[buja]

(03-19-2014 11:56 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 06:01 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Even though USA has 14 million illegal Mexicans who our politicians want to grant with amnesty, they treat other foreigners (such as Europeans) as if they were criminals.

Fixed.

Actually 14 million (or 10-13 million depending on the method) is the estimate of total illegal immigrants...NOT just Mexicans, not all illegal immigrants are Mexican.

The estimation of the percentage of Mexican nationals of the total illegal immigrant population is about 60%.

[Vicious]

I've partaken in the Green card lottery twice. No luck.

Seems as if though I would have more success illegally immigrating from Mexico.

[azulsombra]

(03-19-2014 12:01 PM)buja Wrote:  

As I understand the, Green Card Lottery is not open to certain nationalities that are 'overrepresented' in the US such as Chinese, Canadian, and Mexican.

Do any other countries have such a green card lottery?
I wish, I'd enter for sure.

Im curious about this as well. I thought canada did the same thing but further research proved it false. Maybe Australia or New Zealand? I think the whole green card lottery idea is ridiculous especially because I know of almost no other country with a reciprocal lottery system for 'muricans.

[tpiddy]

I've dated some FOB students on student visas here in SF and I'm fairly sure quite a few ended up overstaying their visas or not going to school and just working and becoming illegal. I've also heard about a lot of immigrants paying others to get married to get green cards as well.

The truth is the people in a lot of countries do want to stay in the US any way they can and every time the government lets someone visit they are taking a risk. I'm sure there's some level of statistical analysis that factors into which people from which countries get visas.

The best way to prevent illegal immigration is to make it harder for businesses to employ them. If they couldn't stay and get jobs they would have a lot more incentive to go home. Then, the US could open up the tourist visas a bit more to riskier countries. One example to support this is that Mexico's economy has picked up and we aren't getting net new illegals from there anymore.

Overall I'd say that I am basically pro-amnesty and pro-stricter enforcement of immigration and work-related laws. The government just needs to roll out both at the same time.

[the_ox]

In 2008, my company wanted to send me to Vegas in a very important IT event in LA

So I was here in Sao Paulo trying to get my visa. Had to pay the fees, getting a lot of documents, filling a lot of paper (Roosh has no idea what is asked in these forms. If you feel shocked about what you saw, you'd kill yourself because of other "not nice" questions) and, well, a lot of hardwork to do.

I will not write the questions here because I saw a lot of very sad facts about US government and the internet - like, once a guy here blamed Bush in some US website and the government just came here and denied him to enter in US.

So, yeah, they denied because they said I had just "weak roots" in Brazil (I wasn't married [I was 23], I didn't buy a house, a car etc). Was a bad week that one.

[Volk]

Nevermind that, have you seen the US embassy in Bogota? It's disgusting, it's the only building in Colombia with anti-air missiles, it has 3 rings of bunkers, and the only thing people go there for is to get humiliated to get a visa.

I've had to do it 2 times to visit my aunt in the US. First, outside the building, they classify you into groups. Then, you getclassified into 5 more groups, depending on your social background. You get a pat down that makes the TSA a joke : Somebody I know got thrown into a jail inside because he was constipated and could not shit and security thought he was hiding a weapon from the Xrays.

Then you get to the second row of bunkers, where they take all your data, your fingerprints, your paperwork. The queue on this closes at 10am exactly. If you could not get there, you have lost your money.

After, you have to wait from 2 to 4 hours until they process your information and dig up all they can from you. It's quicker if you have been there before. However, it's pretty common to stay inside the inner bunker ring from 9 am to 5pm, without any food. You can get water in the toilers and a small shop is allowed to sell overpriced coffee.

After you are called (once, you miss, you are fucked), you have a standup interview with somebody behind 3 layers of antiballistic glass. You are not allowed to talk, only to listen and answer the questions. If you ask a question or assert a point your visa is denied on the spot. The meeting lasts between 2 and 5 minutes but it's said that when they call you the choice is 95% done.

The approval rates for visas, until recently, was 10%.

I wish I was making this up. I would rather chew glass than to ask for a US visa again.

[Ardbeg]

(03-19-2014 12:33 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 12:01 PM)buja Wrote:  

As I understand the, Green Card Lottery is not open to certain nationalities that are 'overrepresented' in the US such as Chinese, Canadian, and Mexican.

Do any other countries have such a green card lottery?
I wish, I'd enter for sure.

Im curious about this as well. I thought canada did the same thing but further research proved it false. Maybe Australia or New Zealand? I think the whole green card lottery idea is ridiculous especially because I know of almost no other country with a reciprocal lottery system for 'muricans.

What many people don't know is that the green card lottery (officially Diversity Visa Lottery) was started to increase White immigration from European countries (specifically Ireland). Ted Kennedy was the key Senator behind it's creation. Most legal immigration to the U.S. is family-based (i.e. you have a spouse, mother, brother who is an American and petitions you to come to the U.S.). And it's for immediate family members only; so if you are an American citizen, you can't petition for your second-cousin from Poland. Now most foreigners who have an immediate family member in the U.S. are from Asia and Latin America. Well, a backdoor way to allow European immigration to the U.S. was to create this Diversity Visa lottery. Of course you couldn't call it "Increase White European immigrants" visas, you have to allow other countries to participate [But if you notice, countries from where most foreigners legally emigrate like India, China, Pakistan, are not eligible for the Diversity Visa]

[BCien]

I know a lot of Mexicans with visitor visas, by the way to cross illegally will cost you about $3000 to $5000 through the desert and you run the risk of getting raped by the border patrol or being left somewhere by the "coyotes" dying from dehydration etc.. However if you cross through the checkpoint could range from $7000 to even $10,000 depending on how easy it would be, that means either hiding in a trunk,climbing the top of the checkpoint at night or with a contact working inside (US Customs) letting you go by with someone elses papers.

[runninutebball]

I've heard the Ted Kennedy explanation as well and it makes sense but the implementation has been awful. Most euro countries don't use their allotment. overrepresented groups may not be eligible but you know who is? everyone else. yemen uses its full allotment to bring us fresh crops uneducated, unskilled labor (to fill factories we no longer have) who speak zero English and don't even understand modern standard Arabic which means they ate also likely illiterate

[runninutebball]

This thread is just full of the typical RVF anti-US BS. If you want good visa advice go to the other thread or http://www.visajourney.com.

Just change the name of this thread to whiny bitching about US visas since it is light on practical advice

[eye]

(03-19-2014 04:01 PM)the_ox Wrote:  

So I was here in Sao Paulo trying to get my visa. Had to pay the fees, getting a lot of documents, filling a lot of paper (Roosh has no idea what is asked in these forms. If you feel shocked about what you saw, you'd kill yourself because of other "not nice" questions) and, well, a lot of hardwork to do.

I will not write the questions here because I saw a lot of very sad facts about US government and the internet - like, once a guy here blamed Bush in some US website and the government just came here and denied him to enter in US.

Check out the questions, here: http://photos.state.gov/libraries/jamaic...ctions.pdf
Some are very compelling, indeed!

[Beirut]

My experience with the american visa has been very positive. Id go as far as to say it has been the most pleasant surprisingly enough.

Yes they ask 20 questions about me being a terrorist within the application but thats fine. The embassy staff is always nice and the first time they gave me a one year visa then 5 years every time.


Europe however is a pain in the ass.

Eastern bloc youre expected to bribe your way by using travel agencies.

Western europe if i apply for a trip of 2 weeks they often give me a visa that ends the exact day my return ticket falls under.

The americans SEEM to have a better process for filtering which makes them trust their visas more.

[Saweeep]

(04-22-2016 03:46 AM)eye Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 04:01 PM)the_ox Wrote:  

So I was here in Sao Paulo trying to get my visa. Had to pay the fees, getting a lot of documents, filling a lot of paper (Roosh has no idea what is asked in these forms. If you feel shocked about what you saw, you'd kill yourself because of other "not nice" questions) and, well, a lot of hardwork to do.

I will not write the questions here because I saw a lot of very sad facts about US government and the internet - like, once a guy here blamed Bush in some US website and the government just came here and denied him to enter in US.

Check out the questions, here: http://photos.state.gov/libraries/jamaic...ctions.pdf
Some are very compelling, indeed!

Aside from the ridiculous ones about genocide, terrorism and torture, they all seem fairly reasonable questions to ask.

[samsamsam]

(04-22-2016 04:46 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

My experience with the american visa has been very positive. Id go as far as to say it has been the most pleasant surprisingly enough.

Yes they ask 20 questions about me being a terrorist within the application but thats fine. The embassy staff is always nice and the first time they gave me a one year visa then 5 years every time.


Europe however is a pain in the ass.

Eastern bloc youre expected to bribe your way by using travel agencies.

Western europe if i apply for a trip of 2 weeks they often give me a visa that ends the exact day my return ticket falls under.

The americans SEEM to have a better process for filtering which makes them trust their visas more.

You are from Lebanon and it is easy to get a visa? Or you are just screwing around with your flag and username?

[WeekendCasanova]

(04-22-2016 08:52 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(04-22-2016 04:46 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

My experience with the american visa has been very positive. Id go as far as to say it has been the most pleasant surprisingly enough.

Yes they ask 20 questions about me being a terrorist within the application but thats fine. The embassy staff is always nice and the first time they gave me a one year visa then 5 years every time.


Europe however is a pain in the ass.

Eastern bloc youre expected to bribe your way by using travel agencies.

Western europe if i apply for a trip of 2 weeks they often give me a visa that ends the exact day my return ticket falls under.

The americans SEEM to have a better process for filtering which makes them trust their visas more.

You are from Lebanon and it is easy to get a visa? Or you are just screwing around with your flag and username?

He's from Lebanon.

A lot of my foreign friends have visited both the US and Canada, and have found that most of the time, getting a visa in the US is easier than Canada. Ukrainians, for example, have a hard time coming to Canada when compared to the US.

[Beirut]

(04-22-2016 08:52 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(04-22-2016 04:46 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

My experience with the american visa has been very positive. Id go as far as to say it has been the most pleasant surprisingly enough.

Yes they ask 20 questions about me being a terrorist within the application but thats fine. The embassy staff is always nice and the first time they gave me a one year visa then 5 years every time.


Europe however is a pain in the ass.

Eastern bloc youre expected to bribe your way by using travel agencies.

Western europe if i apply for a trip of 2 weeks they often give me a visa that ends the exact day my return ticket falls under.

The americans SEEM to have a better process for filtering which makes them trust their visas more.

You are from Lebanon and it is easy to get a visa? Or you are just screwing around with your flag and username?

Yeah Im Lebanese. have had a visa for the US 3 times now (first time for one year, second and third for 5 years). Never had any problem. I didnt have problems with European ones either but they were always very restricted in terms of time and documents. Last US visa i applied to, they didnt even bother collecting the physical papers (They do have an extensive databank about everyone though, as i understand).

^^^And yes the canadian visa is randomly a pain in the ass. A friend of mine works in the US and tried attending several family events in Canada and always gets randomly denied.