[Deluge]

(02-13-2015 03:15 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 02:08 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

As I alluded to above, I think Asian and mixed guys obsess over white girls as a means to validating their acceptance in the West and their subsequent Westernisation. And no, he couldn't have done that, because going to a developing (and, gasp, non-white!) country meant a cop-out, he'd lost, he couldn't hack strong Western women and play the game on easy mode. Thanks, feminism.

This study is quite telling - it shows how much more a man of a different race would have to make in yearly income in order to balance his race. Albeit the study is in terms of Beta Bucks/Long Term mate and provider - it is telling. For short term dating for example black guys enjoy a greater popularity, but getting into a LTR with many white girls is another matter.

Still - the data is clear:

http://bigthink.com/dollars-and-sex/do-w...-in-a-mate

Quote:

So, here is a question: If a woman cares about her mate’s income and ethnicity, what would a man’s income have to be to make a woman want to contact him even though he is of a different race than her? Imagine the following experiment. A woman can choose between communicating with two men. One earns $60,000 a year and is the same race as her. The other earns X dollars per year and is one of three different races than her. Every other observable characteristic about these two people is identical. What would X have to be in order to make a woman prefer the man in the other ethnic group?

The results are striking. An African-American man would have to earn $154,000 more than a white man in order for a white woman to prefer him. A Hispanic man would need to earn $77,000 more than a white man, and Asian man would need, remarkably, an additional $247,000 in additional annual income.

While similar such numbers exist for the African woman and white men have to pay a premium too, it's still interesting to see that long-term attraction indeed can be bought with women. Price is steep though:

White Man: 60.000$
Hispanic Man: 137.000$
Black Man: 214.000$ (WTF!)
Asian Man: 307.000$

I guess the blogger had little hope of attaining that kind of income in the near future.

Now of course we know that this study is likely pure Beta Bucks and shows the usual standard racial preferences. I am sure a good-looking, tattooed, Asian biker with Game has no problem getting by far more pussy than the average White Beta both for short-term as well as long-term, but the market place is slanted.

^I've seen that study before, I believe they used Okcupid for it. I think it's comparing races directly, rather than controlling all the other variables. A lot of Hispanic and Asian men in their sample would be immigrants and Okcupid has no way of being able to tell. Both are also shorter then white guys. Asian men are generally less masculine looking than white guys too while it's the opposite for Black guys, who are also taller. You'd also have to control for the different level of game shown in different races profiles and opening messages, which is huge since these studies measure women's response rates. I highly doubt Asian guys (even non-immigrant ones) have the same kind of profiles and messages as Black guys, for example. To account for all these differences might be too un-PC to face up to.

[The Reactionary Tree]

It is very difficult to reach the common man. I just look at my dealings with my own friends. They either get it or they dont. Even as straight men who like women, they have no interest in hearing manosphere/red pill ideas. They think game is silly (they think it is like NLP or hypnosis). They dont want to improve themselves. They dont want to lift weights. They dont want to read good books.

They think being an alpha male is stupid and are the first to point to morons like War Machine saying, "look at alpha males, they do stupid shit."

They want the Chris Gethard blue pill lifestyle - A TV, a mortgage, and "the one" to spend the rest of their lives with.

They want the drone lifestyle, they want to be "nice" guys, they want to settle down into marriage as soon as possible.

The only way men find their way into this corner of the internet is because they are looking for answers because what they have been told their whole lives about dating, marriage, women, etc, are lies... that or they are trying to get laid. They stick around because they agree with the ideas tossed around in this community.

[Brian Shima]

Deluge why would Asian and Hispanic immigrants be on Ok Cupid, those dudes are not on dating sites in high numbers LOL. That "study" is dumb and only a fool would think you need to make that much to get good looking white girls

[Deluge]

(02-13-2015 07:49 AM)Brian Shima Wrote:  

Deluge why would Asian and Hispanic immigrants be on Ok Cupid, those dudes are not on dating sites in high numbers LOL.

The amount of FOB dudes girls tell me are on Tinder tells me otherwise.

(02-13-2015 07:49 AM)Brian Shima Wrote:  

That "study" is dumb and only a fool would think you need to make that much to get good looking white girls

True.

[TravelerKai]

This is sad to hear about. I saw this dude on Hell's Kitchen with Chef Ramsey not too long ago. He honestly should have hit the gym and toned up a little bit. For a guy that was recently on a very popular TV show, that must have accelerated his insecurities. Like basically, he probably felt like he had arrived but was dissapointed when no one hopped on his dick. If anything he needed to have given that more time. Get on TV more, re-invent your look and develop a body built for TV.

He could have possibly gotten a Travel Channel or Food Network show if he applied himself more. No doubt he was probably approaching some Ferraris and was stunned they blew him off. When dudes try to bite off more than they can chew like that, it really fucks with their psyche. He probably tried some average 6-7s and got blew off again, then he was really in hot water. If you are not an A or B list celeb, you cannot expect everyone to notice you. If he had dropped a book and did a book signing he could have slipped some phone numbers to a few that came for autographs. Some guys with certain kinds of leverage do not know how to target/use props or strategize, and that is a damn shame.

The only reason some black guys are not tripping this badly in large droves is only because they will mope and go back to hood rats for the nut. Their expectations were not this high to begin with. But yet that is changing if you think about the Naval Yard Shooter, and he was talking to Filipinas too.

He was also probably too nice. So game would maybe staved off going this deep off the end, but sometimes game is not enough. Game would probably have led him to travel more though. When he was on Hells Kitchen, that was shot in LA I think. London and LA are not places for dudes with no game. Game attempts to make you think creative or try to be outside the box.

I liked this guy, I really wish he had hung in there just a little bit longer. He was really really close. This is what makes a loss like this sting so much.

Men may need coping skills to help them bide their time for their opportunity, that is just round the corner. Part of me thinks maybe coping skills is just counselor/femenist drivel though. I like to think that information is better. Knowledge is today's mathematics in order to solve complex problems in all areas, but we have to be willing to seek it out. Also, encourage those that are not aware of how to get it like Tuthmosis was talking about.



It's okay to brood, wait in bleed, scowl/mean mug, rub your hands, feel hungry, and grimy sometimes. We are men, we all get like this at times. Just remember that after a little bit of that, it's time to hop back up and rush back to the blueprint table. Punch your hands like a boxer as you stride. Keeping it positive physically can help you achieve that desired mental state you need to work these problems out.

100% grind, 10% sleep.

[Suits]

(02-13-2015 08:38 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

No doubt he was probably approaching some Ferraris and was stunned they blew him off.

Do you really think that he was doing approaches?

I think he gave up before he began.

Approaching, even if it ends in failure is good for men, because even though it goes no where, they realize there is nothing lost to get blown off.

It's men who live in a self-acceptance of failure who truly feel like failures.

Part of approaching is learning not to care.

[TravelerKai]

(02-13-2015 09:11 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 08:38 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

No doubt he was probably approaching some Ferraris and was stunned they blew him off.

Do you really think that he was doing approaches?

I think he gave up before he began.

Approaching, even if it ends in failure is good for men, because even though it goes no where, they realize there is nothing lost to get blown off.

It's men who live in a self-acceptance of failure who truly feel like failures.

Part of approaching is learning not to care.

Men with no game make approaches. They just do not have the mindset to blow that shit off easily. Whether cold approached or circle game approached. It does not matter. A hard shutdown or too many soft shutdowns demoralizes a man. We are human. The ability to walk away and not give a shit is a result of training.

That like a special forces guy saying something to a non trained person, "Pfffft dude all you had to do was shoot center mass dude! Either that or take cover first! Don't be an idiot bro!" His training affords him the tools to handle that situation. Guys like Wilkes have no training. The only training he has is the stuff the feminist driven narrative/conditioning of the mainstream gives him. The totem pole for males with Blacks and Asians at the bottom more or less. The deluge of online dating profiles with "sorry no black or Asian guys please, Thanks!!!". Mental and emotional slavery is real. Not different than that amazing breakdown Scorpion wrote about in that thread about that stupid movie.

If all you see is negative shit around you, that's all you know. The Manosphere right now is like a rowdy gang of men hanging out on the beach chillin with cigars, while there is a "Sea of Shit", more brown and turbid that the Gulf of Mexico, full of other men drowning, flailing about, trying to swim, and some have even been bitten by a shark. Some men make it to shore on the beach with the rest of us, but many will drown or bleed out. We don't even have a boat of sorts to go out and perform rescue ops. When some guys get close enough to the shore we can toss out a float ring (a red pill) and some guys will catch it.

What's to prevent us from building a shitty raft or even a boat?

[RexImperator]

I feel saddened anytime I hear of someone killing themselves. Saying "good riddance and thanks for narrowing the gene pool" or whatever seems to me like one is internalizing a feeling of cruelty from the world and then projecting it outwards.

Imagine if someone else is struggling in a similar fashion and reads that having suicidal thoughts or depression means they are "weak". Will they then rise to the occasion and decide to get strong? More likely they will simply feed their own negativity and say, "yes I'm weak" and then feel even worse. What they need is a doorway out of the negativity and self-inflicted pain.

I've struggled with my own share of negative thoughts and I would say the best skill I've learned to handle them comes from eastern philosophy and that is to disidentify with your own mind. Too often we accept our thoughts as being "ourselves" and assume they are "true" but in reality the mind will deceive itself. Your own brain can and will lie to you.

I believe depression is a physical condition caused by negative thinking which starts from identifying with a negative thought pattern. These are often recurring thought patterns which someone lives with for years. They may not always be active but negative events can re-trigger them. Once you recognize this in yourself you can teach yourself not to identify with them. Over time they do diminish and you'll have an increasing sense of inner tranquility.

The brain is quite a special organ in that it is actually capable of changing itself.

[Giovonny]

This is nothing new... Frustrated men have been killing themselves since forever...

The "red pill" is not to blame.. Sexual frustration has been causing suicide and murder long before the "manosphere".

Asian men, white men, black men, latin men, etc. They all kill themselves, for their own reasons.

Blaming the sexual marketplace just shows how they are excuse making cowards who refuse to take responsibility for their lives and put the work in to make changes.

This guy had money, he could have had harems in EE, SEA, SA, etc,

But, he lacked the vision and imagination.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge"

- Albert Einstein

[TheWastelander]

It's a lack of perspective. Everytime I feel even a little shitty about something I look at this image:



If you keep doing it you will indeed harden the fuck up. No matter what is going on in your life, you are not on the verge of being chopped to fucking pieces by machine gun fire. So get over yourself and do something about your pissant problems.

This guy was in a better situation most of us, career-wise. He made a good deal of money talking about food on the internet, for fuck's sake. Yet because he was such a crybaby bitch he concluded that not getting female attention was something worth killing himself over and not something he should work at if he really gave a shit. That's pathetic.

I also think the media and culture as large does a huge disservice to Asian-Americans. Asians need more alpha role models, like Bruce Lee, Ghengis Khan and other badasses.

[Constitution45]

I think even if I digested mainstream "dating advice" and views on what it means to be a man, I probably would kill myself as well. If you are feeling that bad, the only way out is to do something physical. Take up a sport, quitting porn and masturbation or going on an adventure of some sort.

The defining moment that personally changed me was taking up a job in one of those places you hear about that is constantly getting bombed or having other sorts of nasty killing. It was a sense of adventure and something I always referred back to, whenever I felt down or like I was caught in a shit routine.

[JustlookingForAGoodTime]

(02-13-2015 12:11 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

I feel saddened anytime I hear of someone killing themselves. Saying "good riddance and thanks for narrowing the gene pool" or whatever seems to me like one is internalizing a feeling of cruelty from the world and then projecting it outwards.

Imagine if someone else is struggling in a similar fashion and reads that having suicidal thoughts or depression means they are "weak". Will they then rise to the occasion and decide to get strong? More likely they will simply feed their own negativity and say, "yes I'm weak" and then feel even worse. What they need is a doorway out of the negativity and self-inflicted pain.

I've struggled with my own share of negative thoughts and I would say the best skill I've learned to handle them comes from eastern philosophy and that is to disidentify with your own mind. Too often we accept our thoughts as being "ourselves" and assume they are "true" but in reality the mind will deceive itself. Your own brain can and will lie to you.

I believe depression is a physical condition caused by negative thinking which starts from identifying with a negative thought pattern. These are often recurring thought patterns which someone lives with for years. They may not always be active but negative events can re-trigger them. Once you recognize this in yourself you can teach yourself not to identify with them. Over time they do diminish and you'll have an increasing sense of inner tranquility.

The brain is quite a special organ in that it is actually capable of changing itself.

Ok, so i've read through this entire thread already and i've seen the guys' last post.

I've got a public confession to make...Apparently, by the standards of this board i am one of the "weak". I'm heading tomorrow morning to a center to see about an appointment for getting meds and seeing a psychologist/psychiatrist for issues that have tormented me since i was a child. This past month i've been seeing a therapist and we both agreed that being committed would be a good idea but i don't have any real insurance so the snakepits which are the public mental health system are the only thing out there. Naturally, we think they are a shitty idea and little to no help.

For many people, life is not just a walk in the park. And for those of you with the "Man Up or "Harden The Fuck Up" slogans i have to laugh sometimes. Sometimes it's just not so easy or straightforward. I'm also big on those things myself but acknowledging the reality of the big picture means i have to take drastic action in a systematic fashion.

[Fortis]

(02-13-2015 08:38 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

It's okay to brood, wait in bleed, scowl/mean mug, rub your hands, feel hungry, and grimy sometimes. We are men, we all get like this at times. Just remember that after a little bit of that, it's time to hop back up and rush back to the blueprint table. Punch your hands like a boxer as you stride. Keeping it positive physically can help you achieve that desired mental state you need to work these problems out.

100% grind, 10% sleep.

Dawg,

was that a slipknot reference? Nice

----

Do agree. Getting better takes time. Even making little improves to your game can take forever if you're not in a city conducive to mass approaching and such.

[TheWastelander]

(02-13-2015 02:29 PM)JustlookingForAGoodTime Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 12:11 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

I feel saddened anytime I hear of someone killing themselves. Saying "good riddance and thanks for narrowing the gene pool" or whatever seems to me like one is internalizing a feeling of cruelty from the world and then projecting it outwards.

Imagine if someone else is struggling in a similar fashion and reads that having suicidal thoughts or depression means they are "weak". Will they then rise to the occasion and decide to get strong? More likely they will simply feed their own negativity and say, "yes I'm weak" and then feel even worse. What they need is a doorway out of the negativity and self-inflicted pain.

I've struggled with my own share of negative thoughts and I would say the best skill I've learned to handle them comes from eastern philosophy and that is to disidentify with your own mind. Too often we accept our thoughts as being "ourselves" and assume they are "true" but in reality the mind will deceive itself. Your own brain can and will lie to you.

I believe depression is a physical condition caused by negative thinking which starts from identifying with a negative thought pattern. These are often recurring thought patterns which someone lives with for years. They may not always be active but negative events can re-trigger them. Once you recognize this in yourself you can teach yourself not to identify with them. Over time they do diminish and you'll have an increasing sense of inner tranquility.

The brain is quite a special organ in that it is actually capable of changing itself.

Ok, so i've read through this entire thread already and i've seen the guys' last post.

I've got a public confession to make...Apparently, by the standards of this board i am one of the "weak". I'm heading tomorrow morning to a center to see about an appointment for getting meds and seeing a psychologist/psychiatrist for issues that have tormented me since i was a child. This past month i've been seeing a therapist and we both agreed that being committed would be a good idea but i don't have any real insurance so the snakepits which are the public mental health system are the only thing out there. Naturally, we think they are a shitty idea and little to no help.

For many people, life is not just a walk in the park. And for those of you with the "Man Up or "Harden The Fuck Up" slogans i have to laugh sometimes. Sometimes it's just not so easy or straightforward. I'm also big on those things myself but acknowledging the reality of the big picture means i have to take drastic action in a systematic fashion.

It never seems that way when you're in the middle of it, but it is that easy and straightforward. I was diagnosed with clinical depression and on antidepressants for over a decade before I realized they were ruining my motivation to do anything. When you're always artificially content from taking a pill you're less likely to try new things and step outside your box. I just got off them in the last six months, in fact, and I feel like an entirely different person already.

Before you get on antis try to fix your nutrition, get exercise, eat right, and sleep right. Get your testosterone levels checked and bloodwork done. Most of all, control your emotions as best you can.

And my dog died last night. You get better at just accepting that shit happens and moving on if you practice at it a lot.

[JustlookingForAGoodTime]

(02-13-2015 02:49 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 02:29 PM)JustlookingForAGoodTime Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 12:11 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

I feel saddened anytime I hear of someone killing themselves. Saying "good riddance and thanks for narrowing the gene pool" or whatever seems to me like one is internalizing a feeling of cruelty from the world and then projecting it outwards.

Imagine if someone else is struggling in a similar fashion and reads that having suicidal thoughts or depression means they are "weak". Will they then rise to the occasion and decide to get strong? More likely they will simply feed their own negativity and say, "yes I'm weak" and then feel even worse. What they need is a doorway out of the negativity and self-inflicted pain.

I've struggled with my own share of negative thoughts and I would say the best skill I've learned to handle them comes from eastern philosophy and that is to disidentify with your own mind. Too often we accept our thoughts as being "ourselves" and assume they are "true" but in reality the mind will deceive itself. Your own brain can and will lie to you.

I believe depression is a physical condition caused by negative thinking which starts from identifying with a negative thought pattern. These are often recurring thought patterns which someone lives with for years. They may not always be active but negative events can re-trigger them. Once you recognize this in yourself you can teach yourself not to identify with them. Over time they do diminish and you'll have an increasing sense of inner tranquility.

The brain is quite a special organ in that it is actually capable of changing itself.

Ok, so i've read through this entire thread already and i've seen the guys' last post.

I've got a public confession to make...Apparently, by the standards of this board i am one of the "weak". I'm heading tomorrow morning to a center to see about an appointment for getting meds and seeing a psychologist/psychiatrist for issues that have tormented me since i was a child. This past month i've been seeing a therapist and we both agreed that being committed would be a good idea but i don't have any real insurance so the snakepits which are the public mental health system are the only thing out there. Naturally, we think they are a shitty idea and little to no help.

For many people, life is not just a walk in the park. And for those of you with the "Man Up or "Harden The Fuck Up" slogans i have to laugh sometimes. Sometimes it's just not so easy or straightforward. I'm also big on those things myself but acknowledging the reality of the big picture means i have to take drastic action in a systematic fashion.

It never seems that way when you're in the middle of it, but it is that easy and straightforward. I was diagnosed with clinical depression and on antidepressants for over a decade before I realized they were ruining my motivation to do anything. When you're always artificially content from taking a pill you're less likely to try new things and step outside your box. I just got off them in the last six months, in fact, and I feel like an entirely different person already.

Before you get on antis try to fix your nutrition, get exercise, eat right, and sleep right. Get your testosterone levels checked and bloodwork done. Most of all, control your emotions as best you can.

And my dog died last night. You get better at just accepting that shit happens and moving on if you practice at it a lot.

Wastelander,

I pretty much agree with what you said but we all have our ways.

I recently had my first full medical checkup since the 1980s and internally i'm fine even if physically my body is pretty beat up and i need surgery to fix my knees. Over the last month i've gone low carb and taking a bunch of supplements and they have done lots of good.

What's still in the air is life in a post alcohol world. That was my drug of choice and i was a monsterous drinker for well over half my life. It was my pleasure as well as my crutch and now slightly over a year of being sober i've yet to actually go out into the world amongst total strangers as to be dead honest, i don't have a clue what to do socially that doesn't involve bars, clubs, gigs, etc without alcohol. I also am not sure exactly where i fit in this current world. To be frank, i sometimes find myself wondering who and what i am.

Seriously.

About the only thing i positively know i can function well at sober is cash game poker. In tournaments i freeze at higher levels since i've yet to figure out how to keep things in check when the pressure really builds. In a cash game i just have to wait it out until some clueless donk tries to make a move while drawing dead. It's so much easier and the pressure isn't as bad. However, high risk/high reward favors tournaments and not low level cash if you really want to make money.

As far as i'm concerned, for my life to be what i consider acceptable i've pretty much run out of time and options. I'm trying for one last shot.

[godfather dust]

(02-13-2015 08:38 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Men may need coping skills to help them bide their time for their opportunity, that is just round the corner. Part of me thinks maybe coping skills is just counselor/femenist drivel though. I like to think that information is better.

Coping skills are great. I have some problems sometimes and I use them. Mine are lifting weights, working on music, playing sports, walking around with my headphones on, chilling with my dogs, hanging with friends, etc.

I stopped fucking with therapists and all that years ago because psychiatry/psychology is junk science and they rub elbows with the pharmaceutical companies too much, trying to feed you brainwash pills.

And yes, the counselors will give you idiotic coping skills, if at all. For example, one I heard more than once is "put a rubber band on your wrist and snap it." What the fuck is that supposed to do?

[philosophical_recovery]

(02-13-2015 09:04 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

And yes, the counselors will give you idiotic coping skills, if at all. For example, one I heard more than once is "put a rubber band on your wrist and snap it." What the fuck is that supposed to do?

The idea behind that is negative reinforcement of bad habits. In that case, they were saying that when you found yourself having negative thoughts or thoughts that begin to lead where you don't want to be, is to snap the rubber band on your wrist, inflicting pain, and associating that pain with the negative thought. In that sense, it can be useful, but like mindfulness in general it requires meta-thinking that ultimately leads to a meta-mindset, instead of being stuck in the deep ruts of a routine that you are trying to avoid. It's still a difficult thing to do, even with that aid, which is why it probably sounded strange to you.


Aside from that, this thread surprised me. I've learned a lot, and had to re-evaluate my own behavior, both here, and elsewhere, in regard to what I have read.

I'm not suicidal, and I'm not someone that would find myself showing up on the radar if I did die or off myself somehow, but I do have it pretty good compared to most. It could always be better. I'm still constantly having to push myself to keep going further, as it's easy to become complacent when, relative to others, you have it pretty good. But, there's always going to be something out there that I don't have, and I'll probably always struggle for it.

Even if I go banging as many foreign women as Roosh has, I'm still going to run into situations that I'm going to either destroy by accident (such as his Mariana from A Dead Bat in Paraguay) or I'll find myself wondering if I can do better. It's happened every time, with every woman I've been with, and I've always asked myself what would happen if I would settle with a particular woman (I think it's around 30 notches now, for whatever that's worth). It's lead myself to more risky behavior (no condom, sure, I can afford a kid now, do a paternity test, and game the hell out of here if I screw up and get her pregnant...so I tell myself anyway) in some cases just because I want something different, dammit, and I'm not going to live forever, and younger girls that haven't slept with a whole superbowl's worth of men are genuinely in short supply in the west.

Happiness is a pursuit, and this guy decided to give up all the difficulty of pursuing, because he had reached his bottom. He expected to one day, wake up and say "I've got it, everything I wanted, and I am happy". That feeling will always be short lived. He probably even felt it when he made his last meal, because his worry of the next real struggle, other than completing his immediate and final goal, because he took pleasure in making great meals like that.

I don't know exactly what I'm trying to say here, other than, great discussion, and I'd rather be here having this commentary with RVF and helping the men I know in real life struggle with me, even if they're Omegas/Betas that have been totally chewed up and spit out by the surrounding culture in decline. Life is always going to be some sort of struggle, and this is an existential one. That's much better than becoming the chubby, beer swilling, incredibly indebted and snarky, bitter professional I seem to run into on a regular basis, or someone totally plugged into pop culture. Bring on the struggle, because I don't feel right without it, anymore.


Edited because I wanted to include a relevant clip from Gattaca. The protagonist genetically was inferior to everyone in power in his modern society, but he was by no means inferior.

This is a SPOILER if you haven't already seen it, so be warned:

[Peregrine]

Also a spoiler I suppose. Watch the freakin' movie.

Quote:

Edited because I wanted to include a relevant clip from Gattaca. The protagonist genetically was inferior to everyone in power in his modern society, but he was by no means inferior.

Gattaca is one of my favorite movies of all time.

An individual's psyche is everything. Vincent, a weak man in everything but spirit, was able to realize his dream. Jerome, a strong man in everything but spirit, failed to realize his dream.

You might look at Wilkes McDermid and see a guy with lots of potential. And I suppose he was. But on the inside, he couldn't or wouldn't fight anymore. Not everyone is born with a fighting spirit. When I look at his eyes, I don't see it in him.

There's no shame in that.

[speakeasy]

I'm just now seeing this thread for the first time. Damn. Dude just straight killed himself because he couldn't get white girls. All I can say is that it must feel stellar to be a white girl in this day and age. Dudes are literally killing themselves over you.

This guy thinks Darwinism is why he can't get laid, but can't reconcile that with the fact that 1 in 4 humans is Chinese.

It's a tragedy but I don't feel sorry for this guy. This is a perfect example of being way too fucking caught up in your own head, as best exemplified by his FAQ where he basically debates himself on why he should die. It's clear that he is very intelligent and being really caught up in your head is a pitfall that intelligent men have to be vigilant against. A low IQ guy is never going to write a fucking treatise on why he should die.

[samsamsam]

(02-21-2015 06:35 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I'm just now seeing this thread for the first time. Damn. Dude just straight killed himself because he couldn't get white girls. All I can say is that it must feel stellar to be a white girl in this day and age. Dudes are literally killing themselves over you.

This guy thinks Darwinism is why he can't get laid, but can't reconcile that with the fact that 1 in 4 humans is Chinese.

It's a tragedy but I don't feel sorry for this guy. This is a perfect example of being way too fucking caught up in your own head, as best exemplified by his FAQ where he basically debates himself on why he should die. It's clear that he is very intelligent and being really caught up in your head is a pitfall that intelligent men have to be vigilant against. A low IQ guy is never going to write a fucking treatise on why he should die.

I think intelligence can be a blessing and a curse. That expression ignorance is bliss is a great line. I knew one dumb fuck who thought everyone was checking him out, even though that wasn't the case. But it gave him a lot of cockiness (I won't say confidence that is something that is earned, supportable). A lot of smart guys spin in their heads too much.

The problem with this poor soul that killed himself was he didn't use his intelligence to help him. I didn't read all his stuff but I bet he crunched he data he had rather than look for new data or focus on what worked for the guys that were in a position he wanted to be in.

An old consulting firm had this picture of a glass of water and the expression wasn't something about half empty or full but that there must be another glass of water. He didn't look for another solution, so his intelligence didn't seem to be situationally aware or flexible.

I feel bad for the guy. As much as I rail about idiots doing stupid stuff and they deserved their deaths, etc. There are people in their lives that suffer when someone leaves this planet under these circumstances.

If anyone if ever gets to this point on RVF post something, there is always another glass of water gentlemen. As long as you are sincere and genuine there are some giants on this forum who I am sure (at least one of them) will guide you out of the desert. Though I have met only a handful of the guys on this forum, I'd hate to have anyone here be this hopeless. But you have to be willing to do the work. And the work may seem daunting at times, but just start with one small step, break down the monstrous problem into the smallest component.

[JustlookingForAGoodTime]

I actually searched around a bit on this guy and i found his profile on a poker site, and among his interests he had NLP. Makes one wonder if he tried something along those lines but couldn't quite get the proper feedback and so abandoned that approach.

[philosophical_recovery]

(02-21-2015 08:17 PM)JustlookingForAGoodTime Wrote:  

I actually searched around a bit on this guy and i found his profile on a poker site, and among his interests he had NLP. Makes one wonder if he tried something along those lines but couldn't quite get the proper feedback and so abandoned that approach.

I first learned about PU Artistry well back in my bluepill days, and read a little bit of it, around the edges. I was morally opposed to the whole idea at the time, so I actually refused to really read the forums in depth. I think I might have tried, saw some threads, had a kneejerk reaction of disgust, and turned away for good.

A few thoughts put in my head due to some more mainstream authors, as well as upsets over various breakups made me stumble across Roissy by sheer chance, and it was the right thing at the right time to push me through the bitter taste that was unpalatable to me at the time.

I don't think he got that far. I tried reading his blog, and skimmed through most of it. He did, however, seem to have started the process of killing himself two years before (or three, I read it a while ago). In his writing, he seemed familiar with parts of what we would call "red pill" but they were all the negative portions.

To some extent, we see what we want to see and let other ideas on the edges of our perception slip us by, not really understanding them. He may have been so wedged into his niche worldview that real change wasn't getting through to him quickly enough.

That's my thought, anyway.

[TonySandos]

I read this man's suicide letter in entirety.


The bottom line is he couldn't have been helped except by intervention of close companions mixed with professional help. A huge detail that appeared to be missed by many of the men who've posted in this thread was not that he had an obsession with white women, but he wanted life to promise him marital success in a world currently in upheaval in its sexual dynamics.

Only a handful of members seemed to notice that.
The Darwinism angle appears as only an excuse he used to save his dignity after death. He was very intelligent, but willfully naïve on marriage outcomes for the best of us, which made me wonder if this man truly didn't like life for what it was.
I've come to the ugly realizations myself that:
-most of life will be marked by pain, setbacks, disappointment and drudgeries
-There's a great chance that I'll never partner with a woman who I want to love me the way I'd want it to happen
-I may never achieve success as defined by my own terms
-The maladies of reality could leave me disfigured, helpless, in constant pain, shamed, abandoned, banished or dead at any moment

He seemed genuinely incapable of being able to overcome reality after he processed some of these truths, so he took an exit. As one intelligent person to another, I can understand were the fatalism and 'shrinking world view' comes from, but you'll never be happy if you accept the thought that there's no better alternative to be discovered or stop striving and pioneering for one. I've battled depression myself over many other reasons that only sometimes included women. I've had a few friends kill themselves and I can say with confidence-some people can't be stopped except under rare circumstances.

[Soothesayer]

What this guy really needed was a trip to the Philippines. Preferably one of the smaller out of the way places like Dumaguete (lots of expats there for advice) or Davao. I believe that would have changed his entire outlook on life, just as the Red Pill changed Neo's life forever. I still remember the line Neo gave Morpheus.

Neo: "I can't go back, can I..."
Morpheus: "Would you want to, if you could?"

[infowarrior1]

(02-10-2015 05:45 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

In before the litany of attention-whoring bitches steps up to say they "would have dated him in a second!"

(02-10-2015 04:55 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

If he would have spent half as much energy on game as he did food blogging, he could have at least had a mini-harem of 6s. Enough to satisfy his yearnings for female contact.

But of course, game is pua and pua is creepy and creepy makes girls uncomfortable and girls being uncomfortable is illegal. I believe the stigma against game is strong enough to keep men away from the tools that would drastically improve their lives and happiness.

While I'm the first to say that game and the manosphere are unfairly demonized--and that poor guys like this blogger are the collateral damage of that characterization--we're also partly to blame. Guys like us are the inheritors of the practical, non-commercial, regular-guy self-improvement (game) mantle--the best, and maybe only, alternative to salesy Youtubers with actresses in their "real daygame" videos and expensive coaching packages for sale. Yet we've lost sight of the important things.

Instead of spending so much time and energy talking about the apocalyptic "fall of civilization," the life-and-death struggle with "Social Justice Warriors," how "Muslim infiltration" is destroying "Western Civilization," and that restaurants being allowed to deny black people service is the height of the "free market working as it should," we should be focusing on reaching guys like this. Rather, I find us (rather foolhardily) trying to make some kind of wholesale ideological change from the comfort of our laptops. It may feel good to read and say something so unpopular and so verboten, but that short-term contrarian pleasure is siphoning energy--and, more importantly, sympathetic hearts and minds--from our little corner of the world. The wrong voices are getting louder, while the more articulate and pragmatic ones are getting fainter. Don't get me wrong: there's nothing wrong with a bit of social commentary, and taking unpopular opinions; I've always supported that. But we're not doing ourselves any favors by embracing an increasingly fringe status and heavy, even angry and uninformed, tone. Some time ago, I did an AMA on the "redpill" sub-reddit. In it, I was asked what I considered to be "the manophere's biggest weaknesses going forward." I warned that giving the wrong views, or people, too much of a platform would stunt the manosphere's growth, even discredit it altogether. We might never have reached this particular poor bastard, but guys like him are our growth, and I see some of what I said coming to pass.

The way to "win" is to bring in and help the men that this Brave New World is leaving behind--not just trying to say increasingly crazier shit so that we can remain opposite of what the "Cultural Marxists," the so-called "Left", or the "SJWs" are saying. Important words are losing their meaning, and we're churning out incoherent labels faster than some of the people we hold in such low esteem.

I, for one, think we're losing focus. This is a good reminder of that.

There must be a way to ensue that the manosphere as a whole is firmly grounded in reality avoiding the descent into nutso land, mentally resillent and stoic in its philosophy so that even though much stuff happens negative as well as positive that we will be able to cope. And relentless focused on arete.

I appreciate your efforts to police this forum Tuthmosis.