[jasond]

I agree. Krauser is the real deal. I've learned a lot from his videos and blog posts. And $100 is a great deal, assuming the book is high quality. Real-world experience is important, but a good book can serve as a solid foundation.

Anyone who claims that Krauser is an amateur is just a hater. And I'd rather learn from someone that had to develop new skills at the age of 34, than a "natural" who is good with women (and is thus probably not as good a teacher).

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-17-2014 08:25 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

This self promoting is killing the forum.

He wasn't self promoting.

[Stun]

(02-17-2014 08:42 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 08:15 PM)Sugar Wrote:  

That's a false analogy, in the sense that (at least IMO from 3+ years of cold approaching) you can't learn from a book what you can learn from experience in terms of approaching women.

Nope, I think you have it wrong. I read a ton of sales books and implemented what I learned from those sales books. I wouldn't have had a clue as to what to even try out if it wasn't for the money I spent on those books. Those books saved me a ton of time and this would be the same type of thing.

In fact, I spent money on various things that helped me speed along with the learning curve. I couldn't fathom reading a book and not learning something from it.

If you were spending that money on live training with a good coach I'd completely agree, just haven't had that experience from pick-up *books*, rather I've always learned more from cold approach. I'm not sure learning about sales is the same as learning about approaching and attracting women.

That said I won't deny that I learned some new ideas from Day Bang and from entropy's book, and won't deny I might learn something from this book.

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-17-2014 08:55 PM)Sugar Wrote:  

If you were spending that money on live training with a good coach I'd completely agree, just haven't had that experience from pick-up *books*, rather I've always learned more from cold approach. I'm not sure learning about sales is the same as learning about approaching and attracting women.

Sales is psychology man. Of course it would help. You are basically cold calling a chick. I would say coaching is best once there is a foundation in place.

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That said I won't deny that I learned some new ideas from Day Bang and from entropy's book, and won't deny I might learn something from this book.

Exactly. I have purchased books and courses just to learn one specific thing before. I don't know anything about Krausers book but may take a look if he ever gets a digital copy done. I love my kindle.

[soup]

Ali, if you've got so much knowledge, why don't you write your own book?

[RockHard]

(02-17-2014 07:51 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

A lot of people worry about their products being pirated, but I'm of the opinion it's a big help for sales. I'd bet most of the guys here who bought Krausers book would have spent the money and bought it anyways, as opposed to torrenting it.

(snip...)

Interesting stuff to me. I'd love to see some studies on how torrenting and price point affects sales on info products and books. I wonder if it helps them like I suspect, or if they lose out on more sales than they gain?

I remember when Doom was new there were articles on how it was the most pirated game of all time and also the most financially successful. Though their strategy openly embraced it, they released the first set of levels for free, got people addicted, and sold additional levels. However that's a video game and it was 20 years ago, before Bittorrent and Google and god knows what else has happened.

Krauser's got a background in banking & finance so he's probably capable of making a rational decision about pricing. I'm sure part of his thinking is that he's created a premium product and he's pricing it accordingly.

[Alpharius]

Part of his marketing strategy might be pricing the book that high.

$100?! Imagine what's in there! That must be worth it!

[WanderingSoul]

(02-17-2014 07:28 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

"I still don't know how I'm selling so many books even though they're being pirated everywhere. It's possible I'd sell more with no piracy, but there's no way to know for sure."

^Is there any recourse authors can take to diminish pirating?

If someone is too cheap to spend $15-20 on a book that can change their life, then they have larger issues than not being able to pick up chicks.

I don't think that's an issue here at all. If Nightclub Bible was on Amazon for $15-$20 I would have bought it right after I read your $3 mini book, because I thought it was that good. I ended up buying a few other books instead though because I was able to purchase them right on my Kindle for about $25 for the three, and all are very highly rated books. One was Day Bang, actually.

Also, I think EVERYONE would buy a book for $15-20 if it can change their life. The problem is, how many books can actually do that? I recently read a book that had as similar claim, and it was a big pile of shit IMO.

Not that I'm saying you need to change the price, or that your books aren't wroth it. After reading your sampler on Amazon, I'm sure Nightclub Bible is more than worth it. It's high on my list once I clear out some these other books I'm reading. It's just that the psychology with product pricing, instant gratification, impulse buys, Amazon, etc. is interesting to me.

[WanderingSoul]

(02-17-2014 07:36 PM)Krauser Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 07:24 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Krauser didn't start getting laid till last year. etc....

That's just fucking stupid.

But yeah, any proper questions? Put them in this thread and I'll give it a go.

Proper question, will you release it on Kindle? I prefer reading books on my Kindle, and since I live in Thailand it's a real bitch to get anything sent over here. Customs likes to charge more than a product is worth in a lot of cases. I think they just make that shit up, actually.

[Christian McQueen]

(02-18-2014 01:18 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 07:28 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

"I still don't know how I'm selling so many books even though they're being pirated everywhere. It's possible I'd sell more with no piracy, but there's no way to know for sure."

^Is there any recourse authors can take to diminish pirating?

If someone is too cheap to spend $15-20 on a book that can change their life, then they have larger issues than not being able to pick up chicks.

I don't think that's an issue here at all. If Nightclub Bible was on Amazon for $15-$20 I would have bought it right after I read your $3 mini book, because I thought it was that good. I ended up buying a few other books instead though because I was able to purchase them right on my Kindle for about $25 for the three, and all are very highly rated books. One was Day Bang, actually.

Also, I think EVERYONE would buy a book for $15-20 if it can change their life. The problem is, how many books can actually do that? I recently read a book that had as similar claim, and it was a big pile of shit IMO.

Not that I'm saying you need to change the price, or that your books aren't wroth it. After reading your sampler on Amazon, I'm sure Nightclub Bible is more than worth it. It's high on my list once I clear out some these other books I'm reading. It's just that the psychology with product pricing, instant gratification, impulse buys, Amazon, etc. is interesting to me.

Good point and no offense taken.

The problem with Amazon is that they royally fuck authors. If I sell NCB in Kindle edition I make next to nothing. Selling off my sites, I garner an actual profit.

Maybe it'd be worth it, due to quantity, but we'll see. I'm working on getting my other books in paperback on Amazon like TAP.

You've always been a great poster and I'm feeling generous. Shoot me a PM and I'll gift you NCB on me.

[Maciano]

(02-17-2014 07:21 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I still don't know how I'm selling so many books even though they're being pirated everywhere. It's possible I'd sell more with no piracy, but there's no way to know for sure.

Roosh,

Pirating helps your sales, esp w/ relatively low prices of ebooks. It's free PR. Especially for a message that's rarely or fairly discussed in MSM. I downloaded one of your ebooks "Bang", after that I went to your blog, recommended your stuff to my friends and some of them bought your whole Bang-series. I found Krauser & Neil through your forum.

In many countries, like mine, hardly anybody knows you, but it's a market for your message. Pirating helps you to become known.

Btw, I'd pay 100$ for a book, no problem. If it's good & entertaining, why not? You can always re-sell after you've read it.

[Krauser]

(02-18-2014 01:22 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Proper question, will you release it on Kindle? I prefer reading books on my Kindle, and since I live in Thailand it's a real bitch to get anything sent over here. Customs likes to charge more than a product is worth in a lot of cases. I think they just make that shit up, actually.

I expect to release it on Kindle later this year. I haven't thought in detail how the layout and price will change but in general principle I'll want it on Kindle, but not until the paper versions have run their course.

I initially released it in hardback for a few reasons. I think that's the best format for the material and style because it's written as an advanced detailed textbook and thus I wanted it to recall the style of university physics / engineering core texts etc. Also there's the simple vanity that I've had a great respect for books my whole life so having a real printed version of my own book gives me greater satisfaction than an ebook. I've owned a kindle for 2 years and literally never use it. I just love paper.

Nitro was torrented about 6 months after release and sales dropped dramatically. It definitely cost me money. Perhaps that's because I didn't have any other products out there so I couldn't benefit from having a "torrent loss leader" like Roosh may have done. What the torrenting did do was spread my name and ideas to people who otherwise wouldn't have read my material.

[WanderingSoul]

What's the difference between your new book, and Nitro?

[Krauser]

(02-18-2014 07:42 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

What's the difference between your new book, and Nitro?

Nitro was written 3 years ago, is 36,000 words, was fairly rushed, and only goes as far as the idate.

Mastery is brand new, 150,000 words, very carefully polished with a copy-editor, peer review, professional layout, art and flowcharts. It covers every stage from beginning to sex including bedroom escalation.

The core model hasn't changed much but it's like the difference between GTA3 and GTA5. It's simple a far better book.

[Checkmat]

I bought "The Best of Roosh" as an impulse because of it's low price point. FWIW

[Benoit]

(02-18-2014 07:27 AM)Krauser Wrote:  

Also there's the simple vanity that I've had a great respect for books my whole life so having a real printed version of my own book gives me greater satisfaction than an ebook. I've owned a kindle for 2 years and literally never use it. I just love paper.

Nitro was torrented about 6 months after release and sales dropped dramatically. It definitely cost me money. Perhaps that's because I didn't have any other products out there so I couldn't benefit from having a "torrent loss leader" like Roosh may have done. What the torrenting did do was spread my name and ideas to people who otherwise wouldn't have read my material.

I love a good book too, but even having spent the money on Daygame Mastery I'm not going to cart an A4 hardback along with me for the daily commute.

If you're honestly worried about digital being easier to pirate, look at comics - maybe 50-100 are printed every week, and almost every single one is scanned, edited (e.g joining pages where a panel crosses) and made available for download the same day. The only reason no-one's done this for Mastery yet is because your buyers are fans who want to reward your hard work.

All it would take is for someone to organise a group buy on a seduction forum and you then have a digital edition that you don't control and don't get paid for.

[Krauser]

(02-18-2014 09:40 AM)Benoit Wrote:  

I love a good book too, but even having spent the money on Daygame Mastery I'm not going to cart an A4 hardback along with me for the daily commute.

If you're honestly worried about digital being easier to pirate, look at comics - maybe 50-100 are printed every week, and almost every single one is scanned, edited (e.g joining pages where a panel crosses) and made available for download the same day. The only reason no-one's done this for Mastery yet is because your buyers are fans who want to reward your hard work.

All it would take is for someone to organise a group buy on a seduction forum and you then have a digital edition that you don't control and don't get paid for.

I appreciate that people are buying my book. Really, after six months working hard to produce the best product I'm capable of, it's extremely rewarding to see people parting with their money for it and then enjoying the book. I created something out of nothing and now people are appreciating it - that's something any writer / creator can relate to.

I know Mastery will get pirated, nothing I can do to stop it. For now I'm hoping I make enough to feel like it was worth all the effort so I'll be motivated to write more. I like the idea that there are many many hardback books sitting on people's shelves. There's something throwaway and disposable about ebooks that I don't like. Just a personal affectation of mine.

[WanderingSoul]

Krauser, I've never really read any of your stuff. Can you recommend 3-5 articles or YouTube videos that you think someone new to your stuff should check out? Thanks for taking the time to answer questions over here.

[Teedub]

(02-18-2014 11:17 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Krauser, I've never really read any of your stuff. Can you recommend 3-5 articles or YouTube videos that you think someone new to your stuff should check out? Thanks for taking the time to answer questions over here.

You may have already seen it, but this one's good.

[Krauser]

(02-18-2014 11:17 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Krauser, I've never really read any of your stuff. Can you recommend 3-5 articles or YouTube videos that you think someone new to your stuff should check out? Thanks for taking the time to answer questions over here.

I'd say my interview above with London Real is a good start, from May 2012.

Here's a recent lay report: http://krauserpua.com/2013/10/26/i-bang-...eet-racer/

Here's a "player's journey" thought piece: http://krauserpua.com/2013/11/11/the-jou...stination/

Here's a technical theory post: http://krauserpua.com/2013/05/13/stateless-game/

[MidniteSpecial]

I bought 'bang', 'how to become an alpha male', 'naughty nomad' and 'the rationale male' because it was affordable. I wouldn't torrent those. This I will have to if I can. In fact I've bought probably half dozen game related books and none were over $20.

$100 book should come with an online college course. Gimme something to make me feel ok about dropping a Hundo.

I mean I get it say at a minimum he sells 100 copies a year. $10,000 a year ain't bad for some passive income but will it even sell that much?

After reading his blog I assumed he was pretty comfortable financially so I don't really get the price tag on this. Of course if he drops the price even by half sales will go up so maybe it's a strategic price launch.

*didn't realize you were on the forum krauser please excuse talking as if you were not here. Now that you are here what's up with a roosh forum discount code!? Haha hook us up brother.

[Krauser]

(02-18-2014 12:08 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  

I bought 'bang', 'how to become an alpha male', 'naughty nomad' and 'the rationale male' because it was affordable. I wouldn't torrent those. This I will have to if I can.

$100 book should come with an online college course. Gimme something to make me feel ok about dropping a Hundo....

No. This book is not for people like you. If you think it's not worth $100 then don't buy it.

Torrenting privately is one thing, I've torrented things before so I don't get high-and-mighty about it. Actually having the brass neck to tell someone you fully intend to steal from them given half a chance is despicable behaviour.

[MidniteSpecial]

It's 2014. Knowledge is free now. $100 is too much for a book. If someone has your file and emails me it thats your fault not mine. Like I said though, good luck.

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-18-2014 12:16 PM)Krauser Wrote:  

No. This book is not for people like you. If you think it's not worth $100 then don't buy it.

Torrenting privately is one thing, I've torrented things before so I don't get high-and-mighty about it. Actually having the brass neck to tell someone you fully intend to steal from them given half a chance is despicable behaviour.

Like I said, these people are not your customers and never will be. You should be thankful.

You got guys that create stuff and guys that steal stuff. The guys that steal stuff tend to be unsuccessful compared to the creators. I have always enjoyed creating stuff out of thin air. I do it because that is who I am. Sure, people steal my stuff, but that doesn't mean I will stop being who I am.

Unfortunately, there needs to be a decent return on this investment otherwise no more knowledge. Something most guys that steal fail to see.

[Teedub]

^ Funny how Ali has liked your comment - "Knowledge is free now" sounds awfully like the dreaded 'socialism'!