[DjembaDjemba]

If you're willing to broaden your horizon beyond simply white girls, you'll get laid in Toronto. My numbers when I was single in Edmonton and Toronto were identical.

Toronto's biggest issue is lack of decent good paying jobs, and the rise of the anti genuine people in the city. Fake ass people doing fake ass shit posing for a living. Too many people pretend they're king shit but they're not even peasant status.

[FrenchCanadian]

(12-08-2014 03:43 PM)Americas Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 03:11 PM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  

^^^
Thanks for the detailed post America's. I tend to get emotional about it because I truly believe both that Montreal would make a much better prime city for Canada than Toronto, and that this would be better for all Montrealers, both Anglophone and Francophone. It may have been a fait accompli, as you say, I don't really know. One bone to pick maybe is the observation that New York is still the USA's A1 city despite the Erie canal being usurped by better means of transportation to the midwest. Chicago never overtook New York. Or am I misunderstanding your argument? Also, I had Anglo relatives who lived there during the time of letterbombs in Westmount. Some are still there, but they complain about the business environment in general. It seems sad to me that some had to leave rather than stay and contribute to the city.

I hear what you say about Francophones being at a disadvantage before the separatist movement, but I only wish that they could have achieved their liberation without harming Montreal.

Well, it wasn't just the transportation, but a large part of it. There are different dynamics at play in the US and Canada. If you have noticed before, Canada was never a majorly developed country. Much of the development took place in the Eastern corridor, and even to this day, Canada really has only three major cities. Contrast that to the US, the East was already highly developed.

New York continued its prominence because it's transportation and seaport advantage was still continued to be supported by major cities such as Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington, ect. If you remember, Chicago grew so dramatically in its early history that at one time it was the 5th largest city in the world. But there was a limit to that.

In Canada in contrast, the only really major economic areas were the St. Lawerence region and the Golden Horseshoe. With the growth of the surrounding regions, such as Windsor, Kitchener-Waterloo, ect. Toronto became a natural hub for Canada, whereas Chicago didn't really to the same extent because there was much more development in other regions of the country.

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I lived in Montreal for over two years and loved it. Honestly, it's hard to say what it would have been like now if the Quiet Revolution didn't occur. However, one thing that makes Montreal so unique is its Quebecois culture and its uniqueness compared to the rest of Canada. It's also probably the most bilingual city in the world which adds another dimension to it. In fact, this is why I choose Montreal to live in because I don't actually like Canadian/US culture that much in many aspects.

Would Montreal be better today if it didn't happen? Not so sure. Perhaps economically, but socially probably not. At the end of the day, it's not like Montreal has been thrown into the waste bin. It's still an economically powerful and a true cultural capital of the country.

Toronto isn't a bad city - but spend a night with a french girl from Montreal & spend a night with a Ontario girl from Toronto... you'll witness something different.

The difference with the French girl is stronger than if compared with girls from other provinces. (Alberta vs Toronto) (Nova Scotia vs Toronto etc)

For what it's worth, that very difference is what explains - and validates, the separatist movement. You may not agree with it... but you can probably understand it.

[Moma]

There should be a new type of troll called the 'Toronto troll'. Claims that Toronto is the best city in the world, a booming metropolis with vibrant cooperative feminine women. Claims to be killing it on all levels with the lizards. Amazing night scene and very liberal liquor laws. Mysteriously vanishes or beats around the bush when asked to produce an updated or pertinent datasheet to these claims.

[rudebwoy]

This thread got started by some troll who got banned.

Once again, Toronto is in the spotlight.

The question was should Toronto be on the list of top 50 party spots in the world, obviously the answer is no.
The scene is not bad but you have to be connected and no the right people/spots to hit. What was good 6 months ago is now played out.

Comparing Toronto to Montreal is laughable, they are two different countries if you ask me.

Also saying Toronto isn't that bad is like saying your girlfriend ain't that fat.

[mindanao]

(12-08-2014 04:07 PM)wutevas_cleva Wrote:  

Also when you get out of Toronto and into other cities/small towns in southern ontario there's tons of hot chicks that are easy as fack.

I heard Peterborough was at the top of this list. Also Kingston might be, but overall, eastern Ontario like near Peterborough is supposed to be really good for that from what I read. But I cant verify because I have zero experience anywhere in the world outside the Philippines. Would be nice if this thing about Peterborough and neighboring cities were true.

[mindanao]

(12-09-2014 02:05 PM)Moma Wrote:  

There should be a new type of troll called the 'Toronto troll'.

Yess Toronto Troll Craziness or 'TTC' just aint good cuz any claims of how good my city are about as lame as the decrepit TTC subway system lol

[Saladin]

(12-08-2014 04:07 PM)wutevas_cleva Wrote:  

Toronto is better then Montreal - maybe not for pussy and partying but in general. Toronto is still a fine city for girls, if you cant get laid thats your problem. Maybe its because ive lived here most of my life but its really quite easy. The only down side is the immigrants, it can get annoying as i like white girls. Whoever said he was trying to get his friend to move to Alberta made me laugh lol Only place i would move to from Toronto is maybe BC.

Also when you get out of Toronto and into other cities/small towns in southern ontario there's tons of hot chicks that are easy as fack.

Note that anytime anyone defends Toronto, they've lived there for most of their life and usually are plugged into local social circles and norms.

"Only place i would move to from Toronto is maybe BC."

^That line says it all about the OP.

Also Toronto is one of the hardest cities to learn game. There's a reason why newbies in Toronto struggle through hell to get results.

Most other places in the world, it's pretty easy to get hail marys and easy lays to give you that initial boost of confidence.

I think once you have developed yourself and have good game, looks, and style you can do very well. However.... its a very high standard to reach for your average dude.

[SuperTwin22]

(12-09-2014 02:05 PM)Moma Wrote:  

There should be a new type of troll called the 'Toronto troll'. Claims that Toronto is the best city in the world, a booming metropolis with vibrant cooperative feminine women. Claims to be killing it on all levels with the lizards. Amazing night scene and very liberal liquor laws. Mysteriously vanishes or beats around the bush when asked to produce an updated or pertinent datasheet to these claims.

Yeah these dudes that say that are Toronto Trolls! Toronto's vibrant city life died about 10 to 12 years ago. No signs of life or coming back, DOA for 2014 and beyond. Any place that I have to be connected from living in a place my whole life, to have a good time i'll pass. I lived in Toronto for 5 years, and saw the same lame people in the same lame VIP booths. With the same lame strippers, and escorts. Ain't nothing "G" about that. Toronto is played and done like dinner. Toronto shouldn't be on any list of anything when it comes to fun and high quality women, just leave Toronto in it's gave. Some Troll started this thread!

Toronto is Dead!

[Big Country]

Toronto has its moments, granted I'm biased by the fact I went there for school and stayed for five years.

I was lucky to fall into a great scene while it was on the way up, and saw it die in the span I was there. There were a few clubs I was a regular at that weren't in the club district and produced some memories I will keep with me for life.

Social circle is decidedly important, and I had a good one. I was heavy into the drugs and music and got to see some amazing shows. I met my main and my side while in that scene so I can't complain.

I had some memorable blow outs, but that is part of the fun I think. You move on and learn.

I think the unadulterated trashing of Toronto is undeserved. It might not be a NYC or LA or Vegas, and certainly not a third world paradise, but it still has some great pockets for nightlife, excellent cultural opportunities, and overall a very relaxed vibe. (Outside of the entertainment district on weekends)

I posted a mini-datasheet here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-6277-p...#pid800344

I have to mention, my best friend that I met in residence pointed me in the direction of game, and I'll be forever thankful for that. Before that I was pretty much stuck in the nice guy provider mindset. At the very least I can say Toronto was good for me.

[rudebwoy]

^oh man here we go again and again! It's the same threads about Toronto, not even DC gets mentioned as much.

You were here for five years and you fell into a scene and had "relative" success. I am sure that was a few years back, since you mention the club district which is no more. I have been here since the 80s, partying that is and those days I never wanted to leave.

You also mention drugs,you will be surprised how many gals are into that. Even my man Kosko mentioned awhile back how having blow is important in this city. Christ, last year I went to an after hours on a Tuesday night ( yes Tuesday ) and the amount of cute coke sluts there was crazy. They were even in the "mens" washroom, which was another story. For the record I am not into drugs.

Toronto is a battleground or more like a war zone. Leave for a week and you realize how good other places are vs how bad this place is.

[Vacancier Permanent]

Troll thread indeed on a troll city. Boretown is the best name for that city.

For those who are saying Toronto is not that bad, which clubs/bars or areas are good nowadays? I can't remember the last time I stepped inside a night venue in TO. Might have been a good decade ago. I'm sure I may not have missed much...

Rudeboy,
Tell us about how the TO scene was back in the 80s and 90s my friend. I keep hearing TO was DA bomb back then, so I'm very curious to hear about those good golden days.

[Kaizen]

There is no shortage of VENUES in Toronto...plenty of bars and clubs.

The problem is the lame girls inside these place, their attitudes, and the overall uptight vibe of the city

[Big Country]

(12-13-2014 11:58 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^oh man here we go again and again! It's the same threads about Toronto, not even DC gets mentioned as much.

You were here for five years and you fell into a scene and had "relative" success. I am sure that was a few years back, since you mention the club district which is no more. I have been here since the 80s, partying that is and those days I never wanted to leave.

You also mention drugs,you will be surprised how many gals are into that. Even my man Kosko mentioned awhile back how having blow is important in this city. Christ, last year I went to an after hours on a Tuesday night ( yes Tuesday ) and the amount of cute coke sluts there was crazy. They were even in the "mens" washroom, which was another story. For the record I am not into drugs.

Toronto is a battleground or more like a war zone. Leave for a week and you realize how good other places are vs how bad this place is.

I have no illusions about how Toronto compares to better cities, all I meant to say was that if you fall into the right circles, it can be a lot of fun.

I was heavy into m and coke, and that certainly played a factor in my overall enjoyment of Toronto. For most guys it won't be as simple, I just got lucky. Being friends with a few dealers didn't hurt.

I never said I was in the club district, my two main hang outs were on Queen West and King West. The EDM (mostly dubstep) craze was just getting started my first year there, and I rode that til it died. But after three years of getting fucked up every other day, I was happy to get out of it when it was infiltrated by the masses.

Would I recommend Toronto as a party city for someone who doesn't have connections? Absolutely not. Montreal is far superior, and even Ottawa is better.

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

Official Forum Toronto Thread Theme Song:

HSLD

[El_gato]

Just got back from Havana 2 weeks ago ( trip report to follow soon) - having some real reverse culture shock back in toronto. Women don't flirt here ....
Please answer the following questions:
Do toronto girls want to have sex?
Are they having sex?
If so , with whom?
Are there ten alpha males in the city servicing all of these woman?
Or are dildo and vibrator sales at a per capita high?
Thinking of doing a pump and dump on a 5 just to get back on the scoreboard here.

[Saladin]

Let's see-

-You used to do heavy drugs and EDM. Plenty of girls in TO are into that and its easy to build a social circle if you're into that kind of stuff.

-You went to University in Toronto, instantly plugging you into social circles.

-You mentioned in your data sheet about waiting for IOIs, which I rarely receive in Toronto. Maybe you're really good looking but I don't look for IOIs at all because I just don't see them that often.

Anyways, it's not a surprise you did well.

No one really denies you can have fun if you're in an ideal situation in Toronto. But in general, the people of Toronto are cold... and the women are difficult. Yes if you're a drug dealer or heavy in the music scene you are hooked up... but the whole point of the hate towards Toronto in this forum is that it sucks for cold approach.

Like dude... the fact that literally 80 percent of the girls who respond well to me in TO are generally new to the city either from a small town or outside the country. Girls who grew up in Toronto think that getting approached is "creepy" and "weird" unless its by a super handsome guy and have their bitch shields up. That's what real life experience shows me.

Even girls from Mississauga are significantly friendlier. The difference is extremely noticeable and many guys have reported the same thing.

Not to mention the fact that many girls and guys from outside Toronto say the same thing, that Toronto is unfriendly.

The whole point of what I say isn't to be negative, but to dissuade people from moving here. Way too many people hype Toronto and convince people to live here... and then set up them up for disappointment.

(12-13-2014 03:55 PM)Big Country Wrote:  

I have no illusions about how Toronto compares to better cities, all I meant to say was that if you fall into the right circles, it can be a lot of fun.

I was heavy into m and coke, and that certainly played a factor in my overall enjoyment of Toronto. For most guys it won't be as simple, I just got lucky. Being friends with a few dealers didn't hurt.

I never said I was in the club district, my two main hang outs were on Queen West and King West. The EDM (mostly dubstep) craze was just getting started my first year there, and I rode that til it died. But after three years of getting fucked up every other day, I was happy to get out of it when it was infiltrated by the masses.

Would I recommend Toronto as a party city for someone who doesn't have connections? Absolutely not. Montreal is far superior, and even Ottawa is better.

[kr4t0s]

(12-06-2014 12:26 PM)jc6586 Wrote:  

http://www.georgefm.co.nz/Top-50-party-c...fault.aspx

and if so, what should the ranking be?

After seeing La Paz and Lima at the same level of Krakow is just ridiculous...
Interesting that Punta del Este is High at 10 though...

[kosko]

Come January 1st Toronto bars will be even worse with the new smoking laws put in place by the lovely dyke Wynn and the Provincial Government.

Smoking will be banned outright from bars, even smoking patios and smoking decks that used to be on rooftops, or just outside the bar in a outside area will not be allowed. The new rule bans smoking to 6 meters away from any restaurant or bar front door. So literally people will have to go outside, across the street to have a smoke, or go around out back to the side of a building.

You already notice the balkanization of smokers and non-smokers but this will make it even worse. In the summer months the streets will just be filled with smokers and the bars with drinkers. People will just hang out outside for the majority of the night, with a half empty bar, but still with "capacity" rules in place and a lineup outside the door... quite foolish.

[rudebwoy]

Kosko - maybe I am being too optimistic but maybe something good may come out of that smoking situation.

VP - yeah dude the city was unreal back in the day, girls would give massive IOIs and hooking up seemed more natural. You didn't need all these material things that you seem to need nowadays. You would probably get a big laugh at the things I wore, but damn did I think I was cool. Funny, girls seem to be drawn to that type of attitude. Girls also seemed to work harder to be with boys and get their attention. I was shy as hell but yet that didn't seem to handicap me, whereas today that is a death sentence.
I was also heavily into House music when the music hit the city, underground parties were simply of the chain. Sadly a lot of these clubs were on prime locations and have been torn down to be replaced by endless condos.
The city is very Corporate now, take the streetcar down Queen St and you can't count the number of Starbucks on both hands. Not to mention all the generic brands that have taking over the once very hip Queen St.
When you back in Town?

[SuperTwin22]

(12-14-2014 02:44 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Kosko - maybe I am being too optimistic but maybe something good may come out of that smoking situation.

VP - yeah dude the city was unreal back in the day, girls would give massive IOIs and hooking up seemed more natural. You didn't need all these material things that you seem to need nowadays. You would probably get a big laugh at the things I wore, but damn did I think I was cool. Funny, girls seem to be drawn to that type of attitude. Girls also seemed to work harder to be with boys and get their attention. I was shy as hell but yet that didn't seem to handicap me, whereas today that is a death sentence.
I was also heavily into House music when the music hit the city, underground parties were simply of the chain. Sadly a lot of these clubs were on prime locations and have been torn down to be replaced by endless condos.
The city is very Corporate now, take the streetcar down Queen St and you can't count the number of Starbucks on both hands. Not to mention all the generic brands that have taking over the once very hip Queen St.
When you back in Town?

Preach it! Toronto used to have a really cool and unique music scene. And when you went to clubs, there was a mix of people from all over the city, with various tastes in music. But that's when Toronto had a real club and lounge scene. It was fun back then. Actually felt like Toronto had it's own personality then. But now Toronto is just a generic place with generic people in it. You used to see people dress all weird and interesting, the city had a lot of character in those days. Lot of individuality then too.

Those days are long gone. Maybe i'll go back there in the summer for a visit, but no way in hell i'd visit there in the winter. That place is already depressing, don't need the cold weather making it worse.


If you have to be heavy into drugs or in some social circle to enjoy Toronto, then they can have it. Toronto isn't even special enough to have to go through all that.

We've all told people that Toronto sucks. RooshV went there, and told everybody to stay away from the place if your trying to pick up women. But you still have people still thinking that they have some special powers and will make it a half way decent place. I'm much happier since I left.

[rudebwoy]

(12-17-2014 01:04 AM)SuperTwin22 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 02:44 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Kosko - maybe I am being too optimistic but maybe something good may come out of that smoking situation.

VP - yeah dude the city was unreal back in the day, girls would give massive IOIs and hooking up seemed more natural. You didn't need all these material things that you seem to need nowadays. You would probably get a big laugh at the things I wore, but damn did I think I was cool. Funny, girls seem to be drawn to that type of attitude. Girls also seemed to work harder to be with boys and get their attention. I was shy as hell but yet that didn't seem to handicap me, whereas today that is a death sentence.
I was also heavily into House music when the music hit the city, underground parties were simply of the chain. Sadly a lot of these clubs were on prime locations and have been torn down to be replaced by endless condos.
The city is very Corporate now, take the streetcar down Queen St and you can't count the number of Starbucks on both hands. Not to mention all the generic brands that have taking over the once very hip Queen St.
When you back in Town?

Preach it! Toronto used to have a really cool and unique music scene. And when you went to clubs, there was a mix of people from all over the city, with various tastes in music. But that's when Toronto had a real club and lounge scene. It was fun back then. Actually felt like Toronto had it's own personality then. But now Toronto is just a generic place with generic people in it. You used to see people dress all weird and interesting, the city had a lot of character in those days. Lot of individuality then too.

Those days are long gone. Maybe i'll go back there in the summer for a visit, but no way in hell i'd visit there in the winter. That place is already depressing, don't need the cold weather making it worse.


If you have to be heavy into drugs or in some social circle to enjoy Toronto, then they can have it. Toronto isn't even special enough to have to go through all that.

We've all told people that Toronto sucks. RooshV went there, and told everybody to stay away from the place if your trying to pick up women. But you still have people still thinking that they have some special powers and will make it a half way decent place. I'm much happier since I left.

+1 from me bro.

The first paragraph sums it up perfect. The individuality has been lost and now people are a bunch of clones with their Canada Goose coats and their pseudo hipster style.

[Indefatigable]

I don't think Toronto is as bad as I used to think it was.

If you check it, a disproportionate amount of the people complaining are black, but non-blackness is one of the most important characteristics that women look for in men here, though a lot of brothers don't seem to realize the extent to which this is true.

This is true most obviously true for non-black women, but it also true for a surprising number of black women too. But even the black women for whom it isn't true, you will have a hard time meeting them randomly.

I am black, but I now do relatively well on OKC (mostly with white women). That fact, it should be noted, is not inconsistent with what I have just said: My personal characteristics are outstanding enough that they attract a large number of the relatively few women on there who are open to brothers. Still, it is clear to me that I don't do as well as I should given the above-referenced characteristics.

I don't do well at night, though I'm usually the best looking guy in the bar. Admittedly, part of that is my game though. I do know a brother who does well at night here (mostly with white women), but he is taller (around 6'2), more built, knows how to preemptively disarm their stereotypes and seems to have better game. But again, he is by no means your average brother.

So I can see how certain guys can do well here; I just think that it is much easier if you are white. If you are black, you pretty much have to be unusually attractive and have other things going for you to have a chance. Again, I am talking about night and online game, not social circle game.

I should also mention venue. The simply fact is that there are some places where women are much more likely to go with the aim of picking up than other places.

[Adrenaline]

Most of those top places seem to be very seasonal. For example, Ibiza and IOS are only good in the Summer and Koh Phangan is only any good if it's around Full Moon Party period. I've also heard that Rio is very hard to party in until you're an expat and get use to the scene.

Which would be your top CITIES if we're making a list based on non-stop, 7 days a week vibrancy. I can't imagine any US cities being to crazy with the whole working culture and most people ending their nights early. Australia is also mainly a weekend only type party destination.

I know Bangkok would be up there because it's fucking crazy every night of the week, but is there any places with predominantly white girls that is similar?

[Moma]

(02-12-2015 04:13 AM)Indefatigable Wrote:  

I don't think Toronto is as bad as I used to think it was.

You've probably come to terms with the reality that you are dealing with.

(02-12-2015 04:13 AM)Indefatigable Wrote:  

If you check it, a disproportionate amount of the people complaining are black, but non-blackness is one of the most important characteristics that women look for in men here, though a lot of brothers don't seem to realize the extent to which this is true.

I didn't see this at all. Unless you say things have taken a total tail spin and it's looking up for non black guys. When I was there, it was long for all races. I went to a BBQ before I left with a Venezuelan friend and his hispanic boys (plus lizard). One of the guys was a decent looking chap from Argentina and when I mentioned how long Toronto was (I had gotten my visa to go to America and pretty much washed my hands off of that city), he totally agreed and shared his woes. My Venezuelan friend also mentioned how much of a pain dating was (flaky lizards, yoyo treatment). However guys who live there generally soldier on (no other choice).

Again, bear in mind that no one is saying it's impossible. It's just the interactions are long and energy sucking. You cannot be yourself on dates. If you are not PC in your opinions and convo, your views will be looked on as if you say you like to rape cats and you will freeze yourself out of the lay.

My advice is to go out clubbing on a Thursday night. You tend to get the real Torontonians then and remove the wack 905'ers from the equation who only go out to dick tease and dance in huge groups. Saturday yield usually sucked for me.

[Suits]

Neither Beijing or Hong Kong made the list. If they didn't Toronto has no business being anywhere near that list.