[newbgold]

I have been reading blog like Return of Kings and Roosh Forum for a long time. There are some things that I agree with, and there are other things that I disagree with as well. I am not sure if feminism is the foremost reason why American men have it that hard with modern women. I think that besides feminism, there are many other more important forces at play that causing this very unfortunate situation.
I came to this forum to look for love advice. But at the same time, this site is considered misogynistic and inappropriate by the mainstream and perhaps by law. I would certainly like to post some questions and some of my views, but I am afraid that I might get into trouble with authorities. I would certainly not want to have my passport and visa denied for posting on this site. May I get into trouble with the law for joining this site?
But one question that I would like to ask is about plastic surgery.
The corporate media of the past several years is shoving Channing Tatums and Chris Hemsworths down women's throats. Tall men who have steroidal overmuscled body figures, with small squinty blue or green eyes are considered strictly the Only ideal of male beauty with no exception. Any man whose looks deviate from this eugenic standard is considered an ugly and unattractive man period. This propaganda is overwhelming and revolting and excluding of over 80% of men. Also, it seems that this propaganda has a racial slant to it, and men with Slavic and Semitic features like myself are among the ones that are excluded.
I am seriously considering to save money for plastic surgeries. Some people may think that I am trolling, but I am more than serious about getting some plastic surgeries done.
Here are my pictures:
http://imgur.com/uobK6ne&wOjA1pP
http://imgur.com/uobK6ne&wOjA1pP#1
I am 30 years old and my height is about 5'10 (177.5 cm).
Here is what I am considering:
1. Hair Transplant:
I lost my hair too early
2. Otoplasty (reduction of ears)
To reduce protrusion and size of ears
3. There is a brand new surgery that turns brown eyes into blue eyes
4. Rhinoplasty
To reduce the large size of my Semitic nose
5. Jaw implant
6. Leg lengthening surgery
To add 2-3 inches to get to those six feet

Has anyone on this forum gone through a plastic surgery?
Which one of these surgeries would you suggest that I get? I can only afford one or two, so which one would help my looks the most?

Also, my last name is Goldman, which I used to be proud of for a long time. But I think that my last name has an unmasculine and unsexy connotation. Many chicks think that a man with the last name Goldman is a nerdy beta male. I can change my last name to Schtriker, which was my grandmother's last name. That might sound a little bit more manly and sexy and more schtriking. Would you suggest that I change my name to appear more attractive?

Obviously, I will need to learn more game and religiously attend the gym to build muscles, that is prerequisite, but I feel that in this digital age of spornosexuals and instagram, this is not enough to attract women. I feel that men are getting cosmetic surgery, whoever can afford it.

I apologize if my rant was too long, but I need some suggestions.

[game_ethic]

[Lochte]

This is such an awesome opening post

[Luvianka]

Circumcision counts like plastic surgery? LOL! Just kidding.

[Il Bersagliere]

You're not a bad looking guy. Use that money for a gym membership, some game guides, a new wardrobe, traveling, etc. Assuming you are not trolling.

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

Absent gross facial deformity or morbid obesity - of which you have neither - the answer is an emphatic no.

Take the money you want to spend on plastic surgery and go travel to the Phillipines. I guarantee you it will be a more effective use of your time and effort.

The one suggestion I would make for you is to shave your head and grow a beard. Add some good musculature and you'll look fine.

[LINUX]

Do some testosterone and you shave your head completely; The ear thing may
be an option also. You might come close to the Jason Statham thing.

[Fortis]

You need to get some balls surgically attached to your empty scrotum.

Kidding. But dude, what the fuck? I really want to hope this is a troll, because this is so fucked up. Where is society at when men are this hopeless?

There are men on this forum who have facial deformities and other disabilities but they're still able to get laid. Funny how you mention all these things you can't control as reasons why you can't get laid. How about you do the things that the men of this forum have done to get laid? Get in shape, you look skinny. I'm not making fun. I'm a skinny dude.

Shave your damn head. You look beta with that haircut. Let go of the hair, or get the transplant if you can afford it. I shave my head because mother nature made me start going bald at 22. Nothing I could do. Those are two things you can do to immediately help your situation. Get a tan as well, you look a little pale. Pale and bald is not the way to go.

Tell women your last name is whatever you want. Why are you telling women your last name? Sounds like a security issue waiting to happen.

[Atlantic]

Before you do any surgery read: Psycho-Cybernetics by Maxwell Maltz.

Dr. Maltz was one of the worlds most widely known and regarded plastic surgeons. He wrote the book because he noticed a lot of his patients still hung on to their old 'image' even after successful surgery. The reason is our inner projections and beliefs which can not be altered by surgery alone (or can be altered without surgery). Read the book and try work on your 'inner game' first. Even if you go ahead with the surgery you will still need to deal with this side of things sooner or later.

Well worth a read for people not considering surgery too but more interested in inner game and breaking down limiting beliefs.

[Cattle Rustler]

Why would posting here get you in trouble with the law or get your visa denied?

Last time I remembered, we're all travelers.

[RexImperator]

[newbgold]

Thank you for the replies.

"Take the money you want to spend on plastic surgery and go travel to the Phillipines. I guarantee you it will be a more effective use of your time and effort."

Asian girls are not my first choice, because I am primarily into white girls. But I read Roosh's articles, and I see that women in Poland, Russia, Ukraine are turning into American women. I read Russian forums and I see Russian women posting "hochu krasavchega" (I want a hot guy). It seems that the iron hands of Channing Tatums and Chris Hemsworths and Jersey Shores have found their way into Eastern Europe. Should I still try Eastern Europe with my looks, or is it too late? With the looks that I have, are Thailand and Phillipines the only option for me?

[realologist]

I think I found the OP

[Il Bersagliere]

(05-31-2015 04:45 PM)newbgold Wrote:  

Thank you for the replies.

"Take the money you want to spend on plastic surgery and go travel to the Phillipines. I guarantee you it will be a more effective use of your time and effort."

Asian girls are not my first choice, because I am primarily into white girls. But I read Roosh's articles, and I see that women in Poland, Russia, Ukraine are turning into American women. I read Russian forums and I see Russian women posting "hochu krasavchega" (I want a hot guy). It seems that the iron hands of Channing Tatums and Chris Hemsworths and Jersey Shores have found their way into Eastern Europe. Should I still try Eastern Europe with my looks, or is it too late? With the looks that I have, are Thailand and Phillipines the only option for me?

From what I understand, Asia (SEA) is much easier than EE in terms of game. I suggest you go there first. Philippines then BKK or Indonesia. Personally I do not like BKK, but hop on DIA or Thaifriendly and the talent makes you reconsider.

I really do not know any classically "easy" game destinations in EE, but if you are going there, I suggest you also factor in cost. I was looking into booking a flight to HEL, but shit was pricy. And chill with the whole "looks" thing. Take the advice above about shaving and hitting the gym. You're going to be alright. Also, get a game plan going. You really haven't told us about that.

[Dusty]

(05-31-2015 04:09 PM)newbgold Wrote:  

Also, my last name is Goldman, which I used to be proud of for a long time. But I think that my last name has an unmasculine and unsexy connotation. Many chicks think that a man with the last name Goldman is a nerdy beta male. I can change my last name to Schtriker, which was my grandmother's last name. That might sound a little bit more manly and sexy and more schtriking. Would you suggest that I change my name to appear more attractive?

[FlyBoy]

"6. Leg lengthening surgery"

WTF ... lol

I dunno dude, but you sound like a troll!

[Saweeep]

Instead of spending all that money on ridiculous surgery do this:

Get a trainer 5 days per week.

Take some steroids and get jacked.

Get a boxing/martial arts coach 5 days per week.

After 6 months:

Find a personal stylist to get your wardrobe kicked up.

Buy a sportscar and a fly crib.

Go out and re-enter the world as a new man.


As another said, go for the Jason Statham bad boy thing.

[Remington]

Seriously? You have some major insecurity issues if you are really considering plastic surgery. Learn to love yourself as you are and focus on your inner game. It's all in your head.

[polar]

You look a bit like Tom Torero. He does alright, but are you willing to do the work?

Shave the balding and think twice about doing any surgery.

1. Gym and martial arts - get a coach to get started.
2. Start being social.
3. Work on your self-confidence and inner game.
4. Revisit your wardrobe.

What CrashBangWallop said minus the steroids.

See on the meet up forum if there's anyone near you who might show you the ropes.

[speeddemon]

I don't think you know what leg lengthening surgery entails (lots of pain!) and who it is meant for (not people who are already taller than average lol)

[Jetlagged]

Dude 5 10 leg lengthening surgery? I'm 5 foot 7. Be happy man.

I'm in china and 25% of girls are taller than me. And they all wear heels.

Some people.

[Windom Earle]

[Simeon_Strangelight]

WTF dude?

First of all your fears about posting here potentially getting you into prison?
We are not racists here, we may criticize immigration from time time, but not because we hate immigrants, but because we see it as otherwise destructive in the current form. Apart from that one could only accuse us of misogyny - your alias is anonymous unless you are doxxed somehow. And even if you are doxxed the worst thing that can happen to you is that you lose your job because of some "misogynist" comments. The likelihood for the current stage is close to zero.

Second - regarding your look.

You are not a bad looking guy - check out pro PUA Tom Torrero. You can almost beat him in looks - certainly in age.

What you need to do is work out and learn Game.
I would agree with LINUX that testosterone would help you - there are men out there who have naturally 5 times more testosterone than other other guys. If you supplement that, you may only get to levels of other men.

You may shave your hair or do at the most a same-hair transplant - that is about the most I would recommend as far as plastic surgery is concerned.

The procedures you mentioned are extreme to the highest degree.

And your name - seriously? You have a good strong Jewish name - there are men who would change their name to yours. In some areas of business and art it is a great plus. In addition women don't give a shit about a last name. Usually around here they find out about the last name after they have already fucked you and are hooked. That is how Game works. What is wrong with Goldman - because Goldman-Sachs sounds so Beta?


+ study Game reading the right kind of books by Roosh, free blog posts and forums, Nick Krauser etc.

+ Do a bootcamp or get private counseling by someone who can teach you Game - you may need it to kickstart you into a new thinking.

+ Stop reading PUAHATE and blackpill sites who claim that Game does not work and only money and plastic surgery aid you. There are worse looking men out there who are pussy magnets.

+ Start lifting and maybe get some testosterone

+ Shave your head or at the very most do a same-hair transplant if you want to spare the 7000-10000$. Also check out Nick Krauser's blog and how he looked like when he started out in Game - he had less hair than you.

Beauty ops for men are in most instances useless except for some minor procedures - most of them when much older (botox when you are 50 and liftings when you are 60+). Forget about what the media claims is king - they are Blue Pill sheisters who know nothing about gender-based attraction patterns.

While in short-term dating looks count more, when you are looking for girlfriend your looks count even much less - I 'll leave you here with a few men who you can beat looks-wise many-fold and who have done well for themselves with hot girlfriends/wives:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...bride.html

If you study Game enough you know that this is not a surprise. Women will lower their looks-threshold for a man if he displays the right qualities of dominance, Game, success, intelligence, long-term provisioning - when they are looking for a husband. Not all women are bar-hopping sluts.

[kaotic]

DUDE NO.

FUCK-ALL-THAT-SHIT.

You'd blow a fuck ton of money on that AND risk your health ?

Hell no !

1. Hair Transplant: I lost my hair too early (SHAVE IT) Grow a beard.
2. Otoplasty (reduction of ears)To reduce protrusion and size of ears NOPE
3. There is a brand new surgery that turns brown eyes into blue eyes BITCHES LOVE DARK EYES
4. Rhinoplasty To reduce the large size of my Semitic nose MAYBE IF IT'S REALLY BAD EDIT: Come on man, no hating your heritage, always be proud !
5. Jaw implant I SEE NOTHING WRONG
6. Leg lengthening surgery ARE YOU HIGH ? I'D KILL TO BE 5'10 !!

LIFT LIFT LIFT LIT !!! EAT RIGHT/CLEAN ! Start tanning

The gents above are yelling the same thing.

This is crazy, and you need to work on your inner game FIRST!

I used to despise being 5'8 135lbs wet, with a semi large nose.

Guess what I did ? I started lifting, still learning game, grew facial hair, dialed my haircuts in, started approaching, started banging.

Atlantic's right you could totally pull off the Jason Statham look !

[Gosh900]

If I were you the only thing I'd consider is something to fix the hair.
After that hit the gym very hard and wear clothes that fit and you'll be okay.