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Gothenburg, Sweden Data Sheet
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Gothenburg, Sweden Data Sheet

So, Mixx asked me to do a write up on Gothenburg and seeing how I was already looking to introduce me to the board this is an introduction as good as any.

This data sheet is very much a work in progress. I’ll add to it as new venues, lodgings and tidbits pop up. Give me feedback on what you’d like to see and I’ll do my best to provide you with the best info. This is especially true for the recruiting part.

About Sweden:

Despite popular belief Sweden has left its socialistic heritage behind it and elected a right wing government for the last two general elections. With the right wing alliance's success in navigating the financial crisis and keeping the Swedish economy strong it is poised to repeating this feat. Despite this, Sweden is for most foreigners still very much a nanny state with a state monopoly on alcohol (systembolaget), strict DUI + drug laws and very liberalized/progressive women.

As english is a compulsary course in school from 4th grade (10 year olds) anyone with a passable command of the language will be able to navigate the country without any problems. You will be able to carry extensive conversations in english with anyone 18+.

Sweden is one of the world's most sylvan countries with nearly 65% being covered with forest and a very low population density in the countryside as a result. The overall eco-mindedness of the population along with the above fact makes Sweden a haven for quiet getaways and hiking. The same factors pretty much forces the casual visitor to concentrate on the nation's two major cities (Stockholm & Gothenburg) if you're interested in hooking up with the fairer sex.

Getting around in Sweden is easy. The public transportation system is very well developed and the travel system of choice whether you're going across the country by train or out on the town at night by bus/tram/subway. Just about all local travel supports SMS ticketing, and unless you're staying for anything >1 week you'll do fine just relying on this.

Sweden is one of the most wired countries in the world. You'll get open wi-fi everywhere and even better, buying a local cash SIM card for your phone will have you calling nationally and internationally cheaper than with your own SIM at home (unless you're from Singapore). Get one of those (they are 49 SEK at most convenience stores + cash refill).

When to go:

During the spring or summer months, May to mid September. Go any other time and your ballsack will freeze and drop off, leaving you of little use to local girls. Swedes pretty much hibernate during the winter months and the partying is less intense so don't bother. You can experience some great skiing in the winters though.


Where to go:


For the trip and nature: Sarek, The east northern coast, The islands Öland & Gotland, The west coast immediately above Gothenburg.

For recruiting talent: Stockholm or Gothenburg. Period. You could go to in theory go to Malmö as a combination with visiting the Danish capital Copenhagen but I really can't recommend Denmark, neither for the trip nor its women. This guide concentrates on Gothenburg. Generally considered to be the more relaxed of the two.

Where to stay:

Hotels in Sweden are notoriously expensive but tend to have very good mid-range standards to make up for it. If you can bear the cost however the availability of a hotel room close to city center will make closing a lot easier for you. Many times closing swedish girls is mostly a matter of logistics (hence I live in the inner city). If sleeping in a hotel bed is an option to getting an expensive taxi ride or spending an hour on the bus getting home then that might just be all your recruits might need.

The hotels I’ve marked with * have concierges that will get you onto nightclub’s guest list should you ask.

*Avalon: The best hotel in town IMO. Great location, good beds and tasteful rooms. Their popular outside restaurant/bar is a very hot place for daygaming on lunches and weekends as well as during the evenings.

*Gothia Towers: The city’s largest buildings and thus impossible to miss. Seven well-visited Bars and restaurants (one of them Incontro mentioned below) gives you the option to remain at the hotel for the entire stay and still meet tons of girls.

Lilton: Cheesy name aside, this place is a good budget hotel that’s still not too far from where the action is. If you’re travelling with someone else and planning for a longer stay you could probably negotiate a rate that would rival

If you're on a budget: Swedish hostels are generally clean, safe, provide wi-fi and hold surprisingly central locations.

Make sure you always book a hotel room for two, it will add nothing to the cost for the room. The reason for this is to pre-empt any objection a grumpy receptionist you might have when bringing talent up to your room (though this is rarely a problem). Also as breakfast is almost always included in the room rate in Swedish hotels it means you can offer a very tempting buffet breakfast to any talent in the morning.

Where to party/recruit:

First a note. Cover on Swedish nightclubs can be a pain. Expect anything from $10-$25. Most clubs however do not put up any cover charge if you’re there early (usually before 10pm). If you know anything about working bars/clubs you should be there early anyhow, alone with the girls while the guys are sitting at home pre-drinking until 1am. After 2am I personally wouldn’t bother with clubs but rather head over to a hotel bar.

Sticky fingers: A 3-floor rock club and a hit with the city’s younger crowd. You’ll find many bohemian and (wannabe) rebel types here that would easily click with backpackers. The male-female ratio however is a little off and you won’t encounter the best looking girls. Still it’s definitely one of the more atmospheric

Push: Brands itself as the premier GBG nightclub. I wouldn’t know about that but the prices certainly are. The crowd is good looking but expect to get a more attitude in this place that seem to give the girls a little more sense of entitlement.

Palace: Affectionately referred to around town as “Jurassic Park”. The city’s most prominent hang out for the 35+ crowd. Not what I would usually advise visitors to go to and I don’t go there myself but if you like MILFs the crowd here will suck the marrow off your bones. These ladies are without shame and will make you believe it. The bar has a bell that is rung everytime someone below 30 walks in, the signal for jailbait entering.

Incontro: On Friday evenings this lounge turns into the city’s #1 spot for 30-somethings. At 5pm the place starts to fill up, at 6pm it’s full, at 7pm there’s a 1h line outside. With a piano bar, a large outside area and subdued music this place makes it easy to cruise between groups.

Lounge(s): One of the more classy Nightclubs with 3-floors (one being a rooftop terrace) and lots of areas where the music is softer making conversation easy. Usually sports some of the better looking talent in town, Don’t show up after midnight as the place gets packed fast.

Port Du soleil: A summertime establishment down by the marina that is considered one of the most exclusive clubs in Scandinavia. Packed by 9am with the best looking people Sweden has to offer. Might not be the best place for recruiting talent due to the sound volume but has world class DJs (Steve Angello, Axwell, SHM, Yesiir) and the best party of any place in town during the summer.

Where to NOT party/recruit:

Rockbaren: A very seedy rock/metal bar commonly frequented by biker gang members and other dubious characters. While the metalheads swilling cheap beer are friendly enough the constant fights and risk of hitting on the wrong girl should make sure you give this place a pass.

Dancing Dingos: An australian bar frequented by aussies, irish and a young crowd that want to drink cheap watered-out shots. Very sketchy management that will back some of the violent regulars (guess the nationality from the above list) should fighting break out. It is ironically enough situated right across from Rockbaren which gives you all the less reason to even step on the street where these places are located.

Some notes on recruiting talent in Sweden:

This is all from my experiences and observations. Being a Swede myself I don’t have the advantage of fresh eyes. I have however travelled extensively, lived abroad and collected my share of flags (I don’t like that juvenile term, but for argument) so I do have some international references to bring to the comparassion.

  1. Swedes are by european standards somewhat reserved. This has been interpreted as snotty, aloof or even rude. It has more to do with Swedes in general being shy and proud. A combination that amounts to minimizing unknown outside contacs due to the risk of hurting their own ego should one take the wrong steps. If you are aware of this it is something you should work into your recruting – if someone is shitting on you when approached you should call them on it in a non-confrontational way. Don’t apologize. Firm but polite.
  2. With the above in mind the situation changes when a Swede goes travels and become far more approachable when encountered outside the country’s border. They are allowing adventure into their lives.
  3. Swedes are generally considered to be good looking while at the same time being quite fashion forward. Unless you are a Hugo Boss suited model you will not cut it alone with looks and dress sense.
  4. The one thing that I’m the most embarassed about my fellow countrymen: Swedes have very little clue about the nuances of international politics but consider themselves to have the solution for everything. In short NEVER get into a discussion with a Swede about politics, the nanny state, taxation etc. Just change the subject or change the talent, you can’t this one. Remember that part about Swedes being very proud? This can work to your advantage. Indirect compliments on the beauty of the Swedish nature, the overall cleanliness, all the great swedish bands (see tip 7 though) will warm up most crowds.
  5. Equal rights is a riot. It means girls are free of guilt when going home with guys and it means they are expected to buy every second round of drinks on a date (don’t count on it in clubs though). Chauvinism with a swedish girl in anything but a playful way will end with you dating your hand. This doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be manly which is something many swedish guys themselves do not get. Dropping the macho act does not mean dropping being a man.
  6. I’m keeping this for myself for a while longer.. don’t want to give it away…
  7. Do not EVER try to be funny by doing a the muppet Swedish chef interpretation or talking about how you like ABBA. We have heard/seen it all before and it confirms that you are an ignoramus that hasn’t bothered looking beyond the stereotypes.

Misc. Info:


Tipping: Only if you receive exceptional service. You’re generally not expected to tip.

Taxi: Extremely safe, non-existing chance of getting scammed if you go with any of the 3 major operators (Taxi Kurir, Taxi Göteborg or Mini-taxi) that make up for 90% of all the taxis in GBG. These taxis have cameras meant as much to monitor their drivers as the passengers. Taxis however are very expensive. For visitors there really is no reason to use them given the great availability of public transportation.
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Exceptional Report, Vicious. Thanks for the info.
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Man, and I was downloading ABBA's greatest hits before I read Tip: 7! LOL!! Funny.

Awesome report.. +1 - and welcome to the board!

Mixx
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Great Data post.
Another thing, book your hotels/hostels far in advance for the summer months, especially if there are concerts in town. That means book at least 4-5 months in advance.
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Vicious,awesome report.It will work wonders for me.
+1

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Palace: Affectionately referred to around town as “Jurassic Park”. The city’s most prominent hang out for the 35+ crowd. Not what I would usually advise visitors to go to and I don’t go there myself but if you like MILFs the crowd here will suck the marrow off your bones. These ladies are without shame and will make you believe it. The bar has a bell that is rung everytime someone below 30 walks in, the signal for jailbait entering.

Hahaa this seems to be the best Cougar spot in the world lol!You should post this on that Cougar-lovers thread..lol


Vicious,
recently I heard that Gothemburg is no Longer a super safe place,and that minor roberry / Skinhead trouble are taking place.

Whats your opinion about it?

Should I worry with my personal safety when I'm there rolling solo dolo or this is an exaggeration?

I have white skin,but I'll stand out clearly as an outsider.

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LOL...Mr. GM, where is this cougar spot you speak of? sounds like fun.

MIxx
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Quote: (05-24-2011 05:34 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

Vicious,
recently I heard that Gothemburg is no Longer a super safe place,and that minor roberry / Skinhead trouble are taking place.

Whats your opinion about it?

Should I worry with my personal safety when I'm there rolling solo dolo or this is an exaggeration?

Skinheads are few and far in between in Sweden. This misunderstanding has mostly risen through shitty media reporting. Fox News had a report a year or so back about some muslim immigrants vs racist rioting, gloating about how the cradle-to-the-grave system in Sweden obviously has not solved this problem. This rioting was however confined to one particularly troubled area in Malmö though they failed to mention that.

So to answer your question, you'll be fine. Sweden is by US, EE and Mediterranean standards very safe (I can't speak for Latin America having never been there).
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thanks again Vicious.
I have one more question...It's true that is almost impossible to rent a room/apartment there during the summer? I would like not to have to rely only on hostels.

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Quote: (05-25-2011 09:20 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

thanks again Vicious.
I have one more question...It's true that is almost impossible to rent a room/apartment there during the summer? I would like not to have to rely only on hostels.

Oh man, you're not gonna get a room from july 1st to July 4th, two big concerts going on then.
I don't know about the rest of summer though, but book ASAP if you wanna save money.
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Quote: (05-25-2011 09:20 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

thanks again Vicious.
I have one more question...It's true that is almost impossible to rent a room/apartment there during the summer? I would like not to have to rely only on hostels.

I have heard finding an apartment in Stockholm is a nightmare. Mostly very expensive subleases which are difficult to get.

Gothenburg seems to a little better in terms of supply, but short term (1-4 months) apartments are still very difficult to solidify because they are also in sublease formats.

This is based on my research.
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I'm going to give you what I gave Luckystar.

Following are links to the most used Swedish online market place for Gothenburg and Stockholm respectively (run through Google translate). It's like Craigslist but without the sex ads basically.

Gothenburg rentals

Stockholm rentals

You might have to switch in and out of translated mode to have the city areas names displayed correctly. On average, the real estate market is something like 30% more expensive in Stockholm, this is reflected in the rental prices above.
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Couldn't edit the first post so I'll just pile on down here....

There appears to be a demand for a breakdown on the Swedish views of outside ethnicities. Note that this is a general outline, nothing here is set in stone but should give you a good general indicator.

Sweden (Swe) has had a very generous immigration policy for the last 15 or so years. This has resulted in the previously homogeneous Swedish population now consisting of ca 10% immigrants or first-generation swedes (ie born in the country by non-swedish parents). Once exotic gene stocks are today a common occurance and a counter-culture has taken shape in the form of an anti-imigration party that has nabbed a few parliamentary seats in the last public election.The following post sounds almost political but it only reflects the high general political awareness of Swedes. It is impossible to ignore (global) politics in Swe as an outsider.

Americans in general – While Swe has taken steps to the right in the last two elections the country as a whole is still nostalgic about its do-gooder leftist past. In particular women in the age category 18-25 are very much socialists at heart (not so much in the older age categoris as people tend to sober up when they hit the job market full time). The advice here is – NEVER get into an argument with a swedish girl you want to recruit over American politics. You can’t win this no matter your rhetorical, factual and logical prowess. Just agree, tell them that you like Obama and change the topic, let them get it out of their system. You can tell them that you vote republican when you’ve emptied your ballsack. The point is, do not ignore the vice like grip politics has on women’s hearts in Swe. I can tell you the craziest stories on this (I vaguely remember Roosh advicing something similar on this in some post). Also, while Swe girls are very progressive in general do not make the mistake of calling them feminist as most younger women will loathe this. To the younger generations feminists are bitter hags with unshaven armpits. So be aware of the distinction.

African-descendants – Probably the ethnic group that has had its public image hurt the most from the opening of the country’s borders. Much of Swedens hard drug trade is ruled by african gangs, there’s been a number of widely covered rape cases in the last few year by african men and Swe has suffered its first real AIDS scare from a number of Somalis and Ghanian gents running amok. All of this and more has resulted in africans drawing quite a bit of resent. HOWEVER, the left-leaning Sweden is enamoured with Obama and his general profile. Any black man that can get out of the ghetto/hip-hop look and present themselves with some style and jive-free english will find themselves reexperiencing the intrigue that was reserved for black people in the early 90s and earlier. African-americans have genuine possibilities here, for those of you reading this expect initial suspicion and some coldness. Power past that in a non-threatening way and you will attract a lot of curiousity.

Asian – Not particulary common in Swe and generally well-respected. Emphasis on respected. As an asian trying to recruit talent in Swe you will fight an uphill battle however. With the average height for women being 5’6” in the age category 20-29 you will find yourself shorter than a majority of the population. Even worse for matters of attracting women, asians are considered to be very “safe”, bordering on harmless. Where black people have to downplay the “danger” about them asians will have to do the opposite. Though this is generally the case for most of the western world.

Latino – Without a doubt the major ethnic group that’s the rarest in Scandinavia and thus the one considered the most exotic. Most latin people would definitely be assumed to be in Swe on business or something important. A latin man recruiting in Swe can be anything he wants in the ears of his talent because the general opinion on latinas in general is so undefined with soccer (which you should call football in Swe unless you want to find any conversation derailed) and samba being about the only firm associations. I wouldn’t know how well latinos would do among swedish talent because I have never had the opporunity to witness it myself. That says something about their rarity in these parts.

Middle eastern – The immigrant population is mainly made up of middle easterners and are a daily sight in most areas of the country (particulary the main cities). Middle easterners are generally accepted as a part of the Swe cultural landscape nowadays but continually dragged down by the fundamentalists. A middle eastern man needs to show that he’s a modern, westernized man and not the fundamental type that secretly thinks of her as a whore to bear his children. Of course, there’s WT that will be appealed by the promise of abuse but I doubt anyone on this forum want that kind of prospects. Pretty much the same advice that goes for african men applies here.

Eastern Europeans – The second biggest major ethnic group in Swe. By a wide margin compromised of serbs, bosnians and croatians. Thought of initally as mobsters, the balkan immigrants have recently gained more acceptance than most other ethnic groups due to their work ethic (something africans & middle easterners are perceived to lack). An EE trying to recruit talent in Swe pretty much starts from zero, netiher exotic nor disdained.

Due to Swedes fondness of travel other europeans aren’t generally considered to be that exotic and will find very varying responses with every approach. These guys should play the numbers in order to faster sort out any talent that has had a personal good experience of said person’s country.
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Great report! Gothenburg is the only city in Scandi that I have an interest in and as a latino it sounds promising.
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Vicious,
great, awesome post.I think you should re-post it in a new topic , "Swedish views of outside ethnicities" or something like that.
I suspect that this information applies to Sweden as a whole and not exclusively for Gothenburg.More guys will see it if you post it in another topic.This great info is definitely worth of its own topic.

Do you think that the average asian is below 5'6?I know a lot who are taller than that..I'm a 5'7 Latino and I have some taller asian friends..but I don't know whats the average height for this guys in general.
The Info on Blacks and Middle easterns probably can be used in any European/Majority White city.

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Quote: (06-01-2011 08:54 AM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

Do you think that the average asian is below 5'6?I know a lot who are taller than that..I'm a 5'7 Latino and I have some taller asian friends..but I don't know whats the average height for this guys in general.

Avg height for age groups 20-29 is 5' 11 1/2" for men and 5' 6 1/2" for women. I don't know the exact average height for asians but I just wanted to mention the height disparity.

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Vicious,
great, awesome post.I think you should re-post it in a new topic , "Swedish views of outside ethnicities" or something like that.
I suspect that this information applies to Sweden as a whole and not exclusively for Gothenburg.More guys will see it if you post it in another topic.This great info is definitely worth of its own topic.

I considered that and I think I'll ask Roosh to edit the thread title to better reflect the content.
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Vicious:

Forget about skinheads and such a shit. You didn't tell us about the REAL DANGERS in Sweden.

- Why is it illegal in Swe just to hand over some bills to a hot blonde and fuck her? I mean, there's nothing immoral about that. My father did it, I do it, and hopefully my son will do it one day in the future. And I don't feel ashamed of that.

- Do the things that happened to Mr. Julian Assange occur regularly in your country? Is there "rule of law" in Swe or is it rather a police state where a feminist attorney and a feminist judge in direct cooperation can do whatever they want?

- Do attractive men get sexually harassed by super-confident drunk fatties in clubs or so like it happened to me in other parts of Europe?
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Quote: (06-01-2011 06:45 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

HOWEVER, the left-leaning Sweden is enamoured with Obama and his general profile. Any black man that can get out of the ghetto/hip-hop look and present themselves with some style and jive-free english will find themselves reexperiencing the intrigue that was reserved for black people in the early 90s and earlier. African-americans have genuine possibilities here.

LOL! Black American guys should now walk around Stkhm or Goteborg wearing jackets which have written on them: OBAMA 2012

I can mos def vouch for how beyond incredible Sverige was for Black guys back in the '80s. Although it may not be on that level for brothas now...I still believe Black guys can do major damage there, even now.
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Quote: (06-01-2011 10:33 AM)Bronze Wrote:  

- Why is it illegal in Swe just to hand over some bills to a hot blonde and fuck her? I mean, there's nothing immoral about that. My father did it, I do it, and hopefully my son will do it one day in the future. And I don't feel ashamed of that.

Am I supposed to defend prostitution being illegal? Take it up with the rest of the western world.

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- Do the things that happened to Mr. Julian Assange occur regularly in your country? Is there "rule of law" in Swe or is it rather a police state where a feminist attorney and a feminist judge in direct cooperation can do whatever they want?

This forum is not the right one for pseudo-political discussions. Tried Google?

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- Do attractive men get sexually harassed by super-confident drunk fatties in clubs or so like it happened to me in other parts of Europe?

And if this happened to anyone in San Fransisco I guess it must be a rule for all of the North America as well?

Seriously, how is any of this relevant? Given that you've already been warned about trolling you're not exactly doing yourself any favours.
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Ignoring the fact that she's famous , how this girl would be rated in Sweden ? Considering 1-10 scale

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The girl above would be hot in North America but I have seen plenty of girls her quality in Sweden.

I will let Vicious give his rating!

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Quote: (06-04-2011 01:17 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

Ignoring the fact that she's famous , how this girl would be rated in Sweden ? Considering 1-10 scale

I cannot comment on Gothenburg since I haven't been there, but on Stockholm standards I would give her a 6 - 6.5 at best, maybe a 7 on an extremely good day. But she is definitely not a bad looking girl for Sweden.

This is solely based on percentages, and Stockholm just has way more good looking girls.

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Awesome reports on GBG and great insight into Swedish perception of races and how the dating scene works there. Welcome to the forum man.
As to the pic of the girl posted, in my books, she'd be a 5 and that's being generous.
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Quote: (06-04-2011 02:25 PM)skulled Wrote:  

Quote: (06-04-2011 01:17 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

Ignoring the fact that she's famous , how this girl would be rated in Sweden ? Considering 1-10 scale

I cannot comment on Gothenburg since I haven't been there, but on Stockholm standards I would give her a 6 - 6.5 at best, maybe a 7 on an extremely good day. But she is definitely not a bad looking girl for Sweden.

This is solely based on percentages, and Stockholm just has way more good looking girls.

Judging solely from party sites, Stockholm seems to have much better looking girls than GBG. Although few guys who have been to both cities have stated GBG has better looking girls. I suspect the pickings are probably easier in GBG as well.

Since a 5, is something I'd if I was hard up for action...I'd give this girl a 6.
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I don't give 1-10 ratings. I categorize girls as 'no', 'yes', and 'hell yes'. The girl above I'd call a 'yes' (but I'm not all that picky, these days I'm lazy ad rarely stay out later than 1am).

I intended to shoot a video just going right down the main GBG street today just showcasing the talent. Logistics and a private party invite foiled that, I'll try to make it tomorrow.
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