[MikeCF]

^ I banned you because you made a false accusation against me. You have no integrity. It's that simple.

Now you're a stalker.

You clearly have some sort of personality disorder.

You're mad about Amazon affiliate links. That is so weird. Everyone uses them and as you note, it's easy to see in the URL when people use them.

Readers asked me to use them. I've mentioned many times that I use them. In fact, I have been asked to write an eBook containing the "best of" blog content, just so that people can support D&P.

D&P a website with men of amazing generosity of spirit.

You simply don't fit in with such men.

Go figure out what's *really* bothering you (it ain't amazon links, brother) and then maybe you'll be ready for D&P.

[RockHard]

(07-23-2014 03:25 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

Have fun with your echo chamber. I am done with your blog and internet marketing bullshit.

A little context for your comment would help.

Let me get this straight: you're upset because he's putting Amazon affiliate links on his site? How is D&P different from every other blog out there? If I read about something on a blog and see a link to the product, I assume it's an affiliate link. What's wrong with that? Are people supposed to do things and not be compensated?

"Every time I see an Amazon link in one of your posts, knowing the back story, it makes me feel like you are trying to trick me into giving you money."

How? The price you get charged is exactly the same. It makes no difference to you if you click through D&P or go straight to Amazon. I cannot for the life of me understand why you'd resent an Amazon affiliate link.

[MikeCF]

P.S. It's funny that people are accusing me of being a sleazy marketer.

Most people on the forum didn't even know that D&P was my site. I rarely link to my own stuff, and that's only when it's relevant and useful.

I have never bought an ad, never bought a SoundCloud listen for my podcasts, never bought a Twitter follower, never had someone ghost write a blog post, and have never copied anyone's work.

All of my growth is organic and based on word of mouth referrals.

I am only responding to your comment because you need help, man. You feel resentment over Amazon links?

Go deep and find out what's really bothering you.

Because I do care.

I also know that I don't want you reading the site, because if you have friends (which I doubt), then those people need to stay the hell off of D&P as well.

Work on yourself and then you are welcome back.

As I've said many times, most men aren't ready for D&P.

[MikeCF]

(07-23-2014 03:48 PM)RockHard Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 03:25 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

Have fun with your echo chamber. I am done with your blog and internet marketing bullshit.

A little context for your comment would help.

Yep, that's why he's fired up. Here was his comment. I left it up as an example of the tactics scum like him use:

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2014/07/21/...1500215650

[All or Nothing]

Ok Mike. I have problems. I need to go to the loony bin.

Good job with the fancy twists on logic. That is a rare skill. I am crazy. I am a stalker. Or maybe I am just someone who has been reading your blog consistently and does not like seeing four to five affiliate links being slipped into every post. You could easily say "affiliate link" next to each amazon link, but you do not.

Resentment is the wrong word here. I just don't like seeing affiliate links without you saying that is what they are. Talking about being an affiliate marketer is not the same as pointing out that the links are affiliate links within the blog post.

It was highly similar to G Manifesto's strategy: http://www.thegmanifesto.com/. His blog is filled with affiliate links.

Everyone blogger uses affiliate links?

I also read SwoopTheWorld, RooshV (obviously), Christian McQueen, Return of Kings, and WallStreetPlayboys. So far, I have not seen any of them use affiliate links. Maybe they have and I have just missed every single one of them. When they do try to make a profit, they make it clear that that is what they are doing.

To be honest, I don't need Danger & Play to become better, I can do fine on my own. Monetize your blog however you want. You won't have to worry about me "stalking" you any longer.

[Cobra]

@All or Nothing

Come on man. You have a lot of posts and even a few reps. Why stoop so low and put all that at risk?

You took a shot on the D&P site and Mike responded rationally. Instead of responding rationally to his response here, you make the blatant mistake of going back to your original irrational (and irrelevant) comment. What made you think that RVF would be any more receptive to the same exact attack? Are you trying to see how far shit will fly here? I'm genuinely curious.

If you like MikeCF and his content so much, don't you think responding and entertaining something like this is a waste of his time? Do you think people care so much about affiliate links especially given the strong content he puts out? I don't and I know I'm not alone.

Edit: I fly a bit off the handle when hate makes its way on to RVF.

[MikeCF]

You have no integrity.

I am not going to go through everyone's site, but this took me 30 seconds:
swooptheworld-20
rok0f-20
rooshlog-20

Roosh used to Tweet out books he was reading and you could see he had a separate campaign to track how many people bought via that special link.

Just look for that little word followed by a -20 (name-20)

So, yes, "everyone" is doing this. In fact, it's so common that I simply do not believe you do not know this.

Just view the page source and Ctrl+F for -20 and that will show the codes.

Again, you have no integrity and your presence is not welcome at D&P.

[MikeCF]

(07-23-2014 04:28 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

@All or Nothing

He is mentally ill.

How could anyone get resentful over affiliate links, given that they are prevalent and also that they don't increase the end cost to consumer?

Also, note that he lied. He said I didn't disclose them, when in fact I have repeatedly.

He then said others aren't using them.

I showed that to be a lie, too.

Again, he clearly has some sort of mental illness going on.

[Roosh]

7 day ban for All Or Nothing for bringing outside drama into public space.

[RXB]

Amazon Affiliates gives between 4 and 8% commission on anything that is ordered through an affiliate link. That's it. If D&P says "Hey I liked this $10 book and got a lot of great information out of it" he's still only getting 40 to 80 cents. And that's if you don't buy a cheaper used copy.

It's not like D&P has dozens of banners and pop ups trying to sell sleazy $99 eBooks. The guy is basically saying "I got a lot out of this and you will too. If you're interested in the subject do me a favor and buy it through my site so that you can help support the blog." Getting 40 cents for a 2,000 word write-up, and accompanying podcast, about quality information isn't exactly some elaborate scam.

That site has a million dollars worth of content on it. I started doing static holds from one of the posts and beefed up. The information was free there, any other site would have packaged it up and sold it. I decided to use the site's advice on rough sex. Girls love it. Once again the content was free.

Whenever I buy anything I do so through one of the affiliate links on that site just to help support it. Without the sidebar now, I'll actually look through posts, find an affiliate link, and place my order. The site has millions of dollars worth information on it and no one has a gun to your head and is telling you you have to click an affiliate link.

[MikeCF]

Thank you, RXB. I appreciate that.

The guy's hater comments reminds me why I keep focusing on mindset.

Why does he think the way he thinks? Why does he feel betrayed when I link to Amazon?

Why doesn't he want me to make money?

How can he feel misled when he knows that they are affiliate links?

Why would he lie about the industry practice, claiming that no one but me used an Amazon affiliate link?

There is something about his mindset that is holding him back.

It's especially funny that he notes I never used to have an Amazon affiliate account, yet I still linked to amazon.

In other words, I haven't even changed my practices. I always linked to helpful material. Now I just take 5 extra seconds and make a little cash.

Mindset is so important.

We need to drill down deep into our own minds to find out what hidden and deeply-rooted attitudes and believes and values are holding us back.

[Brisey]

I've bought a shitload of stuff based on Mike's recommendations, especially books and supplements. Unfortunately the affiliate links don't work for me as I use the .co.uk site. If you have a .co.uk link or a alternative let me know and I'd be happy to contribute.

The content on there is gold, free gold. Whether it's regarding TRT, training, mindset, the many podcasts, there's a wealth of information.

[MikeCF]

(07-24-2014 03:17 PM)Brisey Wrote:  

I've bought a shitload of stuff based on Mike's recommendations, especially books and supplements. Unfortunately the affiliate links don't work for me as I use the .co.uk site. If you have a .co.uk link or a alternative let me know and I'd be happy to contribute.

The content on there is gold, free gold. Whether it's regarding TRT, training, mindset, the many podcasts, there's a wealth of information.

Thank you. 40% of D&P readers are international, so my revenue is lower than it should be.

One day I'll get a full-time intern and have him set up accounts and do all of that other stuff I hate doing.

[Benoit]

(07-24-2014 03:22 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Thank you. 40% of D&P readers are international, so my revenue is lower than it should be.

One day I'll get a full-time intern and have him set up accounts and do all of that other stuff I hate doing.

Not implemented it myself yet, but I looked into it recently and this plugin looked good:
http://affiliate-geo-target.com/amazon-w...lugin.html

[Andoran]

Complaining about affiliate links on a site that gives out information that could be easily be sold in the hundreds (and I would happily pay for it) is just ridiculous.

D&P alone answered taboo questions about steroids and TRT, not to mention general health tips and exercises, I almost feel guilty that I haven't spent a cent on it.

Mike, if you ever decide to run ads on your site (or if you already do) let me know to whitelist your webpage.

[TheBulldozer]

(07-24-2014 03:22 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 03:17 PM)Brisey Wrote:  

I've bought a shitload of stuff based on Mike's recommendations, especially books and supplements. Unfortunately the affiliate links don't work for me as I use the .co.uk site. If you have a .co.uk link or a alternative let me know and I'd be happy to contribute.

The content on there is gold, free gold. Whether it's regarding TRT, training, mindset, the many podcasts, there's a wealth of information.

Thank you. 40% of D&P readers are international, so my revenue is lower than it should be.

One day I'll get a full-time intern and have him set up accounts and do all of that other stuff I hate doing.

I'm surprised 40% are international. Has that been trending upwards?

[MikeCF]

(07-24-2014 03:31 PM)Benoit Wrote:  

Not implemented it myself yet, but I looked into it recently and this plugin looked good:
http://affiliate-geo-target.com/amazon-w...lugin.html

Thank you. A reader sent that to me, too. It seems good but I have to create affiliate accounts for each separate country. Thats the tedious sort of work I hate doing (even though it makes me money).

[MikeCF]

(07-24-2014 05:33 PM)MaleDefined Wrote:  

I'm surprised 40% are international. Has that been trending upwards?

I was surprised, too.

I didn't have Google Analytics installed until around March, 2014. Before that I just used Jetpack/Wordpress's stats, so I don't know if the internal trend is increasing or not.

If you're curious, here is the demographic/reader data.

[Menace]

(07-24-2014 05:35 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 03:31 PM)Benoit Wrote:  

Not implemented it myself yet, but I looked into it recently and this plugin looked good:
http://affiliate-geo-target.com/amazon-w...lugin.html

Thank you. A reader sent that to me, too. It seems good but I have to create affiliate accounts for each separate country. Thats the tedious sort of work I hate doing (even though it makes me money).

Just create it for the top 3 countries. That will probably be 80% of the value.

[TornadoByProxy]

Mike,

You may consider using Mechanical Turk to have your affiliate accounts set up. It may be your quickest, cheapest option.

https://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome

Tornado

[worldwidetraveler]

(07-23-2014 03:49 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

P.S. It's funny that people are accusing me of being a sleazy marketer.

Most people on the forum didn't even know that D&P was my site. I rarely link to my own stuff, and that's only when it's relevant and useful.

I have never bought an ad, never bought a SoundCloud listen for my podcasts, never bought a Twitter follower, never had someone ghost write a blog post, and have never copied anyone's work.

All of my growth is organic and based on word of mouth referrals.

I am only responding to your comment because you need help, man. You feel resentment over Amazon links?

Go deep and find out what's really bothering you.

Because I do care.

I also know that I don't want you reading the site, because if you have friends (which I doubt), then those people need to stay the hell off of D&P as well.

Work on yourself and then you are welcome back.

As I've said many times, most men aren't ready for D&P.

Welcome to making money online.

You will always have people out there that get mad when you make money. Plenty think they are entitled to your information without any compensation.

Saying the dude has a mental illness is over the top.

I think it stems from feeling like they are being taken advantage of.

As if you are only out for the money. Especially when you go into tirades about the evils of internet marketers. You should expect to hear these types of comments when you go around yelling scams all over the place and then drop amazon links yourself.

That is where he is coming from, rightly or wrong, but hardly a mental illness.

Edit: You probably know the FTC rules better than I, but if you don't you should read up on the disclaimers stuff to cover your ass.

[MikeCF]

(07-25-2014 12:14 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

As if you are only out for the money. Especially when you go into tirades about the evils of internet marketers. You should expect to hear these types of comments when you go around yelling scams all over the place and then drop amazon links yourself.

When have I ever gone on a tirade about the evils of Internet Marketers?

I have blasted garbage products while also praising Jeff Walker's latest book, Launch - which is all about Internet Marketing.

I also have a whole section about marketing.

Marketing is great....when you're not marketing garbage.

I know the FTC rules. That's why I have always disclosed this information.

[worldwidetraveler]

(07-25-2014 01:35 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 12:14 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

As if you are only out for the money. Especially when you go into tirades about the evils of internet marketers. You should expect to hear these types of comments when you go around yelling scams all over the place and then drop amazon links yourself.

When have I ever gone on a tirade about the evils of Internet Marketers?

I have blasted garbage products while also praising Jeff Walker's latest book, Launch - which is all about Internet Marketing.

I also have a whole section about marketing.

Marketing is great....when you're not marketing garbage.

I know the FTC rules. That's why I have always disclosed this information.

You have quite a few posts on here talking about internet marketing and the shady shit being done.

When doing that, you are also saying you are better than them.

Which you probably are assuming you are an honest guy and nothing you have posted has made me think you are not.

That doesn't mean you won't open yourself up to more scrutiny just as we saw with All or Nothing.

There are plenty of marketers who use shaming tactics to make themselves stand out from their competition. A lot of them are exposed as frauds.

Personally, I think you're doing yourself a disservice with the overly critical comments. It distracts from your good stuff. That may be just who you are and no reason to be something you're not.

I couldn't comment on your blog, only the stuff I read on this forum.

[MikeCF]

(07-25-2014 01:50 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

You have quite a few posts on here talking about internet marketing and the shady shit being done.

When doing that, you are also saying you are better than them.

Which you probably are assuming you are an honest guy and nothing you have posted has made me think you are not.

That doesn't mean you won't open yourself up to more scrutiny just as we saw with All or Nothing.

There are plenty of marketers who use shaming tactics to make themselves stand out from their competition. A lot of them are exposed as frauds.

Show me an example where I was wrong.

Yes, I am better than people who use shady practices to steal from people.

Does my critique of the sleaziest Internet Marketing practices hit a bit to close to home for you?

[worldwidetraveler]

(07-25-2014 02:21 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Show me an example where I was wrong.

Yes, I am better than people who use shady practices to steal from people.

Does my critique of the sleaziest Internet Marketing practices hit a bit to close to home for you?

Nah, man, it's more like I enjoy the entertainment you put out.

Like when you went after Wedo for being a Mark Manson plant in order to sell his ebook.

Funny stuff dude. Keep up the good work. You showed Mark and Wedo what's up.