[AneroidOcean]

(02-28-2019 08:33 AM)asdfk Wrote:  

More importantly, I can confidently state that for finding a girlfriend or getting some plates being in an amazing shape is not required and in fact has a terrible return on investment.

I have a huge dataset for this (that I can't post about here) but even on this forum there are plenty of guys who do just that.

If you want to deny that guys on here got a girlfriend or some plates without being super fit or running a cycle.... Ok then.

Nobody said you have to be crazy fit or run a cycle to get a girlfriend or attract women.

You keep making up arguments (it's called a strawman argument) that nobody is really making.

We believe you that in your particular area of the world it's less effective to be fit. Great! That doesn't mean that overall women are generally more attracted to men that are above average in shape.

Nobody is saying that a skinny guy or even a fat guy can't get women.

Just quit arguing against points that nobody is making!

(02-28-2019 07:29 AM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  

So how about tinder then? The shallowest app. Not a single ripped bodybuilder here in the UK’s top ten most right swiped. In fact the only popular shirtless guy is pretty skinny

Guess those women are all lying to themselves when they swipe too?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.daily...es-UK.html

You honestly think Beckham - probably the most attractive man on the planet - would look better or get more attention if he was massive?

And you. Did you look at the guys in the article? There's one skinny/gaunt looking guy with a feminine/gay face. Every other guy you likely consider "skinny" is not especially skinny and more importantly have solid facial aesthetics with a chiseled/defined jaw and slim face and good hair. Those are all top-tier guys facial wise and their bodies just need to be decently above average. Many of them are likely in shape and have some muscles similar to the guys that are shirtless (most are not big/huge but the shirtless guys have 6-packs or close to it with some in-shape/defined pecs and biceps).

That article basically proves that being better than average shape will net you more interest. There are a few bigger/more bulging muscles guys in the article as well.

Being in above average shape means you have lower body fat percentages like these guys and don't look like skinny twigs. It doesn't mean you have to be a powerlifter cycling on drugs/enhancements. Having some defined biceps and a trim waistline is very noticeable when the average guy is pudgy or super skinny/twig like.

Like I said, the level of autism is too damn high.

[Kieran]

I'm sorry but David Beckham's physique is very poor and isn't even nearly enough to give any advantage with women. I'm not saying you need to be huge, but we should all be aiming a bit higher than that.

[fmman]

If I could do an exercise that helped me get fit for health benefit reasons, only took 30 mins a day, and improved my physique enough that it could help my SMV I would do it. But not the gym and extreme muscles

[kaotic]

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[Moma]

(02-28-2019 02:24 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I totally disagree about Beckham, I don't understand why he is being mentioned. Again how does he help your game?
Have you spoken to 90% of the women?

I am a man of color, white women are my staple and I look nothing like Beckham.

I am talking about the average guy that can gain a bit of muscle and gain more attention, plus also feel better about themselves.

No one is talking girly men we see on TV or playing soccer.

I am amazed trolls are coming here and trying to disagree with this, dressing well doesn't need to be mentioned. It is like brushing your teeth or washing your hair.

Rudebwoy has hit the nail on the head. For interracial sex, men with bodies kill it. I've witnessed countless lizards say nothing about a guy's face but rave about his body. Shyt, I witnessed five pretty young white lizards, mostly blondes, get off in Lagos on their own..do you naysayers think they were going there for faces?? Remember, guys, that connections don't always happen on the big stage. I had one white lizard who was a fitness instructor tell me subtly that my body drove her crazy, no one even knew she was attracted to me and we ended up banging like crazy at her place. There are many others who reap this rewards. Yea, you will say game blah blah..but game can't be measured and your look can.
You can fcuk lizards who can't even speak English with a decent bod..can you game a lizard without saying a word? I'm not discounting game but as Rudebwoy said, if you are complaining about 3-4 hours a week in the gym, you're a real joker when many of you lot put in much more time on Pornhub lol

[Sidney Crosby]

Girls may marry or date beta providers but they want to be fucked by muscular men.

The flights to Nigeria probably went up because of Jussie Smollet's buddies

[Savonarola]

(02-28-2019 03:59 PM)Kieran Wrote:  

I'm sorry but David Beckham's physique is very poor and isn't even nearly enough to give any advantage with women. I'm not saying you need to be huge, but we should all be aiming a bit higher than that.

Your n=1 opinion of Beckham's physique is totally irrelevant.
There's a reason he's the most revered face/body on the planet -- and that reason is spelled w-o-m-e-n.
Lots of women love love love a man with low bodyfat/small muscles/perfect face. Shit, Brad Pitt built a 20-yr movie career off exactly that.

[flyinghorse]

In defense of Beckham - he is still in the top 10% of the population for over 30s. Isnt the obesity rate over 60% men in men in America. Just by not being obese or overweight you are top 20%.

He'd look incredible with an additional 15lbs of muscle while keeping the body fat low.

[Fortis]

I wanna start a petition to rename this thread "The Game Denialism" Lounge.

Imagine you with your best game ever and then add 20 pounds of muscle in all the sweet spots. Now imagine you run into muscular you at the bar. Who do you think is gonna get amog'd? Muscular you would clown your ass out of the set just be existing.

If you were to gain 30 pounds of lean mass, you'd pull hotter bitches than you currently do. Just a fact. I'm sure someone here has some autism spreadsheet where they "prove" otherwise, but the dudes who do gain another 30 pounds (actually do shit) will emphatically agree. I don't think any guy on this forum who ever got a lot bigger than he currently is thinks he got a bad return on his investment. Quite the opposite, in fact.

I wrote out a big post but it really boils down to this for me:

Who cares if there's an upper limit? There's an upper limit to making money, running game and everything else in life. Why not discover where YOUR upper limit is? Isn't that the essence of self-improvement?

Your physique and your training should be an expression of you as an individual. If you were "You Inc." would you want a generic, middling storefront? I definitely wouldn't. Having a "good enough" physique, woman or bankroll just makes me angry. I want excellent.

Whenever one of my friends tells me about how he made a cool win-fall in some area of his life, I want a cool win-fall.

Friends pulling bad bitches? I want bad bitches.

Friends getting stacked as fuck? I wanna be in the stacked as fuck crew too.

As for Beckham, who gives a shit? He looks great, has millions in the bank and is in objectively good shape. Personally? I'd walk around with much bigger muscles if I were him,but whatever. You should be determining the physique you want based on your own observations about your body. You probably have some strong points and some weakpoints. Accentuate your best features and downplay the weak ones until you get bigger.

Sitting around and trying to look like David Beckham will just lead to disappointment since most dudes simply do not have the face genetics.

[pheonix500000]

(03-01-2019 04:35 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I wanna start a petition to rename this thread "The Game Denialism" Lounge.

Imagine you with your best game ever and then add 20 pounds of muscle in all the sweet spots. Now imagine you run into muscular you at the bar. Who do you think is gonna get amog'd? Muscular you would clown your ass out of the set just be existing.

If you were to gain 30 pounds of lean mass, you'd pull hotter bitches than you currently do. Just a fact. I'm sure someone here has some autism spreadsheet where they "prove" otherwise, but the dudes who do gain another 30 pounds (actually do shit) will emphatically agree. I don't think any guy on this forum who ever got a lot bigger than he currently is thinks he got a bad return on his investment. Quite the opposite, in fact.

I wrote out a big post but it really boils down to this for me:

Who cares if there's an upper limit? There's an upper limit to making money, running game and everything else in life. Why not discover where YOUR upper limit is? Isn't that the essence of self-improvement?

Your physique and your training should be an expression of you as an individual. If you were "You Inc." would you want a generic, middling storefront? I definitely wouldn't. Having a "good enough" physique, woman or bankroll just makes me angry. I want excellent.

Whenever one of my friends tells me about how he made a cool win-fall in some area of his life, I want a cool win-fall.

Friends pulling bad bitches? I want bad bitches.

Friends getting stacked as fuck? I wanna be in the stacked as fuck crew too.

As for Beckham, who gives a shit? He looks great, has millions in the bank and is in objectively good shape. Personally? I'd walk around with much bigger muscles if I were him,but whatever. You should be determining the physique you want based on your own observations about your body. You probably have some strong points and some weakpoints. Accentuate your best features and downplay the weak ones until you get bigger.

Sitting around and trying to look like David Beckham will just lead to disappointment since most dudes simply do not have the face genetics.

Well said, a lot of guys here are lazy as fuck it seems and just looking for an excuse to not put in work.

[Kieran]

(02-28-2019 07:03 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 03:59 PM)Kieran Wrote:  

I'm sorry but David Beckham's physique is very poor and isn't even nearly enough to give any advantage with women. I'm not saying you need to be huge, but we should all be aiming a bit higher than that.

Your n=1 opinion of Beckham's physique is totally irrelevant.
There's a reason he's the most revered face/body on the planet -- and that reason is spelled w-o-m-e-n.
Lots of women love love love a man with low bodyfat/small muscles/perfect face. Shit, Brad Pitt built a 20-yr movie career off exactly that.

Beckham doesn't even have low bodyfat. He has a very average body, zero muscle, completely normal for somebody that doesn't even go to the gym. I know people that don't go to the gym with way better bodies than him.

Brad Pitt I can see your argument with, or say Christiano Ronaldo, but their bodies look very different to Beckham's. Those two are reasonably easy to achieve, and are enough to be attractive to a good number of women. If somebody wants to be at the point where they're getting laid off their bodies though they need more than that.

[Teedub]

Sorry, but Brad Pitt (Fight Club, but more so Snatch) aren't easy to achieve. Never mind Ronaldo. Both have extraordinarily low body fat and despite what some seem to think... lots of resistance training. Pitt in Snatch is big in the arms and shoulders and Ronaldo up to around 2016 is pretty much the ideal ratio for men in terms of proportions. He started to shed muscle after that to retain speed and prolong his career.

Ronaldo around 2014 would get girls based off his physique alone if he were a guy on Tinder. Even now to be honest. I'd argue Pitt would too. Definitely in the Troy era.

This thread is horrid

[Kieran]

Teedub I shouldn't have said they're easy to achieve, but they are very much achievable for a natural prepared to lift weights 3-4 times a week and be consistent with their nutrition. I also agree they'd get girls on tinder through their physiques, but it's not enough to do anything for them in nightlife wearing clothes. Neither would it be a weakness though.

I'm pretty much in the middle of both sides on this debate because I know you don't even need to go to the gym to get girls, but at the same time it definitely gets attraction.

Edited to add - I was talking more about Brad Pitt in Fight Club. In Troy his body is much more developed and is at that point where girls are going to start to notice even in clothes (I'd guess somewhere around 16 inch arms, 44-45 inch chest, 31 inch waist or so).

[The Usual Suspect]

There a lot of ego in this thread and people needing to prove alpha calling autistic

Again at no point have a said working out isn’t an advantage. Some seem to think I’ve said don’t bother, it’s useless

Repeat again - anything from Beckham to the rock is an advantage, outside of those book ends I think you start diminishing your attraction

I haven’t slagged anyone who believes in being in shape, just said do it for yourself not others, and that the slim toned look is the most universally popular - in answer to the OP with the law of diminishing returns on becoming excessively massive/vein poppingly shredded

The confidence you get from it is what’s important. Otherwise agree to disagree

[Teedub]

(03-01-2019 10:12 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

I also agree they'd get girls on tinder through their physiques, but it's not enough to do anything for them in nightlife wearing clothes. Neither would it be a weakness though.

Maybe not Beckham or Pitt... but Ronaldo? Come on man.


Time to bow out when I'm posting half naked pics of other men.

[quaker13]

(03-01-2019 07:12 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Sorry, but Brad Pitt (Fight Club, but more so Snatch) aren't easy to achieve. Never mind Ronaldo. Both have extraordinarily low body fat and despite what some seem to think... lots of resistance training. Pitt in Snatch is big in the arms and shoulders and Ronaldo up to around 2016 is pretty much the ideal ratio for men in terms of proportions. He started to shed muscle after that to retain speed and prolong his career.

Ronaldo around 2014 would get girls based off his physique alone if he were a guy on Tinder. Even now to be honest. I'd argue Pitt would too. Definitely in the Troy era.

This thread is horrid

The funny thing is both Pitt and Ronaldo have likely done cycles. Don't be fooled by the fact they don't look like the Rock

[Repo]

(03-01-2019 10:12 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

Teedub I shouldn't have said they're easy to achieve, but they are very much achievable for a natural prepared to lift weights 3-4 times a week and be consistent with their nutrition. I also agree they'd get girls on tinder through their physiques, but it's not enough to do anything for them in nightlife wearing clothes. Neither would it be a weakness though.

I'm pretty much in the middle of both sides on this debate because I know you don't even need to go to the gym to get girls, but at the same time it definitely gets attraction.

Edited to add - I was talking more about Brad Pitt in Fight Club. In Troy his body is much more developed and is at that point where girls are going to start to notice even in clothes (I'd guess somewhere around 16 inch arms, 44-45 inch chest, 31 inch waist or so).

So I take it you didnt read the article where Brad talked about the ridiculous lengths he had to go to get that physique, and the fact that he did many of the scenes severely dehydrated and immediately before the scenes doing a bunch of pushups to get a pump?

I'm sure he would get a good chuckle about how achievable it is for the average guy.

[Savonarola]

(03-01-2019 11:04 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Time to bow out when I'm posting half naked pics of other men.

lol

[No More Mr. Soy Boy]

(03-01-2019 10:13 AM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  

Repeat again - anything from Beckham to the rock is an advantage,

Really? I wouldn't call Beckham's physique an advantage and I don't think his physique stands out. Most guys look like kind of skinny fat, I think. No arms, no shoulders, no chest, no traps, no abs. The attraction to him is in him as a style symbol, he decides what is cool fashion and therefore has status combined with being famous for playing high level football, edgy tattoos and a wife also considered having high status, pre-selection etc.

But his body? Naw. Rather not a disadvantage.

[The Usual Suspect]

I guess I have over estimated him somewhat - happily hold my hands up - but in his defence that body will be better than 95% of the worlds 43 year olds, so given that percentage then yes it’s an advantage....but maybe not for a 25 year old?

I’m a similar age to him so it may be influencing me. He’s an interesting case study really, but that’s for another thread

[No More Mr. Soy Boy]

(03-01-2019 11:26 AM)Repo Wrote:  

So I take it you didnt read the article where Brad talked about the ridiculous lengths he had to go to get that physique, and the fact that he did many of the scenes severely dehydrated and immediately before the scenes doing a bunch of pushups to get a pump?

I'm sure he would get a good chuckle about how achievable it is for the average guy.

You are plain wrong and I'll explain why...

1. The little muscle mass Pitt had put on, I'd say takes maximum 1 1/2 years of hitting the gym 3-4 times a week for the average guy. Maximum. Look at the Fight Club photos, there's not a lot of muscle mass there. Ridiculous lengths? Wow.

2. You would have to do a cut after that and there are several ways you can go about doing that.

The hard cut where you make a much bigger restriction of your calories and therefore increase the risk of losing size can be useful if you really need to get ready for a photo shoot, a role in a movie and don't mind losing a bit of size in the proces. That's what Pitt did and that's what some light fighters tend to, sure. But how many "average guys" do have to get ready for that?

No, it would actually be better and easier to use a slower cut and in the process so instead of a hard cut for 8 weeks you might take it lighter, maybe even do a diet break for a week or even two. The best and easiest way to cut and lose fat actually not does try and do like fighters and stay dehydrated and restrict the calories enormously.

Listen to this podcast episode and you might get some more insight into it:

[CDRhodes]

I can’t speak for being truly huge, but for me, going from a 130lb ultramarathon runner to a 180lb gym rat in the mid-late 2000’s was a complete game changer. Whereas I was invisible in a club previously, I found I could toss on a fitted v neck shirt and didn’t even have to work that hard at it any more. With that said, game>fitness for the most part. My best friend is ugly, balding and skinny fat. His game is so tight, he always destroyed quality ass.

[Savonarola]

(03-01-2019 11:27 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

(03-01-2019 10:13 AM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  

Repeat again - anything from Beckham to the rock is an advantage,

Really? I wouldn't call Beckham's physique an advantage and I don't think his physique stands out. Most guys look like kind of skinny fat, I think. No arms, no shoulders, no chest, no traps, no abs. The attraction to him is in him as a style symbol, he decides what is cool fashion and therefore has status combined with being famous for playing high level football, edgy tattoos and a wife also considered having high status, pre-selection etc.

But his body? Naw. Rather not a disadvantage.

still way above average. ottermode in full effect. it hits a lot of women in just the right place, particularly because Becks knows how to look into a camera in just the right way.
plus the stadiums full of applause and designer wardrobe don't hurt.

Many of us here apply our own male desire for muscles onto the female mind.
That's a fallacy.
Remember that women are much more complex creatures than we are.

AGAIN.....Not to beat a dead horse, but yes of course a few women respond quite well and instinctively to muscles -- those are the ones who openly stare at or approach jacked guys in public. That in turn leads jacked guys on this forum to say 'gaahhh, come on brah, all women love muscles, don't be dumb'.
That set of women that inflates the jacked guy's ego constitutes <1% of all women.

Many, many, many other women follow other evolutionary cues that are less obvious, more hidden. You know many of those women, even if you don't know that you know them.

I say this as a fairly jacked guy myself. I've gotten more looks in public in the last 3 years since I put on 20 pounds of muscle. But I'm not fooling myself. Those public glances still represent a tiny tiny fraction, <1% of all available women.

Fact is, most of the hottest girls I banged long before I put on that muscle mass, including a 3-month relationship with a print model. My ex-wife was a hot little number as well, with legs and ass for days. All that was when I was in otter mode. With a good face, blond hair, blue eyes, and 6'2" height -- and a LOT of amused mastery game -- I got all the trim that I wanted. No big muscles necessary.

tl;dr Muscles help get a few more women interested in you. But not nearly as much as social proof, facial symmetry, height, and GAME.

[Savonarola]

(03-01-2019 11:48 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

1. The little muscle mass Pitt had put on, I'd say takes maximum 1 1/2 years of hitting the gym 3-4 times a week for the average guy. Maximum. Look at the Fight Club photos, there's not a lot of muscle mass there. Ridiculous lengths? Wow.

Ah-nold Schwarzenegger himself when asked about Pitt's physique in Fight Club said something like, "You want to look like him? That's easy - just eat carrots for three months."

[Repo]

(03-01-2019 11:48 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

(03-01-2019 11:26 AM)Repo Wrote:  

So I take it you didnt read the article where Brad talked about the ridiculous lengths he had to go to get that physique, and the fact that he did many of the scenes severely dehydrated and immediately before the scenes doing a bunch of pushups to get a pump?

I'm sure he would get a good chuckle about how achievable it is for the average guy.

You are plain wrong and I'll explain why...

1. The little muscle mass Pitt had put on, I'd say takes maximum 1 1/2 years of hitting the gym 3-4 times a week for the average guy. Maximum. Look at the Fight Club photos, there's not a lot of muscle mass there. Ridiculous lengths? Wow.

2. You would have to do a cut after that and there are several ways you can go about doing that.

The hard cut where you make a much bigger restriction of your calories and therefore increase the risk of losing size can be useful if you really need to get ready for a photo shoot, a role in a movie and don't mind losing a bit of size in the proces. That's what Pitt did and that's what some light fighters tend to, sure. But how many "average guys" do have to get ready for that?

No, it would actually be better and easier to use a slower cut and in the process so instead of a hard cut for 8 weeks you might take it lighter, maybe even do a diet break for a week or even two. The best and easiest way to cut and lose fat actually not does try and do like fighters and stay dehydrated and restrict the calories enormously.

Listen to this podcast episode and you might get some more insight into it:

You start your wall of autism with a statement of why I am wrong and then demonstrate you didnt even understand what I wrote.

Go ahead and start charging for personal training for movie stars and bodybuilding since your such a know it all that you dont even bother reading peoples posts before you sperg out. I'm sure if all the Hollywood trainers simply consulted you, they would be so much wiser given your vast experience in this realm.