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Quote: (08-05-2016 10:35 PM)Atticus Wrote:Tight and awkward spaces, the introudction of odd objects etc. are actually more often than not the chink in the armour of martial arts. Size, strength, youth and luck are arguably more important.
I'm surprised this hasn't already been posted. Damn, gives me a whole new level of respect for BJJ:
Bet he got laid like a boss afterwards.
"The Russian vice-consul in Rio de Janeiro dramatically shot dead an armed mugger who had tried to hold him up in his car - just after the Olympic torch relay had passed by on the last day before the Rio 2016 opening ceremony.
Marcos Cesar Feres Braga, a Brazilian lawyer who holds the vice-consul post at the Russian consulate, reportedly grabbed the attacker and pulled him into his BMW X6 after he had smashed the car window and pointed a gun at him, demanding he hand over his watch.
A struggle ensued inside the diplomat's car until he managed to grab the assailant's gun, which he used to shoot him dead at point blank range, according to police.
Mr Braga is trained in jiu-jitsu and was travelling with his wife and daughter at the time, local media outlet Globo reported."
link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-dead.html
For example if a 5'8 judo olympic champion were to be working the counter in a store and grabbed by a 6'5 bodybuilder over the counter, he would not have an answer to that situation and even a boxer of same size would be in a very difficult situation.
Movies and martial arts courses lead us to think that violent confrontations take place on a flat surface with ample space and no hazardous objects or obstacles lying around.
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Tight and awkward spaces, the introudction of odd objects etc. are actually more often than not the chink in the armour of martial arts. Size, strength, youth and luck are arguably more important.
What a load of garbage this is. If your training or style accommodates environmental issues, this is a non-issue. Power is number 1 for sure. Technique is number 2. A person with very low to no technique, is still at a disadvantage if the opponent has far superior technique. Most men in the world are not the size of The Mountain. If a man is around 200 pounds, they are within reason to be able to defend against almost any opponent.
Luck really has no business being in a discussion about fighting. How often do you ever hear that world during a MMA fight? When both guys dazed are throwing haymakers and the last 10 seconds of the match maybe? In self defense situations, if you even have to factor in something un-quantifiable such as luck, you are not prepared well enough to begin with. You simply did not care enough about your own personal well being to prepare yourself for a potential attack on your life. As a result your risk (calculated or not) will be rendered unto you. You will get what you deserve. Garbage in, garbage out.
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For example if a 5'8 judo olympic champion were to be working the counter in a store and grabbed by a 6'5 bodybuilder over the counter, he would not have an answer to that situation and even a boxer of same size would be in a very difficult situation.
Pure hogwash again. Anyone at that level of Judo would throw or sweep anyone not versed in Judo. How are you going to out grab a world class athlete that makes a living grabbing and throwing others. This is how I know you have no clue what you are talking about. There is no way you ever went a round with one or even a NCAA Div 1 Wrestling champion. It's not about pure or raw strength. It's about position and leverage.
No Judoka at that level would get grabbed behind a counter like that and if they did, they would 100% for certain leap the counter to go in the direction of that guy and sweep or throw him. I once threw an Army Ranger that same exact size because he could not believe that I could teach him anything. I asked him to come at me and he got thrown bouncing his head on the mat in the process because he had not learned how to fall correctly yet. I could have transitioned him in an arm bar and broke his arm, if it were on the street, but this was a practice, his fellow Rangers asked him to attend. He became a good student after that, because he realized not everything was about being bigger than the other guy.
Of course a boxer would be in a difficult position if grabbed by someone very large. They train with similar sized opponents. A Judo practice class (just like BJJ) by comparison is composed of all sizes. Boxers do not train to punch pressure points, vital points, eye gouges, throat strikes, temple strikes, nor small joint manipulation(SMJ). They also do not use harder body parts to even odds like Kickboxers would use an elbow strike or lead the counter for a knee strike. Everyone know boxing is primarily a sport with strict rules and confines, you are not telling anyone something we did not already know.
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Movies and martial arts courses lead us to think that violent confrontations take place on a flat surface with ample space and no hazardous objects or obstacles lying around.
More incorrect conjecture from someone with no experience in such matters. Japanese Ju Jutsu and two handfuls of different martial arts teach the dangers of the environment and how to deal with it. Movies has no real bearing on self defense on the street. A movie like Jason Borne using Pencak Silat is still a movie at the end of the day and at best is a minor example of what a person can do in a tiny bathroom fighting for his life.
Finally this thread is not a place to discuss whether or not martial arts are real or not. This thread is not about Sports vs Traditional either like I told Rocha repeatedly. Take all that trash back to your thread. This thread is to discuss martial arts options and training. Trying to troll this thread with no real experience in professional fighting or street
fighting, as if you are some authority on the matter, is very disingenuous. The last thing I would do as a person with my experience is listen to some person who has never disarmed a real attacker in self defense (like I have), tell me what I train is fake.
Quote: (08-09-2016 07:52 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:What do you recommend as injury prevention? I'm a young man with 3 years total (1,5 judo, 1,5 BJJ) but I can't see myself stopping any time soon - the earlier we work on preventing injuries the better.
Also just to clarify something so not to scare others. Doing Judo/BJJ or any other full contact martial art for 0-5 years won't make you broke up like me and Mikan. If you do it hardcore with MMA or become a lifer, you need to take precautions for long term injuries and difficulties. It's no different than college and pro football, hockey, and high level basketball and soccer. All those guys have issues day to day as well. Anytime I meet one, it's amazing what challenges we share.
Quote: (08-10-2016 02:34 PM)SegaSaturn1994 Wrote:
Sorry if I've derailed this thread and I do not doubt that the OP knows a thing or two about various things. I simply do not buy into all of the reasoning exhibited by some people around these corners.
Quote: (08-10-2016 04:01 PM)Ringo Wrote:
Quote: (08-09-2016 07:52 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:What do you recommend as injury prevention? I'm a young man with 3 years total (1,5 judo, 1,5 BJJ) but I can't see myself stopping any time soon - the earlier we work on preventing injuries the better.
Also just to clarify something so not to scare others. Doing Judo/BJJ or any other full contact martial art for 0-5 years won't make you broke up like me and Mikan. If you do it hardcore with MMA or become a lifer, you need to take precautions for long term injuries and difficulties. It's no different than college and pro football, hockey, and high level basketball and soccer. All those guys have issues day to day as well. Anytime I meet one, it's amazing what challenges we share.
I try to mix it up by stretching and doing mobility drills 3-4x/week for 10-20min after class; stretching, mobility, ginastica natural/flow/animal movement stuff 1x/week 30-60min; plus 3x/week strength training in the gym.
I really like this routine but I'm always interested in your thoughts.
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(Spin classes are good too)Quote: (08-09-2016 07:52 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:
Also just to clarify something so not to scare others. Doing Judo/BJJ or any other full contact martial art for 0-5 years won't make you broke up like me and Mikan.
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.Quote: (08-05-2016 11:29 AM)Ringo Wrote:
I lift 3x/week and do BJJ 3x/week. Only 3 sets of RPT weighted pullups/RPT press/20-rep light squats or 100 pushups/RPT heavy rows/20-rep light squats, with some curls and triceps extensions 1x/week. All my lifts went way up, bodyweight increased a bit and I feel and look better overall.
Quote: (08-11-2016 10:24 AM)Ringo Wrote:
Thanks for the thoughtful reply and great thread. +1.
I already do plenty of what you mentioned (not mixing lifting and sparring, peaking, taking short breaks). The 30-60min stretching and flow sessions also include yoga - I do them at the park and try to get some approaches in afterwards, so I guess I'm on the right track
I could definitely use the fish oil and more careful review of my own training footage - I love seeing matches on YouTube but I haven't watched myself spar more than a couple of times.
Not sure if you posted about this before, but could you elaborate on your recommendation of S&C? Curious how you incorporate ropes and kettlebells.
I've posted about Steve Maxwell a few times before. I'm really into his stuff - slower tempo and bodyweight exercises, a lot of mobility work, KBs. He focuses on longevity and movement.
I'm a tall, lanky, generally weak guy so for now I'm focusing on strength. I try to keep it very simple, 3x/week, few exercises:
Quote: (08-05-2016 11:29 AM)Ringo Wrote:
I lift 3x/week and do BJJ 3x/week. Only 3 sets of RPT weighted pullups/RPT press/20-rep light squats or 100 pushups/RPT heavy rows/20-rep light squats, with some curls and triceps extensions 1x/week. All my lifts went way up, bodyweight increased a bit and I feel and look better overall.
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This, Musahi felt, was the ulimate goal of training, to be so highly skilled and mentally developed that your mere presence was intimidation and no man would dare challenge you.
Quote: (08-13-2016 05:19 AM)Parzival Wrote:
From the book Flashing Steel:
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This, Musahi felt, was the ulimate goal of training, to be so highly skilled and mentally developed that your mere presence was intimidation and no man would dare challenge you.
It fit more here then in the various self defence tools topics. No martial art, no weapon or tool create a superior benefit when you don't have the mindset. Of course to pull the trigger of a gun you don't need to have a warrior spirit. All the training should not be there for just defend yourself, it should make you a wiser man and noble your character. When you are truly skilled you have the situation awareness to avoid certain situations. And you have the mindset to don't get carried away out of emotion or to test yourself. There is a fitting quote from Arnold Schwarzenegger as well, when you drive an BMW you want to proof everyone how fast your car can go but when you drive a Porsche, you know you can go fast if you want and don't need to do it.
Noble your character and be honest to yourself. Some of the older guys told it, when they had be to proud to hold back or rest properly to cure injuries. Or other guys go into fights to test how good they are. This level is not the end of the journey. You can't avoid any fights or battles in life but you should be the one that chose what fights and battles you pick to complete your journey.
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HONG KONG — Bruce Lee was 14 years old, and on the losing end of several street fights with local gang members, when he took up kung fu.
It was 1955, and Hong Kong was bustling with schools teaching a range of kung fu styles, including close-combat techniques and a method using a daunting weapon known as the nine-dragon trident.
Mr. Lee’s decision paid off. After perfecting moves like his one-inch punch and leaping kick under the tutelage of a grand master, he became an international star, introducing kung fu to the world in films like “Enter the Dragon” in 1973.
Decades later, cue the dragon’s exit.
The kung fu culture that Mr. Lee helped popularize — and that gave the city a gritty, exotic image in the eyes of foreigners — is in decline. Hong Kong’s streets are safer, with fewer murders by the fierce crime organizations known as triads that figured in so many kung fu films. And its real estate is among the world’s most expensive, making it difficult for training studios to afford soaring rents.
Gone are the days when “kung fu was a big part of people’s cultural and leisure life,” said Mak King Sang Ricardo, the author of a history of martial arts in Hong Kong. “After work, people would go to martial arts schools, where they’d cook dinner together and practice kung fu until 11 at night.”
With a shift in martial arts preferences, the rise of video games — more teenagers play Pokémon Go in parks here than practice a roundhouse kick — and a perception among young people that kung fu just isn’t cool, longtime martial artists worry that kung fu’s future is bleak.
“When I was growing up so many people learned kung fu, but that’s no longer the case,” said Leung Ting, 69, who has been teaching wing chun, a close-combat technique, for 50 years. “Sadly, I think Chinese martial arts are more popular overseas than in their home now.”
According to Mr. Leung’s organization, the International WingTsun Association, former apprentices have opened 4,000 branches in more than 65 countries, but only five in Hong Kong.
Few kung fu schools remain in Yau Ma Tei, a district of Kowloon that was once the center for martial arts. Nathan Road — where the young Bruce Lee learned his craft from Ip Man (often spelled Yip Man), the legendary teacher who was the subject of Wong Kar-wai’s 2013 film “The Grandmaster” — is now lined with cosmetic shops and pharmacies that cater to tourists from the mainland.
Though he lives in Yau Ma Tei, Tony Choi, a recent college graduate, has never been tempted to check out the remaining schools. Mr. Choi, 22, said that “kung fu just never came to mind.”
He added, “Kung fu is more for retired uncles and grandpas.”
When they do train in martial arts, younger people here tend to pick Thai boxing and judo.
Valerie Ng, a 20-year-old college student, says she prefers Thai boxing because it is “attractive and charming” and does not take as long to master. She noted that kung fu masters often do not have defined muscles and that some of them look, well, a little chubby.
“You can see how fierce Thai boxing is from watching professional matches,” she said. “But I rarely see such competition for kung fu, which makes me wonder whether those kung fu masters really are good at fighting or they just claim to be,” she said.
So Tak Chung, 59, remembers how different things were. When he was a boy, he and his friends would run home from school as fast as they could to watch kung fu shows on television.
“Kung fu always gave me a sense of justice and pride in being Chinese,” Mr. So said while stretching his legs for a Sunday night lesson at Kowloon Park. “It feels like if you knew kung fu, you could beat the bad guys and help the needy.”
Mr. So’s master, Mak Che Kong, 64, is less hopeful about the future. He ran one of the last studios in Kowloon in the 1980s, but soaring rents caused it to shut down, along with other family businesses that were once a fixture of Hong Kong street life, like Dit Da, or bone-setting, shops that use traditional Chinese medicine to treat sprains and fractures.
Mr. Mak, who is not related to the author of the martial arts history, has fewer than 20 students now, down from twice that number several years ago. Most students are over the age of 40.
He holds classes all over the city because “students will not come if they need to travel much.” On Tuesdays, he teaches at a pier in the city’s Central District; on Wednesdays, near a government marriage registry in Sha Tin in the New Territories; and on Sundays, at a public park in Kowloon. On Mondays and Fridays, he teaches at a kung fu school in a warehouse opened by one of his students.
Describing himself as “old school,” Mr. Mak fiercely defended kung fu traditions. “Chinese kung fu is not about fighting; it is about patience and hard work,” he said.
When he learned kung fu in the late 1960s, masters were father figures and apprentices had deep respect for kung fu. Students were willing to spend months or years perfecting just their horse-riding stance, a rest position often used for practicing punches and strengthening the legs and back.
“Today, if you ask a student to practice horse-riding stance for one lesson, he will not come again,” Mr. Mak said. “They are used to living a comfortable life.”
In English, kung fu is often used as an umbrella term for all Chinese martial arts. But in Chinese, it refers to any discipline or skill that is achieved through hard work.
Kung fu traces its history to ancient China, with hundreds of fighting styles developing over the centuries. But it soared in popularity at the beginning of the 20th century, as revolution swept the nation.
After the fall of the Qing dynasty a century ago, the Chinese Nationalist party, or the Kuomintang, used martial arts to promote national pride, setting up competitions and sending an exhibition team to the Olympics. But the government also tried to suppress wuxia, a martial arts genre of literature and film, as superstitious and potentially subversive.
When the Nationalists fell in 1949, the new Communist government in Beijing sought to control martial arts from the Chinese mainland. The Shaolin Temple, said to be the home of Asian martial arts in central China, was ransacked during the Cultural Revolution of 1966-76 and its Buddhist monks jailed.
Throughout those decades, martial artists from mainland China sought refuge in what was then the British colony of Hong Kong.
By the 1970s, kung fu fever had spread around the world. In addition to Bruce Lee’s films, the television series “Kung Fu,” starring David Carradine, became one of the most popular programs in the United States.
Though Hong Kong’s kung fu films do not draw the attention they once did, the genre has influenced a generation of directors, including Quentin Tarantino and Ang Lee, and the actor Jackie Chan and others have kept it alive as comedy.
In a twist, kung fu has enjoyed a renaissance in mainland China, where the government has standardized it and promoted it in secondary schools as a sport known as wushu to foster national pride.
As the martial arts center of gravity shifts to the mainland, some in Hong Kong have expressed hope that the government might support a revival here, too. Others are trying to carry on the tradition themselves.
Li Zhuangxin, a trim 17-year-old, has been studying the wing chun technique for more than four years. He was inspired by his grandfather, a devotee of the fighting style hung ga who gave Mr. Li his first kung fu lesson at age 8.
He hopes to open his own kung fu school one day — maybe on the mainland, where interest is higher and rents are cheaper — and has already set up a small wing chun club, with eight members, at his high school.
Few of his classmates had ever heard of wing chun before. Mr. Li, undaunted, says he wants to impart “the concentration and determination of kung fu” to his friends, who he laments are “only interested in playing with their cellphones.”
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Quote: (10-26-2016 03:13 PM)Parzival Wrote:
I moved to a new place so I can't continue my boxing. I just did about 1.5 years boxing and still a beginner. Now there is the question if I go back to a club for boxing or do Ju Jitsu. I'm between those because I want to widen my field to more self defence then just boxing. I like boxing a lot. Especially the direct approach of it, sparring, reaction and so on but it lack a lot of stuff what I can use in wider self defence situation.
Of course nobody here can take the decision away from me and I will check both. Just want to rise my toughs on it. Maybe even both. Will check it out.
Quote: (10-28-2016 08:25 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:
^Kai, why would you recommend Judo over Japanese JuJutsu? Jujutsu is more complete, and has atemi waza, handy to close the distance before the grappling occurs. Plus I feel that the sport aspect of Judo makes it less pro-active than Jujutsu.
Quote: (10-28-2016 08:25 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:
^Kai, why would you recommend Judo over Japanese JuJutsu? Jujutsu is more complete, and has atemi waza, handy to close the distance before the grappling occurs. Plus I feel that the sport aspect of Judo makes it less pro-active than Jujutsu.
@Kinjutsu: yeah, I feel the same with Kenjutsu. Its so hard to find a good school nowadays. I scoured Paris for a good dojo and found a Jap Sensei who used to be uchidechi for one of the shihan of Shinkage Ryu style. Took 2 of his class, but feel like the teaching was totally watered down, washed up reject of what I would expect from a martial arts to kill with the sword. A lot of flowery stuff that I'm pretty sure was utter bullshit. At the beginning of class he asked us to bow to the east and then to the west, and feel if there's any difference. A ton of his students, the type of Paris hipsters, said that "bowing to the west is more natural because it follows the movement of the sun". I was like the fuck?
On top of that few of his students were fit, and the katas are not explained at all, even to the senior student. Yet this guy is widely considered a swordmaster in France and gives plenty of demonstration.
I wonder if somewhere the true arts of the samurai still exist and being taught.
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