[Greek kamaki]

(05-08-2013 09:14 AM)michelin Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 05:30 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I already have 4-5 girls in Poland ready to open their legs for me once I appear.I expect the reaction to be grotesque.Usually they do not tolerate individuals like us.Action brings reaction.For sure I would get my head smashed if I stayed in Poland for long.But this country has a crucial advantage over Russia.It is a country where you can enter and exit easily while in the latter exit is a problem(you enter easily but you have to overcome every possible obstacle to exit).

So you just draw on old numbers saved in your database? Or do you plan to run new game?
Daygame / nightgame?

They are internet contacts who have agreed on everything.Yesterday I fingered one of them.I have multiple ones in various polish cities.The situation is that on the ground especially by daygame you easily land much better quality as is the case in Ukraine. So one always faces this dilemma should I expand my portfolio or exploit all my internet contacts (who may be infinite).
Nightgame works in relatively bigger cities like Poznan, Wroclaw where many girls are students who come from villages and have limited social circle.It does not work as well in smaller cities like Sczesczin where tight social circle pressure does not let the girls proclaim their love towards foreigners in night club environment.

[aphelion]

A+ trip report, would read again.

Will be having one of my own starting in a few days

[Apocalyptica]

(05-08-2013 09:21 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I like this sheet.

(05-03-2013 06:08 AM)Apocalyptica Wrote:  

Accommodation: I booked a flat right on the main square using Airbnb. Cheap as hell, and within walking distance of all the clubs. 2 clubs were actually right besides my flat, incredible.

What street is this?

Quote:

plac leopoldny

Where the hell is this?

Nothing comes up when you type it in to Google.

Maybe some Swedish Bar in NYC or something.

The place i mentioned with those clubs is located in Ruska street (ul. Ruska). Follow Ruska street and on your left hand side you'll see a small path leading to a square which is full of clubs (no fancy clubs but student-bars who have all a large dancefloor).

The street where i was staying which was next to clubs is called Kuznicza street.

[Greek kamaki]

Now the best clubs in Wroclaw as far as girls density is regarded are Cherry and Teatr.There is also distinct meathead presence especially in Teatr,all crowd is polish and the show off girls etc are the hottest available(clubs use some rather hot girls in passive roles to attract clientele.
Been also to some other clubs but they gather much less people though girls there can show interest.
A lot of polish girls in the clubs go for the meathead type of guy(think stocky,with extra fat aka Bulgarian neck,chain similar to what Serbian guys wear as the only jewelry,protruded chest and piston biceps in open view under the tight blouse.
Most polish guys have short hair to avoid spending on the hairdresser.They also wear sneakers,simple blouses and generally they are dressed very simple.like workers.Their power resides in physical appearance they do not use clothing for enhancement.They also seldom dance with girls unless late in the night when they have drunk enough and go for the picking.It is supposed that the girls who stay till late are DTF.
In this case polish guys can be rather aggressive grabbing girls from the hand spinning them around etc but generally moving when they are in the mood.Some guys have two or three girlfriends at the same time(they are usually very attractive guys which is rare in Poland).
In slavic countries women are allowed to be women and do their own thing be it dancing,petting,whoring or whatever. There is power of women in Poland.
In general Poland is a soft country but once you get to meet the harsh slavic situation it is really harsh.Polish guys have reacted.

[Mumbojumbo]

(08-25-2012 04:52 AM)Rurik Wrote:  

I went to cafe manana, got there at about 10pm left at about 12:30am. did about 6-7 approaches. One didn't speak english, another one gave me a weird look. The other 5 hooked for at least a bit. I wasn't really running much game, just trying to play up that I'm a foreigner. I was dressed well, and even made-up my hair with some pomade.

the venue was decent until about 11:30, when it went from being a little underpopulated, to completely jam packed, with no room to dance, get to the bar, or go through to the bathroom.

Early on, I was posted up by the bar, and macking on everything that came to get a drink. the problem was that girls were taking their drinks immediately and moving to another area, unlike what roosh was saying in his latest video that you should wait for the girl to get the drink, that would have not been good strategy here.

The interactions were short. Dance floor game seems to matter here quite a bit. My dance floor game is basically non-existent.

Honestly, I don't really know what to make of poland. It doesn't seem that great. You still need game, and you need to approach, and if you don't dance you're at a distinct disadvantage.

I've been reading bang poland, trying to make sense of things. Roosh says that he got one night stands during the summer in Wroclaw, but then goes on to say that going to poland in summer is not a good choice. At other points he talks about going for weeks without getting a girl, but then mentions getting lots of one night stands. what makes the difference in poland?

Also, I've been using badoo and it's pretty worthless. good luck getting a girl off of that.

I'm in Wroclaw for 2 days now. Here's my update:

- Cafe Manana was as written above, pretty empty until 11.30 PM and then suddenly crowded on the dance floor, rather bad ratio
- Insomnia was empty at midnight and so were all the clubs around it on a Friday
- Cherry Club has like a dozen people

Maybe the crowd has moved on or it's just exams time for many students?

I did a number of approaches during the day and outside these clubs to warm up. Things easily become a monologue here. Girls listen in, acknowledge and nod but never ask anything beyond 'where are you from'. Maybe they have been jaded by all of the forum members here of by Polish PUAs. I'm usually getting a phone number 80% of the time anywhere in the world - but here I have run out of ramble so far after 5-10 minutes many times. Even the CS chick did not want to give me her phone number but was willing to drink with me

It seems I have to calibrate my approach here - recommendations welcome!

[Greek kamaki]

I had the same problem in the beginning.The key is to say the basics what the girls expect to hear.

[Pierre]

If Wroclaw is no better than Krakow then I think I will give it a wide berth. I have been to Krakow a few times and as far as I can see Poland has the worst women of any Eastern European country I have been to

[EU Explorer]

(06-15-2013 02:59 PM)Pierre Wrote:  

If Wroclaw is no better than Krakow then I think I will give it a wide berth. I have been to Krakow a few times and as far as I can see Poland has the worst women of any Eastern European country I have been to

No problem Kamaki and myself will work our way through all those horrible ugly Polish women...please have sympathy for our dreadful taste in women

[Greek kamaki]

For quality of life CR is way better.Way better food,architecture,culture than Poland.The polish club experience just cannot be compared though.
What is more slavic situations are appealing to the senses.You feel so comfortable in slavic countries one of the reasons being they are beautiful people.You also do not get this constant pressure and competition as in Germany.(how you recognize Germans in slavic countries?They will not give you one inch of space to pass by they just stand taking all the space).

[Mumbojumbo]

I went back for a Saturday night at Cafe Manana. Much better quality and ratios. Easily 1:1, maybe better. Made 2 approaches resulting in two makeouts (one after venue change).

However girl number one was going home early with her friends. Once I realized I could not convince her otherwise I was asking for her number and she refused to give me her number. Phone numbers are like state secrets here.

Girl number 2 was a stunning slim blonde. Easily an 8 with a bright mind as well. Got her number at least with a long kiss

Wroclaw is really all about night game - there are plenty of beautiful girls here. I think SNLs are possible (maybe easier than getting her number haha). The club scene really supports approaches even with little dance skills. Girls have almost no bitch shield and while numbers are hard to get it's fun to approach girls here.

I'm not sure about day game - girls are so friendly at night and hardly give out phone numbers so it seems it's not very useful here.

Guess each place needs calibration - I'd happily go back.

[dontuan]

Be careful. A lot of guys fall into the trap of making out with girls at the club and then never being able to see the girl again. Just about every foreigner I met here has had that experience of making out with a ton of hot girls and in the end not getting laid. One Turkish guy I met said he stopped making out with polish girls at clubs after a few months because he was sick and tired of the false promises.

I also don't do it anymore because more often than not they'll put you in the category of kiss and forget. So in essence, you're trading off potential sex in the long run for some short term cheap thrill of kissing. If you're here for the long term, I'd advise against it.

(06-16-2013 05:52 AM)Mumbojumbo Wrote:  

I went back for a Saturday night at Cafe Manana. Much better quality and ratios. Easily 1:1, maybe better. Made 2 approaches resulting in two makeouts (one after venue change).

However girl number one was going home early with her friends. Once I realized I could not convince her otherwise I was asking for her number and she refused to give me her number. Phone numbers are like state secrets here.

Girl number 2 was a stunning slim blonde. Easily an 8 with a bright mind as well. Got her number at least with a long kiss

Wroclaw is really all about night game - there are plenty of beautiful girls here. I think SNLs are possible (maybe easier than getting her number haha). The club scene really supports approaches even with little dance skills. Girls have almost no bitch shield and while numbers are hard to get it's fun to approach girls here.

I'm not sure about day game - girls are so friendly at night and hardly give out phone numbers so it seems it's not very useful here.

Guess each place needs calibration - I'd happily go back.

[Greek kamaki]

I need to test Wroclaw again.Last time I caused lots of unwanted attention and guys were always on fire to steal my targets.
I get very easily numbers by day game when there is no male competition.At night it is a war.But it I s very interesting like challenge.

[XXL]

make outs are meaningless. same as grinding or any kind of hard physical interactivity. it's nothing but fool's gold for you & buyer's remorse for her.

you're nobody to the girl inside the venue. you become somebody only once you leave outside together. cause the chaos/trance is gone and then it's "us" time. even if you just leave to eat on the street, there you are, one on one with the girl who feels comfortable with you. even if she's with friends, if you're welcome enough to leave with them you're good. getting outside together is the real signal of interest. beside, it's an investment for a girl.

that one small step outside for you is big leap for her

[Greek kamaki]

First of all polish girls always dance erotically with lots of grinding so one gets the impression of a make out by just dancing with the girl.Some girls also like to kiss several guys in the raw.It means nothing.
By my recent connoisseurisms in Poland in last month being there only on weekend I managed to finger two girls in public(disco,restaurant) but then shopping requirements from their side followed.So indeed they give you a taste before but to close the deal you need to somehow push the kasa.

[Roosh]

You guys are making it seem like makeouts in Poland are as meaningless in Brazil. Don't think I can agree with that.

I've never been denied of asking for a number after a makeout.

[XXL]

I don't doubt that ^^. It's just to me numbers mean something only if me and the girl can leave outside. I had plenty of too friendly interactions [random friendly chit chat] and sexual interactions [fast spontaneous physicality and makeouts] in clubs/bars that ended with a spontaneous pity phone number. Like taking a chewing gum from a girl and expecting her to be responsive the day after.


I met my exgf in the club at 3am on the dancefloor. We danced a bit and then chilled spending one hour together. Then she and her friends had to leave to her house. Even though I knew nothing could happen that night I left with them. I was gentleman, played their bodyguard and made it clear that I didn't hope for anything. On the way there we bought few beers and talked shit. At some point me and her were walking 'together' and that's when I took her phone number [in case I couldn't go to her house, it's girls so who knows right haha?]. Next day I called and it was quite smooth sailing.

I could have stayed there to take her number and game on the phone But let's face it, TO HER I was nothing but another random dude she met. She would get my text next day thinking Huh? The dude from the party.. Who's he? Is this the one with red shirt? Do I want to meet him again? Umm.. Flake.


In short..
- At night, no matter when and where I take numbers, I want to take these interactions outside the party to make it more 'real'.
- If I want to see the girl in following days I see no point in escalating & kissing & doing anything that can trigger buyer's remorse / moral hangover before our date.

[samsamsam]

Sirob's great report is a couple years old, just wondering from some of you who have been there recently if most of it is pretty solid still. Thank god for this forum and the knowledge shared.

[uni]

Here you can find all the clubs, a lot of reviews for each,
and many other details which will be very useful for anyone
coming here :

http://www.local-life.com/wroclaw/pubs/az

Put the info to good use, guys

[Nom_De_Guerre]

Sirob’s report is AMAZING. Very, very helpful.

I’ve just spent my first weekend in Wroclaw. Below are my impressions. FYI, I’m rolling dolo, I’m a good looking guy in my 30s, and I only speak like 3 phrases in Polish.

As everyone has said, Manana is a solid spot. It’s easy to chat up girls as they come to the bar for drinks, and then transition to the dance floor. The only drawback is that the crowd seems older (mostly over 25). I went here both Friday and Saturday night.

Friday, I did about 6 approaches at the bar. The one that went best was when I chatted up a very cute 25 yo accountant (only in EE). We talked for about an hour, danced, and playfully touched, but I got cock-blocked by her three friends. Also, I went outside to walk around and this one very large breasted Polish girl in a very short skirt was eye-fucking me. She was also very drunk. I approached, and she kept calling me pretty boy, and telling me how beautiful I am. She said that I was so beautiful that she had to kiss me, so we playfully started kissing. Then she kept saying that she couldn’t, she couldn’t, and her friend eventually pulled her away.

The next night I also did about 6 approaches at Manana. The best went when I talked to two law students. One was very sexy, with a big ass and big tits. The other was pretty, but VERY tall, about 6 feet. I didn’t notice when I approached because she was sitting down. I talked and danced with both for about 2 hours, with the one girl grinding her sizable derrière into my crotch. But eventually the non-giant left me with her friend. I wasn’t down for mountain climbing, so I ejected.

Again, on the street out front, I approached two girls, probably mid-twenties, but very attractive. I chatted with them for about ten minutes. Eventually, I brought up Polish girls’ obsession with Spanish guys, and asked why. The one girl said that they’re very handsome because of their dark hairs and dark eyes. I smiled, and pointed at my hair and eyes (I’m half Italian, so I have darker complexion). She looked at me, gently caressed my face, then turned away and squatted down, almost as if she was in pain, all the while saying, “I can’t, I can’t.” Eventually, her friend literally pulled her away and she waved at me over her shoulder.

Needless to say, after getting two such positive reactions on consecutive nights, and then walking home with nothing, I was a little disheartened.

Generally, I think you SNLs are very possible here, but you need a little more knowledge of Polish than I have.

Other random thoughts:

Far and away the best hits I had came approaching girls on the street. I would ask them if they knew some place (e.g., Manana), ask what they though of it, where they are going, etc., and then follow them in. I didn’t really ever get blown out in bars, but the girls had much higher bitch shields when I approached in the bar as opposed to on the street. I approached 2 students (20 y/o max) my first night (a Wednesday) and ended up going with them to Mundo 71 on Ruska street. All I got was a number from one, but still. Also, I did the exact same thing with two similar girls on Saturday. They were in the main square drinking from a juice box, and I ended up going with them to Casa de la Musica (they eventually split on me, but that’s another story).

I'm going to have to figure out how to deal with two girls, both when both are cute and the hottie/mother hen pairing. With the hottie/mother hen, I would usually be super nice to the mother hen, while negging and escalating with kino on the hottie. But negging doesn't seem to be a good strategy with Polish girls. With the two hotties, I've been trying to divide my attention between the both, so neither one gets bored and sabotages me. That hasn't really worked, so i might just concentrate on one and hope for the best.

The "sex, drugs and rock & roll" response to "why are you here?" is an utter killer. I've had three girls politely exit after using it, and dampened at least two other sets. I'm going to stick with "to bring home a Polish girl to give me a bunch of Polish babies." It has been much more well-received.

The crowd at Casa de la Musica was around mid-40s. Not my scene. And they weren’t playing salsa, just regular top 40 crap. They eventually played some merengue, but it’s not a great salsa place.

I checked out Mundo 71 again on Saturday. It was really, really awful. It was a 20 zolty cover. As soon as I walked in, somebody got in a fight and got pounced on by the bouncers. Then I went to the bathroom, and some drunk dude smashed the door. Just about every dude in there looked ready for a fight. There was some nice tail, but not worth staying. I’ve heard that it is the only place with people from Sunday to Wednesday, so I might go back. But never again on Friday or Saturday.

Incidentally, all the places on Ruska were charging cover. So, unlike Krakow (and what Roosh suggested in Bang Poland), you can’t just go from place to place.

Also, the number of lame guys with really, really cute girls here is just stupid. These guys really did luck out being born here.

[Nom_De_Guerre]

Sirob’s report is AMAZING. Very, very helpful.

I’ve just spent my first weekend in Wroclaw. Below are my impressions. FYI, I’m rolling dolo, I’m a good looking guy in my 30s, and I only speak like 3 phrases in Polish.

As everyone has said, Manana is a solid spot. It’s easy to chat up girls as they come to the bar for drinks, and then transition to the dance floor. The only drawback is that the crowd seems older (mostly over 25). I went here both Friday and Saturday night.

Friday, I did about 6 approaches at the bar. The one that went best was when I chatted up a very cute 25 yo accountant (only in EE). We talked for about an hour, danced, and playfully touched, but I got cock-blocked by her three friends. Also, I went outside to walk around and this one very large breasted Polish girl in a very short skirt was eye-fucking me. She was also very drunk. I approached, and she kept calling me pretty boy, and telling me how beautiful I am. She said that I was so beautiful that she had to kiss me, so we playfully started kissing. Then she kept saying that she couldn’t, she couldn’t, and her friend eventually pulled her away.

The next night I also did about 6 approaches at Manana. The best went when I talked to two law students. One was very sexy, with a big ass and big tits. The other was pretty, but VERY tall, about 6 feet. I didn’t notice when I approached because she was sitting down. I talked and danced with both for about 2 hours, with the one girl grinding her sizable derrière into my crotch. But eventually the non-giant left me with her friend. I wasn’t down for mountain climbing, so I ejected.

Again, on the street out front, I approached two girls, probably mid-twenties, but very attractive. I chatted with them for about ten minutes. Eventually, I brought up Polish girls’ obsession with Spanish guys, and asked why. The one girl said that they’re very handsome because of their dark hairs and dark eyes. I smiled, and pointed at my hair and eyes (I’m half Italian, so I have darker complexion). She looked at me, gently caressed my face, then turned away and squatted down, almost as if she was in pain, all the while saying, “I can’t, I can’t.” Eventually, her friend literally pulled her away and she waved at me over her shoulder.

Needless to say, after getting two such positive reactions on consecutive nights, and then walking home with nothing, I was a little disheartened.

Generally, I think you SNLs are very possible here, but you need a little more knowledge of Polish than I have.

Other random thoughts:

Far and away the best hits I had came approaching girls on the street. I would ask them if they knew some place (e.g., Manana), ask what they though of it, where they are going, etc., and then follow them in. I didn’t really ever get blown out in bars, but the girls had much higher bitch shields when I approached in the bar as opposed to on the street. I approached 2 students (20 y/o max) my first night (a Wednesday) and ended up going with them to Mundo 71 on Ruska street. All I got was a number from one, but still. Also, I did the exact same thing with two similar girls on Saturday. They were in the main square drinking from a juice box, and I ended up going with them to Casa de la Musica (they eventually split on me, but that’s another story).

I'm going to have to figure out how to deal with two girls, both when both are cute and the hottie/mother hen pairing. With the hottie/mother hen, I would usually be super nice to the mother hen, while negging and escalating with kino on the hottie. But negging doesn't seem to be a good strategy with Polish girls. With the two hotties, I've been trying to divide my attention between the both, so neither one gets bored and sabotages me. That hasn't really worked, so i might just concentrate on one and hope for the best.

The "sex, drugs and rock & roll" response to "why are you here?" is an utter killer. I've had three girls politely exit after using it, and dampened at least two other sets. I'm going to stick with "to bring home a Polish girl to give me a bunch of Polish babies." It has been much more well-received.

The crowd at Casa de la Musica was around mid-40s. Not my scene. And they weren’t playing salsa, just regular top 40 crap. They eventually played some merengue, but it’s not a great salsa place.

I checked out Mundo 71 again on Saturday. It was really, really awful. It was a 20 zolty cover. As soon as I walked in, somebody got in a fight and got pounced on by the bouncers. Then I went to the bathroom, and some drunk dude smashed the door. Just about every dude in there looked ready for a fight. There was some nice tail, but not worth staying. I’ve heard that it is the only place with people from Sunday to Wednesday, so I might go back. But never again on Friday or Saturday.

Incidentally, all the places on Ruska were charging cover. So, unlike Krakow (and what Roosh suggested in Bang Poland), you can’t just go from place to place.

Also, the number of lame guys with really, really cute girls here is just stupid. These guys really did luck out being born here.

[Greek kamaki]

You should try Cherry and Teatr to compete directly against the polish guys.I also noticed lots of resistance in clubs.If you speak polish it can backfire because they think you are a Pole who pretends to be foreigner to get girls.Not so during the day.Generally in Wroclaw social circles play big time since most students have plenty of time and create big networks by socializing (you see groups of 10 girls coming together meaning less possibilities to hit without being noticed).

[Brosemite]

(08-12-2013 01:12 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

You should try Cherry and Teatr to compete directly against the polish guys.I also noticed lots of resistance in clubs.If you speak polish it can backfire because they think you are a Pole who pretends to be foreigner to get girls.Not so during the day.Generally in Wroclaw social circles play big time since most students have plenty of time and create big networks by socializing (you see groups of 10 girls coming together meaning less possibilities to hit without being noticed).

Is Cherry the underground club that is kind of expensive with people buying bottles? I think I may have been there before (If that's the place...well I struggled).

[Greek kamaki]

I visited all clubs in Wrocław in a row and the ones with decent densities were Teatr and Cherry.The competition is high there however and 95% of the clientelle are Poles meaning no foreigner friendly environment. You compete directly against the polish guys in their territory.
Personally I like all slavic situations clubs full of slavic guys and girls it is great atmosphere.Others prefer a break or mix situation but I want the pure hardcore slavic experience.

[Brosemite]

(08-12-2013 01:36 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I visited all clubs in Wrocław in a row and the ones with decent densities were Teatr and Cherry.The competition is high there however and 95% of the clientelle are Poles meaning no foreigner friendly environment. You compete directly against the polish guys in their territory.
Personally I like all slavic situations clubs full of slavic guys and girls it is great atmosphere.Others prefer a break or mix situation but I want the pure hardcore slavic experience.

If Cherry was indeed an upscale underground place, than it was tough with even the well-dressed local dudes whom had no luck with the gals. I met some locals in Manana as they nicely dragged me here while paying my cover charge, yet the place was tough as the chicks had major shields & spoke no English. Lot of friends dancing with friends type of atmosphere when I visited May 2012.

[Greek kamaki]

Generally in these clubs isolation is difficult.The girls have to behave in front of their friends.And when a girl does not behave her girlfriend brings her in order.And if both show interest a polish guy always comes to steal what he considers easy loot as they showed positive response. So in these clubs there are lots of dynamics and one needs a certain know how to play ball.It is not a situation "the fucker of the neighbourhood has come girls turn your backs" as it is in Ukraine.However if one learns the mannerisms of polish women and develops an operational modus vivendi it pays dividends meaning you always do the same things and get results.Actually last May by my fourth visit to Poland for weekend I had started to adapt into the environment correctly.It is however not a settled scene to exploit as in Ukraine meaning you need to make an effort to organize your harem.

The resistance of polish guys is also much bigger than that of Czech guys or Ukrainian guys.The girls also react to the cockiness of polish guys meaning when they have the chance to operate freely as when they are abroad away from familiar eyes.The Bohemian attitude does not exist in Poland it is a more hypocritical society.