Quote: (02-10-2015 09:36 PM)Lemmo Wrote:
Quote: (02-10-2015 09:20 PM)Seamus Wrote:
Quote: (02-10-2015 05:45 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:
Instead of spending so much time and energy talking about the apocalyptic "fall of civilization," the life-and-death struggle with "Social Justice Warriors," how "Muslim infiltration" is destroying "Western Civilization," and that restaurants being allowed to deny black people service is the height of the "free market working as it should," we should be focusing on reaching guys like this. Rather, I find us (rather foolhardily) trying to make some kind of wholesale ideological change from the comfort of our laptops. It may feel good to read and say something so unpopular and so verboten, but that short-term contrarian pleasure is siphoning energy--and, more importantly, sympathetic hearts and minds--from our little corner of the world. The wrong voices are getting louder, while the more articulate and pragmatic ones are getting fainter. Don't get me wrong: there's nothing wrong with a bit of social commentary, and taking unpopular opinions; I've always supported that. But we're not doing ourselves any favors by embracing an increasingly fringe status and heavy, even angry and uninformed, tone.
I agree 100% with Tuthmosis' post. I love this forum, but I get turned off by the extreme views and angry ranting sometimes. At the end of the day the RVF in my mind is about helping people improve their lives, and the rest of it is just filler. Thanks to Roosh's work and some posters on here I've improved my closing ability with women, got great life advice in a trying moment, have improved my health, etc. I wish this guy could've done the same.
That said, I'm not sure I'm doing my part either. I know people like this guy in my work, but it's hard to gauge who's open to red pill advice and who's not. Since guessing wrong has consequences, I usually stay quiet.
So the fact that a severely depressed person with a long history of suicidal thoughts kills himself is not the result of mental illness but was instead due to a sub-forum at RVF including opinions with which some disagree and therefore doesn't create a warm and welcoming environment?
I may attend the next meeting of the APA to share these conclusions. Every time someone describes a treatment for a mental illness, I'll just shout them down. "Wrong. Guy just needs to learn game, score some sweet pussy brah."
You've managed to spectacularly miss the point, both mine and Tuthmosis'.
I think the RVF can absolutely help out people in this guy's situation, if not this particular guy. He explicitly said failure with women and low self-esteem from race/height were major factors in his suicide. There are millions of guys out there dealing with the same basic insecurities. They might not jump off of buildings, but they're miserable all the same.
This forum in my mind is fundamentally about self-improvement and becoming a better man, both with women and otherwise, something this guy desperately needed. Tuthmosis and a few others seem to feel that to some extent its energies are being misdirected as of late, and I happen to agree. I also agree that the "heavy, even angry and uninformed, tone" he mentioned is part of that.
That's just my two cents. Obviously it's not my forum. If you want to be a smartass about it that's fine, I've learned better than to get into these pissing matches