[Vronski]

(07-12-2016 09:53 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

I envied them and learned from them

Adopting some of the local playing rules is sometimes good for your game .... but don't try to become a Russian (or, to make a generalization, a Slav). They are their own worst enemy when it comes to women sometimes. Besides that, pretending to be a Slav is still pretending. It's like being a wigger.

I find it best to take the best of the slav game, those aspects which the slavic female is groomed to like and most importantly respect ...... being manly, forward and uncompromising ....... but without being rude and oafish (unlike Russian guys, who most often do are rude and oafish) .....and combining it with the qualities of the western male ....humour, intelligence, empathy, sentimentality and sensitivity at the right moments, ect. Also show your interest, but don't overdo. A bit of aloofness will always work in your favor.

[Rocha]

^^
Interesting observations Vronski. But I feel quite differently, the use of those western male traits can be good if the girl speaks english or other western language, wich mainly happens if she was exposed to western society, basically if lives or lived abroad, or is in anastasiadate or other similar mean to snatch a westerner.

If a girl speaks only russian, and assuming the guy can handle the interaction in that language, there is no best game than be brutal and bold with them. In this last case its the only language they understand. It works in the first case too, except for the girls who clearly reject and despise their own culture. I admit that for me these last ones have been a though nut to crack.
Of course that in all of the previous cases, beeing aloof, genuinely funny (in the russian sense), jovial and energetic, helps a lot.

[Dantes]

I find that Russian women respond well to Direct style. This holds true for the approach and also on a date.

Let your intentions be known

Lead the interaction

Pay for the date. If she offers to pay, move on to someone else. She isn't interested.

My experience now in Russia is that everything can be determined by the eye contact.

Some aspects of western style game work well: humor, banter, and a little bit of teasing. Ultimately, you can be much more direct than with Western women. I find simple expressions of interest work well.

[Beirut]

Vronski very good point and i agree 100 percent. Besides i couldnt copy them even if i wanted to. It would come off totally unnatural and incongruent.

What i did was grab a girl by the arm who i had been eyeing. Normally id have waited, smiled, wavedd over etc... but i thought of the guys and grabbed her and sat her down as she was walking. Then on it was my normal game, but i still felt the small adjustments paid off.

It was just shocking how your game becomes instantly weak, passive and boring in their presence.

But to be fair those girls were young, in a party destination, and the guys were a big group. Plus i had a huge language barrier.

Still though, the guys looked like the kind of guys who had never left theur moms basement and to see them groping model hotties, you cant help but tip your hat.

[Vinny]

(07-15-2016 07:42 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

I find that Russian women respond well to Direct style. This holds true for the approach and also on a date.

Let your intentions be known

Lead the interaction

Pay for the date. If she offers to pay, move on to someone else. She isn't interested.

My experience now in Russia is that everything can be determined by the eye contact.

Some aspects of western style game work well: humor, banter, and a little bit of teasing. Ultimately, you can be much more direct than with Western women. I find simple expressions of interest work well.

I agree on the direct approach. I almost never open indirectly in Ukraine or Russia. I tried it few times but it seems weak and brings less results.

About paying on the date, not 100% so. Maybe it is different for me as I speak fluent Russian. But I ended up banging most of the girls who paid their half, or tried hard to do so (I normally resist it quite hard when a girl tries to pay).
Last trip in Ukraine my only SNL girl that trip from Fashion club, never allowed me to pay for her, no matter how hard I tried. And I still banged her in 3-4 hours after I met her. We met for lunch in few days, and she again resisted me paying the full bill.

@Vronski. What you say in your post is a general recipe for success. And I think not only in Slavic countries.

[Vronski]

^^^^^^^

Well Vinny, IMO you had a quite unusual experience. In the FSU, men are expected to call the shots, period. If you are out with one of these young successful, good looking babes and she offers to pay for her own drinks, then sex is probably not on the menu. She just wants to "be friends.

[Rocha]

^^^ In Fashion Club I assume the girl is from Lviv. Never been myself, but believe that there is another kind of mentality on zapad Ukraina, I have met some girls from that part of the country in Kiev and all of them seemed to try hard to have a a western european attitude.

[Vinny]

@Vronski: A situation when girl is being persistent enough to pay for herself is a rare case scenario. This on is recent and still vivid in my memory. It is hardly a trend, but it does happen.

@Rocha: I have been both to Russia and Ukraine many times. I have also been all over the world so I can compare. As a Russian speaker and having access to Russian culture I must say that Ukrainians and Russians are too similar. Pretty much same people mentally and even genetically.
http://languagesoftheworld.info/wp-conte...y_map1.jpg
There are no nations closer to each other. I know you have access to all this information as you speak Russian too. So you must realize that the reason it is not the same country is clearly political.
There might be some difference between a Russian girl and a Western Ukrainian girl, which is so Ukrainian she does not even speak Russian. But this girl spoke Russian, and thus falls into same category.
Yes Fashion club in Lvov.

[Rocha]

(07-29-2016 06:23 PM)Vinny Wrote:  

@Vronski: A situation when girl is being persistent enough to pay for herself is a rare case scenario. This on is recent and still vivid in my memory. It is hardly a trend, but it does happen.

@Rocha: I have been both to Russia and Ukraine many times. I have also been all over the world so I can compare. As a Russian speaker and having access to Russian culture I must say that Ukrainians and Russians are too similar. Pretty much same people mentally and even genetically.
http://languagesoftheworld.info/wp-conte...y_map1.jpg
There are no nations closer to each other. I know you have access to all this information as you speak Russian too. So you must realize that the reason it is not the same country is clearly political.
There might be some difference between a Russian girl and a Western Ukrainian girl, which is so Ukrainian she does not even speak Russian. But this girl spoke Russian, and thus falls into same category.
Yes Fashion club in Lvov.

Not trying to make a case whether they are similar or not genetically, culturally and mentally, just my experience speaking, and I found some differences between West and East. Once I dumped a chick from Lviv in the middle of a date after she interfered in my negotiation with the taxi driver, because she was saying I was beeing stingy and should accept the 100 grvn fare, that is something only a girl from western Ukraine would do. I know for good experience that never and never a girl from Kharkov, Donetsk, Krivyi Rih, Sumy etc., would say something like this.
And more I say is that when I barely spoke russian many girls interceded agressively with the drivers for trying to rip me off for beeing a foreigner, they respect a man who respects money (though I had girls from there saying I was stingy with the tips...It was a bad habit I had, in Portugal no one tips.).

Only eastern girl who payed a tab with me was from Sumy and it was totally unexpected, since I walked to the toillet and when I returned she had already done it (old plate). Up until now, only western ukranian girls suggested or insisted to pay or split the tab.

But I aint Ukrainski devushka and would pay you a dinner too ))

Note: I believe that this kind of behaviour from Western Ukranians started to occur post Maidan to show off to foreigners (specially EU citizens like myself) how westernized and similar they are.

[Vinny]

(07-29-2016 06:50 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(07-29-2016 06:23 PM)Vinny Wrote:  

@Vronski: A situation when girl is being persistent enough to pay for herself is a rare case scenario. This on is recent and still vivid in my memory. It is hardly a trend, but it does happen.

@Rocha: I have been both to Russia and Ukraine many times. I have also been all over the world so I can compare. As a Russian speaker and having access to Russian culture I must say that Ukrainians and Russians are too similar. Pretty much same people mentally and even genetically.
http://languagesoftheworld.info/wp-conte...y_map1.jpg
There are no nations closer to each other. I know you have access to all this information as you speak Russian too. So you must realize that the reason it is not the same country is clearly political.
There might be some difference between a Russian girl and a Western Ukrainian girl, which is so Ukrainian she does not even speak Russian. But this girl spoke Russian, and thus falls into same category.
Yes Fashion club in Lvov.

Not trying to make a case whether they are similar or not genetically, culturally and mentally, just my experience speaking, and I found some differences between West and East. Once I dumped a chick from Lviv in the middle of a date after she interfered in my negotiation with the taxi driver, because she was saying I was beeing stingy and should accept the 100 grvn fare, that is something only a girl from western Ukraine would do. I know for good experience that never and never a girl from Kharkov, Donetsk, Krivyi Rih, Sumy etc., would say something like this.
And more I say is that when I barely spoke russian many girls interceded agressively with the drivers for trying to rip me off for beeing a foreigner, they respect a man who respects money (though I had girls from there saying I was stingy with the tips...It was a bad habit I had, in Portugal no one tips.).

Only eastern girl who payed a tab with me was from Sumy and it was totally unexpected, since I walked to the toillet and when I returned she had already done it (old plate). Up until now, only western ukranian girls suggested or insisted to pay or split the tab.

But I aint Ukrainski devushka and would pay you a dinner too ))

Note: I believe that this kind of behaviour from Western Ukranians started to occur post Maidan to show off to foreigners (specially EU citizens like myself) how westernized and similar they are.

Sure there is a difference between Russian speaking and Ukrainian speaking Ukrainians. Both types are highly bangable, but I guess I would prefer Eastern Ukrainian for an LTR.
Haha. I would definitely buy you a drink too ) We shall have another Borjomi party some day. That reminded me that I need to update my rep point for you.
What these girls don't realize is that you are highly Easternized Westerner )

[Dantes]

(07-29-2016 04:02 PM)Vronski Wrote:  

^^^^^^^

Well Vinny, IMO you had a quite unusual experience. In the FSU, men are expected to call the shots, period. If you are out with one of these young successful, good looking babes and she offers to pay for her own drinks, then sex is probably not on the menu. She just wants to "be friends.

I have had the same experience in Russia and Ukraine. Although this is not that usual compared to other places, as I am older and date younger women. This comes with the territory being 15 pus years older. I will take this any day over dating someone my own age and going dutch.

[whoishe]

(07-29-2016 04:02 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

^^^ In Fashion Club I assume the girl is from Lviv. Never been myself, but believe that there is another kind of mentality on zapad Ukraina, I have met some girls from that part of the country in Kiev and all of them seemed to try hard to have a a western european attitude.

(07-29-2016 06:50 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Note: I believe that this kind of behaviour from Western Ukranians started to occur post Maidan to show off to foreigners (specially EU citizens like myself) how westernized and similar they are.

I don't remember disagreeing with you before on Ukrainian stuff and I don't have a reason to not believe you on 1st paragraph... but 2nd one really seems like a stretch to me.

I am yet to meet this rapidly westernized girls in Western Ukraine among standard 6-8 group. Maybe it's because I only meet girls through social circle, maybe not, not sure.

Based on what local guys tells me there - Western Ukraine girls are less attractive on average comparing to their Eastern sisters (which confirms what was written many times here), but they are better candidates on average for LTR. Difficult to see it in case western mentality would be icnreasing among them significantly more than in other part of Ukraine.

(07-29-2016 06:50 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Not trying to make a case whether they are similar or not genetically, culturally and mentally, just my experience speaking, and I found some differences between West and East. Once I dumped a chick from Lviv in the middle of a date after she interfered in my negotiation with the taxi driver, because she was saying I was beeing stingy and should accept the 100 grvn fare, that is something only a girl from western Ukraine would do.

And this one just sounds bizarre in a funny way, even if it's even a bigger stretch than before. The only time I was being accused of being stingy in Lviv was done by babushka selling flowers because I didn't want to buy many more of them (or just full collection)

And no, I don't throw away cash left and right when going out.

[Rocha]

(07-30-2016 06:11 PM)whoishe Wrote:  

(07-29-2016 04:02 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

^^^ In Fashion Club I assume the girl is from Lviv. Never been myself, but believe that there is another kind of mentality on zapad Ukraina, I have met some girls from that part of the country in Kiev and all of them seemed to try hard to have a a western european attitude.

(07-29-2016 06:50 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Note: I believe that this kind of behaviour from Western Ukranians started to occur post Maidan to show off to foreigners (specially EU citizens like myself) how westernized and similar they are.

I don't remember disagreeing with you before on Ukrainian stuff and I don't have a reason to not believe you on 1st paragraph... but 2nd one really seems like a stretch to me.

I am yet to meet this rapidly westernized girls in Western Ukraine among standard 6-8 group. Maybe it's because I only meet girls through social circle, maybe not, not sure.

Based on what local guys tells me there - Western Ukraine girls are less attractive on average comparing to their Eastern sisters (which confirms what was written many times here), but they are better candidates on average for LTR. Difficult to see it in case western mentality would be icnreasing among them significantly more than in other part of Ukraine.

(07-29-2016 06:50 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Not trying to make a case whether they are similar or not genetically, culturally and mentally, just my experience speaking, and I found some differences between West and East. Once I dumped a chick from Lviv in the middle of a date after she interfered in my negotiation with the taxi driver, because she was saying I was beeing stingy and should accept the 100 grvn fare, that is something only a girl from western Ukraine would do.

And this one just sounds bizarre in a funny way, even if it's even a bigger stretch than before. The only time I was being accused of being stingy in Lviv was done by babushka selling flowers because I didn't want to buy many more of them (or just full collection)

And no, I don't throw away cash left and right when going out.

Also do not remember disagreeing with you))

First let me just reeinforce two points:

- I speak only and only from my personal experience
- Never been to western Ukraine

Now, in the first quote what I said (or meant to say) is not that they are westernizing in the sense people speak in here, eg. tattoos, career's, flaking, carrousel- riding, sjw...etc. But I observed some behaviours that are more present in matriarchal societies where there is more equality in men vs. women relations, this may be due to the large presence of the Catholic church (Greek rite), as opposed to the east where the rule is orthodox or atheist. Though I have to go there to check it out, and make some better constructed observations.

In the second quote, yes, I believe that Western Ukranians try hard to pass by more "european" or westernized as their eastern countryman (no wonder the Donbass conflict). They where the major fools/tools behind the revolution, but this is my political perspective and will not elaborate here due to fear of derailing this thread.

On the third quote, I did not said (or meant to) that eastern girls make better LTR's or are less money oriented. I meant to say that know better their place when a man is doing business or whatever thing with a third party. That does not mean an eastern girl will not try to milk you later )) but she will milk a guy on her behalf, not for some shady taxi driver, just because he is ukranian and you are a "stingy" foreigner.

Edit: Up until now, only western ukrainian girls insisted on speaking in english language with me.

[whoishe]

Oh well, I disagree with 3rd paragraph for sure. You would have to give me example on 1st one to understand it better. I guess it will be possible after your visit to Lviv/Western Ukraine.

And I don't want to talk politics either, so will skip #2.

Enjoy the night... wherever you are at the moment.

[PeruLover12]

'The Russian Promise'

On a recent month long trip to Russia myself and my friend coined a term for when attractive Russian girls promise something, it's called a Russian promise which is actually no promise at all. At the time when a hot Russian girl promises something ( i.e a date, to call, a visit to your home ) she absolutely means it wholeheartedly. However it is soon forgotten as her whims and moods change with the breeze and no apology is offered. We had this so many times that it became a comical game of who can fall victim to the most Russian promises. Some examples that had us both laughing at the absurdity of Russian promises:

Two girls we met and double dated in Siberia who insisted they wanted to drive us to the Altai Republic for the weekend. They suggested the idea, told us how much fun it would be and described the shenanigans we would get up to at the hotel. The next day, the day of departure, my girl called and we had a chat about random things, what we would do later in the week. Not once did she mention the trip to the mountains we were meant to be departing on that evening. I did not mention it either knowing by then that Russian Promises are fickle and there is no point even mentioning them to the girl.

Walking past a bar my friend and I met two girls smoking. It was midnight. Within minutes we were making out with these two students. We had a double date to go on with two other students we had met earlier in the day so said we had to go. The students begged us not to go and told us to return quickly as they would wait for us in the bar and party with us for the night. We went to our dates in a park around the corner and decided to make our excuses and bail since the girls we had just met and made out with were extremely keen and in a sexual mood. We rushed back to the bar ( we were gone 15 mins in total ) and met the two girls who proceeded to ignore us and behave as though they had never seen us before. At one point one of the girls said to met friend 'stop following me'. This was a girl who 15 minutes earlier had been making out with him and begged him to return. That was a good one.

The best one however was in Transdniester a couple weeks ago. We met two very attractive sisters on a bench by the river Dniester. Approached and they offered to show us their city. We hung out for hours, had drinks, laughed together, met some of their relatives, took Instagram photos together, all was great. At 11pm my girl says to me 'would you and your friend like to come to our apartment and see my dog?' I turn to my friend and translate what was going down. I told the girls that I just wanted to return to my room and change my clothes ( had been on a sweaty bus ride from Odessa ). They say they will wait on a bench outside the hotel. We both went up to the room and change and when we return 10 minutes later they had both gone! No text message explaining or anything. We turned to each other, laughed and with a resigned shrug said in unison 'Russian Promise'.

Theses were all 8s, less attractive girls are of course better behaved. The way to avoid falling victim to a Russian promise is to not allow any separation between you and your girl. So don't let her out of your sight for ten minutes to change etc. Mistake learnt.

'An Honor'

Another thing you have to get into your head with highly attractive Slavic girls is that they consider their presence is a gift and you should be highly grateful for it. So when you invite a girl for drinks and she orders Kalyan and a Caesar without asking, you should in no way be upset. Quite the contrary, you should be grateful because she has deemed you worthy of smoking Kalyan with. She has brought her beauty and you should be honoured. When at the end of the date where she offered nothing in terms of conversation she does not thank you for the date or the money you spent, don't be annoyed, she would not understand and after all she thanked you with her presence already. You owe her in her mind! To give a highly attractive girl flowers or a gift is not an honour for her in her mind but rather an honour for you. She has accepted your token, which you will now be forced to carry ( a highly attractive girl won't carry flowers or anything except her Chanel bag and pink I-phone 6s plus ) and you should feel proud to carry those flowers beside her. She has deemed you worthy. When you have married her and bought her a Range Rover to drive around town in do not expect gratefulness. She has given you the biggest honour by allowing you to marry her and spend all your money on her.

Good Date / Bad Date

On our FSU travels after breaking down our dates my mate and I saw a pattern emerging that was happening so often that it could not be anything other than a rule.

Every time we returned from a date saying 'it was fun, we talked for hours about things, she was fun, we had a great time and had a make out' we hardly heard from those girls again or it was a struggle to meet them a second time. However whenever we returned and said 'fuck it was boring, she just sat there saying little. After 30 minutes I wanted to bail, there was no chemistry' the girl would write an sms saying 'thanks for a great time, hope we meet again'. It was perplexing. Sometimes on double dates where girls would be laughing we would have to tell each other to tone it down as the girls were having too much fun and that would mean only one thing. No follow up. The funniest one was in Siberia. I went on a date with an 8. She was so boring and self obsessed that despite it being my last night in town I made an excuse and bailed on her after 2 hours. Did not even want to make out with her as I was so utterly turned off by her lack of intelligence and depth. An hour later in my hotel room I received a text message from her saying that she thought that we had great chemistry together and that we were going to make a great couple! WTF. The terrible date rule had struck again. My friend had earlier in the week been on a date with a girl which he said was terrible, one word answers, boring, zero chemistry. He laughed as he recounted the terrible date. On his last night in town he was in a bar and the girl saw him, ran up and hugged him and told him how much she had missed him and wanted to hang out with him again. The Bad date / Good date rule in full effect.

Russia is epic.

[Cambodian Creamsicle]

Terrible dates are standard in the FSU. I had a weird one today. Took a girl for a walk on the river. She was dressed sexy in a see-through top a short tight shorts. She sexualized the convo talking about her perversions, so within minutes I started making out with her. She told me was married to a guy in Belgium but because she's living in Belarus she's free to do as she wishes. She said she was seeing an osteopath that recommended an hour of sex per day so I invited her up to my apartment. She was on the edge of accepting but said she needed to think about it.

We parted ways and within an hour of doing so she had sent me a pic of her in a changing room in this skin tight little dress. I said I see you don't like panties. Haven't heard from her since. Radio silent.

Had a similar experience with flowers. Broad tells me it's her birthday and she wants flowers. I show with nice flowers at the restaurant and she doesn't even look at them or say thank you. I was thinking, why the fuck did I even bring these?

[thomasthewise]

Good date, bad date, here is my view
While you are on the date, have the thought run through your mind, constantly, about how you are not enjoying the date and you cannot wait to leave.
No matter what you say or do, this subliminal message will get through and the girl will want to see you again.
Works every time.

[Constitution45]

Dates with Russian girls or in general Russian dating, is always a strange one. Beautiful girls will show incredible interest but then flake from then on, a month later you see that she is posting romantic photos of her with a guy that could easily pass as MGTOW incel back in the West.

Some girls will want to have sex on the first or second dates, other ones though you will have to see continuously for up to two or three weeks. I would strongly advise those on this forum to stay away from girls that want something from you. I am aware of the whole hypergamy rule and that women always do want something from you in the long run. But the Russian gold digger types are efficient predators.

Back in the days of the Tsars, the royal family would offer their attractive daughters to gain political leverage over opponents or allies. Sometimes that hasn't changed, even for young lads like myself and Liguarian, we need to be very careful because some girls will just see us as business and an opportunity for leaving the country. Those girls with such a mentality are the worst types that you could bring back to countries like the U.K or the U.S, because you are essentially taking them back to 'beta' paradise if you will. It's like letting go of a fox into a chicken farm.

I've only ever encountered this once, but I knew a Canadian guy who got particularly burnt while he was living in Russia, by falling into this trap. The emphasis on money in Russia is a lot stronger than it is back in the West, and I've seen that the women tend to be more dynamic and machiavellian than the men when it comes to getting what they want. Yes of course, all women biologically expect an alpha provider type and there is nothing wrong with that it is just nature.

But there is a sport among a type of Russian girls to use men for money. Of course you get this everywhere, but I think Russian girls are a lot better at this game than their Western comrades. Mainly because Western guys are completely oblivious to their own value and how games like this work. Russian guys are far more 'red pill in that sense.

That said, you can usually sniff them out after a few dates, although it can be difficult to discriminate as it is an expected custom to pay for girls on dates and to be honest I don't have a problem with it as long as the girl shows appreciation and shows up looking her best, which they usually do in one way or the other.

Overwhelming that said though, most girls you will date in Russia are genuinely decent, even if they can be a flaky, I was mostly satisfied. Moscow in itself is a powerful city, and you feel like a man living there especially if you have some sort of direct goal or ambition in the city. Taking a beautiful girl out to the town on a Friday or Saturday night just amplifies that feeling. I remember showing my friend around Moscow with two girls that we met the night before. Although I know the city better than they do, I still let them take the lead to show us around the parks at night, there was something memorable about it.

[Vinny]

(08-04-2016 04:34 PM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  

Terrible dates are standard in the FSU. I had a weird one today. Took a girl for a walk on the river. She was dressed sexy in a see-through top a short tight shorts. She sexualized the convo talking about her perversions, so within minutes I started making out with her. She told me was married to a guy in Belgium but because she's living in Belarus she's free to do as she wishes. She said she was seeing an osteopath that recommended an hour of sex per day so I invited her up to my apartment. She was on the edge of accepting but said she needed to think about it.

We parted ways and within an hour of doing so she had sent me a pic of her in a changing room in this skin tight little dress. I said I see you don't like panties. Haven't heard from her since. Radio silent.

Had a similar experience with flowers. Broad tells me it's her birthday and she wants flowers. I show with nice flowers at the restaurant and she doesn't even look at them or say thank you. I was thinking, why the fuck did I even bring these?

Sucks when this happens, when you get so close and then it does not work without any reason.

The part about flowers, I think you had to find your way out of it and not buy the flowers. Come up with excuse, or give her something else. A box of chocolates for example.

I find it that denying these girls something is better than straight out doing what they ask for.

Anyways did you bang her in the end? Or did she take your satisfaction of her request as a weakness?

[Guayacan]

How effective is "russian game" outside of russia? I mean the average russian players and not the ones who study it.

[Rocha]

(08-15-2016 08:19 PM)Guayacan Wrote:  

How effective is "russian game" outside of russia? I mean the average russian players and not the ones who study it.

I think it works worldwide. I define Russian game very succinctly has being a "brutal gentleman", a guy who can open the car doors, pick up her bags, help her dress the winter fur coat, but at the same time can smack her face for some stupid comment, or at least she knows he is capable of doing that in case she misbehaves. Think about Sean Connery's 007.

[XXL]

My observations:

Persistence is expected. That one kind of made me think twice about whole game in general. Usually I see it as being too pushy but with those girls it's all fine. The way I push it makes me cringe inside but since I can see that not only it doesn't repel them but it actually works to my advantage I ignore that feeling in my stomach and persist, but still in smart way. Very interesting.

Sexual tension is built through resistance, not flirting. Learned it from Hooligan Harry here. It's true. Instead of talking your way into her pants you just step up to her and deal with resistance that will come. It's expected, but it's fine cause once you stay with that tension and push through it and she stays with you then you're good. Very enlightening to be honest, usually I avoided too much of that risky tension. But with them you have to cut a lot of unnecessary pleasantries and get to the point. I changed my demeanor to more, let's say, "raw", it's much better.

High standards about men. I couldn't tell at first, I only found out about it in those overnight conversations. They really fucking HATE weak men. It's funny cause I could see them mingling with some guys so I thought that is my competition. Nope. They were just tolerating them with a total disgust inside. Even though the guy might perfectly normal it's might be not enough. You have to be strong in every way, the way you talk to her, the way you take her hand, the way you act in general. It's actually good self development trick cause as we all know men pose as tough guys when they're with women, so when you are with those women you will really have to give your best on a regular basis, especially when this is your GF, so just by the constant repetition of certain behaviors you might change for the better. Just a thought.

Being commanding works well. This is sweet. Being direct about your intentions, telling her what's up, what you want, what you want from her, how you see her, where you're going, what you expect of her, etc, They feel flattered and safe with you. Many times I thought I overdid it but no I didn't. Made me think a bit how much direct I can be.

[JeanJaq]

How Russian guys do it? Maybe like this guy here: youtube.com/watch?v=UwxTUXB8peI
Just kidding )))

[Agreddor]

(08-15-2016 08:59 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 08:19 PM)Guayacan Wrote:  

How effective is "russian game" outside of russia? I mean the average russian players and not the ones who study it.

I think it works worldwide. I define Russian game very succinctly has being a "brutal gentleman", a guy who can open the car doors, pick up her bags, help her dress the winter fur coat, but at the same time can smack her face for some stupid comment, or at least she knows he is capable of doing that in case she misbehaves. Think about Sean Connery's 007.

While I do agree with you on this, I am vehemently against holding her handbag. Her shopping bags are fine, but not her purse.

[Beirut]

Today: i open 3 russian girls, they dismiss me. They later reopen me.

I talk with one a lot, shes married but here alone.

Its going extremely well. Both our phones batteries die. I ask for papers and we write our info. I go back home and turns out she gave me both a fake number and fake facebook name.

Im pissed as hell as this was the first 9 i met this trip.

I remember this thread, and her work instagram that she showed me. Msg her there, she responds. I spend next 2 hours just plowing on about seeing her tonight. She finally says yes and gives me her number.

If she shows up im buying everyone here a drink.