[robreke]

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[Akula]

^^^ I'm biased but in general I think it's very risky to bring one back and expose her to American culture & values and also for you to risk marrying someone who can 'divorce rape' you and destroy you financially and emotionally. It happens all the time.

Marriage is just a bad deal and very misandrist in the USA right now, unfortunately. It doesn't help that women are constantly told that they don't need a man, men are the enemy and that they are also bred to be incredibly entitled. Basically the culture is toxic for healthy marriages and you'd need to be on your game 24-7 preventing her from getting infected at least on some level.

Also, unless you're planning on spending time in Ukraine, learning some of the language and culture I don't think you're going to find the 'right' girl. I'm sure there are exceptions but that's my view. It takes time to get most of the 'good' women here due to the dating culture and longer- term mating process. These girls aren't easy at all and you need some time to woo them...and would certainly need more than a couple weeks to find the right one and generate enough attraction to even consider moving on into a relationship. From what Roosh has written and many of us experienced they are masters at gaming guys. Not all of them mind you but certainly the better looking ones say the 7.5s and above (who really would be 8.5s+ in the US).

So I'd think it'd be much preferable to maybe marry the girl here and try to do your business from Ukraine as opposed to bringing her back.

There are numerous threads about Russian and Ukrainian brides so maybe do a search and check those out. Or as El Mech said you can just roll the dice here knock one up and see what happens!

[TigerMandingo]

(08-08-2014 04:49 PM)robreke Wrote:  

Do any of you guys know someone who's just said "fuck it" and married a hot young Ukrainian girl and brought her back to the states?

I'm 44 and thinking of going to Ukraine and finding a 20 - 25 year old to begin a ltr with. I want to get married and have kids...a legacy of sorts. It's tough being 44 and getting hot , young AND traditional American girls....even though I'm dating a few young American girls now...none of them fit the marriage material bill.

I am wondering if the traditional young EE wife for the older man is just a myth put out by dating agencies....or if there is truth in it and it can be done.

I have to live in the USA long term as my business is here. Would like to hear if anyone knows if this has been done or if I'm just way out there on my thinking.

I'm younger than you but I've done it. I married a Russian girl and we lived in the US for a while. We divorced in the end but it had nothing to do with cultural differences (it helped that I spoke Russian).

Now, not that I want to scare you off or anything, but I knew some of these couples (3) and none of them lasted.

The story is the same. The guy is average joe with a decent salary, goes to Russia, and comes back with a wife. Everything is ok for the first few years but then the problems start. Communication is a big one. I dont know what your level of Russian is, but it becomes a problem if the girl doesnt speak English. The other problem I noticed was beta behavior that eventually turned these girls off. You can be nice/romantic with Russian/Ukrainian girls in the beginning, but she expects you to take the reins at some point.

These relationships couldve failed for reasons that I didnt mention. That's the thing, there's a lot of subtle shit in marriages that contributes to a doomed ending. EE women are big on this subtle shit (I might drop more info on this later). But hey, I'm sure for every one of these failed relationships there are ten others that are successful. If this is something youve set your mind to and have your shit together, I suggest you do it. Being with a Ukrainian girl has so many upsides.

[jimukr104]

^^^I have been married almost 13 years and getting a divorce isn't even an option. We were in our 20's when we married.
Tbh almost ALL marriages end regardless of who and where you marry..more so if they get back to the west.
I only know 2 other guys who are still successfully married to a UA/RU girl. All of them lived years in the FSU and except for one of them(but he buys her cars and stuff) most guys are beta. I don't mean in the gaming women sense. The other guy who is still married is /was a detective so I think it comes down to being an A hole and treating them like a local guy would. If he is law enforcement I suspect he is STOIC just like a local is and it works.
But I think the truth is for every success there is 9 failures. If one lives in FSU the situation will be different as long as the guy can continue to provide and have status.
But you present another issue...NOT ONE OF THE ONES THAT LASTED HAVE MORE THAN 10 YR AGE DIFFERENCE. Since that isn't really accepted in the west it won't be after she wises up and sees how age differences are close here. You have to remember they are a collective communion society. The nail that sticks out gets hammered. She will be that nail.

Personally I think it is also an advantage that wherever you live has a large population of FSU people to keep her inline. If you go to a city with a small community she will end up getting involved with the Russian church to fit in. Part of their mission is to hook her up with a single Russian/Ukrainian guy. It is true, I have read forums where the chicks talk about that years ago. Also know a Texas guy who's wife got manipulated away from him.
In NYC, philly, etc there are enough of them to go around that the church/community won't actively try to grab her from you.


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wondering if the traditional young EE wife for the older man is just a myth put out by dating agencies....or if there is truth in it and it can be done.

They will..it is more acceptable if you are a well to do provider and all but traditionally, even in the USSR , age differences were close. The big age differences came about because of capitalism. The marriage agencies brainwashed girls so they specifically would only meet guys over 35..but that was due to the marketing because only American guys over 35 went to UA. They were told young guys under 30 were the same as young UA guys..meaning no money, class or stability. In that case they will just date their own.

But things have changed in UA from what I can tell. Back when I was late 20's living in UA my age actually got in the way with the 22-26 group, they all wanted older guys(i was 28 lol) Understand that we look younger so girls thought I couldn't be older than 24-25 and that led me with the teenagers and shit lol. Girls would call me 'baby' ,etc. I saw guys over 35 doing better.
But today the young guys seem to get that group no problem..so I suspect dating is closer to western norms today.

[Constitution45]

I wouldn't bring a FSU girl back to the U.K or U.S, it is just asking for trouble. FSU girls are susceptible to Western influences when they have been here long enough. There are a fair few who don't, these ones usually reject the culture and stick to the own people.

Makes you wonder, I am surprised that as many marriages last for as long as they do, if even the ones in the FSU don't work out.

[TripleG]

Jim and Constitution are right on point, I think it would be a big mistake for most (other than some alpha guys with large bank rolls ), especially a beta provider guy, to bring an HB from FSU unless that person has all their bases covered. Jim mentioned the age difference and that is really critical. Seeing a young, hot chick with a "sugar daddy" is rare here compared to EE.
Just about any UA/Russian/Belorussian girl with half a brain would loose interest in a guy here if he were 15+ years older than her and displayed beta tendencies. As soon as she went out a few times and got hit by younger, taller, more handsome guys than her husband she would start developing alternative feelings and the urge to leave would grow.

The western culture quickly turns these girls into needy "sluts" with demands that would keep escalating. Sure, there are exceptions but they are few. I have contemplated finding someone overseas and possibly inviting them here (not maybe for marriage but just to live with me for a month or so after we were in an relationship and I had spent extensive time with her overseas) but then had to throw that idea out of the window. For now I continue traveling and just getting into mini-relationships.

The other exception that no one has mentioned is girls with kids. Especially in UA if a girl has a kid or two and is over 30 then it is almost a death sentence for her to find a single, successful guy her age to marry. Online dating sites are full of FSU women with kids who are looking for a provider guy overseas. That is a golden ticket to some of them to get out of poverty and provide a brighter future for their child however would any real players ever consider marrying such a girl? I would think that if one is older than 40 and has a kid of their own it would be feasible but for us younger, unattached (childless) guys that is a no-no.

[jimukr104]

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he other exception that no one has mentioned is girls with kids. Especially in UA if a girl has a kid or two and is over 30 then it is almost a death sentence for her to find a single, successful guy her age to marry. Online dating sites are full of FSU women with kids who are looking for a provider guy overseas. That is a golden ticket to some of them to get out of poverty and provide a brighter future for their child however would any real players ever consider marrying such a girl? I would think that if one is older than 40 and has a kid of their own it would be feasible but for us younger, unattached (childless) guys that is a no-no.

Actually those gals are just as likely if NOT more so to leave once they get to the welfare state. Here they are pursued and guaranteed to rape a guy in court and get support. They know this game VERY well.
I once told the story of 'tex' that I knew. He bought in a girl with a kid. She totally fucked him up.

Best is a girl who really doesn't want to leave(my wife) and you just move back due to other reasons(contract over,etc).
In fact I got married when my contract was over and my girl was like (we in wedding clothes) "wtf we are going to do now?" lol. 'i was like we got no money" she was like 'ok I got a job"
She also has to be willing to work but NOT ambitious. Ambition is a red flag with a FSU gal. Anyone who spends time there knows how they can be. Worker who will work without ambition to make 'cozy' home..ideal.

[Constitution45]

I am too young to talk about marriage but I had plenty of girls in Russia around my age that were initiating the idea of marriage. It does go beyond the whole visa, green card desire. Sure its a bonus but a lot of them want to stay around their families or they have a good thing going on at home. But I realised that it is a very popular thing to do out there, get married. I am not talking about in your late 20s or early 30s. But if you get married around 22-23 years, its something they can show off to their friends about.

However instinctively I always stayed away, although these girls were sweet in Russia, I knew that they would be impressionable to the poisonous culture back at home, if not the fact that there are so many thirsty guys around in the homeland. It was a good experience but the be all for end all, is that I have so much to lose where as they only have something to gain by marrying me.

Russian women are women in the end of the day, are just hypergamous as their Western counterpart, the only difference is that, its a more constructive hypergamy (if you can go that far). Its about getting married and not riding the casserole during their best years. However they will be looking to trade up on you, and even your most Alpha males will have a hard time dealing with the ego of an average Russian girl who moves up 3 points, when she starts living in the U.K or U.S.

[Chaos]

^ Yep, for girls marrying in their 30's is seen as a failure.

[Constitution45]

Yeah being a good natured older man who wants to enjoy what a younger feminine woman can offer, is going to be in for a hard time. Russian/UA women bring all sorts of drama with them.

[Akula]

(08-09-2014 04:56 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

Yeah being a good natured older man who wants to enjoy what a younger feminine woman can offer, is going to be in for a hard time. Russian/UA women bring all sorts of drama with them.

You got that right!

Sadly, bringing them back isn't really a good option I think. The ones who are husband shopping can be really tricky to bed down though (4+ dates), ultimatums after 6 months etc.

I think if they are not dying to get out and are ok with marrying them in their home country that's a way to go if you have to get married and want children. Otherwise why bother it's going to be a mess.

[Lika]

Night out in Kiev tonight, Thursday night.

First of all, some good news. I found a taxi company that speaks English and that is as cheap as the other ones:

Taxi Shanson: 044 548 2828

I went first to Shooters at around midnight (100 hr. including one vodka or whiskey): about 30% full, very small room and dance floor with very loud music. More men than women. I open pretty much the only good 2 girls set and get the number of an 8,5 but she doesn't speak much English. The staff is rude and the music is shit and too fucking loud.

I leave at around 1am to Dali Park. The night club is closed. Outside, I talk to a French guy who just arrived and becomes my wing for the night. We take my taxi to Deluxe club. It's closed.

We go to Sky bar (its Karaoke night with 10 people), in the same complex we go to Arena club, it's closed. Only 2 strip clubs / gogo bars are open around there.

We walk a little and take a cab to Buddha bar. The street in front of Maidan is closed so we have to do a long detour. we decide to go to Carribean club instead (latino bar), 70 hr, if I remember correctly. There aren't too many people on the dance floor. I open 2 girls seated, a blonde 9 and a brunette 7,5. I tell my wing to come seat with us. We talk and then they invite us to dance on some pop music. Then my wing tells me the blonde has a wedding ring. I ask her and she shows me. I dance a little and I go open a few sets at the bar: Pros and semi-pros. I come back to my wing and the two girls and I take their VK.
We dance a little more and we bounce to Sorry Babuchka (50 hr.). Low class club full of douchebags but quite a lot of girls. I open an 8 close to the bar who dances extremely well as soon as I get in but she blows me out. We dance with my wing and I step on the toes of some drunk asshole wannabe alpha who takes too much room on the dance floor and creeps on all the girls. It gets a bit tense, we confront each other but it doesn't escalate.

the music is cool but the dance floor is too small and there are some drunk Ukrainian and Arab guys stalking the girls. The bouncers don't give a shit. It's not a good atmosphere and the pretty girls stay seated in a very protected corner.

I eject at 3 am

All in all, Kiev on a Thursday night in August sucks.

[Thailand_Veteran]

On thursday night you should try Forsage. The only place in Kiev where you can party every night.

[Akula]

Very nice that Maidan has been completely cleared out now and the center of Kiev is sort of back to normal.

But to back up what Lika posted, night game is still pretty 'meh'. Dali Park was ok this past weekend but it's expensive ($20 cover, $10+ drinks) and has a bit of an overly upscale crowd with many girls evidencing a lot of 'attitude'. Still ok, but nothing great, again probably (hopefully) bc it's August , lot of people are away and school's not in session. But it seemed the same in July too. War in the east can't be helping, but if anything these girls seem to be drinking the patriotic kool-aid more now and sure as hell don't seem to be running into the arms of foreigners to 'take them away' from all this turmoil at home.

Shooters seems to be full of hookers and Turkish guys now (or at least the 2x I've been there during the past few weeks). There are a lot of semi-pros there too and relatively few 'real' girls from what I've seen.

Might need to finally try Forsage on Thursday.

[William Windsor]

Students are starting to return back to Kharkiv, Pushkinskya street was like a parking lot today. I would expect the same for Kiev and Lviv, that students would be making their way back to the city and that student areas and nightlife would pickup over the next two weeks. In two weeks school will be back in session. On the flipside, I would guess that in two weeks Odessa would be much less busy.

[Akula]

^^^ good to hear that.

In fact I was out this morning and ran into a younger student who I opened. She had some sort of paperwork that looked like registration material and although receptive she had to run off after a few minutes bc she was late for class (I guess). So does seem like they are starting to trickle back into Kiev which is good news.

Did 3 approaches this morning all felt pretty good but the one thing I notice is that many girls here seem to be wary of cold approach. I can only assume to the sex tourist thing here in Kiev. I recently re-read Bang Ukraine and boy what Roosh wrote about this certainly rings true for me. Chicks here seem to be very wary of daytime random approaches and even though they give out numbers it's hard to get follow up meetings. Contrast that with internet game where I guess women feel they can build rapport better - esp. for these late 20s early 30s types who are more willing to hook up and less idealistic.

I'm going to re-focus a bit more on internet game as the quality is pretty good. Came close with one girl a couple weeks ago and have started a massive push this week online we'll see what happens.

[Lika]

(08-14-2014 08:07 PM)Thailand_Veteran Wrote:  

On thursday night you should try Forsage. The only place in Kiev where you can party every night.

So we went to Forsage with Akula and another friend on a Friday night around midnight. There are 3 floors, we took a table downstairs, close to the bar, which was more target rich. It was very cheap (600 for the table for 3 but you can drink then for the 600 you paid)

On all floors, the music is so loud that it is practically impossible to have a conversation. At our table by the bar, my wing would shout in my ear and I would not understand him.

During around 2 hours, I danced and opened about 6-7 cute girls (7-8-9) outside the dance floor. They were friendly and smiling to me but didn't seem to be open to meeting a foreigner. The music level made it impossible to have a conversation and on the dance floor they were not open to dance close to me or to anyone else.
There were lots of aggressive Arabs in groups in this club too.

Oh well another club I will never go back to


We also went to Bora Bora (open air summer club on the island) and Dali Park on a Friday night. They are both very nice clubs with good music (Dali Park is very expensive: 200 to get in without any drink. A screwdriver is 100).

There were not enough people in Bora Bora So we tried another open air club next to it: Olmeca. It was worse.

Dali Park was full of rich people and pretty girls but the music level was way too high, even at the bars. Very hard to have a conversation. On the dancefloor girls don't dance with guys and there are photographers with big accessories who flash the girls every 30 seconds.

[rishboy77]

(08-30-2014 09:58 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 08:07 PM)Thailand_Veteran Wrote:  

On thursday night you should try Forsage. The only place in Kiev where you can party every night.

So we went to Forsage with Akula and another friend on a Friday night around midnight. There are 3 floors, we took a table downstairs, close to the bar, which was more target rich. It was very cheap (600 for the table for 3 but you can drink then for the 600 you paid)

On all floors, the music is so loud that it is practically impossible to have a conversation. At our table by the bar, my wing would shout in my ear and I would not understand him.

During around 2 hours, I danced and opened about 6-7 cute girls (7-8-9) outside the dance floor. They were friendly and smiling to me but didn't seem to be open to meeting a foreigner. The music level made it impossible to have a conversation and on the dance floor they were not open to dance close to me or to anyone else.
There were lots of aggressive Arabs in groups in this club too.

Funny now that you mention it but yes it was dam loud inside as I recall now too.
Still I think the club serves it's purpose. A steady stream of mainly 6 & 7's at dirt cheap prices for Kiev.
I remember last year my buddy who is oriental was attempted cocked blocked by 3 of her friends but she was that much into him she finally told her friends to take a hike.
She was a 21 year girl next door type cutie from Odessa.

[ohionukes]

(08-30-2014 07:30 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 09:58 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 08:07 PM)Thailand_Veteran Wrote:  

On thursday night you should try Forsage. The only place in Kiev where you can party every night.

So we went to Forsage with Akula and another friend on a Friday night around midnight. There are 3 floors, we took a table downstairs, close to the bar, which was more target rich. It was very cheap (600 for the table for 3 but you can drink then for the 600 you paid)

On all floors, the music is so loud that it is practically impossible to have a conversation. At our table by the bar, my wing would shout in my ear and I would not understand him.

During around 2 hours, I danced and opened about 6-7 cute girls (7-8-9) outside the dance floor. They were friendly and smiling to me but didn't seem to be open to meeting a foreigner. The music level made it impossible to have a conversation and on the dance floor they were not open to dance close to me or to anyone else.
There were lots of aggressive Arabs in groups in this club too.

Funny now that you mention it but yes it was dam loud inside as I recall now too.
Still I think the club serves it's purpose. A steady stream of mainly 6 & 7's at dirt cheap prices for Kiev.
I remember last year my buddy who is oriental was attempted cocked blocked by 3 of her friends but she was that much into him she finally told her friends to take a hike.
She was a 21 year girl next door type cutie from Odessa.

I feel your pain. I am in Kiev now. Compared to other countries, I am having incredible interest on the internet. So much so that I am flaking on a lot of girls, to which I say - Fuck them, they have flaked on men so much, they need a fuckin' wake up call. Ukrainian men are shit. They don't treat their women well, no ambition, cheat, etc etc. Ok - I am judgmental. I will judge a woman by who they date. Almost all Ukrainian women date losers. I spent the whole night watching guys grope a woman, who would half heartily protest, that it turned my stomach. At the clubs at least, many of the women have no sense of self worth. Be an alpha man, don't give a shit how she reacts or protests, and I think that will give you the best chance for a ONS.

My night? Shit, I have a date with a lawyer. A solid 8, probably an 8.5. After 3 hours she tells me she has to meet a girlfriend who is sad. Fuck it, I just told her ok, I like her but she is not the one for me. (My online game is - successful male looking for wife). I told her I am looking for my "soulmate", someone with whom I have a connection and passion with). After I tell her this, I tell the waiter I need the check and tell the chick I need to piss (to give her time to think). After taking more than enough time, I come back to the table to find the chick has ordered tea and dessert - and clearly has decided to stay longer. Yadda yadda, I don't give a fuck any more, and she stays with me for another 2 hours. She suggests having a drink with me at a club, to which I decline. I am fucking pissed off now (sorry - just honest. I close in the USA too damn easy), and I ask her where I could go after that for music and a good crowd. She suggested Barcardi Club at arena. I thought arena was just hookers, but she wasn't like that, so I consider that good intel. She tells me her and her girlfriends go there on the weekends to dance.

So she gives me a car ride to Arena. Shakes my funkin' hand. I go to Arena. It is 1:30 am. They tell me no entrance without table. Face control? Probably not. I see lots of hot chicks who can't get it. Fuck it. I walk to my apt near Maidan square. My dates texts me - wants to meet me for drink at Arena. Being alpha male plays it dividends. She tells me if I wanted to kiss her, I should have taken control. Beta fuckin' sucks. Lesson learned - I need to grow a couple. I was afraid that being too aggressive would make her think I was a sex tourist looking for just a hook up. FML.

I tell her no, I don't think she is serious about a relationship. In honesty, prior posts about ONS are accurate. Among QUALITY girls, 3 dates is the magic number. The date continues to text me. I continue the whole I am looking for the "one" and we don't have any chemistry. A gamble? you bet. But she tells me she wants to see me tomorrow. In all honesty, it is fuckin' nice to diss a girl once in a while and I didn't give a shit. I already had a date set up for the next date with a doctor, a single (separated) mother (i.e. - I will promise her and her child the world and fuck her by second date minimum) and a couple other chicks from Badoo.

So I say goodnight, she makes me promise to call her tomorrow, and I go to Vodka Bar. WHAT A FRECKIN' SAUGAGE FEST! But don't be discouraged. Seriously, I got there at 2:30am. It was literally 6:1 male to female. But the female talent was solid, average was a 7.8. Only one old hooker and one young hooker that I could spot. It was crazy though, hot 20 something girls dancing on stage, lots of turks, arabs, and natives. Surely the girls must be paid to be there. I don't think they were.

Alpha game in full force by the guys there. I saw guys grabbing girls left and right, sometimes with resistance, but minimal. In the USA, the guys would have been slugged by the girls for their actions. I say one guy suited up, very persistent, leave with a girl who was a solid 8.5. He looked like someone who would be on this forum. God bless him.

The rest of the girls? Lots of fuckable girls, but when I see a girl grind on a turk, junior doesn't work so well. You can find a young 7-8s here, but I am not sure if you would want her when all is said and done. I was surprised. For a Saturday night, I expected to see a bunch of 30+ something women here looking for a foreigner. There were a lot of young attractive women here. I think I could have easily invited one of the many girls sitting outside the club to my apt (pimp location overlooking maidan square) for a drink, but I needed to sleep since the real prizes were the next day (doctor, model, single mom). I had a 9+ model eye fuck the hell out of me when I left my apt (she was leaving a cab) - she clearly thought I had cash since I was living there. Like the soon to be ex-beta, I ignored her eye-fuck. FML

I don't know how things will turn out but I will update my report so that others can learn from my many mistakes.

[iknowexactly]

(08-30-2014 10:58 PM)ohionukes Wrote:  

... I ignored her eye-fuck. FML

I don't know how things will turn out but I will update my report so that others can learn from my many mistakes.

Great fast moving story, reminds me of Jack Kerouac haha.

[TripleG]

Ohionukes, since 90% of your game is online game are you using any pay sites such as UkraineDate.com or mostly free one's such as OKCupid, Mamba, etc? Also, how is the situation around Kiev, are the clubs okay or mostly dead due to the sad economic situation and the war?

[Lucky Luke]

I arrived to Kiev last weekend after dying of boredom in Batumi, Georgia. A few things have changed since the last time I was here last year. It definitely seems there's less nighttime activity, at least in the usual hangout places. Muzei is closed now, which is a shame because it was a higher profile club where it was quite easy to pull. Didn't go to Dali Park, but I might hit it next Friday.

I went to Decadence on Friday, it's a Summer club in Arena. Super plastic. For reasons I don't want to delve upon I ended up sitting in a table with my friend with two bottles and two Ukrainian friends (girls) who didn't drink. We started to give away drinks and even so, we couldn't finish the bottles and ended up super drunk. Picking up wasn't that difficult, but the ambiance was extremely pretentious. My natural pick up environment is clubs and even so I didn't really like the vibe. Anyway, somehow an 8 ended up in my table and I played some game on her, her friend, who was a solid 9 arrived a bit later but she was extremely wasted, so I focused on the 8. Nice girl but I didn't like her that much so I started saying random shit just for fun, like saying that my name was Alejandro (like the Lady Gaga song) and some other bullshit. It was already 4 am and my friends decided to go to a karaoke place so I took the girl with me.

The karaokes in FSU are a gold mine if you know how to handle them. It's just a question of singing occidental songs that make them have fun. I'm Latino, so I always sing "Livin' la vida loca" as soon as I hit the place. I would never, ever, dare to sing a Ricky Martin song anywhere else, but in FSU I always become an instant rockstar, essentially because the locals usually sing absurdly boring songs in Russian and the change of tone comes as a complete shock. I did that and, sure enough, at the middle of the song the whole place was dancing and most girls were eye fucking me. I was already convincing the 8 to come home with me when suddenly her 9 friend shows up.

It was my turn for another song so I chose a Justin Timberlake one. See, I'm not a good singer at all, but I don't give a shit and try to have as much fun as possible. So I start singing and the 9 just jumps me and we start dancing super sexy. The original 8 was not happy at all with her friend and the situation, and the vibe was fucked. That's a good lesson on why you don't have to be that drunk when picking up. Even more so after, in my next song, another hot girl from another table also jumped on me and I was too weak and drunk to understand I was completely fucking up my logistics so I switched girls for the third time and that was the final nail on the coffin. Just as a disclaimer, I'm decent looking, but nothing out of the ordinary, it's just that somehow being cool at a karaoke improves exponentially your attractive in FSU (two years ago, I was in a random club in Kiev and this girl approaches me and says "oh my god, it's the karaoke guy! can I hang out with you?"). Obviously, being fit and well dressed helps a lot, but that's the same everywhere.

So, I was a rockstar for the night but ended up with three phone numbers an empty bed and a funny story. On Saturday, with my friend we met some girls who were going to have a bachelorette party and they invited us to a club called Indigo, that I had never heard of before. No foreigners and good vibe, but the talent level was lower, only a couple of 9's and the rest 6-7. We were knackered so we stayed within the group but the only girl I liked there had a boyfriend and left early, so no much luck either.

I have hit on with a few Tinder girls but I'm not in the mood for dates so I haven't followed through. Still the talent level in this place is still amazing, especially during the day. I will go to Odessa tomorrow but will come back on Friday so if someone wants to go out, just ping.

[TripleG]

(09-01-2014 10:51 AM)Lucky Luke Wrote:  

I arrived to Kiev last weekend after dying of boredom in Batumi, Georgia. A few things have changed since the last time I was here last year. It definitely seems there's less nighttime activity, at least in the usual hangout places. Muzei is closed now, which is a shame because it was a higher profile club where it was quite easy to pull. Didn't go to Dali Park, but I might hit it next Friday.

I went to Decadence on Friday, it's a Summer club in Arena. Super plastic. For reasons I don't want to delve upon I ended up sitting in a table with my friend with two bottles and two Ukrainian friends (girls) who didn't drink. We started to give away drinks and even so, we couldn't finish the bottles and ended up super drunk. Picking up wasn't that difficult, but the ambiance was extremely pretentious. My natural pick up environment is clubs and even so I didn't really like the vibe. Anyway, somehow an 8 ended up in my table and I played some game on her, her friend, who was a solid 9 arrived a bit later but she was extremely wasted, so I focused on the 8. Nice girl but I didn't like her that much so I started saying random shit just for fun, like saying that my name was Alejandro (like the Lady Gaga song) and some other bullshit. It was already 4 am and my friends decided to go to a karaoke place so I took the girl with me.

The karaokes in FSU are a gold mine if you know how to handle them. It's just a question of singing occidental songs that make them have fun. I'm Latino, so I always sing "Livin' la vida loca" as soon as I hit the place. I would never, ever, dare to sing a Ricky Martin song anywhere else, but in FSU I always become an instant rockstar, essentially because the locals usually sing absurdly boring songs in Russian and the change of tone comes as a complete shock. I did that and, sure enough, at the middle of the song the whole place was dancing and most girls were eye fucking me. I was already convincing the 8 to come home with me when suddenly her 9 friend shows up.

It was my turn for another song so I chose a Justin Timberlake one. See, I'm not a good singer at all, but I don't give a shit and try to have as much fun as possible. So I start singing and the 9 just jumps me and we start dancing super sexy. The original 8 was not happy at all with her friend and the situation, and the vibe was fucked. That's a good lesson on why you don't have to be that drunk when picking up. Even more so after, in my next song, another hot girl from another table also jumped on me and I was too weak and drunk to understand I was completely fucking up my logistics so I switched girls for the third time and that was the final nail on the coffin. Just as a disclaimer, I'm decent looking, but nothing out of the ordinary, it's just that somehow being cool at a karaoke improves exponentially your attractive in FSU (two years ago, I was in a random club in Kiev and this girl approaches me and says "oh my god, it's the karaoke guy! can I hang out with you?"). Obviously, being fit and well dressed helps a lot, but that's the same everywhere.

So, I was a rockstar for the night but ended up with three phone numbers an empty bed and a funny story. On Saturday, with my friend we met some girls who were going to have a bachelorette party and they invited us to a club called Indigo, that I had never heard of before. No foreigners and good vibe, but the talent level was lower, only a couple of 9's and the rest 6-7. We were knackered so we stayed within the group but the only girl I liked there had a boyfriend and left early, so no much luck either.

I have hit on with a few Tinder girls but I'm not in the mood for dates so I haven't followed through. Still the talent level in this place is still amazing, especially during the day. I will go to Odessa tomorrow but will come back on Friday so if someone wants to go out, just ping.

Luke, I'm shocked. If I had a capable wing (unfortunately I always end up running solo) and a bottle of Grey Goose pretty sure it would be impossible not to have a good time at a club. Worst case scenario if the girls are not biting just make friends with some of the local guys, especially if you see them in a mixed group...more likely than not some of their girls are single.

Btw, any chance you could bust out a quick Batumi, Georgia datasheet? I hear it's more of a vacation spot for couples/families however did you at least hit the beach promenade or visit the Discoboat club there?

[Lucky Luke]

(09-01-2014 11:04 AM)TripleG Wrote:  

Luke, I'm shocked. If I had a capable wing (unfortunately I always end up running solo) and a bottle of Grey Goose pretty sure it would be impossible not to have a good time at a club. Worst case scenario if the girls are not biting just make friends with some of the local guys, especially if you see them in a mixed group...more likely than not some of their girls are single.

Btw, any chance you could bust out a quick Batumi, Georgia datasheet? I hear it's more of a vacation spot for couples/families however did you at least hit the beach promenade or visit the Discoboat club there?

The problem is that the bottle wasn't Grey Goose, but a Bacardi and an Absolut. See, we had ordered the Bacardi one for us, but then the club informed us that they had a 4000 hryvna minimum expenditure, so we had to spend around 2500 in another bottle, and Grey Goose or Belvedere were out of our budget. We were quite upset because it was a fucking setup and we were fooled like the idiot westerners we are. We obviously didn't actually wanted to spend that much at all because it's not really needed to pick up hot girls in Kiev. So it took a bit to recover (and many drinks).

We then had a good time. I talked to a few girls and gave many drinks away. As I said, picking up wasn't too difficult, especially with groups of girls, which weren't as frequent as in general here. I chose the 8 in the end because I was just too hammered to actively search and she fell into my lap.

This is probably the most top end club in Kiev now so it was mostly mixed groups and lots of Arabs and Russian highrollers so the environment wasn't the best to be honest. I usually don't care about the overall vibe of a place as long as there are hot girls around but even I have limits sometimes.

Batumi sucked ass. Bad. The average age was 15, and the average HB score was 5. There's just one good club in terms of infrastructure, Mandarin, and then two more, Sector 28 and White Room (or something like that) which were quite bad. Maybe it was because it's the end of the season, but it seemed like a very poor man Odessa.

This said, if you go with a girl, the city is quite nice and the food is pretty good, so you can end up having a good time. Just not to pick up girls.

[reco2100]

Hey guys how is the situation on the ground there related to the war? There is a story in the paper today from Tribune Media saying that there is no pretense anymore of the Russian military pushing into Ukraine. They even say they are rolling into the country with heavy weapons and tanks. Even Obama is complaining. That means it's got to be really serious. How is it affecting gaming?