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Feeling more alpha and being more successful with women when abroad
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Feeling more alpha and being more successful with women when abroad

Quote: (07-10-2015 04:38 PM)Lumbre Wrote:  

I am a 26 year old male from Yorkshire (UK) and have lived here in my hometown for most of my life. However, I have also been fortunate enough to have lived abroad for a few years in my early adulthood.

As many of you will already know, British broads rightfully hold a highly negative reputation internationally. Quite frankly, they are disgustingly awful and I am wholly convinced that they could very well be the worst female collective on the entire planet.

Not only are they physically plain and lacking in esthetic charm, the great majority of British girls of my generation are unbelievably unfriendly, notoriously cold-hearted and downright nasty. To put it bluntly, they are just umbearable. They display a strong sense of entitlement and show zero respect for the humanity of men. They are particularly unfeminine and most of them suffer from alcoholism to some degree. British chicks have to be the most uncultured in Europe. Their conversations are so mundane and boring. Most of them don't seem to have interest in anything other than mindless binge-drinking and stupid reality TV shows. And don't forget that this country has one of the highest obesity rates in the world.

I have not slept with a local girl since I was 15. All of my girlfriends since have been foreign women. I often say jokingly that the only attractive girls in the UK are young enough to land me in jail because after highschool most British bitches start to live a reckless lifestyle and sooner or later (but usually sooner) the years of unbridled alcohol consumption and drug abuse begin to take their toll. Only a decade has elapsed since highschool graduation and many girls I knew have aged hideously.

This culture is so aristocidal and nihilistic. British broads don't care about your personal achievements or your cultivation of virtues. Britain's sickly society looks down on excellence and embraces mediocrity. British broads are utterly solipsistic and are wholly incapable of understanding anything outside of their immediate bubble of drunken idiocy. I find it almost impossible to connect with them in social settings.

I saw British females for what they are when I was only 15 years of age. I have shunned them since. My friends used to laugh at me and tell me that I was crazy, but now the same guys come to me and tell me that I was right about the evil of Western women all along. I was way ahead of my time.

Fastforward some years and I find myself abroad. In my late teenage years I really work on my foreign language skills and my eyes are opened to several new cultures which span the sphere of the Earth! I discover that I am no longer that pathetic loser that I was made to believe I was and I begin to enjoy the company of much better females. I have a much better time with women in the faraway lands of Asia and Latin America and I am made to feel respected and loved as a man. I feel that those cultures bring out the most alpha traits inside me and I no longer feel inhibited by the negative climate of disgusting British society.

Back home, I speak about my experiences a lot. I tell my stories to other guys who are still caught up in the Blue Pill matrix of Western society. I have noticed that this seems to bring out the most vitriolic bitterness in Western feminist females and their mentally emasculated White Knights. When they hear that I can do much better for myself abroad, they almost always proceed to attack my person with a snide comment and insinuate that I have to go abroad to get laid because somehow I am not good enough to get a normal girlfriend here in the West. When I tell them in response that I don't like English girls and that I prefer foreign women for their superior feminine qualities, dumb feminists almost always flatly state that foreign girls only like me because they perceive me as wealthy and they want my money. They are just so cunt-hurt that a smart Western man knows that he has broader options and no longer needs to put up with their feminist bullshit.

All of what they say is total nonsense. Foreign girls didn't pretend to like me for my supposed fortune; they just gave me a chance, got to know me and saw my virtuous qualities. Western men are not importing foreign wives by the thousands because they are too weak to get a girlfriend of their own culture; they know that foreign females are vastly superior to the umbearable feminist trash of their own towns and so they decide to go where they have much better options. Your typical feminist or femi-washed male inhabits a dream world which couldn't be any further removed from reality. It seems to me that the real reason for which they are so vehemently opposed to men who date and marry foreign women is because deep down they fear the competition that these superior Asian and Latinamerican women bring to the arena and so they resort to yet another shaming tactic.

Has anyone else experienced this as deeply as I have? Please write your experiences.

Lumbre's description of UK women, however hyperbolic-sounding, really does hit the nail on the head. As a native 40-year old Brit, I've experienced all of those facets which the OP detailed: the solipsism and utterly shallow materialistic mindset of the overwhelming majority of UK women, whose interests seem to be wholly devoid of anything other than a concern for celebrity gossip and material goods and for whom a concern for ideas as such is wholly alien; their "cuntyness", for want of a better word - a generally toxic demeanour towards men which is fashioned from an admixture of aloofnees, distrust, disdain and haughty contempt; their plain to downright hog-like appearance in a large number of their kin ... the list really is almost endless and scarcely without a single redeeming feature.

Like Lumbre, it was not until I started to encounter foreign girls whilst at university that I was struck by the contrast with British women - not just in terms of their looks, but especially in terms of their more agreeable character and pleasant temperament. I noticed, for example, how the Italian and French girls that I would talk to were much more open to being approached and how the interaction was much more on the same eye-level and reciprocal in terms of conversational input, in the sense that I wasn't made to feel that the woman was doing me a favour by gracing me with a minimum of inane and puerile "banter", as would have been the case with nearly every British girl I approached and attempted to engage in conversation. Furthermore, these foreign girls would contribute interesting points to the conversation and would actively move it along by asking me questions in return - a form of verbal exchange that was starkly at odds with what I was observing around me with the British student girls, who would expect me to do all the rowing in the conversation and contribute little, if anything at all, other than infantile and snide asides. By way of an example to illustrate this contrast: a surprisingly large number of these foreign girls - mostly European - eyes lit up when I told them I was studying philosophy and some of them even mentioned that they had read some philosophers themselves and were interested in discussing what they'd read with me, even though they'd never formally studied the subject before. In contrast, not only did the English undergraduate females barely even understand the concept of philosophy, but their attitude towards the intellectual realm in general was one of scarcely concealed contempt, despite the fact that they were themselves students. I might add here that there is a pronounced streak of materialism and a concomitant anti-intellectualism that runs through modern British society that is very much at variance with societies that I've lived in in continental Europe, such as Germany. On mainstream British TV, you'll find the schedules are awash with programmes covering celebrity gossip, home improvement, gardening, antiques and, above all, sport - all concerned with the material, but not a single programme devoted to an exploration of ideas. On the continent, in France and Germany, I experienced the complete reverse of this to be the case, with programmes on literature, philosophy, the arts generally aplenty and with a much lower regard for crassly materialist topics. Needless to say, I had far more success with continental girls during my time at university than with the Anglo-American homegrown generic garbage and still continue to do so outside of university. For example, I have a profile on Match.com that is written wholly in German even though I'm based in north east England, so as to make clear that I wish nothing to do with British women.

Lastly, although Lumbre didn't address this, I would like to add that British women are extremely hypergamous (yes, all women are hypergamous to some degree or other but in the UK it has reached extreme proportions), such that even the 80-20 rule of 80% of the women only being interested in 20% of the men is too conservative an estimate for younger women, in my experience. The overwhelming majority of British women find 90% of men simply unattractive and, moreover, unworthy of their interest, such is their level of entitlement. In contrast, a woman from the continent, even if she is not immediately attracted to a man, will at least give him the time of day and behave in a civil manner towards him, unlike here in the UK, where a woman needs to get the tingles from the get-go in order for her to confer on the man in her presence that minimal degree of courtesy and respect that I would expect from most interactions with women from continental Europe. As a consequence of this, I very much believe that the number of guys in the UK who are locked out of their local dating market is higher than in continental Europe (or, for that matter, SE Asia/Latin America); in this respect, the UK really does seem to be mirroring the developments of the US in terms of having a hellish dating scene for most men. How long we will have to wait before our own home-grown George Sodinis and James Holmes make their appearance I cannot help but wonder, since the conditions for their emergence, unfortunately, are highly fertile on these shores.
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#27

Feeling more alpha and being more successful with women when abroad

I am astonished by the lengthy replies on this topic. OP - if you would spend half the time of complaining on actually get yourself familiar with 'game', I am sure the frustration will eventually decrease. Either move to a country where you will not run into these issues or adjust your game.

Keep in mind that the grass is always greener on the other side, because it's fertilized with bullshit. I would be surprised if I ever end up with a western girl again, but keep in mind that EE / SEA girls have their downsides as well.
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#28

Feeling more alpha and being more successful with women when abroad

So you say you'll be suprised if you ever end up with a western girl again, but then you tell OP in Yorkshire to quite complaining and learn game.. ok..

We're just talking about the differences in girls in different cultures, so why did the OP get banned and not the mangina white knighting for all british women, implying it's us that is the problem, not them and we should be ourselves or some bollocks like that.

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#29

Feeling more alpha and being more successful with women when abroad

EE girls have my preference, but I get along perfectly with western girls. If I were as annoyed about western girls as OP is, I would indeed move out or adjust my game. The first time I came to Warsaw I got shut down 15 times in a row, harshly. I could have blamed this on the stuck up girls, the increasing sex tourists, or even the bloody weather. Instead, I tried to understand their culture and values to some extent. Guess what? I friggin love Warsaw now, especially the girls. It does not hurt to look for your own flaws before blaming it on somebody else, regardless of whether we are talking about women, jobs, or anything else. That's all.

I am not sure why OP got banned. That's not my call. I am sure Roosh had his reasons.
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Feeling more alpha and being more successful with women when abroad

Quote: (07-10-2015 04:38 PM)Lumbre Wrote:  

Back home, I speak about my experiences a lot. I tell my stories to other guys who are still caught up in the Blue Pill matrix of Western society. I have noticed that this seems to bring out the most vitriolic bitterness in Western feminist females and their mentally emasculated White Knights. When they hear that I can do much better for myself abroad, they almost always proceed to attack my person with a snide comment and insinuate that I have to go abroad to get laid because somehow I am not good enough to get a normal girlfriend here in the West. When I tell them in response that I don't like English girls and that I prefer foreign women for their superior feminine qualities, dumb feminists almost always flatly state that foreign girls only like me because they perceive me as wealthy and they want my money. They are just so cunt-hurt that a smart Western man knows that he has broader options and no longer needs to put up with their feminist bullshit.

All of what they say is total nonsense. Foreign girls didn't pretend to like me for my supposed fortune; they just gave me a chance, got to know me and saw my virtuous qualities. Western men are not importing foreign wives by the thousands because they are too weak to get a girlfriend of their own culture; they know that foreign females are vastly superior to the umbearable feminist trash of their own towns and so they decide to go where they have much better options. Your typical feminist or femi-washed male inhabits a dream world which couldn't be any further removed from reality. It seems to me that the real reason for which they are so vehemently opposed to men who date and marry foreign women is because deep down they fear the competition that these superior Asian and Latinamerican women bring to the arena and so they resort to yet another shaming tactic.

I've had many of these conversations but I avoid them with western women unless I'm trolling them. There is no point. You will never change their opinion. They will either perceive you as a weak loser that can't get a western girl and they will attack you because women have an instinct to attack weakness in men especially weakness in regards to women. Or they will perceive you as a guy that could get a western girl (even if it isn't them) and they take it as if you are rejecting them personally so they attack you. It doesn't matter if the girl isn't attracted to you or has a boyfriend or husband. Girls desire being desired and they get their power over men through their sexual desirability so you are essentially calling them undesirable and taking their power away. They can't handle that kind of criticism and rejection so they resort to rationalizations and shaming.

I've had these conversations with blue pill guys with limited success. Some guys believe the narrative that only losers go for foreign women and usually it is the guys with the least success with women. It's mind boggling but it is probably a defense mechanism because they think you are suggesting they can't get a western girl, even if they know you and your friends mostly date foreign girls, hamster is going to hamster even with guys. I just tell these guys that foreign girls are more feminine, most are thin unlike 2/3 of western women, and there are a lot reasons why foreign women are attracted to western men. Examples - they view western men as exotic and interesting and attractive just as we view them, some cultures have an obsession with fair skin, tourist guys are good for flings and one night stands since they don't stay in town long, money can be a factor but certainly isn't anymore of a factor than it is with western women as many foreign girls are less hypergamous and just want someone who can take care of them and their future kids, and finally the reason that western women really love to hear which is because western guys are known for treating these women better and being more accommodating than the men in their countries which is a result of western men having dealt with bitchy western women all their lives. If that doesn't resonate with them then I tell them they should research obesity rates and divorce rates in western countries versus latin and asian countries and then change the subject. You can lead a horse to water but....
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Feeling more alpha and being more successful with women when abroad

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Feeling more alpha and being more successful with women when abroad

Quote: (07-10-2015 04:54 PM)Blunt Wrote:  

I don't bother telling my friends, family, or social circle about the girls abroad. I did when I first started travelling several years ago and you can immediately see the defensive cringe develop on their face. There really is no point.

By now anyone that knows me already knows that I prefer foreign girls. If one of my friends is genuinely interested I find that he will typically initiate a conversation about it when no one else is around. And those conversations can be fun. Otherwise you are wasting good stories on people that don't want to hear them.

This hits home for me. When you come home from your first big trip you expect everyone to be happy for your new discoveries. Much to my disappointment people often don't want to hear about how great such-and-such a place was. Especially about how much better the women are.
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Feeling more alpha and being more successful with women when abroad

I've given up on threads like this. How many times do established guys, who grew up in England need to repeatedly say, on every thread like this, that there's tons of quality middle class English girls (looks wise at the the very least) to be found if you know where to go and how to go about it. It makes me question the kind of person saying the negative stuff, and how/where they grew up to be honest.

No offence to guys like Que Enspastic, we're friendly off-forum, but he didn't grow up here and has only lived in the London kind of area - so for him to say certain cities are good, but then leave out places like Manchester and Leeds shows that. English guys, who grew up outside the Home Counties, who are established on here such as me, Benoit, Kieran, CrashBangWallop etc have said time and again that you can do well with good looking, friendly English girls if you're in the right place.

Some of the bitterness in this thread sounds like early red-pill exposure for the most part. I'm intrigued where some of the English guys on this thread live, as it sometimes seems that you live in some kind of living hell - which is very different to the England I know. Yeah, I preach that girls in Mainland Europe are better due to thinness and so on, but my main issue with the UK is the growing SJW-millennial shit, more than women these days. Though I admit I went through a kind of "I hate English girls" stage as well. And I don't deny that many English girls get fat and age badly post 25, for the most part.

I've said (as have those I mentioned) on numerous other threads that I could post loads of pictures of good looking, slim English girls - but don't due to obvious reasons due to privacy and so on. Whether they're super-feminine, well that's different - but if you're after good looks and a good laugh, then there's plenty of places in England for that. That said, I personally know a lot of girls who are very feminine considering the stereotype that English girls are all pit bulls. Again, like most things here in Britain - It's a class issue*. Edit: That goes both ways, Working Class girls may actually be more presentable in terms of face/body than certain Middle Class girls...when those middle class girls are the hyper-privileged-but-ugly types that become the annoying 3rd wave feminists we know and love. It's very difficult to put into words what I mean, maybe some other Brits can help me here. Off the top of my head, for every Anna Friel, there's a Laurie Penny. Anna Friel being much more working class than Laurie Penny...like I said, difficult.

*Feminists turned the class thing into a woman v man thing, when it was always only ever about rich v poor - but that's an argument for 'Everything Else'.

Finally, I agree with those above who said that's it's better to keep your opinions on foreign girls etc to yourself for the most part. Obviously they're better - but I'm just saying it's not the hell in England that many make it out to be.

For the record, the guys I know personally who do best with women do well with women in whatever country they're in. To the point that they probably wouldn't even consider, say Polish girls, to be better than English girls - because they get the best English girls. Needless to say, they're the guys who would never be on a forum like this - because they've always 'got it', if that makes sense.

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H L Mencken
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After reading Teedub's comment above, I should clarify my comment about having these conversations with blue pill guys. I don't suggest to these blue pill guys that they should only date foreign girls or move to another country. When I've had these conversations I've only suggested that the guys consider dating some different girls in their current location and I usually only do that when I know the guy hasn't been doing well or has had some bad experiences.
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As a reader from the U.S. I can say that I do very well with women here. I currently have no need (though the want is strong) to visit other countries for women. However, arbitrage is profitable for a reason. There are simply a larger number of quality attractive women relative to men outside the anglosphere. Leaving the anglosphere to find a better quality of woman is by far the most rational move for those that find themselves shut out of acceptable options. And to pre-empt those that would say this option is only for those who lack the will to improve their game, I say you are right but so what. If you subscribe to the truth of sexual market value you must admit that an individual seeking to maximize their returns while minimizing their effort is acting completely rationally.
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Meeting women abroad can be a fulfilling experience and can make you feel more desirable and alpha. Ironically, less alpha game is often needed than in the US for example.

I have seen too many guys give up working on game in their home country. Learning how to successfully approach, escalate and bed women in the trenches of the US will only make your game stronger abroad. A psychological killer for inner game is when a man's confidence is solely dependent on his experiences with women abroad. You need to hone your craft in your country and culture.
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#37

Feeling more alpha and being more successful with women when abroad

The way I felt in Serbia is next to none. I believe that Serbia may be the next pussy paradise
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Quote: (07-22-2015 03:47 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

Meeting women abroad can be a fulfilling experience and can make you feel more desirable and alpha. Ironically, less alpha game is often needed than in the US for example.

I have seen too many guys give up working on game in their home country. Learning how to successfully approach, escalate and bed women in the trenches of the US will only make your game stronger abroad. A psychological killer for inner game is when a man's confidence is solely dependent on his experiences with women abroad. You need to hone your craft in your country and culture.

I agree with you.

My main issue is that I avoid telling family/ friends I go abroad anymore to meet women as they automatically think it has to be P4P.
I can count on 1 hand how many times I had a girl offer pay for a dinner /drinks here in the "West" despite fact I have dated women who on occasion even make more money then me.
It's not much different outside the country except it's more likely I get laid outside my home country after dinner with less effort.
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I don't consider myself to be more successful abroad volume wise (Asia aside), although maybe I am more successful with sexier women when I travel. I still think that's indicative of the countries that I'm traveling to and not due to me being more of a badass/alpha in their eyes.

The US doesn't have as many thin women as Asia does. It doesn't have the asses of Colombia and Venezuela. It doesn't have the blondes of Norway.

The US has a whole bunch of (seemingly) entitled 5's and 6's that will spread their legs much more easily than women abroad will. That's reality, and something we have to deal with.

I see men every day without the necessary tools to succeed in the sexual marketplace. There are a lot of frustrated men on here and across the country, but their lack of success is their own fault. Men don't know how to improve themselves, and they think that the solution is getting wasted and wearing some Polo button-down shirt and drunk dancing with girls at the bars. That's not going to work, particularly when everyone else is wearing the same shirt and doing the same thing. It may work in the Philippines or Peru or wherever you have to compete with 5'2" men that are broke, but it won't fly where there are men working harder to stand out. Don't be an average man and expect the women to flock to you.

I don't think it's worth complaining over this. Either improve yourself or expatriate and reap the benefits/suffer the consequences.
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No point complaining, its the way it is. On the plus side British men are mostly favoured highly, pretty much everywhere in the world.
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Quote: (07-22-2015 03:38 PM)elcidcampeador Wrote:  

I don't consider myself to be more successful abroad volume wise (Asia aside), although maybe I am more successful with sexier women when I travel. I still think that's indicative of the countries that I'm traveling to and not due to me being more of a badass/alpha in their eyes.

The US doesn't have as many thin women as Asia does. It doesn't have the asses of Colombia and Venezuela. It doesn't have the blondes of Norway.

The US has a whole bunch of (seemingly) entitled 5's and 6's that will spread their legs much more easily than women abroad will. That's reality, and something we have to deal with.

I see men every day without the necessary tools to succeed in the sexual marketplace. There are a lot of frustrated men on here and across the country, but their lack of success is their own fault. Men don't know how to improve themselves, and they think that the solution is getting wasted and wearing some Polo button-down shirt and drunk dancing with girls at the bars. That's not going to work, particularly when everyone else is wearing the same shirt and doing the same thing. It may work in the Philippines or Peru or wherever you have to compete with 5'2" men that are broke, but it won't fly where there are men working harder to stand out. Don't be an average man and expect the women to flock to you.

I don't think it's worth complaining over this. Either improve yourself or expatriate and reap the benefits/suffer the consequences.

Sure, the question should always be on solutions rather than simply stating problems, but I would say that the increasingly high degree of difficulty an average man encounters trying to get laid in the West, and in the Anglosphere in particular, is not normal in comparison to the rest of the world, where the price of pussy has not undergone such an insane level of inflation. In fact, even 15-20 years ago in the Anglosphere, it was nowhere near as difficult as it is today. In most countries of the world, the average guy is able to get laid, though and no game is needed, let alone the increasingly airtight variety which has become obligatory in the US and UK to win a wench. In fact, you could regard the need for game itself as a sign of an already distressed sexual market place for men - a canary in the coalmine, as it were.

But my point is this: Blaming those men who can't get laid is wholly wrongheaded, in my view, for the reason that the sexual market place in the West has become hugely out of whack and become strongly tilted in favour of women. It's as if the sexual market place for men has been subsumed by a tsunami of female hypergamy, with only those guys in the top 5% being the high terrain that has managed to avoid being swept away. Blaming the average guy for not being that high ground when the tsunami struck seems a very unreasonable posture to adopt given the scale and suddenness of the changes to the landscape. A very large percentage of the guys who can't get laid in the Anglosphere would, were they living in Poland or Peru, not have the same difficulties or at least nowhere near the same hurdles to surmount. In other words, the SMV of the average male these days is more a function of location than anything else in my experience.
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