Quote: (09-13-2014 09:37 AM)samsamsam Wrote:
Quote: (09-13-2014 09:36 AM)DetlefMourning Wrote:
Quote: (09-13-2014 02:27 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:
Completely ignoring them is the same as accepting their current push to dominate every bit of society and every male space. You think they're gonna leave you alone? That's what the video game nerds thought. And the sports guys.
Anything you like to do, including sex, is going to be ruined if these people have their way. Don't believe it? Ask the college students who got kicked out of school and tarred as rapists for having drunken sex.
This isn't a harmless fad.
I'm not saying don't fight to make the world a better place. I just happen to believe that when you have a roach problem, killing individual roaches is 2 percent of the job. You have to clean your house to get rid of the roaches. Anita Sarkeesian is a roach.
Out of curiosity, using your roach and house example. What action would represent cleaning the house in this situation?
At times, you ignore certain things, usually those things that are not going to get worse, but her group of people are crazy, make things up, extract resources, which encourages them to be crazier because they think, "see I'm right people give me money." So they do it again, it becomes like a drug all the attention. All the LV purses they buy for themselves. But I highly doubt they buy gym memberships with the money they extract from others, interesting...
In the short to medium term, which I see as the next several years, I don't think anything is going to change in regards to the culture in this country. The women aren't going to get slimmer and less tatted up, and this climate of political correctness run amok we have, where anybody talking candidly or frankly on race, relationships, sex, foreign policy, the economy, social issues like domestic violence, whatever it is, we have this climate of political correctness that stifles debate and discussion and people get tarred with a digital scarlet letter for being guilty of badthought, that's not changing anytime soon. And in the short to medium term, nothing that any of us do is going to stop or reverse any of that. Digital media and the mobility of how fast information spreads and travels now amplifies this phenomenon. At an individual level, we are just pebbles on a beach.
Anita Sarkeesian is a sideshow and a distraction. There are people with lots of money and lots of power who are more than content to see the proles grab hold of GamerGate like a dog with a toy or a bone in its mouth and not let go. Best as I can tell, the biggest takeaway from GamerGate to me is that there's a disconnect between the attitudes and sensibilities of the vast majority of gamers and the gaming press that covers the industry and pushes out social justice pablum and orthodoxy. They're going to lose readers if that disconnect remains. That will get sorted out on its own.
I think one of the biggest obstacles to the manosphere gaining even more traction and influence is the Jezebels and David Futrelles of the world not even having to bother with debating on the merits, but instead pointing to the small percentage of guys that make (insincere) death and rape threats, or other coarse rhetoric. We should stick to stridently criticizing these people's ideas instead of making it personal. Jezebel vs manosphere is like Yankees vs Red Sox. We should stop fighting Lena Dunham wannabees because they're not the real enemy, just annoying as fuck distractions.
If men's issues are ever going to get any real traction in this country, the movement can't come across as hateful and reactionary, which is how I think the manosphere is unfortunately received by others. I think the biggest priority amongst ourselves is we need to make sure that we are working towards something positive in our own lives despite the culture we live in, and the younger group of guys, our younger brothers, our nephews, our sons, we need to make sure they buy into red pill thinking at an earlier age. Nothing is going to change in the near future, but if we win more people to red pill thinking on a broader scale, that's less slaves for the machine.