[hjs766]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-18/me...in/6705274

1. Melbourne
2. Vienna
3. Vancouver
4. Toronto
5. Adelaide

Considering all that's happened recently, this list can only really reflect how progressive and liveable it is to the minorities, not the heterosexual male. Note Number 4 (lol).

[Merenguero]

(08-17-2015 11:40 PM)hjs766 Wrote:  

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-18/me...in/6705274

1. Melbourne
2. Vienna
3. Vancouver
4. Toronto
5. Adelaide

Considering all that's happened recently, this list can only really reflect how progressive and liveable it is to the minorities, not the heterosexual male. Note Number 4 (lol).

I think this list was compiled by the same bollockses who have put D.C. at the number one city for singles for multiple years.

[eradicator]

(08-18-2015 12:08 AM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 11:40 PM)hjs766 Wrote:  

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-18/me...in/6705274

1. Melbourne
2. Vienna
3. Vancouver
4. Toronto
5. Adelaide

Considering all that's happened recently, this list can only really reflect how progressive and liveable it is to the minorities, not the heterosexual male. Note Number 4 (lol).

I think this list was compiled by the same bollockses who have put D.C. at the number one city for singles for multiple years.

I guess maybe they mean DC is great for single women? When a low value (fat) woman can date a high value man without too much trouble?

[Merenguero]

(08-18-2015 12:10 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 12:08 AM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 11:40 PM)hjs766 Wrote:  

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-18/me...in/6705274

1. Melbourne
2. Vienna
3. Vancouver
4. Toronto
5. Adelaide

Considering all that's happened recently, this list can only really reflect how progressive and liveable it is to the minorities, not the heterosexual male. Note Number 4 (lol).

I think this list was compiled by the same bollockses who have put D.C. at the number one city for singles for multiple years.

I guess maybe they mean DC is great for single women? When a low value (fat) woman can date a high value man without too much trouble?

I don't think it's even that. The guys here are pretty much on the same level as the women. A lot of guys don't like to admit that.

[spalex]

These list come out every few weeks. They are always different. Always bullshit.


Most liveable according to who? The Australian guy who just got back from his first trip overseas to Austria and Canada?

[spalex]

I mean.... You would think the worlds most liveable city would at least have a train line to the airport.

[Phoenix]

(08-17-2015 11:40 PM)hjs766 Wrote:  

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-18/me...in/6705274

1. Melbourne
2. Vienna
3. Vancouver
4. Toronto
5. Adelaide

Considering all that's happened recently, this list can only really reflect how progressive and liveable it is to the minorities, not the heterosexual male. Note Number 4 (lol).

Yeah I think the age of "mainstream media" is going to slowly fade out, now the internet is so developed. They are just producing crap on the same level as a clickbate 'Top X ways to Y' article now.

I'm not sure how they can say this with a straight face. So did they factor in prices? Did they factor in freedoms? Did they even factor in the weather??. Strange I don't hear about dudes moving to retire in any of these cities .

Quote:

"Melbourne has the best of everything and this title proves it," Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said.

[beta_plus]

Vienna is somewhat believable, assuming rent there is at least somewhat within reason like a surprising amount of Germany and not out of control like the rest of NW Europe. Not to mention, you're within easy driving distance of many of the Poosy Paradises of Eastern Europe.

The others, LOL.

[Adrenaline]

This is obviously based on general standard of living and has nothing to do with excitement for the youth or game. I know for a fact that Australia is the best country in the world to settle down, have a family and live safely/comfortably so it comes as no surprise to see those 2 cities in the top 5 and 4 Australian cities in the top 10. In saying that, if you are 30+ and don't want that tied down lifestyle it's truly hell on earth.

Conclusion- The list doesn't even belong on this forum.

[CH-Toronto]

Toronto is very livable and safe - it's just not a very happy city to be in. A lot of hustle and bustle.

I compare it to living in a very safe prison where the warden is your mom.

[Roardog]

(08-17-2015 11:40 PM)hjs766 Wrote:  

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-18/me...in/6705274

1. Melbourne
2. Vienna
3. Vancouver
4. Toronto
5. Adelaide

Considering all that's happened recently, this list can only really reflect how progressive and liveable it is to the minorities, not the heterosexual male. Note Number 4 (lol).

I've lived in a number of cities and been to many countries all over the world and I can easily see why Melbourne tops this list consistently.
While it's certainly lacking a few things including natural beauty, in terms of a place to raise a family in safety, security and a great standard of living, you can't beat it.

However for a sub 35 single white male, there are many better places.

[Kulli60]

This list doesn't compare how happy the People are

Vienna was the last 4 years on the top I guess, but anyway the People are mainly unhappy and have Problems with the lifes.

The summer is usually very short and the winter very cold (however this year was a very very hot summer here).

So I wouldnt compare this for gaming or happiness...

[worldtraveler3]

Liveable for who?

early 20 year old single guy who likes to party? (but not having much disposable income)

or mid 30s year old guy who would like to raise a family? (already got a stable job)

Someone who is lower working class living on subsidised council housing ? or upper middle class living in a nice house in the suburbs with a mortgage?

[Bad Hussar]

Thee kinds of lists are complete nonsense. I don't know why the Economist continues to publish this one every year.

While any particular person can obviously have their own opinion on which city is most livable, the "data" loses any usefulness the more it is averaged out. In large data sets there is nearly nothing of value for individual readers of The Economist. It's a pet peeve of mine. "Big Data" is useful in certain limited contexts. To be used by Central Banks say. But when it comes to individual decision making the value plummets.

[Laner]

I have lived in two of those cities, and been to all of them. This list obviously does not take any one view into account (male, hetero, sub 40yo) as much as it would a whole basket of views.

To me Vancouver is on the top of the list for a reason, and I have yet to find a better city that suits my needs. I lived in Melbourne as well, and while I love the city I had a hell of a time in regards to decent women; Adelaide was better.

I have written about my love for Vienna many times, and would be my place in Europe for a long haul. It has drawbacks, but I think they could be overcome or overlooked over time.

Toronto has always been good to me, but I do not find it livable for many reasons and would likely never move there, even for significant money.

Our lists should be different than mainstream ones. We are content living on the edge of significant danger for our priorities. Its what makes our lifestyles so alluring to people like us, and so odd to many others looking in. Having priorities like access to nature crosses most demographics, but being able to walk out my front door and see 5 beautiful women in less than a minute is quite niche. Nonetheless it is on my short list along with access to other entrepreneurs due to lack of heavy corporate influence (and the magnet this structure becomes for more successful outlying businesses).

Some of my list shares with the mainstream though, and I would never give up my walking city, my access to education, health care, community, high quality fresh food, clean natural environment, low crime and high quality housing.

[Que enspastic]

I'm from Melbourne but left in 2013.


Not a place for single men but standard of living is high across the board. Gap between rich and poor is small. It's cushy.


It's not Bangkok where you have 5 star hotels one after the other and Lamborghini races along the freeway under which are slums of illiterate children and rabid dogs.


It's not London where you have plutocrats and oligarchs feasting on caviar in Chelsea vs. impoverished Somalian immigrants living in a mould ridden council estate earning less than minimum wage.


Or San Francisco with its extremely well paid white collar Silicon Valley tech workers passing lines of homeless men across the city in their private company buses.


No, everyone in Melbourne is fairly well off. It is a baller's hell and a battler's paradise. It is middle class heaven. Bottle service never took off.


The median salary is maybe $60,000. Free health care, high minimum wage, good public education and relatively affordable private schools, access to decent universities at relatively low cost vs UK/USA, low unemployment, low crime and corruption. None of this equals pussy but does lend itself to a high standard of living.


Low skilled workers earn good money. I used to work in a supermarket stacking shelves for $23 AUD per hour as a student and $31 AUD on Sundays. I could afford to eat out most places comfortably. I went to the best clubs, I ate quality fresh produce from the market, I travelled overseas annually. I rented a room within 1km of the CBD. I had a huge social life as a result.


This lifestyle is very far from typical for supermarket workers in most countries, especially UK/USA. It's jarring the contrast, they simply exist, their lives are depressing and endlessly shit.


People in Melbourne live in big houses. I would say x 2-3 times bigger than what I've seen in the UK / Europe.


Almost every one of my old Melbourne school friends or uni mates has done trips to Europe / South America / Asia at least twice, some more. $5k holidays are standard, and $10-20k holidays that go on for months are normal for those in their 20s.


Melburnians are generally well read with v high standards in food and coffee. They have huge parks dotted around the city.


Sport is open to the masses. In the UK tennis is an elitist and very expensive sport to play. I used to play on the Australian Open courts for hire at $35 and free when I played for my school as a kid.


Liveable means very average people live very good lives by international standards. But if you are above average and ambitious, and particularly as a man in his 20s who likes slim attractive women, places like Melbourne are ones you want to escape.

[hjs766]

Excellent comment. Sort of alludes to the pervasiveness of 'tall poppy' syndrome in Australia. Where you're an outcast if you're noticeably better or more ambitious than the middle-class.

[StrikeBack]

Que enspastic Wrote:

Liveable means very average people live very good lives by international standards. But if you are above average and ambitious, and particularly as a man in his 20s who likes slim attractive women, places like Melbourne are ones you want to escape.

Captured my exact opinion on Melbourne and this list in 2 simple sentences.

[fokker]

Every time I hear Melbourne referred to as the most livable city, I add "for single white university-age women".

[Bon Scott]

I've lived all the world and Melbourne is a great city... but it's all subjective depending what you are into.

[Adrenaline]

(08-19-2015 01:55 AM)fokker Wrote:  

Every time I hear Melbourne referred to as the most livable city, I add "for single white university-age women".

Spot on...but I would go as far as saying for most women. Even 30-40 year old women will get attention if they're in decent shape because of the thirst.

Couples will also enjoy Melbourne for all the restaurants, sporting events, shopping options.

So yeah, basically anyone but single men.

[Cyclone]

(08-18-2015 11:14 AM)Laner Wrote:  

I have lived in two of those cities, and been to all of them.

To me Vancouver is on the top of the list for a reason, and I have yet to find a better city that suits my needs.

I'd like to hear an elaboration on this. Is Vancouver not cold, or boring? I imagine the women being awesome, but the population is not so high, plus imagined it full of hipsters. But if it's easy to pull via daygame that's the only reason i could think of Vancouver being decent.
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[Bad Hussar]

(08-19-2015 08:57 AM)Cyclone Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 11:14 AM)Laner Wrote:  

I have lived in two of those cities, and been to all of them.

To me Vancouver is on the top of the list for a reason, and I have yet to find a better city that suits my needs.

I'd like to hear an elaboration on this. Is Vancouver not cold, or boring? I imagine the women being awesome, but the population is not so high, plus imagined it full of hipsters. But if it's easy to pull via daygame that's the only reason i could think of Vancouver being decent.
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Women are not too bad. Very rare to even see overweight women in the downtown core and West Side. I used to live downtown and would joke that cruise season was the only time I'd see fat women. With all the tourists around Canada Place pier. Lot's of East Asian's, so if that's your thing...

It's a very outdoor oriented city. The women are into Lululemon (Origin and HQ in Vancouver) hiking, biking skiing etc. If you're not into this lifestyle you will probably have a hard time.

Is very wet in the Winter. You can have stretches of a month were it rains at least a bit every one of those days. But rain in Vancouver means snow at the top of the North Shore mountains and, more importantly, at Whistler. But if you're not into Winter sports you will probably hate Winter. You get a decent number of nice days in Summer.

[Mentavious]

I can't believe how other countries give workers 1.5x pay just for working on a Sunday. I would love to see that in the U.S.

[Que enspastic]

You get double pay after 8pm Sunday. I earned $150 AUD for 4 hours between 8-midnight as a student. Meanwhile you're not allowed to work more than a few hours in the UK on a Sunday because it's supposedly 'unfair on the workers' and their base pay is under 7 GBP which is nothing.