I'm a 25 year old guy from NY and am in mini-retirement backpacking around South America in month 4 of what will probably be a ~8-12 month trip. My game is "okay" in that in the US I can consistently get numbers from bar game with 7's and 8's and convert those to lays after 3-4 dates, but I rarely get SNLs or 9's and 10's. My Spanish is at the level where I can generally have a 1:1 conversation, but it's hard to understand groups or in loud clubs.
I've been in Argentina for about 3 weeks now (1 week in Salta, 2 weeks in Buenos Aires). I just got an apartment in Palermo Soho in BA, so I'll be here at least another month. I'd been in Peru the past two months and Argentina's a huge shift girl-wise. In Peru, 80-90% of sets would hook, but they'd stall out when I tried to kino-escalate. In Argentina, I'm seeing maybe 10% hook rate or less and all my #closes have fizzled out before the D2.
I've read some of the posts on here about Argentina / BA (1, 2, 3) and a lot of my travel game is influenced by Bang Colombia. I'm definitely seeing short attention span. I've opened sets and had girls all line up to meet me when they hear my American accent then a minute later seem to have no interest in talking to me.
In dance clubs, it's been just a massacre for me. I can't get any girls to dance with me and I've tried a few different strategies multiple times, but still no success at all. The pulls I've seen discussed on the forums seem to be from clubs, so I'd like to improve here.
I'm looking for some advice from guys who have had success in Argentina. Here are some FRs of interesting interactions I've had in the past week in case they're revealing of sticking points I might have with Argie girls I'm not aware of.
Pub Crawl Gringo Chaser
I went on a pub crawl with a wing on Monday night, but the crawl got canceled due to not enough participants. The organizers didn't want a bad rap, so they got us free cover to a club in Recoleta (don't recall the name). After striking out a bunch opening girls in the club, I opened an HB6 who was in the pub crawl group. It seemed like she'd been talking to these two other guys on the crawl the whole night but they left when I came over even though I was trying to include them in conversation. The girl was an HB6 and it turned out she was Argentinian and lives in Buenos Aires, but does this pub crawl as a paying participant every Monday, which is sort of weird considering it seems aimed at foreigners so I thought likely gringo chaser.
After 15 mins of chit-chat, I invite her to dance, which escalates to making out, which escalates to me slipping a hand under the shirt and feeling her tits. Did this a few times and she would go along with it, but stop me after a few seconds. I tried putting her hand on my crotch and she'd rub briefly, but then stop. After about 30 mins of dancing / making out I try to bounce her back to my hotel room:
Me: Let's go.
HBGringoChaser: What?
Me: Let's go.
HBGringoChasser: Where?
Me: Someplace more private.
HBGringoChaser: [shakes head]
We continue dancing but my wing tells me he's tired and going back to the hotel and I don't see this going anywhere and wasn't willing to invest a ton in a 6, so I #close her and leave. I texted her 2 days later "Hey HBGringoChaser it's Arobin. How's it going!" (I actually meant the ! to be a ? - typo) and got no response.
El Alamo - Drink Grubber
Opened a 3-set by the bar at El Alamo with, "You guys seem like you're having the most fun of anyone here." They didn't understand so I switched to Spanish and one cute girl who would constantly smile started laughing and playfully hit me in the arm, which was a great start.
(in Spanish)
HBSmiley: Where are you from?
Me: The United States. New York.
HBSmiley: (playfully) No you're not! Liar!
Me: The United States.
HBSmiley: Liar!
Me: What? why do you think I'm not American?
HBSmiley: Your English is bad.
Me: Haha, what?
HBSmiley: (grabbing the hand I had resting on her side) And this!
Me: What this?
HBSmiley: American guys don't touch. That's an Argentinian thing too.
Me: We touch.
At the time I thought she just misheard my English and genuinely thought I was trying to trick her, but a friend later suggested to me that she was just being playful and I missed it, which is possible. I just ignored it and started talking about something else. About 10 mins in, she points out my wing who'd been talking to her friend a few feet away (not realizing we knew each other because he opened independently) and she said none of them liked him because when they asked him to buy them a drink, he said they should be buying him a drink, but this didn't go over well and they said he was cheap (and she pointed to her elbow and said "pato" or "pata" but I didn't understand this expression). She starts hinting I should buy her a drink and I ignore it. Then she asks me what I'm drinking and I'm thinking great sign, but I realized it might be a trick where she "orders for us" but then has the bartender come to me for the bill. I asked, "Are you inviting me?" And she says no, so then I say nevermind about the drink.
She starts pushing on the drink again and I ignore it and say, "Hey, I'm going to teach you a game. It's an American game." And she gets interested and I explain to her how to play Kill, Fuck, or Marry and she seems into it. Then I pick the guys and she suddenly cools
HBSmiley: That doesn't sound like a fun game. I don't want to play.
Me: You're killin' me, Smalls.
HBSmiley: What?
Me: Oh, I guess that reference doesn't make sense to you. Where's the playfulness, HBSmiley?
HBSmiley: [shrugs]
Me: You're really cute, but I like playful. (trying to get her to qualify herself, but struggling at this point)
HBSmiley: [shrugs]
Me: Okay, well, it was nice talking to you. See you later.
I was just bored with her and figured I could find other girls who were more playful and weren't grubbing for drinks, but I later regretted this because she was really cute and pretty playful at the beginning, so I think this set could have been winnable if I handled it differently.
El Alamo - Girl with Secret Boyfriend
I open two girls sitting at a table with "You guys seem like you're having the most fun of anyone here." They're friendly and when I sit, they say, "Yes, yes, please join us!" It turns out they're sisters and the older sister seemed a little drunker and got up and wandered off after a few minutes so I talked to the younger sister, who was 19 years old and an 8. I do some of my usual stack. She's a student and I correctly guess her major (I'm usually close just by educated guesses, but I got this one dead on. Sadly, girls never seem sufficiently impressed when I do this).
We talked for about 20 minutes and I threw out an SOI telling her that I thought she was really cute, then softening it with a neg saying I thought she makes really funny facial expressions and imitated them. I had my hand on her back through most of the second half of the 20 mins. It wasn't really escalating though and at the 20 minute mark she said she needed to find her sister. I pretended I didn't hear her and stacked forward, but then told her I needed to go find my friend just so she didn't leave thinking she was the one who ended the interaction. I #closed her and she wrote her fb and cell, which I took as a good sign because I've found any time a girl writes any information in addition to first name and cell, a D2 is very likely.
I friended her the next day and saw she has a boyfriend who was never mentioned even though I was pretty clear with my intentions. I figured I'd just ignore it and proceed as usual, so I texted her in the afternoon:
Me: Hey HBSecretBoyfriend it's Arobin (funny and sexy guy from last night). It was a pleasure meeting you.
No response and the next day I sent:
Me: Are you hip enough to know any cool spots to go out in Palermo?
No response. I was going for qualification, but I knew at the time it was pretty hamfisted and not well calibrated since she hadn't previously shown any interest via text, but I felt like this was basically dead no matter what and figured I might as well send something I wouldn't normally send.
Freeze-out in Palermo
I was in a club in Plaza Serrano (don't recall the name) Saturday night and my wing and I were waiting at the bar and I saw a 2-set next to us and opened with "You guys seem like you're having the most fun of anyone here." The hotter one kind of frowns at me and cocks her head, so I'm assuming she didn't understand. I'm waiting for her to say something back when my wing asks me about my drink order, so I turn and talk to him. I come back a minute later after we got our drinks and approach with, "Hey," but they just ignore me and don't even turn to look even though I was 2 feet away and clearly talking to them. I'm not used to shut-downs this cold, so I just ejected, but I'm not sure if these are salvageable.
Any feedback / advice greatly appreciated.
I've been in Argentina for about 3 weeks now (1 week in Salta, 2 weeks in Buenos Aires). I just got an apartment in Palermo Soho in BA, so I'll be here at least another month. I'd been in Peru the past two months and Argentina's a huge shift girl-wise. In Peru, 80-90% of sets would hook, but they'd stall out when I tried to kino-escalate. In Argentina, I'm seeing maybe 10% hook rate or less and all my #closes have fizzled out before the D2.
I've read some of the posts on here about Argentina / BA (1, 2, 3) and a lot of my travel game is influenced by Bang Colombia. I'm definitely seeing short attention span. I've opened sets and had girls all line up to meet me when they hear my American accent then a minute later seem to have no interest in talking to me.
In dance clubs, it's been just a massacre for me. I can't get any girls to dance with me and I've tried a few different strategies multiple times, but still no success at all. The pulls I've seen discussed on the forums seem to be from clubs, so I'd like to improve here.
I'm looking for some advice from guys who have had success in Argentina. Here are some FRs of interesting interactions I've had in the past week in case they're revealing of sticking points I might have with Argie girls I'm not aware of.
Pub Crawl Gringo Chaser
I went on a pub crawl with a wing on Monday night, but the crawl got canceled due to not enough participants. The organizers didn't want a bad rap, so they got us free cover to a club in Recoleta (don't recall the name). After striking out a bunch opening girls in the club, I opened an HB6 who was in the pub crawl group. It seemed like she'd been talking to these two other guys on the crawl the whole night but they left when I came over even though I was trying to include them in conversation. The girl was an HB6 and it turned out she was Argentinian and lives in Buenos Aires, but does this pub crawl as a paying participant every Monday, which is sort of weird considering it seems aimed at foreigners so I thought likely gringo chaser.
After 15 mins of chit-chat, I invite her to dance, which escalates to making out, which escalates to me slipping a hand under the shirt and feeling her tits. Did this a few times and she would go along with it, but stop me after a few seconds. I tried putting her hand on my crotch and she'd rub briefly, but then stop. After about 30 mins of dancing / making out I try to bounce her back to my hotel room:
Me: Let's go.
HBGringoChaser: What?
Me: Let's go.
HBGringoChasser: Where?
Me: Someplace more private.
HBGringoChaser: [shakes head]
We continue dancing but my wing tells me he's tired and going back to the hotel and I don't see this going anywhere and wasn't willing to invest a ton in a 6, so I #close her and leave. I texted her 2 days later "Hey HBGringoChaser it's Arobin. How's it going!" (I actually meant the ! to be a ? - typo) and got no response.
El Alamo - Drink Grubber
Opened a 3-set by the bar at El Alamo with, "You guys seem like you're having the most fun of anyone here." They didn't understand so I switched to Spanish and one cute girl who would constantly smile started laughing and playfully hit me in the arm, which was a great start.
(in Spanish)
HBSmiley: Where are you from?
Me: The United States. New York.
HBSmiley: (playfully) No you're not! Liar!
Me: The United States.
HBSmiley: Liar!
Me: What? why do you think I'm not American?
HBSmiley: Your English is bad.
Me: Haha, what?
HBSmiley: (grabbing the hand I had resting on her side) And this!
Me: What this?
HBSmiley: American guys don't touch. That's an Argentinian thing too.
Me: We touch.
At the time I thought she just misheard my English and genuinely thought I was trying to trick her, but a friend later suggested to me that she was just being playful and I missed it, which is possible. I just ignored it and started talking about something else. About 10 mins in, she points out my wing who'd been talking to her friend a few feet away (not realizing we knew each other because he opened independently) and she said none of them liked him because when they asked him to buy them a drink, he said they should be buying him a drink, but this didn't go over well and they said he was cheap (and she pointed to her elbow and said "pato" or "pata" but I didn't understand this expression). She starts hinting I should buy her a drink and I ignore it. Then she asks me what I'm drinking and I'm thinking great sign, but I realized it might be a trick where she "orders for us" but then has the bartender come to me for the bill. I asked, "Are you inviting me?" And she says no, so then I say nevermind about the drink.
She starts pushing on the drink again and I ignore it and say, "Hey, I'm going to teach you a game. It's an American game." And she gets interested and I explain to her how to play Kill, Fuck, or Marry and she seems into it. Then I pick the guys and she suddenly cools
HBSmiley: That doesn't sound like a fun game. I don't want to play.
Me: You're killin' me, Smalls.
HBSmiley: What?
Me: Oh, I guess that reference doesn't make sense to you. Where's the playfulness, HBSmiley?
HBSmiley: [shrugs]
Me: You're really cute, but I like playful. (trying to get her to qualify herself, but struggling at this point)
HBSmiley: [shrugs]
Me: Okay, well, it was nice talking to you. See you later.
I was just bored with her and figured I could find other girls who were more playful and weren't grubbing for drinks, but I later regretted this because she was really cute and pretty playful at the beginning, so I think this set could have been winnable if I handled it differently.
El Alamo - Girl with Secret Boyfriend
I open two girls sitting at a table with "You guys seem like you're having the most fun of anyone here." They're friendly and when I sit, they say, "Yes, yes, please join us!" It turns out they're sisters and the older sister seemed a little drunker and got up and wandered off after a few minutes so I talked to the younger sister, who was 19 years old and an 8. I do some of my usual stack. She's a student and I correctly guess her major (I'm usually close just by educated guesses, but I got this one dead on. Sadly, girls never seem sufficiently impressed when I do this).
We talked for about 20 minutes and I threw out an SOI telling her that I thought she was really cute, then softening it with a neg saying I thought she makes really funny facial expressions and imitated them. I had my hand on her back through most of the second half of the 20 mins. It wasn't really escalating though and at the 20 minute mark she said she needed to find her sister. I pretended I didn't hear her and stacked forward, but then told her I needed to go find my friend just so she didn't leave thinking she was the one who ended the interaction. I #closed her and she wrote her fb and cell, which I took as a good sign because I've found any time a girl writes any information in addition to first name and cell, a D2 is very likely.
I friended her the next day and saw she has a boyfriend who was never mentioned even though I was pretty clear with my intentions. I figured I'd just ignore it and proceed as usual, so I texted her in the afternoon:
Me: Hey HBSecretBoyfriend it's Arobin (funny and sexy guy from last night). It was a pleasure meeting you.
No response and the next day I sent:
Me: Are you hip enough to know any cool spots to go out in Palermo?
No response. I was going for qualification, but I knew at the time it was pretty hamfisted and not well calibrated since she hadn't previously shown any interest via text, but I felt like this was basically dead no matter what and figured I might as well send something I wouldn't normally send.
Freeze-out in Palermo
I was in a club in Plaza Serrano (don't recall the name) Saturday night and my wing and I were waiting at the bar and I saw a 2-set next to us and opened with "You guys seem like you're having the most fun of anyone here." The hotter one kind of frowns at me and cocks her head, so I'm assuming she didn't understand. I'm waiting for her to say something back when my wing asks me about my drink order, so I turn and talk to him. I come back a minute later after we got our drinks and approach with, "Hey," but they just ignore me and don't even turn to look even though I was 2 feet away and clearly talking to them. I'm not used to shut-downs this cold, so I just ejected, but I'm not sure if these are salvageable.
Any feedback / advice greatly appreciated.
