[Baldrich]

(08-18-2016 12:27 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 06:12 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 05:16 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 05:02 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

....the leftist Podemos leader Iglesias "La Coleta" (ponytail) has admirable swagger and posture, looks like a real Alpha dog despite his politics

I can't agree (even though 80% of your above post is quite very true), about la-coleta: I think he acts and looks exactly what he is: a weak SJW, a mere caribbeo-venezuelan-bought treacherous puppet. Well, as Clint would put it, a total pussy, and a punk.

Compare, real men (hispano or anglo, doesn't matter):


with your "alpha-looking" Venezuelan-spy punk, la-coleta podemos:


For those who don't know, the hairy "eccentric" SJW thing above is the leader of leftists in Spain, and he's directly funded by a (illegal migrant's son) fanatical Caribbean dictator currently starving the desperate people of Venezuela.

I got the impression from watching him in the debates and on the news for months with King Felipe, Pedro Sanchez, etc. It's about movement, way he crosses his legs, swagger when he walks. He radiates IDGAF.

It's not about his politics, it's about his game. It's about how he handles himself on camera.

Here's an example, when a grandmother PP congresswoman went to attack him in what looks like a set-up from the number of cameras around. Stayed cool, amused mastery.

Christ, that video reminds me of what I hated most about Spain. No one listens when you state your opinion. No one. They just interrupt you as you're making your point and talk nonsense back at you.

In Spain, the person who talks loudest and fastest wins the argument. There is no rationality, no logic.

Lived there for two years. I will never return.

NO DEBATE here whatsoever. This is really frustrating about the country. The minute you say something "deep" or analytical and they don't like it, shouting match. I'm sure you've heard how they famously interrupt with "QUE NO QUE NO QUE NO!!!!!" not even letting you finish your point, followed up with insults like "guiri de mierda" or "eres un enterao" o "te crees muy listo", etc. I made it a rule for my life here never again to have a deep debate with the Spanish. It's a waste of time.

[Bycicleguy]

(08-18-2016 12:33 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

All is an interesting discussion, but how does it all relate to meeting spanish girls. I get the impression night game solo or with one or two friends would be difficult if not part of spanish mixed group?

I'm sure it can be done, I have done it with Argentinean girls, the real issue is how many girls are you willing to approach? Is not an effective use of time.

Mediterranean girls are still girls and still attracted to "PUA" principles.


1. Social value

I think the 10/90 rule applies here more extremely, musicians and nightlife workers still get as much groupies as in the anglosphere culture while the average guy has to work his ass for who knows how much time. On a lower leven the guy who goes to university or works with them or went to school with her has a exponential better chance than that interesting guy she met at the bar once.


2. Looks

Really handsome guys who give her tingles can make her avoid second thoughts


3. Indirect Game

Even thought most complain about spanish guys being beta, I think you are not seeing the big picture, they don't approach unknown girls because it is not part of the culture, they don't want to put themselves in a position where they give women the power to judge them, so they play long social circle game, which consists to hang out with mixed groups until a girl gives them IOIs, then they try to isolate.


The difference is how selective they are about it, I see a lot of complaints about other western girls, but they usually are promiscuous and will fuck you if you are decent looking and sexually agressive guy, that combination rarely works with mediterranean girls unless you are in her social circle or have uber alpha qualities like impressive looks or a big social network. If you go to a bar every friday for a year I'm sure you might take some girls home once in a while, but it won't be the usual and they probably won't keep talking to you since she won't want to introduce you to her friends like the guy she met at the disco or they will think she is a slut.

I think you would find more efficient to look where they hang out abroad, specifically summer spots.

[Baldrich]

(08-18-2016 01:26 PM)Bycicleguy Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 12:33 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

All is an interesting discussion, but how does it all relate to meeting spanish girls. I get the impression night game solo or with one or two friends would be difficult if not part of spanish mixed group?

I'm sure it can be done, I have done it with Argentinean girls, the real issue is how many girls are you willing to approach? Is not an effective use of time.

Mediterranean girls are still girls and still attracted to "PUA" principles.

1. Social value
I think the 10/90 rule applies here more extremely, musicians and nightlife workers still get as much groupies as in the anglosphere culture while the average guy has to work his ass for who knows how much time. On a lower leven the guy who goes to university or works with them or went to school with her has a exponential better chance than that interesting guy she met at the bar once.

2. Looks
Really handsome guys who give her tingles can make her avoid second thoughts

3. Indirect Game
Even thought most complain about spanish guys being beta, I think you are not seeing the big picture, they don't approach unknown girls because it is not part of the culture, they don't want to put themselves in a position where they give women the power to judge them, so they play long social circle game, which consists to hang out with mixed groups until a girl gives them IOIs, then they try to isolate.


The difference is how selective they are about it, I see a lot of complaints about other western girls, but they usually are promiscuous and will fuck you if you are decent looking and sexually agressive guy, that combination rarely works with mediterranean girls unless you are in her social circle or have uber alpha qualities like impressive looks or a big social network. If you go to a bar every friday for a year I'm sure you might take some girls home once in a while, but it won't be the usual and they probably won't keep talking to you since she won't want to introduce you to her friends like the guy she met at the disco or they will think she is a slut.

I think it would be more efficient to look where they go on summer.

THIS.

[UkraineHunter]

(08-18-2016 01:26 PM)Bycicleguy Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 12:33 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

All is an interesting discussion, but how does it all relate to meeting spanish girls. I get the impression night game solo or with one or two friends would be difficult if not part of spanish mixed group?

I'm sure it can be done, I have done it with Argentinean girls, the real issue is how many girls are you willing to approach? Is not an effective use of time.

Mediterranean girls are still girls and still attracted to "PUA" principles.

1. Social value
I think the 10/90 rule applies here more extremely, musicians and nightlife workers still get as much groupies as in the anglosphere culture while the average guy has to work his ass for who knows how much time. On a lower leven the guy who goes to university or works with them or went to school with her has a exponential better chance than that interesting guy she met at the bar once.

2. Looks
Really handsome guys who give her tingles can make her avoid second thoughts

3. Indirect Game
Even thought most complain about spanish guys being beta, I think you are not seeing the big picture, they don't approach unknown girls because it is not part of the culture, they don't want to put themselves in a position where they give women the power to judge them, so they play long social circle game, which consists to hang out with mixed groups until a girl gives them IOIs, then they try to isolate.


The difference is how selective they are about it, I see a lot of complaints about other western girls, but they usually are promiscuous and will fuck you if you are decent looking and sexually agressive guy, that combination rarely works with mediterranean girls unless you are in her social circle or have uber alpha qualities like impressive looks or a big social network. If you go to a bar every friday for a year I'm sure you might take some girls home once in a while, but it won't be the usual and they probably won't keep talking to you since she won't want to introduce you to her friends like the guy she met at the disco or they will think she is a slut.

I think you would find more efficient to look where they hang out abroad.

Let's be honest here. The top level southers european girls (8+) are absolutely impossibile to get for every foreigner that go to Spain, Italy, Greece ecc (unless we're talking about famous, popular guys). Even being very good looking isn't enough because there are lots of good looking guys in those places. They also have zero social circle, they don't speak the language properly and they don't know the culture very well.

And for locals is the same...many are quite happy dating down because the dating market is so bad in these places that even finding a 6 for a LTR can be seen as a victory. Many of the guys I was in school with are actually in LTR with girls uglier than them. That's the norm here.

To get an 8+ here you must have it all: very good looks, MASSIVE social connections, money, popularity, the "saperci fare", luck ecc.
Especially in big cities...in very small city the bully can actually get the hot chick (if there are 8+ there) even if he doesn't possess all of the above qualities. But still he's a bully...so alpha, connections, popularity and blablabla

Why bother when you can go to other places and get girls in the normal way.

[UkraineHunter]

As a rule of thumb, in Italy we can say that if the girl has more than 300/400 friends on facebook and more than 50 likes at her profile pic she'll be almost impossibile to get.

Now, 99% of the 6s and above girls have the two qualities above...so, you get the picture.

And then some people wonder why they see groups of "italianos" everywhere across Europe ruining "pussy paradise" LOL

[azulsombra]

Baldrich,

I am loving the thread and the no nonsense unfiltered opinions here. Im glad we got away from this thread becoming a culinary photo posting area.

Now on Spain, there was a huge thread a few years back debating prostitution in Spain. Some posters were saying it was ubiquitous and others (G manifesto) were saying it is no more common than in Cincinnati for example. I'm sure the reality is somewhere in between. What's your take on this? Not asking to turn this into a morality question about pay for play but to better understand the Spanish males mentality and grasp the local culture and society.

Furthermore, I would like to hear more about experiences gaming Spanish women as a foreigner. I have slept with a few Spanish women in other countries with little difficulty so I don't care about how they are when traveling.

What are they like in their country? You said girls flock to foreign guys and English speakers but at the same time are worried about social cicrcle and dont stray from the group. Can you elaborate on this some more, you made it seem as if being foreign is an advantage and a disadvantage, how so? Any major differences between Spanish women 18-24 and 25-29? Any techniques you have found effective beyond the universal game strategies?

[Bycicleguy]

(08-18-2016 01:47 PM)UkraineHunter Wrote:  

To get an 8+ here you must have it all: very good looks, MASSIVE social connections, money, popularity, the "saperci fare", luck ecc.
Especially in big cities...in very small city the bully can actually get the hot chick (if there are 8+ there) even if he doesn't possess all of the above qualities. But still he's a bully...so alpha, connections, popularity and blablabla

Why bother when you can go to other places and get girls in the normal way.

That is what I meant, you may get a ONS with a decent looking girl if you put a LOT of effort or you get lucky, you might get in a LTR with a cute girl if you invest a lot of time with her, but to do get laid constantly with average girls or to get the stunner you require Chad Thundercock looks plus the whole package of alpha qualities and TONS of social circle bullshit. A guy with those qualities would be swimming in top notch pussy in any other place. Your last paragraph summarizes my thoughts.

[Baldrich]

(08-18-2016 07:40 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Baldrich,

I am loving the thread and the no nonsense unfiltered opinions here. Im glad we got away from this thread becoming a culinary photo posting area.

Now on Spain, there was a huge thread a few years back debating prostitution in Spain. Some posters were saying it was ubiquitous and others (G manifesto) were saying it is no more common than in Cincinnati for example. I'm sure the reality is somewhere in between. What's your take on this? Not asking to turn this into a morality question about pay for play but to better understand the Spanish males mentality and grasp the local culture and society.

Furthermore, I would like to hear more about experiences gaming Spanish women as a foreigner. I have slept with a few Spanish women in other countries with little difficulty so I don't care about how they are when traveling.

What are they like in their country? You said girls flock to foreign guys and English speakers but at the same time are worried about social cicrcle and dont stray from the group. Can you elaborate on this some more, you made it seem as if being foreign is an advantage and a disadvantage, how so? Any major differences between Spanish women 18-24 and 25-29? Any techniques you have found effective beyond the universal game strategies?

Yes, those food pics and the whole "my food is great and yours is not" bs was getting really annoying. That's the typical petty "debate" you will get in Spain. "Do the paella MY WAY or else!" Ridiculous.

Prostitution: MUCH more common in Spain than in the US...although Spanish guys won't admit they go, but it is actually very common for Spanish guys to pay to play, since the level of thirstiness here is obscene. So prostitution is accepted (quietly) and the age range used to be older married men, but that is quickly dropping to men even in their 20s. It's not something socially well seen though so nobody will ever admit it. Brothels are everywhere in Madrid and you can walk around Montera street (a very central area) and see them openly call you to have sex. Most of the prostitutes in Spain are NOT Spanish women though - most are Eastern European, Latin American and African.

Spain is the world capital of prostitution:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...51581.html

I quote:

"Prostitution is so popular (and socially accepted) in Spain that a United Nations study reports that 39 per cent of all Spanish men have used a prostitute’s services at least once. A Spanish Health Ministry survey in 2009 put the percentage of one-time prostitute users at 32 per cent: lower than the UN figure, perhaps, but far higher than the 14 per cent in liberal-minded Holland, or in Britain, where the figure is reported to oscillate between 5 and 10 per cent. And that was just those men willing to admit it."

On the plus side, some things to keep in mind:

It is VERY RARE in a club or bar for a guy to compete with another guy for the same girl since depending on where you are, no man approaches a woman here if they are already seen with a group of friends. As I said earlier, groups of friends here are closed, so everyone sticks to their group. If you are a tourist and obviously foreign though, then approaching is not seen as weird.

Day game: Spanish don't do day game and if they try, they will be quickly shot down by the female. They are fiercely rude here with anything like that. You will never in your life see a guy having coffee and then try to flirt with the waitress unless he is so alpha, popular and good that rejection would be impossible. But most men here are beta and are very very scared of rejection so they won't do it.

To game Spanish women, as others have said...you need to have something that they want (this is the same everywhere but here it is more extreme) - so for example if you run a business, have good money etc that will work A LOT in your favor because local Spanish women love stability and are always thinking "long-term what can I get from him"? It helps that you live here too, since ONS are NOT going to be common unless there are drugs involved, a lot of alcohol, etc. A lot of Spanish guys joke and say that if you want to have a ONS just offer drugs in the club and many Spanish women will bed with you just for the drugs.

The younger the females, the more open they will be so I think Spanish society is changing for the better in that regard. The worst, worst girls are over 25 and in Madrid. Valencia has much NICER women, more open to talking and (in my opinion) better looking -- lighter hair, light eyes are common, taller, etc. But that's just my preference.

Being foreign will be an advantage if you come from an English-speaking country, but that depends how long you are here for, if you are a student vs. a worker, what you do, etc. I would say that if you speak some decent Spanish and look legit, you can get Spanish girls. It won't be as easy as, say, London, New York or Sweden, but it can be done...especially since many girls here don't like Spanish guys and think foreign men from "anglo" countries are more interesting and respectful of women.

[Baldrich]

(08-19-2016 10:53 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 07:40 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Baldrich,

I am loving the thread and the no nonsense unfiltered opinions here. Im glad we got away from this thread becoming a culinary photo posting area.

Now on Spain, there was a huge thread a few years back debating prostitution in Spain. Some posters were saying it was ubiquitous and others (G manifesto) were saying it is no more common than in Cincinnati for example. I'm sure the reality is somewhere in between. What's your take on this? Not asking to turn this into a morality question about pay for play but to better understand the Spanish males mentality and grasp the local culture and society.

Furthermore, I would like to hear more about experiences gaming Spanish women as a foreigner. I have slept with a few Spanish women in other countries with little difficulty so I don't care about how they are when traveling.

What are they like in their country? You said girls flock to foreign guys and English speakers but at the same time are worried about social cicrcle and dont stray from the group. Can you elaborate on this some more, you made it seem as if being foreign is an advantage and a disadvantage, how so? Any major differences between Spanish women 18-24 and 25-29? Any techniques you have found effective beyond the universal game strategies?

Yes, those food pics and the whole "my food is great and yours is not" bs was getting really annoying. That's the typical petty "debate" you will get in Spain. "Do the paella MY WAY or else!" Ridiculous.

Prostitution: MUCH more common in Spain than in the US...although Spanish guys won't admit they go, but it is actually very common for Spanish guys to pay to play, since the level of thirstiness here is obscene. So prostitution is accepted (quietly) and the age range used to be older married men, but that is quickly dropping to men even in their 20s. It's not something socially well seen though so nobody will ever admit it. Brothels are everywhere in Madrid and you can walk around Montera street (a very central area) and see them openly call you to have sex. Most of the prostitutes in Spain are NOT Spanish women though - most are Eastern European, Latin American and African.

Spain is the world capital of prostitution:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...51581.html

I quote:

"Prostitution is so popular (and socially accepted) in Spain that a United Nations study reports that 39 per cent of all Spanish men have used a prostitute’s services at least once. A Spanish Health Ministry survey in 2009 put the percentage of one-time prostitute users at 32 per cent: lower than the UN figure, perhaps, but far higher than the 14 per cent in liberal-minded Holland, or in Britain, where the figure is reported to oscillate between 5 and 10 per cent. And that was just those men willing to admit it."

On the plus side, some things to keep in mind:

It is VERY RARE in a club or bar for a guy to compete with another guy for the same girl since depending on where you are, no man approaches a woman here if they are already seen with a group of friends. As I said earlier, groups of friends here are closed, so everyone sticks to their group. If you are a tourist and obviously foreign though, then approaching is not seen as weird.

Day game: Spanish don't do day game and if they try, they will be quickly shot down by the female. They are fiercely rude here with anything like that. You will never in your life see a guy having coffee and then try to flirt with the waitress unless he is so alpha, popular and good that rejection would be impossible. But most men here are beta and are very very scared of rejection so they won't do it.

To game Spanish women, as others have said...you need to have something that they want (this is the same everywhere but here it is more extreme) - so for example if you run a business, have good money etc that will work A LOT in your favor because local Spanish women love stability and are always thinking "long-term what can I get from him"? It helps that you live here too, since ONS are NOT going to be common unless there are drugs involved, a lot of alcohol, etc. A lot of Spanish guys joke and say that if you want to have a ONS just offer drugs in the club and many Spanish women will bed with you just for the drugs.

The younger the females, the more open they will be so I think Spanish society is changing for the better in that regard. The worst, worst girls are over 25 and in Madrid. Valencia has much NICER women, more open to talking and (in my opinion) better looking -- lighter hair, light eyes are common, taller, etc. But that's just my preference.

Being foreign will be an advantage if you come from an English-speaking country, but that depends how long you are here for, if you are a student vs. a worker, what you do, etc. I would say that if you speak some decent Spanish and look legit, you can get Spanish girls. It won't be as easy as, say, London, New York or Sweden, but it can be done...especially since many girls here don't like Spanish guys and think foreign men from "anglo" countries are more interesting and respectful of women.

PS: It won't let me edit so I'll write it here. Prostitution is not something socially well seen to be admitted AMONG friends, but it is most definitely tolerated much more than in the US (prostitution is not illegal in Spain unless you are pimping) and homosexuality is also very very very much tolerated here to an extent I have never seen even in the most liberal American city.

[Sp5]

When I got to Spain, my main target was one of those elegant chic slender women in their 40s that Spanish cities have a good number of. I am in my late 50s.

Zero success. From dating apps, they would chat and then shut down when you proposed an actual meeting. On the street and in venues, they are in packs and trying to break into one of those groups got me dismissed with amused contempt several times.

I should have kept trying but ended up with a Filipina, a Russian, two Brazilians and a Moroccan in series. All online all service workers living on the margins of Spanish society so no break-in to Spanish social circles.

I was wondering what was so hard - I thought maybe a low divorce rate, but it turns out Spain has one of the highest divorce rates in the world - 61%, higher than the US at 53%!! What happens to all those divorcees??? They roam around in those packs, I guess.

I lived and studied in Andalucia for 5 months in 1978. To say that it was different then is an understatement. The bars were still wine taverns with barrels and sawdust on the floor. Single women and girls did not go out without their families. global chains. There was a lot of political change, it was in "La Transición." I fell in with a group of younger guys who hung out in the taverns. It was good for my Spanish to drink and talk. They complained that girls were "muy dura." It turned out that several of them were gay or situationally bisexual (like prisoners). It was a lot like an Arab country. The DNA of Andalucia is about 25-30% Arab and Berber, the Caliphate had a long occupation there, and the syncretic nature of religion meant that Spanish Catholicism picked up some of the Arabic cultural traditions.

For a window on Spain, Spanish women, Spanish gayness, and Spanish culture after Franco, I recommend some of the movies of Pedro Almodovar, especially the earlier ones made in the 80s. Carmen Maura in those movies is THE Spanish woman.

[Baldrich]

(08-21-2016 04:54 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

When I got to Spain, my main target was one of those elegant chic slender women in their 40s that Spanish cities have a good number of. I am in my late 50s.

Zero success. From dating apps, they would chat and then shut down when you proposed an actual meeting. On the street and in venues, they are in packs and trying to break into one of those groups got me dismissed with amused contempt several times.

I should have kept trying but ended up with a Filipina, a Russian, two Brazilians and a Moroccan in series. All online all service workers living on the margins of Spanish society so no break-in to Spanish social circles.

I was wondering what was so hard - I thought maybe a low divorce rate, but it turns out Spain has one of the highest divorce rates in the world - 61%, higher than the US at 53%!! What happens to all those divorcees??? They roam around in those packs, I guess.

I lived and studied in Andalucia for 5 months in 1978. To say that it was different then is an understatement. The bars were still wine taverns with barrels and sawdust on the floor. Single women and girls did not go out without their families. global chains. There was a lot of political change, it was in "La Transición." I fell in with a group of younger guys who hung out in the taverns. It was good for my Spanish to drink and talk. They complained that girls were "muy dura." It turned out that several of them were gay or situationally bisexual (like prisoners). It was a lot like an Arab country. The DNA of Andalucia is about 25-30% Arab and Berber, the Caliphate had a long occupation there, and the syncretic nature of religion meant that Spanish Catholicism picked up some of the Arabic cultural traditions.

For a window on Spain, Spanish women, Spanish gayness, and Spanish culture after Franco, I recommend some of the movies of Pedro Almodovar, especially the earlier ones made in the 80s. Carmen Maura in those movies is THE Spanish woman.

That's right -- trying to talk to a pack of Spanish people who have already known each other for AGES, especially women, will get you shot down with contempt. But that's why the gaming style here is different. It's not about talking to the group you don't know...it's about getting introduced through some other way. For me, it's not worth the hassle since I'm just not into Spanish women at all. I don't like how hard they sound and don't consider them to look feminine in many cases. There are of course remarkable exceptions to that and it depends what city you are in, though. For me, Madrid is the absolute worst.

I TOTALLY agree with you on Carmen Maura: She is the embodiment of many of the women in Spain, especially Madrid. Almodovar's films are really great because they show the real side of Spain...Madrid raw especially. He is mostly not liked by the Spaniards though, since they hate their own cinema and/or anyone else who is more successful than they are. Envy is really an extreme element in Spain. You haven't seen real jealousy and envy until you've lived in this country.

About the divorcees: Most of them either just "go gay" as I say...as in, they let off steam on the side with other men (like the Greeks) OR, they turn to prostitutes. That's why the prostitution rate and usage is so high - the highest in the world, in Spain.

And of course I totally agree about Arabic influence in Spain even though they will HATE when you say it. But a lot of Spain could pass for Cairo, Egypt were it not for the fact that they don't wear Arab dress and the country is, for now, wealthier. But a lot of the old chains of Islam -- eg: keeping women locked up or with their family ties is STILL prevalent though disappearing thanks to apps like tinder.

[iknowexactly]

(08-21-2016 04:54 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

When I got to Spain, my main target was one of those elegant chic slender women in their 40s ...

Zero success. .... ended up with a Filipina, a Russian, two Brazilians and a Moroccan in series. All online all service workers living on the margins of Spanish society so no break-in to Spanish social circles.

I lived and studied in Andalucia for 5 months in 1978. To say that it was different then is an understatement. The bars were still wine taverns with barrels and sawdust on the floor. Single women and girls did not go out without their families. global chains.

Belated +1 for an excellent comparison across time and cultures of how people act in Spain. If 40+ women have princess syndrome, it seems the place is totally dead for 50+ guys.

PS What did you mean by "global chains"?

[Baldrich]

Well, in many cases those 50+ guys also turn to desperate South American young women looking to get a European visa. It's not too unusual to see older guys with very very young Latin American girls. Misery loves company, I guess.

[Robert Plant]

"When I got to Spain, my main target was one of those elegant chic slender women in their 40s that Spanish cities have a good number of. I am in my late 50s.

Zero success. From dating apps, they would chat and then shut down when you proposed an actual meeting. On the street and in venues, they are in packs and trying to break into one of those groups got me dismissed with amused contempt several times."

Interesting, I got my Spanish flag quite easily from OKCupid with a women who was 38 at the time. I was 42. She was a semi-hot ex party girl/carousel rider. She fell in love and we ended up in a long distance relationship for the next year. We both had flexibility at work, so over the year we ended up spending 3 months together. In the end though she wanted things to move faster than I was ready for. When I wouldn't move at her pace, she became more demanding. This combined with her typical Spanish nationalism/ racism was a turnoff to me and I decided to stop taking the long flights to Spain to see her. By the way, even though her body count was quite a bit higher than mine, I'm pretty sure she never slept with anyone else in the year+ we were seeing each other.

[azulsombra]

Baldrich,

When you say the young Spanish chicas sometimes bang for drugs are we talking nose candy, cannibus or something else?

I spoke with a few Spanish guys who told me in Spain the further south you go the better looking the women are. So I guess that would mean Andalucia has the hottest home grown talent. Do they have the best attitudes as well?

Im hearing a lot of people arent fans of Madrid. In your opinion excluding Madrid and Barcelona, what are the top 3 cities for game in Spain?

[Baldrich]

(08-21-2016 11:33 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Baldrich,

When you say the young Spanish chicas sometimes bang for drugs are we talking nose candy, cannibus or something else?

I spoke with a few Spanish guys who told me in Spain the further south you go the better looking the women are. So I guess that would mean Andalucia has the hottest home grown talent. Do they have the best attitudes as well?

Im hearing a lot of people arent fans of Madrid. In your opinion excluding Madrid and Barcelona, what are the top 3 cities for game in Spain?

I'm talking nose candy or pills of some sort. Cannabis is VERY VERY VERY EASY to get in Spain so that won't do any good.

For me, the top 3 cities in Spain for game, in this order:

Valencia
Tenerife (or any cities in the Canary Islands)
Malaga

Generally, stick to the Mediterranean coast (except Murcia though). It is very laid back, people don't give a crap about you, no staring problems, much cheaper than Madrid. For me Valencia is hands down the most relaxed and best second-tier city in Spain. The city is known for the "I don't give a F" attitude...it is actually, I call it the New Orleans of Spain -- Fallas street festival in March is INSANE, the city is anarchy for a week, no laws.

Re: Southern Spain --

Yes and no. The girls are indeed beautiful IF you like dark Arab looking features, big eyes, intense personalities, etc...but they can also be extremely traditional and family-oriented to the point of that being a limitation for a player. They are not "easy" by any means. I prefer the lighter girls of Valencia and Barcelona if I had to stick to Spanish girls.

Read this about liberal Valencian Spanish girls - they are the MOST OPEN of all of Spain to try new things:

http://aventurasydesventuras.com/valenci...liberales/

The typical real Valencian girl (not the immigrants there from other parts of Spain) but if you go into the surrounding towns the typical girl is light skin, light eyes and blonde or light brown hair isn't at all unusual. I also like the "barbie" look in the Summer here. Valencia is a city where people love to show off their fashion or bodies. Think kind of like Southern California or Miami vibe and you can get a feel for Valencia. It is known as Spain's version of California.

Here is a fairly common face you will see for many Valencian girls:

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[Sp5]

(08-21-2016 08:13 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(08-21-2016 04:54 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

When I got to Spain, my main target was one of those elegant chic slender women in their 40s ...

Zero success. .... ended up with a Filipina, a Russian, two Brazilians and a Moroccan in series. All online all service workers living on the margins of Spanish society so no break-in to Spanish social circles.

I lived and studied in Andalucia for 5 months in 1978. To say that it was different then is an understatement. The bars were still wine taverns with barrels and sawdust on the floor. Single women and girls did not go out without their families. global chains.

Belated +1 for an excellent comparison across time and cultures of how people act in Spain. If 40+ women have princess syndrome, it seems the place is totally dead for 50+ guys.

PS What did you mean by "global chains"?

Ha ha, unfinished sentence. Should be "Global chains like McDonalds, Gap, etc., were non-existent in Spain."

I would not say it is totally dead, it just takes a lot of work and the tight exclusive social circles make it really hard. As Baldrich has said, you can find lots of other nationalities there. Plenty of Scandanavians, I had some dating app hits with Swedes, Finns, Norwegians, but didn't pursue them, mostly because of distance.

[Sp5]

(08-21-2016 08:19 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

Well, in many cases those 50+ guys also turn to desperate South American young women looking to get a European visa. It's not too unusual to see older guys with very very young Latin American girls. Misery loves company, I guess.

My Argentine neighbor, who was in her 40s and decent looking, asked me to marry her! She had no visa and said that we could try each other out. She had been hooked up with a Dutch guy before. We were friendly, but this came right out of nowhere. She slipped a card under my door decorated with her lipstick kisses. I saw her as a money sink.

The princess syndrome and thirst is great, though. I was chatting with an attractive blond Russian, 50, through Tinder. She was really slender, which was rare amongst the Russians in the area. I could not get the date.

A few weeks later I am eating alone at a beachside restaurant (chirunguito) and I end up talking to a Spanish guy at the table next to me about the sardines. We go on to other subjects and he says he's 44. He's with the 50 yo Russian! So I look at her and smile, ha ha. The way it is.

(08-21-2016 05:31 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

I TOTALLY agree with you on Carmen Maura: She is the embodiment of many of the women in Spain, especially Madrid. Almodovar's films are really great because they show the real side of Spain...Madrid raw especially. He is mostly not liked by the Spaniards though, since they hate their own cinema and/or anyone else who is more successful than they are. Envy is really an extreme element in Spain. You haven't seen real jealousy and envy until you've lived in this country.

About the divorcees: Most of them either just "go gay" as I say...as in, they let off steam on the side with other men (like the Greeks) OR, they turn to prostitutes. That's why the prostitution rate and usage is so high - the highest in the world, in Spain.

And of course I totally agree about Arabic influence in Spain even though they will HATE when you say it. But a lot of Spain could pass for Cairo, Egypt were it not for the fact that they don't wear Arab dress and the country is, for now, wealthier. But a lot of the old chains of Islam -- eg: keeping women locked up or with their family ties is STILL prevalent though disappearing thanks to apps like tinder.

Ha, I once told a Spanish woman "You look like Carmen Maura when she was young" on a dating app. It got me some attention and chatting but no date.
Maura when she was young:


Almodovar had a genius for casting the most weird but the most typically Spanish faces, too. He's one of the best in expressing how nuts women are - I guess as a gay guy he sees it clearer and can get away with it.



Big brothels in Spain, all with neon around them on the outskirts of the cities. The back pages of metropolitan newspapers are full of escort ads.

[Heart Break Kid]

I thought Carmen Maura was such a milf.

Hatred of Spanish cinema goes a lot deeper than envy. I'm pretty sure it has a lot to do with the Franco era and how censored so many Spanish films were (and generally speaking how bad a lot of them were). I think the stigma that Spanish cinema is inherently bad likely just stuck around in Spain, it must have been rough seeing as how France, a country loaded with great cinema was right next door.



Speaking of Pedro Almodóvar, I've seen Law of Desire and Women on the verge of a nervous breakdown - anyone recommend any of his other stuff?

[azulsombra]

I liked Live Flesh with Javier Bardem and Tie me up, tie me down with Antonio Banderas..

These were very early 90s.

I havent seen any of his 80s films but I may give them a look now.

[Elster]

Somehow I m more familiar with the Alex iglesias type of characters here in Spain.
The one comment I may make about Spaniard ladies is that they sure love to yap during sex

[Baldrich]

(08-21-2016 12:58 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(08-21-2016 08:19 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

Well, in many cases those 50+ guys also turn to desperate South American young women looking to get a European visa. It's not too unusual to see older guys with very very young Latin American girls. Misery loves company, I guess.

My Argentine neighbor, who was in her 40s and decent looking, asked me to marry her! She had no visa and said that we could try each other out. She had been hooked up with a Dutch guy before. We were friendly, but this came right out of nowhere. She slipped a card under my door decorated with her lipstick kisses. I saw her as a money sink.

The princess syndrome and thirst is great, though. I was chatting with an attractive blond Russian, 50, through Tinder. She was really slender, which was rare amongst the Russians in the area. I could not get the date.

A few weeks later I am eating alone at a beachside restaurant (chirunguito) and I end up talking to a Spanish guy at the table next to me about the sardines. We go on to other subjects and he says he's 44. He's with the 50 yo Russian! So I look at her and smile, ha ha. The way it is.

(08-21-2016 05:31 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

I TOTALLY agree with you on Carmen Maura: She is the embodiment of many of the women in Spain, especially Madrid. Almodovar's films are really great because they show the real side of Spain...Madrid raw especially. He is mostly not liked by the Spaniards though, since they hate their own cinema and/or anyone else who is more successful than they are. Envy is really an extreme element in Spain. You haven't seen real jealousy and envy until you've lived in this country.

About the divorcees: Most of them either just "go gay" as I say...as in, they let off steam on the side with other men (like the Greeks) OR, they turn to prostitutes. That's why the prostitution rate and usage is so high - the highest in the world, in Spain.

And of course I totally agree about Arabic influence in Spain even though they will HATE when you say it. But a lot of Spain could pass for Cairo, Egypt were it not for the fact that they don't wear Arab dress and the country is, for now, wealthier. But a lot of the old chains of Islam -- eg: keeping women locked up or with their family ties is STILL prevalent though disappearing thanks to apps like tinder.

Ha, I once told a Spanish woman "You look like Carmen Maura when she was young" on a dating app. It got me some attention and chatting but no date.
Maura when she was young:


Almodovar had a genius for casting the most weird but the most typically Spanish faces, too. He's one of the best in expressing how nuts women are - I guess as a gay guy he sees it clearer and can get away with it.



Big brothels in Spain, all with neon around them on the outskirts of the cities. The back pages of metropolitan newspapers are full of escort ads.

That's right - newspapers here openly include escort ads, and there is porn almost all day on TV...including hard porn. This is a country where although it is hard to actually get a real woman on a real "date", as a result porn is ubiquitous as are thirsty men.

Even if you do have a GOOD group of Spanish female friends that say nice things about you to the other friends and you go out together, PERHAPS you could bed a Spanish woman. But the normal thing here is to have friends, friends who already have girlfriends, those girlfriends have female friends who may be ugly or not...but keep in mind most nice looking women here already have a boyfriend. So really your only other realistic option is to try with women you DON'T know.

I find most Spanish women are boring and like we know, have that "Princesa" complex. They think they are doing you a favor if they talk to you and it's like if it were some sort of audience with a Queen. To hell with that. So what I do is I simply just ignore them. Trust me Spanish women KNOW when you are important and WILL begin to talk to you IF you act like a boss. It's happened to me several times. The key is to go to the same bar/club FREQUENTLY...get people to know you, BE SEEN. BE A MAN, in other words. Dress well, talk right. Believe me, they will notice it. Spanish women may be selfish and rude, but they're not stupid. I love to see sometimes their expression when I'm out with a group of friends (usually foreign but some Spanish) and tell her "put it all on my tab, the boss pays".


I don't say all of this to show-off. I'm not like that but just sharing facts. In fact YEARS ago I had two girls walk up to me (SPANISH AS CAN BE) in a SMALL Castilian city well known for its student population and they both wanted me to bed them. I chose one. It's one of the few times I ever remember SPANISH women taking the initiative and I loved every moment of it. They asked me about the US, told me they liked my attitude of standing alone in the bar ignoring everyone as I read the newspaper...good times. Really.

I still think that part of the reason why women can be so bitchy and difficult in Spain (this is an internationally known fact by all men who have a pulse) is that many, many Spanish MEN leave a lot to be desired. If I were a woman in this country, I'd be a bitch too.

If you take a look at the men with some class and manners and culture in this country, most of them are married or in a relationship with FOREIGN women. Any man with class doesn't go through any ordeal with these women.

[Rocha]

Quote:

I don't say all of this to show-off. I'm not like that but just sharing facts. In fact YEARS ago I had two girls walk up to me (SPANISH AS CAN BE) in a SMALL Castilian city well known for its student population and they both wanted me to bed them. I chose one. It's one of the few times I ever remember SPANISH women taking the initiative and I loved every moment of it. They asked me about the US, told me they liked my attitude of standing alone in the bar ignoring everyone as I read the newspaper...good times. Really.

Why not a threesome?

[Baldrich]

(08-22-2016 07:19 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Quote:

I don't say all of this to show-off. I'm not like that but just sharing facts. In fact YEARS ago I had two girls walk up to me (SPANISH AS CAN BE) in a SMALL Castilian city well known for its student population and they both wanted me to bed them. I chose one. It's one of the few times I ever remember SPANISH women taking the initiative and I loved every moment of it. They asked me about the US, told me they liked my attitude of standing alone in the bar ignoring everyone as I read the newspaper...good times. Really.

Why not a threesome?

Why not a threesome? I wasn't attracted at all to her friend...and the really surprising thing was that when we left the bar, I left with BOTH of them and the bartender was just wowed (as were other bar employees). When we were outside, I distinctly remember her friend telling her "have fun" and said "bye" to me in English. Then we just went to her apartment and...well, mission accomplished. I was only 25 though and she was 23.

[Rocha]

(08-22-2016 07:29 PM)Baldrich Wrote:  

(08-22-2016 07:19 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Quote:

I don't say all of this to show-off. I'm not like that but just sharing facts. In fact YEARS ago I had two girls walk up to me (SPANISH AS CAN BE) in a SMALL Castilian city well known for its student population and they both wanted me to bed them. I chose one. It's one of the few times I ever remember SPANISH women taking the initiative and I loved every moment of it. They asked me about the US, told me they liked my attitude of standing alone in the bar ignoring everyone as I read the newspaper...good times. Really.

Why not a threesome?

Why not a threesome? I wasn't attracted at all to her friend...and the really surprising thing was that when we left the bar, I left with BOTH of them and the bartender was just wowed (as were other bar employees). When we were outside, I distinctly remember her friend telling her "have fun" and said "bye" to me in English. Then we just went to her apartment and...well, mission accomplished. I was only 25 though and she was 23.

Salamanca? ))