[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-12-2014 08:06 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

I believe as a man, we are not built to be happy. You know the point when you'll be happy? When you're in your 60's, 70's or on your deathbed and you look back on your life, you'll see what you've done and you'll be happy with it or forever doomed to be sad.

Too much emphasis is placed on female companionship being the source of happiness. It's not, as men we are always striving to improve ourselves, to visit new locations, to capture new flags. We're not happy until we accomplish that? Then what? Another goal, another mission, another ambition, it's a never ending cycle and this bitches should be fucking happy we are built like this because that's what created civilisation and got us this far.

There is definitely something within men that drives us on - something that tells us that the grass might be greener on the other side. Frankly women have that kind of behavior too, but for them it is more related to looking to other women and wanting to have what they have. They then start nagging their man to go get it for them.
Men who have not killed their inner growth/inner creative force are interested to live and move forward always making something and striving forward.

In my humble opinion this is something that does not only drive us on as men, but also as our inner being - Soul. But alas - that is philosophy - I will keep that to Story Telling with some girls. They are more impressed with that shit than you gents

[CRR]

Interesting articles, and great thread.

I tried to read everything, so I’m not sure this has been touched on, but I think a lot of men have ‘checked out’ simply because there are just so many unmarriageable women.

The marriage rate has declined, and media will focus on the “unmarriageable” man. How if he’s single at 40 he’s immature, or because of the recession so many men are having career trouble.

The latter part has some truth to it in the sense I think a lot of men want to settle down when they have their finances in order. But what is never mentioned is any empathy towards these men, or encouraging women to show some empathy. The whole dialogue revolves around what men need to do and what women are looking for.

Remember that whole ‘100 dates’ article about the woman who was going to date 100 guys? She was a fat, annoying, narcissistic little pig. Yet that is what the media presents as a normal woman seeking to date. The most well known, or at least covered, female celebrity in her mid-late 20s is Lena Dunham, a fat, annoying, narcissistic little pig. Remember that ROK article about the NY women traveling to SF to find a rich tech guy to marry? None of those women were attractive at all.

So basically we have a media that encourages being fat, unattractive, unfeminine, and obnoxious under the guise of ‘empowerment’, and questioning it makes you a misogynist. No wonder men are checking out.

I cannot emphasize enough how interesting it is to me that I know so many women in their 30s who used to be much cuter but now don’t have a husband in sight. The irony is that men then get pressured to ‘consider’ a fat woman or old bag as a mate, to correct the problems that feminism created.

I certainly haven’t checked out, I have a vibrant social life. But no amount of pressure for me to ‘man up’ and marry some old broad or some fat whale is going to convince me to settle down with someone that I don’t want to. That is what needs to change, the terms of the debate. Right now it’s being entirely controlled by feminist thought. There is no shame in saying “I’m looking for a cute, petite, feminine woman”. It’s what makes us men. It’s in our biology. And no amount of feminist screeching can change that.

[Giovonny]

(12-11-2014 05:55 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

Gio you're in a different situation.

How is my situation different ?

6 years ago, I was 33 years old and I had no game. I was socially awkward, I dressed like shit, I was uncomfortable around women, I was sexually frustrated and I felt hopeless.

I struggled to get 5s and 6s.

I decided that I wanted to change my life. I worked extremely hard to create a new life for myself.

I could have been just like everybody else. I could have remained a game-less, socially awkward man yearning for pretty, young pussy.

But, I refused to accept that. I wanted more out of life and through sheer hard work and dedication, I changed the course of my life.

If my situation is different, it is because I made it different -- through hard work.

(12-11-2014 05:55 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

It's taken you how long to get to where you are in game? Years?

I took me about 7 years to get where I am now.

(12-11-2014 05:55 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

You have to consider that you are an anomaly.

I made myself an "anomaly"!

I busted my ass for years!

I did thousands of approaches!

I bought a whole new wardrobe!

I changed the way I speak!

I changed my vibe!

I worked on my inner game and psycho-emotional "issues".

I studied psychology, sociology, brain function, human mating, etc.

If I am an "anomaly", it is because of sheer hard work and dedication.

Shouldn't all men strive to become an "anomaly" ?

Shouldn't all men work to eliminate their weaknesses?

That's what I did!

(12-11-2014 05:55 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

I stand by my comment: American men must work harder for decent pussy than their foreign counterparts

That's not the comment I responded to.

This is the comment I responded to:

(12-08-2014 11:45 AM)Veloce Wrote:  

pretty much anywhere in the world and you notice how many skinny, lanky dorks are tapping a 7 girl out there, seemingly effortlessly. And then back in the U.S. you've got good looking, athletic, successful guys fighting for that same 7.

Like I said, if an American man is "good looking + athletic + successful", he should not have to fight for 7s.

If he is fighting for 7s, its is because he:

A) Has below average game

B) Does not know his own value

C) Both

"Good looking + Athletic + Financially Secure" guys should be dominating!

If they are not, they should contact me for game coaching.
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Now, I will respond to your 2nd statement:

(12-11-2014 05:55 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

American men must work harder for decent pussy than their foreign counterparts

Generally speaking, I agree.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-13-2014 03:18 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

...

If my situation is different, it is because I made it different -- through hard work.
...

I made myself an "anomaly"!

I busted my ass for years!

I did thousands of approaches!

I bought a whole new wardrobe!

I changed the way I speak!

I changed my vibe!

I worked on my inner game and psycho-emotional "issues".

I studied psychology, sociology, brain function, human mating, etc.

If I am an "anomaly", it is because of sheer hard work and dedication.

Shouldn't all men strive to become an "anomaly" ?

Shouldn't all men work to eliminate their weaknesses?

That's what I did!
...

We all have limitations, but until you have tested your limits you don't know what you can potentially achieve. Most men improve their lives tremendously over the years.

Krauser did his first 1000 approaches without one bang - yes there were fewer materials for Daygame available and it was probably some sort of therapy for him too, but look at where he is now.

We always tend to overestimate what we can achieve in the short term, but we underestimate what we can accomplish long-term.

When a man reaches his full potential, he is happy despite some men being better than him. There is an inner feeling of accomplishment since you know that you have done well individually.

[Easy_C]

I'd high five you if I could, G. You've hit the nail on the head right there. It's easily possible to become an "anomaly" but doing so requires a huge amount of work that most men aren't willing to put it.

Of course its still fucked that achieving a reasonable amount of personal happiness requires so much effort when it used to be the norm but what can you do about it?

[kaotic]

@gio

[FretDancer]

Gio I just want to say that I'm very glad to have you here in this community, and hopefully meet someday.

True inspiration indeed. Get to work fellas!

[puckerman]

(12-05-2014 05:09 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Gay men are often the first to call bullshit on things. Glenn Greenwald, Gore Vidal, Oscar Wilde and Justin Raimondo of antiwar.com come to mind.

Gay men have much greater insights into women than many straight men.

Also add Derren Brown to that list.

[puckerman]

(12-05-2014 07:59 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

A major reason for the rise in the hysterical brand of Internet feminism we see now is that women in their twenties need to drum up emotion for themselves because their work-a-day lives lack any sense of drama and humanity.

In their natural state, women in their twenties are biologically wired to deal with a ton of emotion and drama -- that's the time they are best equipped to deliver babies and raise kids. There is nothing more intense than that.

With no kids on the horizon, women look to satiate the part of their brain that would be worrying about diapers and feedings with something else. Hence, we get rape hysteria, street harassment campaigns, sexual harassment issues, etc.

If these women were dealing with children full-time, this stuff would be an abstraction not something urgent.

I suspect there's some truth to this. That being said, there's plenty of drama in the workplace.

[Giovonny]

(12-11-2014 06:30 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

I think it takes a lot of game to hold onto a U.S. 7 that isn't a party girl slut or an ex party girl slut if you are under an 8 in male looks.

Too much in my opinion, a near painful amount.

This is because your game is still in the beginner-intermediate stages, correct?

You just started working on your game about 2 years ago, right?

Keep going for another few years, keep pushing to get better..

When your game gets to the high intermediate stages, you will have to do much less work to get and keep 7s. "The Game" gets easier as our game gets better!

For me, the difference between the beginning stages and intermediate stages has been like becoming a whole new man! Women are now approaching me and gaming me! Two years ago that would have never happened!

I know you are tall, handsome, and healthy. If you keep working hard on your weaknesses and sticking points, in two years, you are going to be competing for 8s and 9s!

I am still in the intermediate stage myself. I look forward to eventually getting to advanced stages of Game.

I have been doing this for 6 years, I think Roosh has been doing it for 10+ years.

[AnonymousBosch]

(12-13-2014 11:21 AM)CRR Wrote:  

Remember that whole ‘100 dates’ article about the woman who was going to date 100 guys? She was a fat, annoying, narcissistic little pig. Yet that is what the media presents as a normal woman seeking to date. The most well known, or at least covered, female celebrity in her mid-late 20s is Lena Dunham, a fat, annoying, narcissistic little pig. Remember that ROK article about the NY women traveling to SF to find a rich tech guy to marry? None of those women were attractive at all.

So basically we have a media that encourages being fat, unattractive, unfeminine, and obnoxious under the guise of ‘empowerment’, and questioning it makes you a misogynist. No wonder men are checking out.

There's a double page spread of a High School's Year 12 Formal in the paper today. There's nine girls pictured and they are all overweight to obese. All of them have doughy arms and thick waists that the formal gowns accentuate by trying to minimise their obvious flaws.

These are girls 17-18, supposedly in the peak of their beauty, and they all look like late 20's child care workers. They're already post-wall and middle-aged. What a waste of youth and beauty.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-15-2014 02:51 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

There's a double page spread of a High School's Year 12 Formal in the paper today. There's nine girls pictured and they are all overweight to obese. All of them have doughy arms and thick waists that the formal gowns accentuate by trying to minimise their obvious flaws.

These are girls 17-18, supposedly in the peak of their beauty, and they all look like late 20's child care workers. They're already post-wall and middle-aged. What a waste of youth and beauty.

Would like to see that pic.

[AnonymousBosch]

(12-15-2014 02:56 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Would like to see that pic.

^ I would have posted it, but although they're of legal age in my country, I can't be sure about the countries of other users.

[the high]

The silver lining to having to work harder here in America for decent pussy is that it's like being Kal-el on Krypton. When you go to Earth i.e. overseas you become Superman.

[speakeasy]

(12-13-2014 03:18 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Like I said, if an American man is "good looking + athletic + successful", he should not have to fight for 7s.

If he is fighting for 7s, its is because he:

A) Has below average game

B) Does not know his own value

C) Both

"Good looking + Athletic + Financially Secure" guys should be dominating!

You and Veloce both make good points and neither is mutually exclusive. Yes, men can improve their lot through hard work. And yes at the same time, circumstances out of your control such as demographics can box you in. An an analogy, if we're going through a deep recession, more people are going to be struggling. You can always point out some guy who became a self-made millionaire through hard work during an economic downturn and say, "look at him, if he did it, anyone can, so what's your excuse?" And at a certain level, that makes sense, even during a recession, you may still be able to come out on top if you are savvy. But one would be remiss to deny that the environment is going to still be a setback in the aggregate for the majority of people, otherwise it wouldn't be a recession by definition.

The reason men are struggling in America is one that isn't much talked about in the media. I think most of it comes from the demographic shift. There is not one state where there isn't an under-supply of women in the 18-30 demographic.

http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/bes...ios-states

In California there are 22% more men than women in the prime age category.

You can play around with this slider and get some pretty granular detail at the city by city level: http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#

This particular piece of data from the site's author was telling:

Quote:

Way back in 2006, NYC had 200,000 more single women than single men. By 2011, that'd shrunk down to 150,000.

Look how much change that was in just 5 years. NYC is supposed to be the last good place in America for ratios, but even that is quickly eroding. Every major city outside of NYC(except for DC) is awash in cock.

Women know this. They know every time they go out and see how thirsty guys are and how much attention they get online and off. It drives up their value, and I think it goes a long way in explaining the things Veloce is pointing out. Learning game to overcome this is only a temporary solution and only works if relatively few men do it. If all men go out and learn game, then we're right back where we started, but with a higher bar. If you live in California and want to date an attractive 25 year old, there are simply not enough to go around for the men that want them, even if they all learned matrix-level game. That's just demographic reality. You'd have to increase the number of women by 22% through preferable immigration policies or something.

edit --

Keep in mind that these numbers aren't even subtracting all the fatties. If we're only talking about slim, fit and attractive(6+) girls with pleasant attitudes, the numbers only go downhill from there.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

@Speakeasy - that is a very important point. I grew up in the West with a steady surplus of immigration. It never dawned on me for long that demographics are a key factor why dating is much tougher for men. But the truth is that it is.

Practically all around the world 106 men are born for every 100 girls - since we men die due to accidents, prison, sometimes sickness, move away from a country etc. - then that usually equals at parity around age 18-22 if there is no immigration.

With immigration everything changes. When I moved to EE I suddenly realized how bad the situation was, because I saw the difference when a country consists of 99% of indigenous people.

Because in truth the media & academia usually publishes sex ratio numbers for ages 15 to 64 and says that there are barely more women. But what they don't tell you that the pendulum only swings to our side at age 50. In the West from ages 18 to 25 - the supreme prime - as well as the second tier prime of 25-33 we ALWAYS OUTNUMBER women by 20%+ - in practically all Western countries. The problem is even more exacerbated as women mostly move to the big Sex-and-the-City-style cities leaving the smaller towns in even worse conditions.

The odds are not in our favor - anywhere in the West. The reason why Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and some Eastern European countries are so favorable for men is because the odds are simply in our favor. Ukraine and Belarus has one of the best demographics where at age 20 (!) women already outnumber men - never mind the good men - those with a job, not in prison, being a drug addict etc.

And the situation is getting worse by the month. The elite goals for all Western countries is to be flooded with highly diverse immigrants - the majority of them men. There are a few exceptions like Israel, Japan and economic reasons in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus where climates will remain favorable for men for decades to come.

[OGNorCal707]

(12-15-2014 01:28 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

This is because your game is still in the beginner-intermediate stages, correct?

You just started working on your game about 2 years ago, right?

Keep going for another few years, keep pushing to get better..

When your game gets to the high intermediate stages, you will have to do much less work to get and keep 7s. "The Game" gets easier as our game gets better!

For me, the difference between the beginning stages and intermediate stages has been like becoming a whole new man! Women are now approaching me and gaming me! Two years ago that would have never happened!

I know you are tall, handsome, and healthy. If you keep working hard on your weaknesses and sticking points, in two years, you are going to be competing for 8s and 9s!

I am still in the intermediate stage myself. I look forward to eventually getting to advanced stages of Game.

I have been doing this for 6 years, I think Roosh has been doing it for 10+ years.

Personally, I don't think A+ game by itself and in and of itself is going to land a guy 8's and 9's, not in this current sexual marketplace unless you are in a location that is very stacked with beautiful women and a weak population of male competitors.

Travesty says he's 6 ft. 4 in., handsome, and in shape, so for him to improve his game and land 8-9's shouldn't be too difficult, but what about a guy whose 5 ft. 9 in., and average looks, is amazing game going to get him those quality girls?

Personally, I think that women are becoming pickier and pickier when it comes to looks and I'm talking the full package (height, muscular build, face, etc.), not to mention with hypergamy they want a guy with increasing status, if you don't have money, you got to at least be a DJ, or something cool.

Now I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said, and some may say I'm treading on game denialism, but my point is that game isn't going to get you that upper echelon of women on the 10 scale by itself.

For 8's and 9's if you aren't a tall buff Adonis you will need not only need A+ game, but high status and some kind of X factor. The better looking you are the easily it will be, no question about that.

Please let's not use Tyler Durden as an example of a short average looking guy pulling hot chicks. Also, if I remember correctly didn't Roosh do a blog post about pursuing a 6 quality female in D.C. on one of his last visits due to being horny and not having better options. There's a reason why he goes to Ukraine and Poland, like I said those are locations with a disproportionate amount of hot women with a weak local male population. Plus many people report Roosh is 6 ft. 4 in. himself, so while he doesn't have male model looks he is definitely checks one of women's most important physical traits when it comes to attraction.

[speakeasy]

This shit is even on Prison Planet:

@Zelcorpian

Exactly. Immigration skews in favor of men, and we are adding a 1.5-2 million new people to the population every fucking year. Mostly men. You rarely see young women immigrating to the US alone. When women do come, they usually come with their husbands and kids.

[AnonymousBosch]

(12-15-2014 03:35 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Nervmind, but for the sake of it: Posting the pic of a 15 year old girl is perfectly legal as long as she is not naked in it. I suppose the yearbook pic was not done naked and fairly innocent. But it does not matter - the young generation is going to hit the wall before 30 for the most part.

Roosh has a lot of enemies. I'm not giving them an angle for attack - even an obviously spurious one.

Did you see the picture of the chubby girl with her father holding a rifle and bible the other day? They were all pretty much that. It was shocking to me, because there were only two overweight girls in my year back in the 80's. Now they'd be normal.

For guys like Gio: it doesn't matter how high value you are when there's less and less women making any effort to maintain their health and appearance.

There was an article last year about a town a couple of hours from me where the men outnumber the women by 2.8 to 1. They interviewed some men and women, with pictures.

They looked similar to this in quality, but weren't even that feminine:



I was struck by the hideous, overweight women in the pictures. Not in terms of their letting themselves go - since women loathe any kind of effort or behavioural control, so left to their own devices will naturally devolve into something that resembles Grimace - but in terms of how they were carrying themselves.

These women, with back fat hanging over the back of their jeans, their legs looking like cooking sausages ready to burst, with flabby, sagging arms, and dropping gunts, all had the killer, focused eyes and alpha body language confidence of Sorority Queen Bees.

These were women who truly believed they were High Value, and a catch. The body language doesn't lie. There was no femininity in them - their poses were masculine, including elevated head tilts.

Give a woman sexual power, and she'll become arrogant.

[OGNorCal707]

(12-15-2014 04:03 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Give a woman sexual power, and she'll become arrogant.

[Giovonny]

(12-15-2014 03:58 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Personally, I don't think A+ game by itself and in and of itself is going to land a guy 8's and 9's

I agree.

That's why I was careful to never make that statement.

I said that Travesty444 would soon be competing for 8s and 9s. I said that because I know he is tall and good looking.

(12-15-2014 04:03 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

For guys like Gio: it doesn't matter how high value you are when there's less and less women making any effort to maintain their health and appearance.

I only go after girls who are 18-22 years old.

So, I only deal with girls at the peak of their health and appearance.

I don't even look at fat girls.

Fat girls are not allowed in to my reality.

The higher my value becomes, the more thin, healthy girls I get.

High value guys get thin girls

Everyone else fights for the fatties.

[iknowexactly]

(12-10-2014 09:59 AM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  

I think Rollo is right is that there are no lonely bachelors, especially if you have been around the manosphere long enough, you are confident in yourself, your mission, and what you are doing.

Maybe I am being optimistic.

You are wildly optimistic. There are many, many lonely bachelors.

They just don't whine because men are taught to not reveal failure.
There's a reason older men have the highest suicide rate.

I'm one, and I'm in the PHILIPPINES. My standards have gone up, and I'm hitting the gym hard to try to get what I want.

I think Rollo is an ex-rock star with a hot wife. Not typical at all.

[iknowexactly]

(12-08-2014 07:58 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

If a guy is smart enough to design something great, but not good with women, maybe we need to stop saying he's the problem. Maybe we need start thinking that if women have become too stupid to recognize greatness, then they deserve to be bought (and thought of) like products, because as "people" they're ruining society.

Modern society is built on the lie of there someday being "equality" between men and women.
You will never have a society of "equals" so long as everything you see out your window was put there by a man.

Ouch the truth hurst (sic) lolzlzllz.

Brilliant writing.

But there is an exception- the people you see outside your window.

Most of the "work" of manufacturing us is done by women. Failing to recognize that is something bordering on holy is the foundational flaw of hard-core "red-pill".

[iknowexactly]

(12-08-2014 08:59 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Great posts from DOA and it_is_my_time.

My simple solution is a world war.

I think this is probably a joke, but almost certainly said by someone who never lived through one.

Women are , or have been, bitchy and demanding.

You really think that's new?

[iknowexactly]

(12-11-2014 11:22 AM)makaveli Wrote:  

Some of us are pushed to live by our selves.
I don't even think I will have an education.. seems pointless to go to nursing school right now.. but let's see.

Fantastic and honest story from a unique viewpoint. I think you might be a little depressed.

Education is the one thing no one can ever take away from you.
You could commit some horrible crime, they can take your license, but you are still "Dr. xxxxx"

If you feel rejected somehow by society, education is a way to fuck them with their own spear.

You'll always have their certification.