[MikeCF]

^ Yep.

If guys don't like SF, why whine like girls?

Take action like men.

Move.

Phoenix/Scottsdale is cheap.

Vegas is cheap to live in, too.

[WestCoast]

^ agreed.

If you hate on the city it means your overall life sucks. Same theme as always "reality" versus "your reality".

As you guys know I am not complaining I am just observing the game changes.

If the situation is really going to be better elsewhere just pack your bags and hit the road. This is also why when people ask me about cataclysmic doomsday type scenarios I always say I will pack my shit and leave then

Basically my post above was:
1. Game is much harder now
2. Quality is down

.... However.....

The increase in wages has been huge if you continue to work in the right space. There is always something good going on.

I'd say today? SF is the #1 place in the world to make money. If you're not making money in SF you won't make money anywhere.

If money isn't your thing the out doors/cultural stuff all mentioned is true. That's not my thing perse but it is true. I would leave if the city paid like crap.

[Menace]

WC, given your industry, I've always been curious as to why are you in SF instead of NYC. Any thoughts of moving, or is your firms (or your portfolio) focus so tech-centered that it makes no sense to be in NYC?

[WestCoast]

^ ha I sent you a PM I am not gonna answer that on here.

[Vaun]

In SF and LA coming up soon. For SF will probably go to Half Moon for a day, play some golf, hang at Mavericks and have a good microbrew, then in the city probably kick around North Beach, get a few good workouts at a buddys gym, maybe go have some real burritos in the Mission. In LA, torn as to whether to stay by the beach and get some sun and fresh air, or check out the Standard downtown, because I never stay downtown but I know its cool. Hang with some friends in Echo Park, eat some good food, enjoy the vibe. Every time I fly back I am kicking and screaming.

Westcoast, would say NYC is #1 for making money as an entrepreneur(i.e. access to more resources, talent, capital, etc), SF/SV is next, but thats my east coast provincial side, LOL

[Hispanic_Reasoning]

(02-28-2014 05:48 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 05:37 PM)Hispanic_Reasoning Wrote:  

you got to have dough in order to do well in SF because of the costs. otherwise, it's better to leave.

5 years ago. I almost moved to Arizona. It's much cheaper and the girls are much better.

Then, I got lucky...

The real estate market crashed. The world economy tanked.

I found a cheap condo in foreclosure.

One of the smartest things I ever did.

If that did not happen, I would be in Arizona right now.

You might think about moving a better place..?

Seriously, why not?

Fuck, I know its tough!!!

I'm considering moving to Houston Texas, or somewhere else in the South. similar weather, better girls, and cheaper than California. I just can't do it here in California. COL will rape me alive, even if I get a good paying job.

[Hispanic_Reasoning]

(02-28-2014 06:04 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

^ Yep.

If guys don't like SF, why whine like girls?

Take action like men.

Move.

Phoenix/Scottsdale is cheap.

Vegas is cheap to live in, too.

only reason why I haven't left is because I go to school here in the Bay Area. other than that, I would have packed my bags in June 2012.

[Stun]

(02-28-2014 07:58 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

In SF and LA coming up soon. For SF will probably go to Half Moon for a day, play some golf, hang at Mavericks and have a good microbrew, then in the city probably kick around North Beach, get a few good workouts at a buddys gym, maybe go have some real burritos in the Mission. In LA, torn as to whether to stay by the beach and get some sun and fresh air, or check out the Standard downtown, because I never stay downtown but I know its cool. Hang with some friends in Echo Park, eat some good food, enjoy the vibe. Every time I fly back I am kicking and screaming.

Westcoast, would say NYC is #1 for making money as an entrepreneur(i.e. access to more resources, talent, capital, etc), SF/SV is next, but thats my east coast provincial side, LOL

I take it you have been here before?

[Vaun]

(02-28-2014 08:53 PM)Sugar Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 07:58 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

In SF and LA coming up soon. For SF will probably go to Half Moon for a day, play some golf, hang at Mavericks and have a good microbrew, then in the city probably kick around North Beach, get a few good workouts at a buddys gym, maybe go have some real burritos in the Mission. In LA, torn as to whether to stay by the beach and get some sun and fresh air, or check out the Standard downtown, because I never stay downtown but I know its cool. Hang with some friends in Echo Park, eat some good food, enjoy the vibe. Every time I fly back I am kicking and screaming.

Westcoast, would say NYC is #1 for making money as an entrepreneur(i.e. access to more resources, talent, capital, etc), SF/SV is next, but thats my east coast provincial side, LOL

I take it you have been here before?

yeah, for the past 15 years, have spent a lot of time there. I see its raining like a mofo, hope it clears up soon

[speakeasy]

(02-28-2014 04:43 PM)Hispanic_Reasoning Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:09 AM)Sugar Wrote:  

^ Plenty of regular RVF'ers live here or are an authority about the area. Don't hesitate to ask questions (or buy into the hype about how awful it is.)

West coast nails it when he says it's like playing a video game on advanced mode. Anyone who disagrees either doesn't live here now, or is ok with banging the less than top-notch girls. If you do only one thing here, I would walk/bike across the golden gate bridge - it's simply one of the man-made wonders of the modern world.

" Don't come for the girls. Come for the lifestyle."

If anybody wants to come here to the Bay Area, they should only come for that. You come for the girls, you will be horribly disappointed.

The only ones having a ball in SF are gay dudes.

[CaliforniaSupreme]

Aren't there a lot of modeling agencies in SF or something?

[DVY]

Theres a bunch of whiny little girls on this forum lately. CAsupreme buck up. How are you going to buy a jet if you can't even conquer SF.

The competition is downright pathetic. I rolled into SF (1yr ago) and got multiple girls showing mad interest. What gives?

WC took me to his club on lock, but it was maybe 10.30pm. I walked in and some hipster blonde early 20s blonde girl (6.5+) grabbed me and kissed me. I laughed and went to the bar to take a shot w/WC. Then a cute asian girl(6.75+) grabbed my hand and we danced for 5 mins. Zero social proof.

I understand if you can't pull a girl EVERY NIGHT. I understand that snobby bitches are annoying, but you can't even find 1-2 cool girls per night? I find that hard to believe.

WC is the exception. A dude who has money, has a harem of cute girls, but yearns for a higher "reality".

Take responsibility for your own results.

PS- Lots of foreigners roaming in SF. My buddy picked up 3 au-pairs for a taco-shop and banged the hottest one. I was pre-gaming w/buddies and my good friend grabs these 3 au-pairs from the street (german, french, swedish) 19,20,22 aged. Hello to balls-deep in 2 hrs of face-time tops.

[Mujeriego]

(02-28-2014 08:31 PM)Hispanic_Reasoning Wrote:  

I'm considering moving to Houston Texas, or somewhere else in the South. similar weather, better girls, and cheaper than California. I just can't do it here in California. COL will rape me alive, even if I get a good paying job.

I spent 8 years in the South Bay and moved to Houston recently. My move was motivated by getting tired of the ridiculous cost of living and getting accepted into a program here. I'm renting a spacious condo with good logistics for 1K a month utilities included with a washer and dryer in the unit. It would go for 2-2.5x that amount in the Bay with no in house laundry or utilities thrown in. Gas is currently $3.15 a gallon. No state income tax or restrictive gun laws. The girls have much better attitudes and are hotter (disclaimer: I'm partial to latinas). No place is perfect, but Houston has been a good move.

[WestCoast]

@dvy hahahaha that was a hilarious night.

I don't think sugar is whining for the record, he just has a very direct tone (I'm guilty of that as well!).i can't get a read on the rest bc I haven't taken the time to analyze their personalities yet.

[speakeasy]

(02-28-2014 11:16 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Theres a bunch of whiny little girls on this forum lately. CAsupreme buck up. How are you going to buy a jet if you can't even conquer SF.

The competition is downright pathetic. I rolled into SF (1yr ago) and got multiple girls showing mad interest. What gives?

WC took me to his club on lock, but it was maybe 10.30pm. I walked in and some hipster blonde early 20s blonde girl (6.5+) grabbed me and kissed me. I laughed and went to the bar to take a shot w/WC. Then a cute asian girl(6.75+) grabbed my hand and we danced for 5 mins. Zero social proof.

I understand if you can't pull a girl EVERY NIGHT. I understand that snobby bitches are annoying, but you can't even find 1-2 cool girls per night? I find that hard to believe.

WC is the exception. A dude who has money, has a harem of cute girls, but yearns for a higher "reality".

Take responsibility for your own results.

PS- Lots of foreigners roaming in SF. My buddy picked up 3 au-pairs for a taco-shop and banged the hottest one. I was pre-gaming w/buddies and my good friend grabs these 3 au-pairs from the street (german, french, swedish) 19,20,22 aged. Hello to balls-deep in 2 hrs of face-time tops.

Sometimes what I wish is that we had a photo to go along with the claims of guys getting pulled by the hand from random chics and such. A photo of the guy that is. I think that can explain a lot of the discrepancies in experience we hear about, not just in this thread but in general.

Some guys are always complaining about how difficult some place is, how many 5s act like 9s, how bad bitch shields and cockblockers are. Then some dudes talk about breezing into a club and making out with hotties before they can even order a drink.

I'm willing to bet looks has a lot to do with this. Much more than many are willing to admit. I'm still waiting for someone to show me a pic of an average looking guy(a 5 on the guy scale) who has a harem of hot girls who isn't wealthy or famous.

[WestCoast]

^ two things.

1. If you are in great shape (not average shape) and you dress extremely well you are a 6-7 at minimum. Anyone who is a 5 is out of shape or B can't dress for shit and has people say "do you work here" or don't even get checked out. My rule is 3 complements a day (or iRapes) from strangers on your outfit or you can't dress well. That's how big style is.
2. Just meet the guys and make a decision yourself, as you know good looking guy advice is pretty useless.

[Giovonny]

(02-28-2014 08:31 PM)Hispanic_Reasoning Wrote:  

I'm considering moving to Houston Texas, or somewhere else in the South. similar weather, better girls, and cheaper than California.

Don't be afraid to move!

Cheaper cost of living, better girls, etc.

The Bay can be very stressful due to the high cost of living.

I know a lot of people who left California and they say they are happy in their new location. Just make sure you can make some money in your new location.

(02-28-2014 08:33 PM)Hispanic_Reasoning Wrote:  

I go to school here in the Bay Area.

You are in college?

If that's the case, there is no reason to come to SF for girls.

Your #1 hunting ground for girls should be your campus

And, the nearest campus to you.

If you don't live in SF, coming to SF to game girls does not make sense logistically.

Get girls from your classes!

[speakeasy]

(03-01-2014 01:53 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 08:31 PM)Hispanic_Reasoning Wrote:  

I'm considering moving to Houston Texas, or somewhere else in the South. similar weather, better girls, and cheaper than California.

Don't be afraid to move!

Cheaper cost of living, better girls, etc.

The Bay can be very stressful due to the high cost of living.

I know a lot of people who left California and they say they are happy in their new location.

I second this. I left California a few months ago. And you know what? I don't miss it nearly as much as I thought I would. A buddy of mine left L.A. and moved to Mexico City about a year before I left. He says he doesn't miss L.A. at all. So many people in California are really wrapped up with the idea of living in California. It's like they can't imagine living anywhere else. I used to be like that. Your average hipster in the Mission would rather live with 5 roommates than buy his own house in a different state. In my opinion, from a cost/value perspective, California is just no longer worth it. High unemployment puts no upward pressure on wages and the increasing population/immigration puts constant upward pressure on rents and houses. Water is drying up, population is still growing with no end in sight and they can't(or won't) build enough to homes to keep up with demand and make them affordable. Unless you are making six figures, don't even bother with the big cities in California. Sure you can scrap by on half that in Riverside or Bakersfield, but who the hell wants to live there?

[Vaun]

What I see in California is a lot of class warfare. Who knows where it comes from, liberals, feminists, environmentalists, etc, but most natives fall for it because its been repeated to them basically from birth, from everyone around them over and over. Its basically natives who are pissed at the non-natives for making more money and getting further ahead. When you say "aww this place ain't so great" I usually read it as the person is having a hard time making money or getting ahead. The happiest people I know in CA work very hard, protect their money, have businesses or invest wisely, non-native or not. I think what pisses the natives off more is watching immigrants rise up quickly, or even out of state US folks come there and making a killing, then coming up with excuses for their success like; 'hes white', or 'hes an immigrant so he gets special treatment' etc, seen and heard it all.

But lets not mistake that its the probably the nicest place on earth to live, anyone that says otherwise again always triggers the reaction in me "oh they are not doing well". Most of the US sucks anyway, go try it out and see. Taxation is everywhere, and if you are afraid of diversity then move to New England, but dont tell me California sucks and is the worst place ever.. then I know something is wrong.

[DVY]

The funny thing was the story from above was a time-period WC would "down-dress" to increase difficultly level. I couldn't fathom why you would voluntarily put yourself in a disadvantaged position, but i guess he was experimenting.

@Speakeasy- welcome to come meet me in LA. I've put in time to dress myself well, stay in good shape, wear good cologne. Almost anybody can be a "guy 7" if you put in some effort. WallStreetPlayboys had a good post on it on how to go from a 4-5 to a 7-8.

[Hispanic_Reasoning]

(02-28-2014 11:23 PM)Mujeriego Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 08:31 PM)Hispanic_Reasoning Wrote:  

I'm considering moving to Houston Texas, or somewhere else in the South. similar weather, better girls, and cheaper than California. I just can't do it here in California. COL will rape me alive, even if I get a good paying job.

I spent 8 years in the South Bay and moved to Houston recently. My move was motivated by getting tired of the ridiculous cost of living and getting accepted into a program here. I'm renting a spacious condo with good logistics for 1K a month utilities included with a washer and dryer in the unit. It would go for 2-2.5x that amount in the Bay with no in house laundry or utilities thrown in. Gas is currently $3.15 a gallon. No state income tax or restrictive gun laws. The girls have much better attitudes and are hotter (disclaimer: I'm partial to latinas). No place is perfect, but Houston has been a good move.

^that right there is why I want to go to Houston or anywhere in the South. a studio like that would be at least 2k here in my city (and I live in the suburbs) in a descent part of my city. fuck that.

[Dusty]

(03-01-2014 06:03 AM)Vaun Wrote:  

But lets not mistake that its the probably the nicest place on earth to live

And this is why it's so expensive to live in CA. Supply and demand. Along the coast at least, it never gets too cold and never gets too hot. It has some of the most beautiful natural beauty anywhere too. It even smells good from the vegetation.

It is good if you have a certain success in your career and stacking some cheddar.

I think most of the complaints about San Francisco in this thread is due to the cost. Despite all it's draws, I would not live in SF if I was 25 years old and making $50k a year (nor would I live in NYC). I'd live in Dallas or something.

[Hispanic_Reasoning]

(03-01-2014 02:21 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 01:53 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 08:31 PM)Hispanic_Reasoning Wrote:  

I'm considering moving to Houston Texas, or somewhere else in the South. similar weather, better girls, and cheaper than California.

Don't be afraid to move!

Cheaper cost of living, better girls, etc.

The Bay can be very stressful due to the high cost of living.

I know a lot of people who left California and they say they are happy in their new location.

I second this. I left California a few months ago. And you know what? I don't miss it nearly as much as I thought I would. A buddy of mine left L.A. and moved to Mexico City about a year before I left. He says he doesn't miss L.A. at all. So many people in California are really wrapped up with the idea of living in California. It's like they can't imagine living anywhere else. I used to be like that. Your average hipster in the Mission would rather live with 5 roommates than buy his own house in a different state. In my opinion, from a cost/value perspective, California is just no longer worth it. High unemployment puts no upward pressure on wages and the increasing population/immigration puts constant upward pressure on rents and houses. Water is drying up, population is still growing with no end in sight and they can't(or won't) build enough to homes to keep up with demand and make them affordable. Unless you are making six figures, don't even bother with the big cities in California. Sure you can scrap by on half that in Riverside or Bakersfield, but who the hell wants to live there?

^if you're an average dude, then California is just not worth it. the COL is the biggest killer, adding to the shitty job market here. living in more desirable locations is not possible unless you're making minimum $100k/year. but yeah dude, I know too many people my age (late teens and early 20s) who want to leave California because if you're young, this is not the place to be.

for girls, I can't complain as much since I already have a girl. my only complaints with California relating to the women are that the white chicks (I'm more into white girls physically) here are too dam weird.

[WestCoast]

^ agreed. If you think $100k is a lot of money and you are a wage slave and shouldn't bother visiting SF.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(02-26-2014 01:56 AM)kosko Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 01:36 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 01:22 AM)Mujeriego Wrote:  

I always felt bad for SF because it was once a truly great city. Between the commies in the city government and the socially retarded tech nerds the place is a wasteland now.

And don't forget the short-haired feminist and rampant in-your-face homosexual behavior on display.

SF is in about as beautiful a setting as a city can be. Great restaurants, great architecture and history, beautiful parks, colorful neighborhoods. But it's a terrible place from a cost/value perspective. I still think everyone needs to visit at least once. A part of will always love SF, there's just something unique about that place that you have to experience.

Is there any place that looks like San Fran and has the same type of setting? Minus the garbage that comes with SF?

Cape Town, Tel Aviv, and Beirut are the only places that come to mind. Each of these places including SF have very big drawbacks.

I see myself in a setting like that one day when I go global.

I haven't been to Cape Town, but I've been to Tel Aviv, Beirut, Lisbon, Valparaiso, etc.

Valpo is a spitting image of SF. It's kinda ridiculous how similar they are. I'm talking from the colors, hills, to the climate and even the damn cable cars.

I couldn't get over it.

But culturally, I think SF has more going on than any place that would be compared to it. It's almost like a very compact NYC, a city of neighborhoods. It's crazy how small SF is yet how many distinct neighborhoods it has.

As for being boring, I don't know. Where else in America isn't? Maybe NYC, but every other place gets old and even in NYC you need a break from time to time. What makes SF unique is that you have a city but then there's epic nature very nearby. You can do a lot of shit within a short drive. It's a real city too, not a collection of giant suburbs like LA. You don't really need a car in many areas of SF.

The last call sucks for sure but SF isn't really the spot for the night game playboy. I think Gio carved out a good niche with his day game philosophy.

SF is also not a good spot for an international jetsetter. California is a black hole logistically for international travel. You're going to have to sit on a plane for a long time and maneuver through airports to get anywhere.

But then again California is like a nation unto itself and there's a shit ton of activities so you don't really need to go somewhere else to do something. The weather is also excellent. Best climate in the US hands down.