[Excelsior]

(08-15-2011 03:40 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Like the other dude said, gotta stop pedestalizing them. I think if you want to have an easier time with white chics, you have to be somewhere that whiteness isn't that highly valued, and that would most likely be in places where they are normally only surrounded by their own kind. It also has to have a generally tolerant culture or else you end up with a place like Russia or rural Texas where blacks get dragged behind trucks. In any racially diverse society that includes whites and non-whites like the USA, Brazil, Colombia, etc, whiteness(or at least lightness of skin color) always get highly valued and treated like a prize.

I think you're really onto something here. This may explain why guys like MiXX observed a favorable environment for black guys in places like North Dakota and Winnipeg.

[Jason Zee]

(08-15-2011 06:28 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(08-15-2011 03:40 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Like the other dude said, gotta stop pedestalizing them. I think if you want to have an easier time with white chics, you have to be somewhere that whiteness isn't that highly valued, and that would most likely be in places where they are normally only surrounded by their own kind. It also has to have a generally tolerant culture or else you end up with a place like Russia or rural Texas where blacks get dragged behind trucks. In any racially diverse society that includes whites and non-whites like the USA, Brazil, Colombia, etc, whiteness(or at least lightness of skin color) always get highly valued and treated like a prize.

I think you're really onto something here. This may explain why guys like MiXX observed a favorable environment for black guys in places like North Dakota and Winnipeg.

I highly doubt that as North Dakota is one of the most conservative states in the U.S. Maybe in some of your more poorer areas but middle class white chicks I think its a definite no. Black guys do a lot better in more liberal states like California, New York,Hawaii,Illinois, Ohio and Toronto etc.

[Excelsior]

(08-15-2011 06:38 PM)Jason Zee Wrote:  

I highly doubt that as North Dakota is one of the most conservative states in the U.S.

It is known.

[Jason Zee]

What is known? In general your more conservative states are not big on IR dating like your more liberal states. I named some of those states above. We need to speak in general terms and refrain from highlighting exceptions.

[rudebwoy]

(08-15-2011 07:14 PM)Jason Zee Wrote:  

What is known? In general your more conservative states are not big on IR dating like your more liberal states. I named some of those states above. We need to speak in general terms and refrain from highlighting exceptions.

[Screwston]

(08-15-2011 06:28 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(08-15-2011 03:40 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Like the other dude said, gotta stop pedestalizing them. I think if you want to have an easier time with white chics, you have to be somewhere that whiteness isn't that highly valued, and that would most likely be in places where they are normally only surrounded by their own kind. It also has to have a generally tolerant culture or else you end up with a place like Russia or rural Texas where blacks get dragged behind trucks. In any racially diverse society that includes whites and non-whites like the USA, Brazil, Colombia, etc, whiteness(or at least lightness of skin color) always get highly valued and treated like a prize.

I think you're really onto something here. This may explain why guys like MiXX observed a favorable environment for black guys in places like North Dakota and Winnipeg.

Yeah, it makes sense that it's going be a little trickier to fuck with white girls if you're a black or brown guy in a city where you're not exotic at all (Houston). I'm sure things would be a lot different if I popped up in Fargo or some white college town in the midwest. Shit, just any city where the minorities are actually minorities and only make up a small chunk of the population. Mixx has even said Miami sucks for Latinos because there's so many out there.

[Moma]

I still don't see the big infatuation with white lizards that some brothers have. I guess it's because I grew up in England and I never had white women on a pedestal in that sense (was surrounded by them, day and night).

However, I roll with a few African brothas and I find that these guys exclusively hit white lizards. I asked why and one of them said to me that all he saw and hit in Africa was pure black lizards so he wanted to taste that forbidden fruit here now that he has the chance.

It makes sense, I guess.

I diversified my portfolio towards the 21st century and start smashing non black lizards but these were merely incidental and not planned at all.
When I moved to Canada, I started to see how pretty white lizards could be (see my data sheet on Ottawa coming up) and I had to branch out and smash a few but I've never been goo goo gaga over white lizards.
I do, however, find latina females very attractive and I am attracted to asians such as Filipina, Cambodians and Laotians.
I hit a Cambodian, a Viet but I'm still O on the Filipina front.

Where to hit these white lizards? Do as Athlone and other posters have said. Go to cities where you are a novelty and you can clean up.

[speakeasy]

(08-15-2011 09:12 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I still don't see the big infatuation with white lizards that some brothers have. I guess it's because I grew up in England

That explains it all.

[Moma]

(08-16-2011 02:11 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(08-15-2011 09:12 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I still don't see the big infatuation with white lizards that some brothers have. I guess it's because I grew up in England

That explains it all.

True dat but I'm a little surprised that Afro Americans would be so goo gaga. America is not a black country. It's not like the Caribbean or Africa where you can go months in certain parts without even seeing a light skinned cat.
However, America is quite segregated in its communities and some brothas grow up with their only encounter of white folk being through authority figures i.e police.
It's still a bit of a surprise to me though.

[jariel]

(08-15-2011 06:38 PM)Jason Zee Wrote:  

I highly doubt that as North Dakota is one of the most conservative states in the U.S. Maybe in some of your more poorer areas but middle class white chicks I think its a definite no. Black guys do a lot better in more liberal states like California, New York,Hawaii,Illinois, Ohio and Toronto etc.

Sure guy, whatever you say.

A chick can be conservative, doesn't mean she doesn't want to get fucked.

Some of you keep trying to make up these real specific bullshit rules of the game that can easily be refuted.

I've run through more red states than Bush.

P.S. Toronto isn't a state.

[jariel]

(08-15-2011 09:12 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I still don't see the big infatuation with white lizards that some brothers have.

There's a lot of self-hate going on within Black Americans -- and many other non-White people. They see white women, even if they're fat, ugly as fuck, as status symbols.

Personally, being Latin, I think our women -- albeit they're crazy as fuck -- are the baddest on the planet.

An average latina shuts down an above-average WASP or JAP. I know she can make me pass out either with a bad ass meal or some bomb ass pussy, and often both in the same encounter, plus her attitude towards me is "I'm so lucky to be with you Papi" as opposed to "You're lucky I took your call".

I've fucked plenty of White American chicks, but that's as far as it's going, they don't know how to take care of a man, and if you can't do that, you can't keep one, at least not one like me.

Too many years of getting their asses kissed by grandpa, dad, step-dad, and watching their mothers run over all of them, have rendered them useless except for late night love -- which usually results in some nice gifts, if you're enough of a player to ask for them.

Let's keep it 110, the majority of the dudes in the PUA/game community is White, and the anti-American women sentiment in the community is incredibly strong. These dudes in essence have said we quit on White American women, because they're not checking for Black women, and they don't really look at Latinas, Asians, etc. as being Americans, so shit, if they're passing on their own women, why are some of you so captivated by them?

They will flow to you like water once you change your attitude to something that conveys "she wants to fuck me, and fantasizes about it regularly, and if her fantasy comes true it will be even better than anything she could possibly imagine, instead of this self-hate bullshit of "I need to assimilate enough into white culture" to be considered worthy enough to get her.

[Excelsior]

(08-16-2011 07:32 AM)jariel Wrote:  

These dudes in essence have said we quit on White American women, because they're not checking for Black women, and they don't really look at Latinas, Asians, etc. as being Americans, so shit, if they're passing on their own women, why are some of you so captivated by them?

Let's just establish a couple of things here first.

Who exactly here is "captivated" by white-american women, and what is your specific evidence of this captivation?

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They will flow to you like water once you change your attitude to something that conveys "she wants to fuck me, and fantasizes about it regularly, and if her fantasy comes true it will be even better than anything she could possibly imagine, instead of this self-hate bullshit of "I need to assimilate enough into white culture" to be considered worthy enough to get her.

I personally contended earlier that more assimilated blacks tend to have better chances with non-black women (that would include many asian and hispanic women, not just white ones).

-I do not recall claiming that following such advice would have any effect at all on an individuals inherent worthiness, and I do not recall any other member here doing so either.

-Furthermore, I do not understand how one could categorize such advice as "self-hate". As I stated before, it has nothing to do with a given individuals inherent worthiness or perception thereof (hating or liking it).

-Additionally, this is a statement of fact-if an average black male seeks to expand his dating options beyond the black American woman and certain fetishists, assimilation will help him do so. One's mindset/attitude is very important, but perception is reality-to ignore one's own conduct(in this case, assimilation) in the process is to commit a fatal logical flaw and mitigate progress in addressing the issue at hand. Your own conduct counts heavily for your success rate-this fact is unavoidable, and largely not debatable for anyone with a basic understanding of game/evo-psych/female nature.

-How does the term "self-hate" apply here? Not only is the statement advising assimilation accurate, but I see no evidence of the notion that a desire to expand one's dating options is a sure sign of hatred of one's own being.

To summarize: Given all of this, I'd be curious to know where exactly your insinuations are coming from.

[Jason Zee]

(08-16-2011 08:36 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 07:32 AM)jariel Wrote:  

These dudes in essence have said we quit on White American women, because they're not checking for Black women, and they don't really look at Latinas, Asians, etc. as being Americans, so shit, if they're passing on their own women, why are some of you so captivated by them?

Let's just establish a couple of things here first.

Who exactly here is "captivated" by white-american women, and what is your specific evidence of this captivation?

Quote:

They will flow to you like water once you change your attitude to something that conveys "she wants to fuck me, and fantasizes about it regularly, and if her fantasy comes true it will be even better than anything she could possibly imagine, instead of this self-hate bullshit of "I need to assimilate enough into white culture" to be considered worthy enough to get her.

I personally contended earlier that more assimilated blacks tend to have better chances with non-black women (that would include many asian and hispanic women, not just white ones).

-I do not recall claiming that following such advice would have any effect at all on an individuals inherent worthiness, and I do not recall any other member here doing so either.

-Furthermore, I do not understand how one could categorize such advice as "self-hate". As I stated before, it has nothing to do with a given individuals inherent worthiness or perception thereof (hating or liking it).

-Additionally, this is a statement of fact-if an average black male seeks to expand his dating options beyond the black American woman and certain fetishists, assimilation will help him do so. One's mindset/attitude is very important, but perception is reality-to ignore one's own conduct(in this case, assimilation) in the process is to commit a fatal logical flaw and mitigate progress in addressing the issue at hand. Your own conduct counts heavily for your success rate-this fact is unavoidable, and largely not debatable for anyone with a basic understanding of game/evo-psych/female nature.

-How does the term "self-hate" apply here? Not only is the statement advising assimilation accurate, but I see no evidence of the notion that a desire to expand one's dating options is a sure sign of hatred of one's own being.

To summarize: Given all of this, I'd be curious to know where exactly your insinuations are coming from.

Athalone,

I suspect that the insinuations come from a post that you made that stated that Black American women are the worst option? I read over the post it seemed like a lot of the black guys in this forum did not agree with your observations or feelings towards American Black women. Also, you talk about black men assimilating a lot in order for them to get white/hispanic/asian women. Most guys are not willing to change their culture or what they like for a woman. Learning game is one thing but completely changing ones’s culture for a white woman to accept them seems “self hating”. Or lack of pride in one’s culture. That’s like someone telling me to try and assimilate into asian culture to get a asian chick or hip-hop culture to get a black chick.....I personally am not willing to do that. I am who I am and it is what it is.

@Jariel- We are not passing on white women we are simply saying that the unfeminine behavior, the overweight women, and the lawyer cunts are becoming too much. At the end of the day, I will probably marry a white chick because thats what I’m used to. Plus, I want my children to look like me, I’m sure most guys here feel the exact same way.

[speakeasy]

(08-16-2011 09:17 AM)Jason Zee Wrote:  

Plus, I want my children to look like me

That's interesting. Well, both my parents are black and I don't feel I look much like either my mom or my dad. I share my dad's exact same height and physique, but facially, we don't look the same at all. And I look even less like my mom. I do share some features in common with my sister.

In most cases you mixed race children will share features of both parents just like non-mixed children. And often non-mixed children look nothing like their parents other than skin color. My last serious girl was half black and half white. She shares a lot of facial features with her white mother.

Maybe what you really meant to say is you want your children to have the same skin color as you. That would be more accurate.

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I’m sure most guys here feel the exact same way.

Not an issue of importance to me personally, whether my kids are full black or mixed-race. I don't care at all how much they look like me. I only care that they are smart and behave well. Beyond that, I couldn't care less.

[Moma]

I understand what Jason is saying. There is nothing wrong with being preferential about with whom one wants to have offspring with.
And a white male who has children with a white lizard will have children that look more similar to him than if he had them with a black/asian/indian lizard etc..

[azulsombra]

(08-15-2011 09:12 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I still don't see the big infatuation with white lizards that some brothers have. I guess it's because I grew up in England and I never had white women on a pedestal in that sense (was surrounded by them, day and night).

It's not just an England thing, I'm from the northeastern U.S. and grew up surrounded by white chicks as well from kindergarten-college. I've had years to sample that fruit. As such, they hold no special appeal to me. Give me a sexy middle-eastern, sweet south east asian, or a thick mestiza over a generic white girl any day of the week.

Now, a stunner is a stunner regardless of race, but most people are attracted to whatever is "exotic" to them.

[Excelsior]

(08-16-2011 09:17 AM)Jason Zee Wrote:  

Athalone,

I suspect that the insinuations come from a post that you made that stated that Black American women are the worst option? I read over the post it seemed like a lot of the black guys in this forum did not agree with your observations or feelings towards American Black women.

And, as I have clearly displayed before, not a single one of them has been able to challenge me on this. Several did agree with me.

I'm still waiting if anyone else wants to step up. Playa-with-a-passport, I'd love to hear your response. Jariel, you too.

Quote:

Also, you talk about black men assimilating a lot in order for them to get white/hispanic/asian women. Most guys are not willing to change their culture or what they like for a woman.

Then they don't need to. If they do, they will do better, but if they aren't willing to change at all then that is their prerogative.
All I've done is state a matter of fact-don't shoot the messenger. I'm just telling it as it is.

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Learning game is one thing but completely changing ones’s culture for a white woman to accept them seems “self hating”.

And that's another thing-a "complete" change isn't necessary. Dressing differently and cutting your dreads down or whatever just a little does not a complete cultural shift make.

People suggest taking different approaches and styles of dress in the travel forum (i.e. suiting down or getting casual, learning other languages, running less or more cocky/funny game, etc) for different locations and ethnicities of women all the time. When you adhere to those suggestions in order to give yourself a better shot at whatever group of women is in question and start dressing/talking/approaching differently, are you "self-hating"?

**For the record, I've never personally "changed" my culture or really had to. I've largely been what you could call "assimilated" all my life.

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@Jariel- We are not passing on white women we are simply saying that the unfeminine behavior, the overweight women, and the lawyer cunts are becoming too much. At the end of the day, I will probably marry a white chick because thats what I’m used to. Plus, I want my children to look like me, I’m sure most guys here feel the exact same way.

What Speakeasy said.

[speakeasy]

Here is my take on assimilate thing...I think "assimilate" is a poor choice of words. I think you should be adaptable and versatile. Read Roosh's recent post on being a shapeshifter.

I can pretty much hang around almost ANYONE. I can hang out with my family back east in the ghetto and get along. I can go to a 4th of July BBQ in a rich white suburb and fit in. I can be at a party with all Latinos and I'm the only black guy and still be able to talk to people. Obviously I can't talk to all people about the same things. But when you're well-rounded enough and have been used to dealing with different types of people, you project different parts of yourself depending on who you are with. It's like being culturally bilingual or trilingual. My ghetto relatives probably won't care much about hearing my hostel stories in South America, that stuff doesn't really interest them. But some white girl I met at an art show probably would find it fascinating. At the same time she probably won't care to talk about the latest Tyler Perry venture, but my black relatives would. You just have to know your crowd and be versatile enough to have different things to talk about with different types of people. Don't get me wrong, if I meet some black people who are particularly open-minded, I'll gladly tell them about the shitty hostels I slept in in Bolivia. But I know 99% of blacks have no interest in backpacking or anything outdoorsy so I don't generally bring up subjects like that, or hiking or camping, but will talk about that with my white friends.

[Caligula]

I'm not very interested in this debate; it's rarely productive to get involved in race discussions.

However, Athalone's point seems to be supported by this:
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.html/your-r...-you-back/

Which suggests that (at least in online dating) all men, including black men, are less likely to respond to black women than others. Black women are also more likely to respond to your message than any other race.

The study has its flaws, but it's an interesting snapshot nonetheless.

[Jason Zee]

(08-16-2011 03:42 PM)Caligula Wrote:  

I'm not very interested in this debate; it's rarely productive to get involved in race discussions.

However, Athalone's point seems to be supported by this:
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.html/your-r...-you-back/

Which suggests that (at least in online dating) all men, including black men, are less likely to respond to black women than others. Black women are also more likely to respond to your message than any other race.

The study has its flaws, but it's an interesting snapshot nonetheless.

The findings show that **both** Black women and men receive the lowest responses. But you must provide context or background information to this study. Most people especially whites on OkCupid are not seeking non black partners generally. My sister’s friend used to use OKCupid and she told us that most white women on there were exclusively looking for white men.

[speakeasy]

(08-16-2011 03:42 PM)Caligula Wrote:  

I'm not very interested in this debate; it's rarely productive to get involved in race discussions.

However, Athalone's point seems to be supported by this:
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.html/your-r...-you-back/

Which suggests that (at least in online dating) all men, including black men, are less likely to respond to black women than others. Black women are also more likely to respond to your message than any other race.

The study has its flaws, but it's an interesting snapshot nonetheless.

I've seen that article before and the OK Cupid blog has some great material overall.



The thing is the white male reply rate to black women doesn't seem that bad. They reply 1/3rd of the time(32%). A white male responds to white females 41% of the time. So if a black girl messages 10 white guys she will on average get 3 responses back. And if a white girl messages 10 white guys she will on average get 4 messages back. Is this really any big deal?


Even when you reverse it and make it black men and white women:



White females only respond to black males about 21% of the time, yet they only respond to white males 29% of the time. So a black guy will get 2 white girls write back for every 10 messages and a white guy will get 3. So is it really such a huge difference?

Of course we are only talking *reply rates*, not likelihood of entering a relationship. They may just be hooking up for casual sex but would never get serious with each other.

[Jason Zee]

@Speakeasy -I agree with your assessment.
I don’t think those OkCupid stats tell us anything that we don’t know. Quite honestly, I think the nerdy creators of that poll were out to make African Americans look undesirable.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(08-04-2011 09:44 AM)rakishness Wrote:  

Ha! Theogreat is on that Black Power Tip.

But seriously he does sound bitter. You also come off as some kinda white knight for Black Females. Trust me...... If more black chicks looked like Keisha Pulliam as opposed to Gabourey Sidibe there would be less black dudes hopping the fence.

I know this post is days old, but I just had to comment on the Keisha Knight Pulliam compliment. That is one fine sista!! What I especially like about her is that for the most part, she appears to be 100% black, not half mixed, which means full blooded sistas out there are hot to to be had. But where oh where are they?? I would literally have to think hard and long between Keisha and Hayden Panaterria (?), who I've mentioned many times is super fine to me!

[speakeasy]

(08-16-2011 06:02 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(08-04-2011 09:44 AM)rakishness Wrote:  

Ha! Theogreat is on that Black Power Tip.

But seriously he does sound bitter. You also come off as some kinda white knight for Black Females. Trust me...... If more black chicks looked like Keisha Pulliam as opposed to Gabourey Sidibe there would be less black dudes hopping the fence.

I know this post is days old, but I just had to comment on the Keisha Knight Pulliam compliment. That is one fine sista!! What I especially like about her is that for the most part, she appears to be 100% black, not half mixed, which means full blooded sistas out there are hot to to be had. But where oh where are they?? I would literally have to think hard and long between Keisha and Hayden Panaterria (?), who I've mentioned many times is super fine to me!

This girls looks 100% and she's beautiful

[Excelsior]

(08-16-2011 03:40 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Here is my take on assimilate thing...I think "assimilate" is a poor choice of words. I think you should be adaptable and versatile. Read Roosh's recent post on being a shapeshifter.

I can pretty much hang around almost ANYONE. I can hang out with my family back east in the ghetto and get along. I can go to a 4th of July BBQ in a rich white suburb and fit in. I can be at a party with all Latinos and I'm the only black guy and still be able to talk to people. Obviously I can't talk to all people about the same things. But when you're well-rounded enough and have been used to dealing with different types of people, you project different parts of yourself depending on who you are with. It's like being culturally bilingual or trilingual. My ghetto relatives probably won't care much about hearing my hostel stories in South America, that stuff doesn't really interest them. But some white girl I met at an art show probably would find it fascinating. At the same time she probably won't care to talk about the latest Tyler Perry venture, but my black relatives would. You just have to know your crowd and be versatile enough to have different things to talk about with different types of people. Don't get me wrong, if I meet some black people who are particularly open-minded, I'll gladly tell them about the shitty hostels I slept in in Bolivia. But I know 99% of blacks have no interest in backpacking or anything outdoorsy so I don't generally bring up subjects like that, or hiking or camping, but will talk about that with my white friends.

I can agree, I think you have framed this dynamic better than I did. It isn't so much assimilation as it is adaptation and versatility one should strive for.
This will give one the ability to create the visual affect of assimilation in multiple environments, thus expanding ones options greatly.

Well said.