[TheEndTheBeginning]

Do any of you guys offer coaching in the East Coast for night game?

Right now....i can't get past getting girls interested in me enough to want to leave with me consistently. I can approach and make the move, BUT my verbal game needs work. Plus i have the right logistics. I recently visited Iceland and seem to have this problem where i'm too physical with girls to where they are attracted to me physically but trying to game them, it just seems somewhere i struggle proceeding forward with them when they aren't comfortable enough to escalate further yet to where i get too impatient/frustrated as its hard for me to escalate verbally with them and have relied too much on physical stuff. This even happens with girls solo.

I usually sarge alone.

[Windom Earle]

Probably for the newbie forum I would think.

For starters, just try having indirect, normal conversations with these girls - like you are talking to a good friend. Relax, don't put so much emphasis on going for the SNL, chicks can sense that and are often put off by it as it comes from a desperate/needy place.

Try to avoid any serious or negative topics, stick to lighter side - and don't be afraid to improvise and direct the conversation to where you want it to go (frame control). If you're someone who feels that they lack momentum with conversations, query something she said, get her to expand on it. This will give you more conversation threads to go on as she inevitably mentions more and more things. If you're doing less than half of the talking, you're probably doing reasonably well too, in fact, this is something you should aim toward.

A strategy like this will lift a weight off your mind and allow you to interact more freely, particularly if you're having trouble verbally as you say. Results will most likely follow.

[AntiTrace]

Wanna narrow it down more than on coast of the united states?

We need to know a general location your near, to see if your near us.

[TheEndTheBeginning]

(03-29-2014 08:40 AM)Windom Earle Wrote:  

Probably for the newbie forum I would think.

For starters, just try having indirect, normal conversations with these girls - like you are talking to a good friend. Relax, don't put so much emphasis on going for the SNL, chicks can sense that and are often put off by it as it comes from a desperate/needy place.

You're very right! Hell, the guys i was with recommended also to just keep things light and not to take it too too seriously and just have fun talking with them. And ironically, the girls seem to be more relaxed/have more fun around me/touch me more. I did notice that at times i came off frustrated and appeared overeager at times. They told me they notice a big difference from when i'm just talking with them vs trying to get with them.

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Try to avoid any serious or negative topics, stick to lighter side - and don't be afraid to improvise and direct the conversation to where you want it to go (frame control). If you're someone who feels that they lack momentum with conversations, query something she said, get her to expand on it. This will give you more conversation threads to go on as she inevitably mentions more and more things. If you're doing less than half of the talking, you're probably doing reasonably well too, in fact, this is something you should aim toward.

I"m a more quiet game to where i let most people do the talking anyhow. I think i just lack momentum when the girl just doesn't open herself in regards to conversation. But expanding on what she said, thats a great idea!

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A strategy like this will lift a weight off your mind and allow you to interact more freely, particularly if you're having trouble verbally as you say. Results will most likely follow.

I think that too is what i need to do. Just lift the weight off and not be so worried about not getting with the girl but of course do what i can. If things end there, they end there...there are other chicks. Thank you for your advice, its definitely helping so far after noticing a different the next night!

AntiTrace Wrote:

Wanna narrow it down more than on coast of the united states?

We need to know a general location your near, to see if your near us.

Sure thing bud! I'm in the Northern Virginia area.

[TheEndTheBeginning]

The good part is that atleast there's New York City nearby where i can practice alot more

[TheEndTheBeginning]

I am going to NYC in two weeks so we'll from there.

[Cyclone]

I think you need to focus more on just having fun w/ the girl than pulling a 1-night stand, success also comes from just having a great time and leaving a good (seductive) impression on the girl. Hopefully you are leaving with numbers, but yeah if yr not steering the conversation into a seductive direction then theres no place for you to escalate physically..

Good luck in NYC
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[TheEndTheBeginning]

(04-09-2014 08:53 AM)Cyclone Wrote:  

I think you need to focus more on just having fun w/ the girl than pulling a 1-night stand, success also comes from just having a great time and leaving a good (seductive) impression on the girl. Hopefully you are leaving with numbers, but yeah if yr not steering the conversation into a seductive direction then theres no place for you to escalate physically..

Good luck in NYC
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Thanks Cyclone! Steering the convo into a seductive direction....show more of my fun, flirty...sexual side. Def not a bad idea, im improving with it .

After going to NYC this weekend, it turned out that I did improve BUT i could've persisted more rather than give up on the girl that easy. I did make out with more girls but after that, things fizzled out BUT its because i wasnt persistent enough afterward. I noticed that after a girl wouldn't show much active interest, i would just give up and move on to the next one rather than give her time to warm up to me. I was less outcome dependent which was good BUT at the same time...I could've had more belief the pull can happen.

It was a great learning experience! I def know what I can improve on .

So far I've noticed a few things that i can actively work on:

1) Have more fun-I'm definitely having more fun and its definitely showing.
2) Persist with girls who are interested but put out objections-I tend to give up on girls too fast...when they aren't showing much active interest. I tend to just move on to another girl who gives me more to work with. For example, if a girl is still with u but putting out she's leaving with her friends, ignore it and continue to assume that you'll leave with her. Even if she says no, if she's not dismissing me and still there....keep it going.
3) Have belief that you'll pull her-I noticed that whenever a girl had friends involved in some fashion, i thought a pull couldn't happen cuz it was a lost battle but in reality....All i have to do is ignore that objection and keep going.

I feel i'm on the right track atleast.