[Charmingomar]

From my time of interacting, I have learned that nice guys/charming guys win!! "We don't down them, we crown them", as I say. Below are some of the steps, I'ved learned along the way to win. I try to say Sincere Compliments and always stay groomed. Always wear nice "expensive looking" shoes to the club. Get some jewerly (chain, watch, bracelet etc). Some people say don't buy drinks, I say it depends on the situation. If she is giving you 110% co-operation, why not buy her a drink to "better the mood/situation". You have to think to your self at all times that any girl that does not like being treated well should not even be around you, that is her sickness that she has to deal with and has nothing to do with you! Open doors(all doors, car doors etc). Treat her like a lady/"daddy's baby girl". Only talk to women that you have a high sexual interest in. If you talk to a women that you have to think too much about approaching, that women is not for you. You should only talk to women that, "When you think to your self, I just had to say something to her". This will lead to more natural conversations and interactions. When you have to think too much about talking to this woman, the conversation will usually come off as forced. "Negging" does not work, A true Dime who has come from a good house hold and has a good upbringing and is very attactive, will look at you crazy if you neg her and she has done nothing to achieve that sort of behavior. Never talk about sex, until you are in a private location, act as if it is not even on your mind. If the woman brings it up, change the topic. Don't even touch the women until you are in a private location. Kino doesn't work, most girls will consider you "touchy feely" or too sexual and she doesn't even know you yet.The conversation is always about them and never about you. If they ask you about you they really don't care they are just waiting for a time that they can get in, to talk more about themselves, so just change the topic back to them.

[ryanf]

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

[jayyrod1]

You say nice guys don't finish last!?

Do you even game bruh!?

[britchard]

You're living in a dream world if you think chivalry works nowadays.

[Charmingomar]

Chilvalry works nowadays way more then past days, because no one does it! You become a rare creature. And the question about gaming, is I don't game, some women just "understand my story". I decided to post this thread because alot of what I have been reading on the forum, sounds like misogynistic views. And my question is that if you start disliking women whats your other option! So one needs to start loving women and looking at things from more than one perspective. If a woman of my type does not like me, no big deal, everyone did not like Jesus or Mohammed, everyone will not like me.

[ryanf]

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Don't even touch the women until you are in a private location. Kino doesn't work, most girls will consider you "touchy feely" or too sexual and she doesn't even know you yet.

Kino is the only thing that ever helped me bridge the gap from "a nice date" to "actually having sex". What's your next thread: "cuckholding, and why allowing it will get you a better girl".

[Charmingomar]

Everyone nowadays seems to think that this Alpha term means that inorder for me to be great, I must belittle everyone else. Like these terms of "cocky funny", negging, and demonstrate higher value, all these forms of masking your insecurity. I truly believe that a Alpha/Confident man does not need to do any of that to demonstate value. Being Alpha means that I do what I want to do, with respect to others too.

[Sensei Creation]

(01-02-2015 09:22 AM)Charmingomar Wrote:  

Chilvalry works nowadays way more then past days, because no one does it! You become a rare creature.

" The Beta needs to make the Alpha seem common, while making himself seem unique. In order to effectively disqualify an Alpha, the Beta has to display his empathy for the feminine, and she must appreciate it or it’s been all for nothing (which it usually is). "

- Rollo Tomassi , The Rational Male

[Charmingomar]

(01-02-2015 09:29 AM)ryanf Wrote:  

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Don't even touch the women until you are in a private location. Kino doesn't work, most girls will consider you "touchy feely" or too sexual and she doesn't even know you yet.

Kino is the only thing that ever helped me bridge the gap from "a nice date" to "actually having sex". What's your next thread: "cuckholding, and why allowing it will get you a better girl".

Your proving my point. I'm bringing you real game knowledge and your trying to belittle me, for you to gain some "BS" brownie points that mean nothing! When I hear people use the word Kino, gaming, I always like to see actual pictures of the women they are dating or been with. I just don't see you guys game working with 8's or better. I think your guys game will work with a 5 or 6 who is insecure. But a truly 8 or 9, like I said earlier that has a nice personality, good family life and up bringing is not going to accept that behavior. You might get them, but you will not keep them for the long term. And I like keeping a good 8 or 9 around.

[Charmingomar]

Nowadays we have a lot of slick talking sassy men! All this slick talk and sassy comments are femenine!! A real Man don't talk slick or sassy he would just hit you!! So when you guys make these slick and sassy remarks your proving my point that you are the WEAK BETA!!!

[sandman972]

(01-02-2015 08:25 AM)Charmingomar Wrote:  

Never talk about sex, until you are in a private location, act as if it is not even on your mind. If the woman brings it up, change the topic. Don't even touch the women until you are in a private location. Kino doesn't work, most girls will consider you "touchy feely" or too sexual and she doesn't even know you yet.

I decided not to comment on the rest of your post as I find it strictly opinionated while personal experiences and failures would say otherwise.

However:

I had 4 SNL's for the month of December. They all had two common themes:
-Physical escalation
- The topic of sex was discussed at some point

Ill leave it at that. The title of this thread is provoking to say the least, lets hope you have the notch count to back it up.

[tallandblonde]

(01-02-2015 09:30 AM)Charmingomar Wrote:  

Everyone nowadays seems to think that this Alpha term means that inorder for me to be great, I must belittle everyone else. Like these terms of "cocky funny", negging, and demonstrate higher value, all these forms of masking your insecurity. I truly believe that a Alpha/Confident man does not need to do any of that to demonstate value. Being Alpha means that I do what I want to do, with respect to others too.

Who actually says this? Belittling other people incessantly IMO is a sign of NOT being alpha. As an Alpha male, you stand up for your friends and the members of your pack when need be, but otherwise focus on more important things than petty gossip and putting people down.

And negging works. If you're a 7 and want to get a 10 you need to bring her down to your level. This doesn't mean that spitting in her face will get you anywhere, but any man that argues that chivalry is not dead is completely delusional and happy with never getting laid.

[Charmingomar]

(01-02-2015 09:53 AM)tallandblonde Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 09:30 AM)Charmingomar Wrote:  

Everyone nowadays seems to think that this Alpha term means that inorder for me to be great, I must belittle everyone else. Like these terms of "cocky funny", negging, and demonstrate higher value, all these forms of masking your insecurity. I truly believe that a Alpha/Confident man does not need to do any of that to demonstate value. Being Alpha means that I do what I want to do, with respect to others too.

Who actually says this? Belittling other people incessantly IMO is a sign of NOT being alpha. As an Alpha male, you stand up for your friends and the members of your pack when need be, but otherwise focus on more important things than petty gossip and putting people down.

And negging works. If you're a 7 and want to get a 10 you need to bring her down to your level. This doesn't mean that spitting in her face will get you anywhere, but any man that argues that chivalry is not dead is completely delusional and happy with never getting laid.

Your comment contridicts itself. "Belittling other people incessantly IMO is a sign of NOT being alpha. " Ok... then you say " If you're a 7 and want to get a 10 you need to bring her down to your level." Ok... Maybe if your a 7 and you get a 10, why can't you do that with good game, rather then downing her psychologically.

[Charmingomar]

And there is a big difference between being nice and naive.

[ryanf]

Even though I feel like we are living on borrowed time before Roosh/Tuth wake up and bring the hammer, why don't you give us a field report? Some step-by-steps similar to the ones that our most respected members drop regularly, so we can try out this new brand of game?

[Charmingomar]

(01-02-2015 10:12 AM)ryanf Wrote:  

Even though I feel like we are living on borrowed time before Roosh/Tuth wake up and bring the hammer, why don't you give us a field report? Some step-by-steps similar to the ones that our most respected members drop regularly, so we can try out this new brand of game?

I don't really understand how I would go about providing a field report or something of that nature. But I can fill you in a little more about what I do. Basically I'm from NY but now live out in DC. And DC employs a lot of government workers, which brings with it alot of High paid female masculine woman. I have found that to counter act these masculine women is to make her feels as feminine as possible and do the masculine things. First off when I go out I wear "expensive looking Italian shoes" jeans and button up. I say to always wear shoes because this gives off the aura of a father rather than her son. Secondly, I always approach the woman I am the most sexually attracted too. I try to come from the perspective that I am the chooser and not her. So I interview her. I think alot of men skip this and become interviewed. Which gives the women the upper hand to dismiss you, I turn this around. I pay for everything, some men see this as weak, I see it as being in control. I do not ever let a women drive me around, if she wants to take her car thats cool, as long as I drive it. I open all doors. If you play your position as man, the women will play their position as a female. The problem is that alot of boys out her want the respect of the Man but don't want the responsibility.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-02-2015 09:36 AM)Charmingomar Wrote:  

Your proving my point. I'm bringing you real game knowledge and your trying to belittle me, for you to gain some "BS" brownie points that mean nothing! When I hear people use the word Kino, gaming, I always like to see actual pictures of the women they are dating or been with. I just don't see you guys game working with 8's or better. I think your guys game will work with a 5 or 6 who is insecure. But a truly 8 or 9, like I said earlier that has a nice personality, good family life and up bringing is not going to accept that behavior. You might get them, but you will not keep them for the long term. And I like keeping a good 8 or 9 around.

You invalidate all Game teachings from 20 years in one paragraph and claim to "bring us" real Game knowledge. Such utter and complete bullshit - seldom a troll being more conniving, stupid, idiotic, condescending and out-of-world.

Everything you say is utter and complete idiocy. If that kind of Game would work, then we would be in the 1950s - and even then women fucked German POWs and the few cads who displayed natural Game. The culture was just highly restrictive regarding female sexuality, equalized earnings & women were encouraged & shamed into marrying early while being a virgin. They were not holier than now - just set in a different system.

Game tells us how women tick - a variation of it can be used country to country and individual to individual - heck - even moods can make slight Game changes necessary. That is why Game is an art & science at the same time. It's science because of all the factors that work, but art because it takes a skillful man to adapt it to the individual conversation & openness of the woman. Being a sperg rattling of phrases and moves will not amount to much.

On a further post you actually say a few things that are Game - using qualification, direct approach etc. - still - does not work and you invalidate all Game teachings.

Troll - woman or complete Beta - totally unaware of how the sexual market works. You are in DC and having great success with 18-25 year olds - and all in the range of 7-9? Yup - sounds credible. What you describe is a form of Game that may work with extreme good looks, some cash & approaching 35+ year olds. Feigning Beta Game does have some merit with women who are 28+ - depending on the epiphany stage they are in. You only have to date her 3-5 times to get what Mr. PUA-lover gets after 2 hours. She also may fuck him before she goes on a date with you, but being a perfect gentleman you do not mind, do you?

[Sensei Creation]

(01-02-2015 08:25 AM)Charmingomar Wrote:  

"We don't down them, we crown them", as I say.

" Today, we still have women using the anachronism that is male Honor in a manner that serves their interests, but it’s contrasted with a sexually emphasized opportunism. A Man’s responsibility should be “Honoring” her as ‘the fairer sex’ while recognizing her ‘independence’. The AFC (Average Frustrated Chump) gobbles this stuff up and in an effort to better identify himself with her ideals he begins to convince himself that he’s unique in that he better exemplifies this false-virtue, this feminine defined sense of Honor than the “other guys”. "

Whilst I'm certain that OP is a classic bad grammar/game-denial troll , lurkers out there may share parts of his extreme white-knight views .

Lurkers : Start going to the gym , read the books : Bang , Day Bang , The Rational Male and start your 100 Approaches .

Report back in 6 months and tell us if you feel the same way .

[Remington]

[Kamikaze]

Here are a few opinions on nice guys when it comes to game.

Samseau: Samseau deconstructs a shitty blog post about Nice Guys finishing last
Roissy: Chicks despise niceguys
Delicious Tacos: on bitches taking advantage of nice guys
Handsome Creepy Eel: The witch hunt for nice guys
Basil Ransom: The plight of nice guys

(08-15-2011 05:09 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

(08-04-2011 02:02 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

Really, 'nice guys' aren't that nice; they're just acting 'nice' to try to get pussy. At least the badboy is honest with himself and the chicks he deals with.

(08-08-2011 04:51 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

That "nice guys are not actually nice but are just doing it to get pussy" (which fails) is one of the most common rationalizations girls provide for liking assholes. ... being nice is natural to them, how they were raised and educated, and they have an understanding of the world that expects most people (women too) will be nice to them in return if they are nice first. Sadly, it doesn't work out that way.

However, I still don't like presenting them as some kind of manipulators. They are just lost in a modern world, and 50 years ago all of them would have made a great catch. I think they're victims of the system.

These posts are in total disagreement with one another. And Nonpareil's is wrong. Nice guys aren't cynical manipulators deep down. ...

The biggest flaw with the nice guy is that he looks to the woman as his redemption from celibacy and loneliness, as his source of excitement and joy. This is too great a burden for any woman. ...

We are the cynical manipulators. We are the ones scrutinizing our every move to obtain a successful seduction. And I don't have a problem with that. But we are in it only for ourselves. And this is why sluts respect us. It is as if, deep down they know they are worthless, so any man who respects them is a desperate sap....

Pedestalize: To suggest that one wants more than just sex.

To avoid putting her on the pedestal: You must show you are ready to walk at a moment's notice; you must not care if she disappears entirely from your life.

And another gem:

(10-03-2011 02:14 PM)Jevioso Wrote:  

To the majority of women, every man is a rapist, an abuser, a cheater until proven otherwise. For those of us in the game, we understand that women are all bitches, sluts, whores, gold diggers etc until proven otherwise.

Now on to the OP.

(01-02-2015 08:25 AM)Charmingomar Wrote:  

I try to say Sincere Compliments and always stay groomed.

Pedestalization is the number one sin in attracting a girl, especially 8+. And pedestalization is the number one trait of the nice guy. The stench of thirst can be smelled a mile away. My best snags, without exception, have been acquired through a breezy application of a mix of indifferent, aloof, and asshole game. Additionally, I've only used nice guy game to bang 5s and 6s, because asshole game fucking destroys their self-esteems.

What pedestalization shows is a lack of understanding of a woman's nature. Are the majority of women "good?" Absolutely not. Then why go in assuming she is?

Nice guys are straight up villainized by women themselves. The RVF and players around the world have weighed in on the subject of nice guys repeatedly.

If nice assertive guy game has worked for you, kudos.

But you're trying to sell bibles to atheists.

[Phoenix]

So... why is a dude with a single-digit post count and god-awful writing style 'educating' us again?

[Charmingomar]

To the ones who "knock" my game, you guys seem very angry. Almost a sort of childish anger, like you guys are throwing a temper tandrum. It's very comical. All the people that I see as "natural" players always seem to really have a sincere love/interest in women. You guys seem very angry which leads me to believe your not as successful in the field as you want everyone to believe. I use to be angry like you, so I understand. But as you evolved, you becoming a little more understanding of why women do things and their motive behind them. That's when you start to see your self as the FATHER figure to all women and the little girls that they really are at the end of the day.

[Charmingomar]

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And this is why sluts respect us. It is as if, deep down they know they are worthless, so any man who respects them is a desperate sap....

This comment is the truth, but it only works with Strippers and women in the sex industry, when you try to respect these women they will look at you crazy. But you cannot use this same game with 8's or 9's who are good girls, they just will not accept this behavior.

[Charmingomar]

It's all about the perspective. I compliment women, when I feel like it, rather then complimenting to make her feel some way about me. 2 completely different perspectives.