cuck.

Civic nationalism is a utopian pipe dream. Libertarianism is dead because its worldview is wrong.

We will all be Alt Right soon.

1. Ah, there we go, theocratic authoritarianism rather than the atheistic kind. Personally I find yours more revolting because at least in a secular dictatorship one can eventually die and be freed from one's shackles. Either way, it's two sides of the same coin. Your chilliastic vision is the same in all material aspects as the socialist one. Leave me out of it.

That is a quite extraordinary view of the enlightnement, the defining characteristic of which being a move away from superstition and a move towards reason and the empirical. What you advocate is a return to a time where faith triumphed over reason, a dark age. I find that every bit as frightening, illiberal, and odious as the Leftist alternative.

2 There is no 'gotcha'. I formulate my arguments deliberately and specifically. I would not accuse TR of that unless he did it. Since I've no reason to suggest he has done, I make no such criticism of him. My entire concern here is with consistency, truthfulness and justice. Because you are so willing to suspend the truth, or distort it to suit your own ends, you are only too ready to read your own behaviours into my words. This is the very problem the Good Doctor identified in the quote I provided.

3 Well, of the supposed '1400 girls raped by Asian gangs', the figures come out as follows:

19 men and women have been charged between 2010-2017. In total they've been charged with 70 offences between them. The breakdown is: 25 rape charges, 5 sex with a child charges, 20 indecent assault charges, 10 ABH charges, 4 False Imprisonment charges, 2 conspiracy to commit indecent assault charges, 2 conspiracy to procure prostitutes charges, 1 conspiracy to rape charge, 1 charge of aiding and abetting rape. Awful, not the sort of people I'd like to live next door, or have imported from their Third World domains, but not the 1400 sensationalised by the media either. Exactly 5% of what was alleged has stuck, despite the vast allocations of resources and repeated investigations that were poured into it.

I am not suggesting you 'should not believe these rapes took place'. I am suggesting that you should believe that at least the number of rapes that they were actually convicted of took place, and that perhaps, in an extreme scenario, another 100% on top of that. That still brings you out at a fraction of the sensationalised figures.

As an aside, it is entirely consistent that both you and the 'communist BBC' should take the same slant on this, for all the reasons I've been suggesting, vis-a-vis you having much more in common with your enemies than you care to admit.

4. My natural allies are those who would choose truth and liberty over lies and distortions - however unpalatable those truths, and however complex and seemingly irreconcilable the problems they pose may be.

I don't think 'cuck' means what you think it means.

[Foolsgo1d]

(05-11-2017 07:24 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 08:50 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 03:24 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 04:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 03:22 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  

Not going to be a popular opinion, and Muslim thugs are a tremendous problem with no obvious solution, however, Tommy Robinson is doing exactly what the MSM do with alleged sex pests, including the likes of Brock Turner et al, and assuming that an accusation amounts to a conviction. It most certainly does not. If one is to be consistent then these men must be accorded the same presumption of innocence as the likes of Brock Turner or any other. Fiat justitia ruat caelum.

While most forms of outrage are unjustified, sometimes they are not. This is one of them because British society needs a severe course correction after decades of politicians and cops looking the other way when the rape gangs were roaming the streets with impunity.



So while Tommy may indeed portray innocent Muslims as guilty - most of them will still be guilty while the innocent ones will still hopefully go free - the ends justify the means of undoing the PC diversity culture.

The idea of 'rape gangs roaming the streets with impunity' is pure fantasy.

You're right. They don't roam the streets they live in, they occupy it like a gang would and word travels very fast. If you got into an altercation with one or two of them then within a matter of minutes over a dozen will be in your face.

These guys aren't just black ghotto thugs out for their own street cred and who will jump you after the first guy lays into you, they will attack you like a wolfpack regardless of who you are.

They don't give you the nigga this and nigga that crap talk. When they look at you you are a true enemy of theirs and should never had stepped up to them. Go watch some videos from the UK and look at their faces, their eyes and the body language. Do you see big baller attitude or straight up murderous hate?

There are more murders in ghettos but thats part of the culture there and there are many factions. Over here its mainly isolationism of one big gang and a few outsiders who don't want to stir the pot.

Its really difficult to describe these communities to those outside of the UK and Europe itself, especially to those in the US or elsewhere.

Anyone that has engaged in street warfare in the UK will know what you talk about. Muslims always hunt in packs. Not that the blacks and the whites don't as well (oh, have I got some stories about white scum). But what you say I can corroborate as not being wholly untrue. They are cowards. But they are murderous cowards. I'm only talking about the bad apples here, not the other 90 percent of peace loving muslims who just want a quiet life (ok, they don't mind the odd bomb killing whitey either, but you can't have it all eh?).

We have no-go ghettos here where even the police will not venture. Why? Not because they are faced with bulked up T-Filled warriors. But packs of rats that fight en masse.

Cowards. As I said. Sure, you get the odd big one that fancies his chances. But I know some boys over 7 foot tall who drop from planes at 10,000 feet, and they would shit their brick at meeting one of them.

I know those videos you're talking about Foolsgo1d, and they are indeed rabid. It's a deeper hatred again than a big-baller trying to save face. Then again, you have never met hate until you have met 5 white skinheads on the district line to Dagenham. And you have never known fear like it either. This is why I don't like skinheads. Now they have blind racism. But then again, where is it? They don't go in to the bad places. They take it out on other weaker white people on trains with dreadlocks and red hair. No one deserves to die for a fucking hair cut.

We have a society full of rage. A ticking time-bomb waiting for a spark. The results may surprise you when it all kicks off. It will surprise us all I think. I really don't know what to expect. Thankfully that day will probably never come.

Skinheads have self belief, they're infantile and violent bullies. These Pakistani gangs are cowards on their own or when equal numbers face them.

We have no-go zones but the police do venture there, tooled up with guns and ready to kill however. There was a recent story of a guy from leeds getting his head shot off whilst inside a car.

They just don't do it often because it is seen as racist and they don't want to trigger the community. The police care more about how something looks than tackling crime, criminals and destructive communities.

You can see this in the decision to reduce or stop outright the Stop and Search.

What gave the "he's a drug dealer" part away for me was the news reporting he was in a convoy of 3 vehicles. Now what type of big baller travels around with his goons?

Drug dealers and more importantly, Black or Pakistani drug dealers. They said Leeds so I guessed he was Pakistani and lo behold, he was!

Yorkshire has a very big problem with Muslims and Pakistanis. Biggest drug trade outside of London for sure.

[Conquerer7]

(05-11-2017 09:05 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

Worth a watch. He gives a reasoned argument. No shouting. No intimidation.

Make up your own mind. Soldiers being spat on by muslims. The police let it happen. The army aren't the biggest fans of the police by the way, and this is one reason. The muslims shouted 'kill the jews' - the police let that happen as well.

Time to make your mind up.

The police in the pub at the hour mark is a disgrace. The main officer has no clue what he is doing.

[T and A Man]

Quote:

Well, of the supposed '1400 girls raped by Asian gangs', the figures come out as follows:

1,400 is the figure from a different town called Rotherham.

This new deal is a town called Rochdale.

[Samseau]

(05-12-2017 06:17 PM)T and A Man Wrote:  

Quote:

Well, of the supposed '1400 girls raped by Asian gangs', the figures come out as follows:

1,400 is the figure from a different town called Rotherham.

This new deal is a town called Rochdale.

I'm afraid H1N1 doesn't really understand what people are talking about, or the severity of the situation. When tens of thousands of girls are getting pimped out in your nation, then yes gangs are indeed roaming the streets with impunity.

Such a thing would be unheard of in America, you'd have regular bounty hunters out there searching for the pimps. They wouldn't last a year.

[Rigsby]

(05-12-2017 05:16 PM)Conquerer7 Wrote:  

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The police in the pub at the hour mark is a disgrace. The main officer has no clue what he is doing.

Yes they were. But they were out of their depth. We can cut them some slack. Tommy does. It's politics.

It's only the Police protecting Tommy from a very unpleasant death and probably all of his family too. So we should thank them for that and let them know we are all on the same side. Even the Sikh and the Indian officers who uphold the law. We are all British brothers here, aren't we?

But it's evidence such as this that proves that Tommy and his family are being persecuted. Persecution is not allowed under British law. It's the same reason why police do not gather outside pubs with car parks and stop every single car leaving the pub. Innocent until proven guilty, kind of. You are assumed to not be breaking the law. Tommy is assumed to always be breaking the law. He is being persecuted. That is against the laws of the land in this country. Both in name and moral.

My interpretation anyway. I don't think any police man goes to sleep at night and tucks his head down on the pillow while his loved one/partner says to him: what did you do at work today love? And he answers: I made some children cry and persecuted an innocent man because I was told to or else I'd lose my job.

Also unfortunately for them their faces are now all over youtube. It's got to be a hard enough job anyway. These police men are not our enemy. Even Tommy doesn't bare a grudge.

I'm sure we have many more police on our side than we realise, as Teedub pointed out earlier in the thread.

[Rigsby]

So it seems that Tommy's recent arrest was more than timely.

The dozens of alleged child rapists I gave details of above were just having their trial. They did not want Tommy there.

This is a good take as well from Computing Forever (who has a quarter of a million subs):

It seems that Tommy is really picking up quite a bit of support these days. The more support he has, the less chance of him getting killed in a bizarre gardening accident.


For those that still think he is a plant or some kind of stooge, or even just an outright racist, watch this:

At least he can debate without intimidation. He loses the thread sometimes, as any man would, but he holds up well. I think.

[Genghis Khan]

(05-12-2017 03:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

It would be an act that was entirely inimical with the truths, freedoms, morality, and justice that made this country great and from which we've already fallen a long way. I would see anyone who condoned such acts as my most avowed enemies.

Dude, GTFO with this bullshit. Truth, freedom, and morality aren't what made Great Britain great, relentless conquest and brutal empire-building did. Or did you conveniently forget that the British pillaged India and many other dominions for their wealth?

Your countrymen had no qualms savagely gunning down peaceful protesters a century ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

Quote:

The Jallianwala Bagh massacre, also known as the Amritsar massacre, took place on 13 April 1919 when a crowd of nonviolent protesters, along with Baishakhi pilgrims, who had gathered in Jallianwala Bagh, Amritsar, Punjab, were fired upon by troops of the British Indian Army under the command of Colonel Reginald Dyer. The civilians had assembled to participate in the annual Baisakhi celebrations, a religious and cultural festival for Punjabi people. Coming from outside the city, they may have been unaware of the imposition of martial law.

Quote:

Dyer was initially lauded by conservative forces in the empire, but in July 1920 he was censured and forced to retire by the House of Commons.[9] He became a celebrated hero in Britain among most of the people connected to the British Raj,[10] for example, the House of Lords,[11] but unpopular in the House of Commons, which voted against Dyer twice

This idea that you hold in your head of "we're better than that" is based on wishful thinking. Your country was made great on the savagery of the British Empire.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hom...21756.html

Quote:

During the Second Boer War (1899-1902), the British rounded up around a sixth of the Boer population - mainly women and children - and detained them in camps, which were overcrowded and prone to outbreaks of disease, with scant food rations.

Of the 107,000 people interned in the camps, 27,927 Boers died, along with an unknown number of black Africans.

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Thousands of elderly Kenyans, who claim British colonial forces mistreated, raped and tortured them during the Mau Mau Uprising (1951-1960), have launched a £200m damages claim against the UK Government.

Members of the Kikuyu tribe were detained in camps, since described as "Britain's gulags" or concentration camps, where they allege they were systematically tortured and suffered serious sexual assault.

Estimates of the deaths vary widely: historian David Anderson estimates there were 20,000, whereas Caroline Elkins believes up to 100,000 could have died.

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Between 12 and 29 million Indians died of starvation while it was under the control of the British Empire, as millions of tons of wheat were exported to Britain as famine raged in India.

In 1943, up to four million Bengalis starved to death when Winston Churchill diverted food to British soldiers and countries such as Greece while a deadly famine swept through Bengal.

Talking about the Bengal famine in 1943, Churchill said: “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.

I feel disgusted to know that the progeny of the people that conquered my ancestors are so weak. Where are the ruthless Brits my ancestors feared? I miss those Brits, the ones who would've lynched every single muslim in sight if Rotherham happened in their days instead of pussyfooting around about truth, freedom, and morality as if those things were ever applied to non-whites. So sad!