[TravelerKai]

@GE

She's fucking hot. Not to diminish how hot she is, but I saw lots of girls like this in and around Beijing. I don't know how Suits keeps his dick in his pants working over there. China is the ultimate numbers game. There might be three to five 7-10s in a city block in a Tier 1 city in the US. In China there might be over 20 at any given time. Almost all have tight bodies like your girl, plus or minus a little on the breasts. I found alot of that curvy body shape all over South China as well. Chasing average 5-6 street girls is a waste of time. Many won't take a handsome foreigner seriously in the first place, because they all know you can do better than this. I have gotten waved off plenty times fetish chasing various Chinese women that were ~6 over the years. I'm think I am still salty about that a little bit. Oh well. lol

Seeing is believing though. Anyone unwilling to go will never get to see it.

[Global Entry]

i pulled my main's photo down after thinking better of it - she was hidden by big sunglasses but I just wasn't comfortable with it anyway. Would be fine to show some pics to a RVF member known to me and let him weigh in on "quality."

No doubt you saw many hotties around Beijing - its a city of 20,000,000 and of course, there are more hot girls than any poster on this board could every hope to meet in a lifetime. Its borderline incredulous that someone would argue this point.

Unlike say Pinoys, Chinese girls, while longing for romance sometimes, are still ultimately very practical. Sure they have their own version of hamster but at the same time, most will look at a situation with a guy and ask themselves more objectively if its realistic that the situation will benefit them long term. That can be marriage, serious relationship or for some, a xiao san relationship that gives them a better lifestyle with their sugar daddy. A 5 will sense a player from a foreign country and will be skittish about letting you close as she knows, from a practical sense, you're likely to just move on. An 8 won't have that fear to the same degree, though it may still be there, and for sure, guys do hit it and leave.

My Chinese game is comfort game. I also use my advancing age to my benefit, as they might perceive a foreigner to be less likely to be a player at 44. But ultimately, having an understanding of their culture and not inadvertently offending them due to differing cultural norms goes a long way, with the 5s and with the 8+s too. Why the hell would they hang with you if you're going to embarrass them the first time you walk together outside. Face is everything.

[Suits]

(10-14-2014 10:28 AM)jdreise Wrote:  

I'll confirm what GC has to say above.

In short:
Chinese women are the ugliest in Asia and lack any and all outward sex appeal. The only reason to come here is money. The place is also a massive shithole with massive, systematic corruption and terrible pollution in the winter months.

(However, there is the potential to make a good sum of cash relatively easily)

If you're above average looking and want to bang good looking North Asian girls, go to Korea and learn a bit of the language. The food is also 1000 times better in Korea. If you're uglier (or on the fatter side) China might work for you.

Even if I was ugly and fat, I'd still most definitely choose SEA (for girls). China is ONLY for making money. I can't emphasize that enough. The place sucks

This absolutely spot on.

I love living in Beijing....and I still agree with the above statements.

That being said, Beijing (and Shanghai) offer a very modern experience if you spend time in the more internationalized sections of town. Food from any part of the world (usually reasonably affordable), opportunities to pursue a wide range of hobbies and plenty of interesting people to meet.

But consistently good looking women or a cultural environment that doesn't cause you to lose all faith in humanity? No way. You won't find those things here.

[TravelerKai]

(02-17-2015 10:17 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(10-14-2014 10:28 AM)jdreise Wrote:  

I'll confirm what GC has to say above.

In short:
Chinese women are the ugliest in Asia and lack any and all outward sex appeal. The only reason to come here is money. The place is also a massive shithole with massive, systematic corruption and terrible pollution in the winter months.

(However, there is the potential to make a good sum of cash relatively easily)

If you're above average looking and want to bang good looking North Asian girls, go to Korea and learn a bit of the language. The food is also 1000 times better in Korea. If you're uglier (or on the fatter side) China might work for you.

Even if I was ugly and fat, I'd still most definitely choose SEA (for girls). China is ONLY for making money. I can't emphasize that enough. The place sucks

This absolutely spot on.

I love living in Beijing....and I still agree with the above statements.

That being said, Beijing (and Shanghai) offer a very modern experience if you spend time in the more internationalized sections of town. Food from any part of the world (usually reasonably affordable), opportunities to pursue a wide range of hobbies and plenty of interesting people to meet.

But consistently good looking women or a cultural environment that doesn't cause you to lose all faith in humanity? No way. You won't find those things here.

Ah, makes sense now I always wondered how you you were able to work there like that without the distractions.

[elcidcampeador]

I still think Chinese girls are hotter than Filipinas for sure. You guys need to spend some time in Heilongjiang to find girls that look like Koreans (minus the eyelid surgery of course )

The major difference is that Chinese girls aren't going to touch a foreign guy if he can't help her with social status.

Is it really easy possible to bank 11K USD a month teaching at an international school in China? My buddy teaches at the American International School (the real one) in HK and makes half that.

[aguasin]

I have mixed feelings about Chinese girls.

They are so homogeneously awful in their attitudes, personalities and philosophies towards life that I tend to not even bother unless its pump and dump.

   
   
   
   

[Laner]

I am the first to admit that a lot of Asian women just do not "do it" for me. Yet I found no shortage of women in China. In fact, I am just coming off a bit of Yellow Fever after being there.

Granted 95% of the Chinese women were completely off my radar, I still seen enough genuinely hot women to keep me satisfied. In fact, in some circles, hot women over the 7.5 range seemed to be very abundant.

China just has way too many women to think that there are no opportunities. If I was going to long haul it in mainland China I would likely choose Shenzhen or Guangzhou over the north. I like the variety in those cities, and for a guy such as myself those two cities have enough money and poosy to keep me fed well above average man. I certainly felt that I was taking much more than my fair share.

A Chinese guy I was out with for business watched me work a very attractive girl and get her contact and was very impressed. He also laughed and said that while Chinese men will always make more money than foreign guys, they will also have to drop WAY more money on Chinese women. He seemed a bit in awe that such an beautiful girl was into me without me having to splash out cash.

Long story short, there are PLENTY of hot women in China. Much of it is where you go, who you are with, and how much game you have. But they are still there. And who the hell the cares about the average girl.

Leave them to the average guys.

[RichieP]

(02-17-2015 03:09 PM)aguasin Wrote:  

I have mixed feelings about Chinese girls.

They are so homogeneously awful in their attitudes, personalities and philosophies towards life that I tend to not even bother unless its pump and dump.

This is the part I'm interested in. I think we've established that yes there are hot girls in China (of course ), but what are they actually like, as people? To me the personality makes a huge difference... lets say it can add +/- 2 points, lol.

What exactly are these attitudes, personalities and philosophies you refer to? I'd love to know more. Especially with regard to how they compare to attractive asians from other countries - Japanese, Korean, Thai/Phils/Indo... etc.

Of course we cant generalize. But some traits systematically stand out in each culture. What's the stereotypical "hot chinese girl" like..?

[Suits]

(02-17-2015 03:09 PM)aguasin Wrote:  

I have mixed feelings about Chinese girls.

They are so homogeneously awful in their attitudes, personalities and philosophies towards life that I tend to not even bother unless its pump and dump.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Travesty]

I've banged 2 Chinese girls. Both had pretty sweet attitudes and seemed very caring. They also had good senses of humor and extremely tight vaginas. Both by U.S. standards were 7+. Both had C-cups on very skinny bodies. One had a great cute little ass with some hips too. Both made a lot of noise in bed, came very easily, and were extremely into the sex.

My sample size is small, but it is good and consistent.

This is also from a guy that thinks on average skinny white and Latina chicks look much better than the average skinny Asian chick.

I was in Thailand awhile back and I don't remember a single head turner. My gut tells me I'd enjoy mainland China.... in HK and Macau I don't remember any talent.

[worldtraveler3]

Were those 2 girls u met them in the us?
If so that could be te main difference.

Chinese girls in china and those living aboard can be very very different.
. Hk and Macau even Taiwan or those lived in us are very different.

The mainland girls are interested in money, although not really their fault as money is the religion is china. I agree with the above.

Give me a brazilian 8 or Colombians 8 with nice attitude, an amazing smile, great mannerism, and passion for life, I would take that any day compared to a Chinese 8 who is living in mainland.

Te hot Chinese girl obviously depends if she lives in cities like shanghai or countryside. they have quite simple mindset, give them good impression on u being high value, then do some interesting activities with her like visiting a cool bar.

Chinese Guys don't seem to understand gaming woman is not about money in general. Yes, give them an impression that u are not a beggar, but don't use it as a way to pick up

[Deluge]

(02-18-2015 03:28 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

I've banged 2 Chinese girls. Both had pretty sweet attitudes and seemed very caring. They also had good senses of humor and extremely tight vaginas. Both by U.S. standards were 7+. Both had C-cups on very skinny bodies. One had a great cute little ass with some hips too. Both made a lot of noise in bed, came very easily, and were extremely into the sex.

My sample size is small, but it is good and consistent.

This is also from a guy that thinks on average skinny white and Latina chicks look much better than the average skinny Asian chick.

I was in Thailand awhile back and I don't remember a single head turner. My gut tells me I'd enjoy mainland China.... in HK and Macau I don't remember any talent.

There are a lot of Asians in Australia, and a lot of PUA daygamers with yellow fever. Every single one would probably tell you that the Chinese are the least attractive Asians, though personally I don't think this applies to Overseas Chinese in SEA. If you'd ask them which race is the hottest, they'd probably say Korean, Japanese or Vietnamese. I don't have enough experience with the former two to comment but Vietnamese girls are banging.

[Laner]

The attitude of a "Hot Chinese Girl" that I was recently with, in China.

*This only applies to Mainland Chinese.

- She has never had to work too hard. Though if she comes from a poor background, she will do anything to make her families lives better.

- She has had men make passes and buy her things since a very young age, like 14.

- She understood very early that men really only want to have sex with her. Or to own her.

- She is seen as a status symbol, something to be shown off.

- She has low expectations of men, yet high expectations of value.

- She is often lonely

- She has a more realistic (masculine) view of love. Meaning she is under no illusions that there is "the one". This likely comes from the fact that ALL men want to sleep with her. Even men that are "in love" with their wives or girlfriends.

- Her "girlfriends" are often challenging, and she will rely mostly on that one special friend.

- She is narcissistic. She will enjoy looking at herself in her photos. She is turned on by the power that her beauty gives her.

[Global Entry]

While I'd emphasize again that this is one girl we're talking about, I agree that some of these attitudes are somewhat prevalent. I also would say that this doesn't equal to a previous poster's claim that "They are so homogeneously awful in their attitudes, personalities and philosophies towards life."

Separate note, I just showed our resident China expert Kai some unedited photos of girls I was involved with (or am) in China. In addition to the one I posted here already, I think he'll support my claim (he claims it too) of the available quality in China, to those who can get it. To those who can't perhaps go to Manila and lower your bar.

(02-18-2015 01:48 PM)Laner Wrote:  

The attitude of a "Hot Chinese Girl" that I was recently with, in China.

*This only applies to Mainland Chinese.

- She has never had to work too hard. Though if she comes from a poor background, she will do anything to make her families lives better.

- She has had men make passes and buy her things since a very young age, like 14.

- She understood very early that men really only want to have sex with her. Or to own her.

- She is seen as a status symbol, something to be shown off.

- She has low expectations of men, yet high expectations of value.

- She is often lonely

- She has a more realistic (masculine) view of love. Meaning she is under no illusions that there is "the one". This likely comes from the fact that ALL men want to sleep with her. Even men that are "in love" with their wives or girlfriends.

- Her "girlfriends" are often challenging, and she will rely mostly on that one special friend.

- She is narcissistic. She will enjoy looking at herself in her photos. She is turned on by the power that her beauty gives her.

[Nonpareil]

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[reco2100]

Hey man none of the pics showed up.

[TravelerKai]

(02-17-2015 10:17 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(10-14-2014 10:28 AM)jdreise Wrote:  

I'll confirm what GC has to say above.

In short:
Chinese women are the ugliest in Asia and lack any and all outward sex appeal. The only reason to come here is money. The place is also a massive shithole with massive, systematic corruption and terrible pollution in the winter months.

(However, there is the potential to make a good sum of cash relatively easily)

If you're above average looking and want to bang good looking North Asian girls, go to Korea and learn a bit of the language. The food is also 1000 times better in Korea. If you're uglier (or on the fatter side) China might work for you.

Even if I was ugly and fat, I'd still most definitely choose SEA (for girls). China is ONLY for making money. I can't emphasize that enough. The place sucks

This absolutely spot on.

I love living in Beijing....and I still agree with the above statements.

That being said, Beijing (and Shanghai) offer a very modern experience if you spend time in the more internationalized sections of town. Food from any part of the world (usually reasonably affordable), opportunities to pursue a wide range of hobbies and plenty of interesting people to meet.

But consistently good looking women or a cultural environment that doesn't cause you to lose all faith in humanity? No way. You won't find those things here.

You know I was thinking about this post Suits. You and this Jdriese guy. I don't know much about him, but I know that you actually have a little harem in China. Don't take this as a personal attack, but you are coming off like a cockblocker with posts like this.

You have lived in China for what? 2 years or more? If China has the ugliest women in Asia, why do you live there for so long? Can't be the money. Teaching English is not all that lucrative unless you are in that upper 10% group that is in Universities, etc. Is the money really worth subjecting yourself to the ugliest women in all of Asia? Combined with the worst polluted cities at that? Shanghai and Beijing?

Is that even worth your health? The smog in both cities are so terrible, that living there is like smoking cigarettes. To me it sounds like you are either balling out of control with this supposed money, incapable of making even above minimum salary in Canada, or trying to intentionally cockblock others from coming there. Regardless you are exhibiting an extremist viewpoint. Something that I have been noticing from your non-travel posts, like any of the police violence posts you make. For a Canadian, you certainly have somewhat strange and strong views about US police aggression.

It's one thing to have an actual preference, but it's another to come off as intellectually dishonest. Jdreise views do not concern me. According to his profile he speaks Korean and Thai, but not Mandarin. He pumped up North China's Koreans and Korea. He obviously favors that, which makes his post easy to understand where he is not to be taken all that seriously, because of an obvious bias. You however, I cannot follow this logic without my suspicions rising. You have helped many with teaching in China, picking up the slack Badwolf left behind, but if this post made me suspicious, I guarantee you many of the other posters I tell to PM you about stuff, probably outright suspect you of being one of the handful of cockblockers on the forum. As jaded as Badwolf got from living in China for too long, he never ever tried to cockblock anyone. He hated living in China tremendously and hated the culture but was constantly pumping up the women, Asians in general, and was at the end trying to convince you guys to marry them even.

The fact you two outright call Chinese women the ugliest in all of Asia sets off the bullshit alarm hard. Ever heard of Nepal or India? If all things were equal (economic, health wise, opportunity wise), no country would technically have a real advantage over another in regards to beauty, because pussy is still pussy. China has the worlds largest population. They have more women than the US has people. Despite how crazy it is over there, it is far far from the bottom of the dregs of either Asia or anywhere else in the world. Even I personally do not think China is the best in Asia, someone could rank it somewhere in the middle or bottom-middle and I can respect that, but to say it is the bottom? That's extremely fucking absurd and does incredible harm to your credibility with the others.

[RichieP]

I kinda took his post to be more about lifestyle/culture and personalities of the locals than hotness of girls there...

That said, yeah maybe he's keeping them all to himself and having a giggle ...

I remember meeting a Scottish dude in a particularly awesome unspoiled spot with super-keen chicks who earnestly told me "When you get back home... don't tell anyone mate. Just dont tell them about it here." Wasn't China though, haha

[clever alias]

China quality is pretty good, though admittedly they do cute a lot better than sexy, but worst in Asia? No way.

The attitudes on this forum are so skewed in regards to China: extreme this place sucks and extreme I'm moving there and never looking back, probably in part because everyone and their mother feels entitled to an opinion despite minimal to no experience being there. The other thread on China right now is turning into a shit-show too.

[Laner]

One thing I had to tell myself in China was that just because some provincial industrial shithole had 3 million people did not mean that it was going to have the same amount of hot women as my home of 3 million people. In China, 3 million people is practically a village, so most of the good looking women flee for brighter lights. Just like any rural town, in any place in the world.

I take most of what people write at face value. Would a negative view of Chinese women stop me from going to China? Hell no. I dont travel for the women. I dont travel based on what the internets say. I even liked Denmark, and found Danish women that I was attracted to often.

I would never move somewhere for the women. It certainly has a place on my checklist, but it would only factor heavily on my decision if there was a tie between two places and the female aspect was needed to tip the scales.

[elcidcampeador]

The one Chinese gf I had was the daughter of a top government leader in a 2nd tier Chinese city.

Her ex bought her an R8.

These girls expect this kind of flattery.

[Laner]

(02-19-2015 03:23 PM)elcidcampeador Wrote:  

The one Chinese gf I had was the daughter of a top government leader in a 2nd tier Chinese city.

Her ex bought her an R8.

These girls expect this kind of flattery.

And what did you buy her? Probably some food and liquor. Exactly my point here:

Quote:

A Chinese guy I was out with for business watched me work a very attractive girl and get her contact and was very impressed. He also laughed and said that while Chinese men will always make more money than foreign guys, they will also have to drop WAY more money on Chinese women. He seemed a bit in awe that such an beautiful girl was into me without me having to splash out cash.

Chinese women dont necessarily need all that flash. From what I know about Asia, is that when hot girls get everything they want materialistically, they still say "Now What?". When you treat a woman who gets whatever she wants like a Lady it triggers something in their brain that shiny things cant. As its been said 1000x before, good game trumps money.

This girl just had a trip to Bali 5 star with some dude. Two weeks later we are in a decent 4 star hotel. I tell her to order room service and she was so excited laying in bed looking at the menu and ordering. She tells me this is the best vacation she has ever had. In her own city. Two weeks after a 5 star luxury holiday in one of the most beautiful places in the world.

Women are emotional and can be guided to think on what emotions you want. If you let a Chinese woman think logical, she will. They are very good at that. But they are still women, and creatures of emotion. This is where you want to play.

[Travesty]

^ Yes yes yes.

[UnW]

[Satoshi]

WB? I would.