[Going strong]

Breaking News, Leopoldo "the White Mandela" Lopez has just been freed. Coup (or popular liberation) underway.



About Leopoldo Lopez: thread-55800...pid1402106

The martyr, freed at last:


https://www.infobae.com/america/venezuel...ilizarnos/

[TutorGuina]

Oppositionist Guaido has rallied the people for a military upsrising through a video where he can be seen surrounded by armed soldiers
Reports of social media blackout, tear gas and negotiations for Maduro's escape

Live of the protest, I already heard gunshots

Guaido's video for the Venezuelan people

It's happening guys, buckle up

https://twitter.com/radiobandnewsfm/stat...3430500352
military vs military

[TutorGuina]

https://twitter.com/VP/status/1123222613273321472
They already have a name for the operation, everything points out it was a throughout planned with Venezuelan opposition, USA and Brazil

Another feed, seems to be working better than RT and the Sun

[911]

(04-30-2019 08:47 AM)TutorGuina Wrote:  

Oppositionist Guaido has rallied the people for a military upsrising through a video where he can be seen surrounded by armed soldiers
Reports of social media blackout, tear gas and negotiations for Maduro's escape

...
It's happening guys, buckle up
...

This kind of reminds me of the rumors of imminent regime change in Iran a couple of years ago. It looks like an ongoing coup attempt with a small group of loyal troops, which will probably be snuffed in a day or two.

This coup has little chance of succeeding unless support for Maduro craters from inside, which at this point looks pretty unlikely in the short term. Question is whether they will just arrest Guaido and this group, will they go quietly, or will there be more generalized bloodshed and urban clashes around Caracas.

[Luvianka]

(04-30-2019 09:23 AM)911 Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 08:47 AM)TutorGuina Wrote:  

Oppositionist Guaido has rallied the people for a military upsrising through a video where he can be seen surrounded by armed soldiers
Reports of social media blackout, tear gas and negotiations for Maduro's escape

...
It's happening guys, buckle up
...

This kind of reminds me of the rumors of imminent regime change in Iran a couple of years ago. It looks like an ongoing coup attempt with a small group of loyal troops, which will probably be snuffed in a day or two.

This coup has little chance of succeeding unless support for Maduro craters from inside, which at this point looks pretty unlikely in the short term. Question is whether they will just arrest Guaido and this group, will they go quietly, or will there be more generalized bloodshed and urban clashes around Caracas.

President Trump is just desperate to get oil to save the petro dollar.

[Mekorig]

Some coments from the ground i got today: Fecal matter is impacting the electric device with blades that turn quickly. Lots of military units are in revolt, or individual soldiers or small soldiers are joining the revolting forces. Also common people are starting to riot, not with stones or improvised shields, but with small guns and petrol bombs. There are already reports of dead among the "colectivos" that support the regime.

[CaptainChardonnay]

(04-30-2019 08:47 AM)TutorGuina Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/radiobandnewsfm/stat...3430500352
military vs military

[Once Was Not]

Is this "it"? Is it happening? I was expecting an invasion. Eh, guess we need to save the troops for Iran. Good luck Venezuela I'm sure the guy we picked for you will be great, we're really good at this picking leaders thing.

[nomadbrah]

(04-30-2019 09:23 AM)911 Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 08:47 AM)TutorGuina Wrote:  

Oppositionist Guaido has rallied the people for a military upsrising through a video where he can be seen surrounded by armed soldiers
Reports of social media blackout, tear gas and negotiations for Maduro's escape

...
It's happening guys, buckle up
...

This kind of reminds me of the rumors of imminent regime change in Iran a couple of years ago. It looks like an ongoing coup attempt with a small group of loyal troops, which will probably be snuffed in a day or two.

This coup has little chance of succeeding unless support for Maduro craters from inside, which at this point looks pretty unlikely in the short term. Question is whether they will just arrest Guaido and this group, will they go quietly, or will there be more generalized bloodshed and urban clashes around Caracas.

Things have changed now that Russia is working with Maduro.

The Russians have sniffed out the Soros/CIA playbook and are prepared. Shutting down social media is the first necessary move.

I had a video once of Lavrov discussing how color revolutions work with some other official. Very interesting. Russia is ahead of this and probably briefed Maduro on how to proceed.

[Luvianka]

It seems that the US cannot organize a sucessful coup anymore.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Fair odds Trump is wary the swamp is trying to drag him into a fuckfest they'll use to bury him.

Seems like he's told them "I authorize nothing, but I'm just going to turn around now and if shit happens while I'm not looking then it's not my fault".

[911]

This coup attempt seems a bit clumsy, it's too soon, like trying to ripen a green banana by microwaving it. The idea was to starve out their economy for a few more years, then capitalize on pent up misery, while key players at the top get secured and are ready to flip at the opportune moment. This will work, as would just waiting for the next elections.

You have top donors like the Koch bothers and Paul Singer who are all in and want regime change NOW. Singer is little Marco's top financier, and the top Republican donor along with other Israel firsters like Sheldon Adelson and Bernard Marcus (Home Depot).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Singe...ilanthropy


If you really want to understand the Trump presidency, all you need to do is to look into these people's agendas: Israel firsters, open border Kalergists, RINOs who are just as rabidly pro-replacement as your average trotskist SPLC cog who keeps a stat sheet of US demography on his office wall. This is why Kushner is in charge of Immigration, he's their guy in the White House. And contrary to what guys like Anonymous Bosch believe, there is no real daylight between those right-wing aliens and their Reform leftie billionaires on the key issues of immigration and foreign policy.

Quote:

Adelson, who dumped more than $75 million into trying to defeat Barack Obama, is pro–immigration reform. In a December 2012 interview with The Wall Street Journal, the casino mogul said: “I’m pro–DREAM Act ... It would be inhumane to send those people back, to send 12 million people out of this country to disrupt a whole potpourri of family issues over what happens to the children. I mean, it’s all ridiculous. So we’ve got to find a way, find a route for those people to get legal citizenship.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-donors...r-and-more

Adelson really cares about those millions of poor Mexican kids in CA or TX, but seems to care a lot less about the brown kids being mowed down by his chosen brethren back in his other country.

[Foolsgo1d]

(04-30-2019 11:29 AM)Luvianka Wrote:  

It seems that the US cannot organize a sucessful coup anymore.

The Brazilians and Colombians got cold feet and will never invade without US forces by their side (in front of theirs).

US also has most recent experience with the people in Africa and the ME when it comes to coups and South America is a different beast. I guess they need to call up the old school coup makers from the 20th Century when it comes to these countries.

If any US force sets foot there its not going to go the way they hope.

[lonewolf1992]

(04-11-2019 04:48 PM)TutorGuina Wrote:  

Reality is: We just don't like war, never had a real one in a long time; and most importantly, there is little to gain from so much money burnt, our crooked media is trying to destabilize Bolsonaro's government and our economy is not that good yet

The upside would be some oil and a controversial political victory? Yeah, fuck that shit, I agree
But Venezuela only tends to get worse, we and Colombia already had skirmishes involving refugee protesters and Chavista soldiers at our borders, more events like this and Maduro bullshitery could force our hand

Spot on dude. You are describing what it is really like. I'm ok with leaving venezuela alone because it doesn't affect me to be honest. Besides dealing with venezuelan immigrants and beggars from that shithole everyday, they can't really take my job and some of their hoes are fucking good. If It was for me, just leave those commie fuckers alone to mind their bussiness. The real problem in Colombia is How can we deport 1000.000 illegal venezuelans who are currently flooding into my country? I wish we did something about that. If maybe they could go back to their shithole and leave my shithole alone that'd be fine but that might need someone to step in and we already have many problems. Tough situation. Fuck maduro.

[Going strong]

Seeing President Trump's twitter feed, I feel like re-posting below a previous post of mine:

(04-08-2019 07:04 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

The USA have slapped heavy sanctions on the boats and companies that carry Venezuela's oil to Cuba. (...)

The US had been reluctant to move in this direction for reasons that I have discussed earlier on this thread (mainly, fear of Cuban "refugees"), but now it is apparently a done deal: the petrol will stop flowing towards Cuba.
(...) Now, Cuba is stuck with radioactive-asset Maduro and the oil will stop flowing.

So, well, what it means is: first, the US are using the death-by-multiple-cuts against Maduro. Secondly, Cuba will have to drop Maduro and strike a discreet deal with J. Guaido and the US. A deal that would maintain some, enough, oil shipments to Cuba, with Guaido accepting to honor some of the current contracts.

In exchange, Cuba will quite possibly have to recall or rein-in their (allegedly) 22.000 soldiers or intel officers currently propping up Maduro. (...)

[/url]

[url=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1123333508078997505]

Meanwhile, and unfortunately, it seems that shrewd Maduro will not crumble today . Leopoldo "White-Latino Mandela" Lopez has been forced to take refuge at the Chilean embassy. And Maduro's generals are still protecting him - and themselves, they have no other option left by now, it's Maduro or The Hague.

So at some point the US administration will realize that there is only one option that would work; I have described it several times on this thread, and it involves a modern, ecological, so quick it's almost painless, weapon falling from the skies. Nothing else seems to work.

Too bad though, seeing an agonizing Maduro about to destroy pussy-paradise Cuba. So, before it's too late, the Cubans should (urgently) negotiate with the US, secure some oil from Guaido, and let Maduro die (or discreetly terminate him themselves, without even the Russians noticing, accidents happen).

[PapayaTapper]

(04-30-2019 04:39 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

Seeing President Trump's twitter feed, I feel like re-posting below a previous post of mine:

(04-08-2019 07:04 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

The USA have slapped heavy sanctions on the boats and companies that carry Venezuela's oil to Cuba. (...)

The US had been reluctant to move in this direction for reasons that I have discussed earlier on this thread (mainly, fear of Cuban "refugees"), but now it is apparently a done deal: the petrol will stop flowing towards Cuba.
(...) Now, Cuba is stuck with radioactive-asset Maduro and the oil will stop flowing.

So, well, what it means is: first, the US are using the death-by-multiple-cuts against Maduro. Secondly, Cuba will have to drop Maduro and strike a discreet deal with J. Guaido and the US. A deal that would maintain some, enough, oil shipments to Cuba, with Guaido accepting to honor some of the current contracts.

In exchange, Cuba will quite possibly have to recall or rein-in their (allegedly) 22.000 soldiers or intel officers currently propping up Maduro. (...)

[/url]

[url=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1123333508078997505]

Meanwhile, and unfortunately, it seems that shrewd Maduro will not crumble today . Leopoldo "White-Latino Mandela" Lopez has been forced to take refuge at the Chilean embassy. And Maduro's generals are still protecting him - and themselves, they have no other option left by now, it's Maduro or The Hague.

So at some point the US administration will realize that there is only one option that would work; I have described it several times on this thread, and it involves a modern, ecological, so quick it's almost painless, weapon falling from the skies. Nothing else seems to work.

Too bad though, seeing an agonizing Maduro about to destroy pussy-paradise Cuba. So, before it's too late, the Cubans should (urgently) negotiate with the US, secure some oil from Guaido, and let Maduro die (or discreetly terminate him themselves, without even the Russians noticing, accidents happen).

This would be a great time for Cuba to shift alliances and start trade dialogue (including oil imports) with the US in exchange for broad political reform. I know its not going to happen as the legacy commies would have loosen their grip...but the writing is on the wall anyway

[Luvianka]

Mr MAGA just went total and completely nuts, he is desperate to grab Venezuelan oil.

[Piecoon]

WB

[Leonard D Neubache]

I'm starting to read all of Trump's tweets with the preface "If my masters wish it,".

It seems to lend a far more accurate understanding.

[Heuristics]

Hoping for a massive influx of female refugees from Venezuela after this neo-con war gets going. Hopefully some of us get big tittied Venezuelan girlfriends before it's all said and done. I certainly want to take home treasure if I'm going to get drafted. ?

[SamuelBRoberts]

[url=https://twitter.com/KurtSchlichter/status/1123358622195412992][/url]

Sometimes I want socialism to come to the US just to hear the screams coming from people like this.
I hate Boomers so much.

The childish rah-rah muh military bravado, the infantile understanding of the outside world, the casual disregard for human life and the cost that a war would entail...

Yeah, I think I'd take a 20% increase in marginal tax rates just to see this guy howl as a wealth tax stripped away his savings. If nothing else I could cancel my cable, 'cause I'd never get tired of watching it.

[Heuristics]

(04-30-2019 07:47 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

[url=https://twitter.com/KurtSchlichter/status/1123358622195412992][/url]

Sometimes I want socialism to come to the US just to hear the screams coming from people like this.
I hate Boomers so much.

Me too. They always ask, "how are you going to pay for it?"

I'm going to start telling them, "we're going to take the money from the boomers and cut your social programs. That way we don't go into any more debt."

[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

The oil comes to the US no matter who is in charge. Venezuela crude is heavy and sour. The majority of refineries that can crack it into oils and gasoline are in the US.

Before the US refiners retooled to refine heavy oil (1990s), their type of oil was mostly turned into asphalt, which had low margins.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(04-30-2019 07:47 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

[url=https://twitter.com/KurtSchlichter/status/1123358622195412992][/url]

Sometimes I want socialism to come to the US just to hear the screams coming from people like this.
I hate Boomers so much.

The childish rah-rah muh military bravado, the infantile understanding of the outside world, the casual disregard for human life and the cost that a war would entail...

Yeah, I think I'd take a 20% increase in marginal tax rates just to see this guy howl as a wealth tax stripped away his savings. If nothing else I could cancel my cable, 'cause I'd never get tired of watching it.

I'm starting to see the value in religion if for no other reason than to fill the void that becomes otherwise occupied by boomer style world views.

I have more respect for African Shamanism than Boomer globo-capitalism because at least the former has cultural ties and a track record of preserving heritage values no matter how gruesome they happen to be.

The Boomers and their ridiculous self centered church of capitalism are a single-generation death cult who by any measure have a legacy a hundred times more murderous than ISIS. These lunatics unironically tell you with a straight face that if bringing in another million Indians to the country raises GDP by ten dollars a head per week then it's a good thing and that anyone who questions that is a fucking commie.

They cannot die quickly enough.

[SW15]

Venezuela needs to collapse. The coup would happen even if there was no U.S. interaction. The people are starving. Hyperinflation. Massive corruption. It's just a bad situation.