Quote: (05-16-2015 05:10 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:
Prior to my trip to the Philippines, I would meet girls - off online or day game - at a drink venue a few minute drive from my place, and buy us a round or two of drinks, and maybe an appetizer.
But if I lined up a lot of dates for the week, this got really expensive. Each date set me back about $30-70 a pop, and most of them don't even lead to notches. Not sustainable.
Even before my trip, I was thinking there has to be a better way. Now here's what I'm thinking:
- Do the Zero date method and have them come directly to my place. Risky due to SIFs.
- Meet them at a Cafe Express (relatively cheap venue), a 1 minute WALK from my place. Less risky because I can always walk out on a SIF. If not a SIF, I can use 5-10 minutes to "vet" them before ordering one round of drinks or bringing them back to my place.
This should hopefully save me a lot of money and time.
This is almost identical to the first date model that I use now (see my post Alcoholic vs. Non Alcoholic First Dates). For me using this method leaves all options on the table and gives me the most flexibility and plausible deniability in terms of how soon I go for the bang. As much as I love the concept of the zero date bang and I think BlurredSevens is light years ahead of his time, I have huge concerns over getting tangled up with SIF's and crazies. Yes I know, we can screen for those but it's never 100% until you meet them in person. Here are the benefits I've noticed by using this style:
1. The date is very cheap. I spend no more than about $10 for coffee, tea or ice cream. Over the years I've plowed thousands of dollars into drinks on women where I got nothing in return or ended up wanting to get the hell out. By meeting for something non alcoholic there's no bartender constantly saying "You want another drink Miss?" and me sitting there awkwardly thinking, shit there's another $15 gone on a stupid skinny cosmarita foo foo
2. It lets me quickly screen for chemistry, social skills (can she put a coherent sentence together) craziness and if she's DTF based on her actions and the vibe she's sending me. It also allows me a quick exit if she's annoying as hell or other red flags are flying.
3. The older women get the stronger their ASD becomes. While I've encountered my share of 40+ year old women who were quickly DTF my general experience has been women under 30 are pretty easy first date bangs for me and over 30 it usually takes more than one date and on the off chance I do get them home on the first date the LMR battle will be long and grueling. I've even had older women, stripped down to their panties, dripping wet tell me that they just cannot break their "no first date sex rule but sex on a second date? Absolutely!!"
By doing a cheap and casual first meeting it gets that all important first date box checked for her and allows you to aggressively escalate to sex on the second date if you so choose. It also provides upward room to move up the ladder to a drink date so the woman feels like the dates are making forward progress ("oooh, we did coffee on the first and now we're doing martinis on the second, I can't wait to see what happens on the third"
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4. It allows you to screen for women who just want free drinks and attention but have no intention of doing anything further with you. If a girl is dead set against meeting for anything other than alcohol and you're still feeling her, pitch the zero date bang model and say you'll make her drinks at your place. If she insists on meeting out next her. She just wants to drink on your dime and invest nothing. If a girl is truly interested in meeting you she will have no problem with a non alcoholic option.
5. If when you meet the girl you get an instant DTF vibe you have the option of immediately saying "Hey, I just learned how to make blah blah drink, want to give it a try?" and then instantly bouncing back to your place. If she declines you can still proceed with your cheap and casual date.
Of course for all of this to work it's critical that you live very close to where you will be meeting her. For me I live 2 mins from a large outdoor shopping center with bars, cafes and ice cream. Similar to real estate game is all about logistics, logistics, logistics.