[GameTheory]

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[Arg expert]

(11-27-2013 01:26 PM)calihunter Wrote:  

Any of you consider the possibility that cultural commonalities of all the women you discuss may cone from being of similar latin Catholic middle of the pack economy countries?

You cannot compare the economics situation most of Spanish and Argentine women live in.

Spanish women will not be incapable of traveling abroad or taking holidays in Summer or at some point, buying their own apartment. European so-called crisis, or not. Yes I know, Spain is 'hard-hit' by the crisis, lots of unemployment, supposedly ... still Spanish supermarkets are full of chicks buying useless clothes and lots of supposedly-unemployed people collect State money and work casually, illegally... so, Spanish people fare well, thanks.

But, an Argentine middle-class woman..... nowadays her life is quite different. Going in Summer to Floripa? Not anymore. Buying a flat? yeah, sure.....

So, their life being so different, how could they be so very much alike? doesn't make sense...

You are just talking of the Argentine women whom you met abroad, the quite-wealthy, seemingly-arrogant ones. Not the majority of Argentine women are like that.

Also, I repeat : any Spaniard would point out right away about HUGE differences among Spanish provinces, like Swadeshi just did :
"After living in Madrid for 6 years I moved to Barcelona 7 months ago and there is quite a noticeable difference, Catalan girls here are much more stuck up and difficult, here social circle is even more important, so I m not enjoying Barcelona that much."

[Steve Derekson]

(11-27-2013 04:18 PM)Arg expert Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 01:26 PM)calihunter Wrote:  

Any of you consider the possibility that cultural commonalities of all the women you discuss may cone from being of similar latin Catholic middle of the pack economy countries?

You cannot compare the economics situation most of Spanish and Argentine women live in.

Spanish women will not be incapable of traveling abroad or taking holidays in Summer or at some point, buying their own apartment. European so-called crisis, or not. Yes I know, Spain is 'hard-hit' by the crisis, lots of unemployment, supposedly ... still Spanish supermarkets are full of chicks buying useless clothes and lots of supposedly-unemployed people collect State money and work casually, illegally... so, Spanish people fare well, thanks.

But, an Argentine middle-class woman..... nowadays her life is quite different. Going in Summer to Floripa? Not anymore. Buying a flat? yeah, sure.....

So, their life being so different, how could they be so very much alike? doesn't make sense...

You are just talking of the Argentine women whom you met abroad, the quite-wealthy, seemingly-arrogant ones. Not the majority of Argentine women are like that.

Also, I repeat : any Spaniard would point out right away about HUGE differences among Spanish provinces, like Swadeshi just did :
"After living in Madrid for 6 years I moved to Barcelona 7 months ago and there is quite a noticeable difference, Catalan girls here are much more stuck up and difficult, here social circle is even more important, so I m not enjoying Barcelona that much."

I agree there are differences, but it doesn't really matter if a girl is stuck up or not. A Vasca may be a bitch to me, but I can still crack her because the same principles apply everywhere in Spain. A girl from the South may be sweet to me, but she flake harder than any if the set isn't right. So, in terms of game, I don't care to differentiate because they are all gamed the same, Argentines included.

I don't know if it is the Argentine women I have met in Spain that are flakey but, when I was in Argentina they were just as flakey. And, it seems that every report on the place seems to agree with that point.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-27-2013 02:50 PM)Steve Derekson Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 02:12 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:41 PM)Steve Derekson Wrote:  

While a girl from another nationality might date you if she finds you attractive, a Spanish woman will not.

Can you elaborate on this a little?

Why do you say this?

Quote:

5. You should tell her you are at least two years older than she is. If she asks, tell her to guess, and while she is guessing ask her age. She will tell you, so add 2 years to be sure of it. Then add another 2, so be 4 more than what she says.

Is a ten year age gap uncommon in Spain in your opinion?

15? 20?

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Have you ever known a guy that murders Spain?

Like 1-2 new girls every week?

Or is that a near impossibility because first night swoops are so hard to come by?

---

Also, are you ethnically Spanish? Or American?

Say I approach an American girl who finds me hot and I number-close her after five minutes. She still might come out on a date with me. But, unless a Spanish girl leaves the set thinking "Wow, what an amazing guy", hence emotional connection, she won't come out on the date. That is, she must feel the need to come out, not just do it for the hell of it like an American would.

Ten year gap is uncommon, but it is crucial you are older than the girl, anywhere from 2-4 years.

I don't like to brag, and I don't want to make claims that I cannot back up with evidence, but I do get consistent results from cold approach. But, anything less than a perfect set (what I described above) will yield a flake, and girls will not forgive anything. That being said, fast lays are luck-based and far apart. But, if you are willing to put in 3-4 dates, you will get laid regularly.

I am Spanish, grew up in Spain, but I speak English well enough I can pass for an Englishman, which is what I do.

Thanks for your responses.

I am guess by the non-answer to "Have you ever known a guy that murders Spain?" means "no".

Yeah, I don't know anyone either.

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Do you find that the points you have brought up are across the board in all of Spain?

Or are some regions significantly easier than others?

I have had success with some Galician girls, but I have never been there.

So how would you rank the girls from the different regions of Spain in order of easiness?

[LEMONed IScream]

I can vouch that in Portugal it's pretty much like this, only a tad bit harder too. The quality of girls here has been increasing A LOT in these last years, this new generation just doesn't compare with the previous one, hotter, easier girls, dumber too though -_- But in general, yes, Steve is spot on, I'll also emphasize the difficulty for ONS and that they'll want to date you instead -.- getting hot girls in both countries is hard too!

[Matt3B]

You guys make too much of a deal about having one night stands. It's harder to do in most of Europe compared to England and America so your success or lack of shouldn't be judged on whether you had sex on the first night. Girls are higher quality and more of them are brought up with traditional family values. It's a lot more common in Europe to speak to 10 girls and over half of them are genuine "good girls" who place a lot of emphasis on family.

English girls? American girls? Not so many.

If I meet a girl on the street that I'm attracted to and interested in, I'll pursue it of course with the goal to have sex with her, but not immediately. Too many guys fail because they come across as thirsty sex pests. It's a longer game with European girls and the reason most guys fail with these girls is because they don't get what they want straight away, or it's too transparent to the girl what you want and they get turned off. These guys lack real people skills and the ability to read someone's character.

There's simply not that slutty culture in a lot of Europe. Of course there are slutty girls, but girls in general are more cautious about being slutty.

[swadeshi]

(11-27-2013 09:44 PM)MattC Wrote:  

You guys make too much of a deal about having one night stands. It's harder to do in most of Europe compared to England and America so your success or lack of shouldn't be judged on whether you had sex on the first night. Girls are higher quality and more of them are brought up with traditional family values. It's a lot more common in Europe to speak to 10 girls and over half of them are genuine "good girls" who place a lot of emphasis on family.

English girls? American girls? Not so many.

If I meet a girl on the street that I'm attracted to and interested in, I'll pursue it of course with the goal to have sex with her, but not immediately. Too many guys fail because they come across as thirsty sex pests. It's a longer game with European girls and the reason most guys fail with these girls is because they don't get what they want straight away, or it's too transparent to the girl what you want and they get turned off. These guys lack real people skills and the ability to read someone's character.

There's simply not that slutty culture in a lot of Europe. Of course there are slutty girls, but girls in general are more cautious about being slutty.

True dat. I agree wholeheartedly. I never strive for a same night lay, and everytime it happens it had been because the girl initiated, but as I mentioned earlier that also means that the girl just wanted a one night stand, which, as blasphemic as it may sound to most here is not what I'm after, for me if a girl is cute and sexy, why would you just wanna bang her once. I wanna enjoy her for a period of time and it'd be better if she becomes a fuckbuddy. On the other hand that doesnt mean that I m willing to be her orbiter for weeks or months on end without getting any, either. I strive for balance, I have some patience, meaning I try to go for the bang on second or third date the most, lol. I have quite a few Spanish flags (the only local flag I don't have is basque) but that came after years toiling it here and playing the numbers game. So to answer g manifesto's question, no Spain is not the kind of place to come and kill, not a sex tourist place, Spanish girls just ain't like that. But if you live here and you have a good social circle you can do alright.

[Steve Derekson]

(11-27-2013 04:52 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 02:50 PM)Steve Derekson Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 02:12 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:41 PM)Steve Derekson Wrote:  

While a girl from another nationality might date you if she finds you attractive, a Spanish woman will not.

Can you elaborate on this a little?

Why do you say this?

Quote:

5. You should tell her you are at least two years older than she is. If she asks, tell her to guess, and while she is guessing ask her age. She will tell you, so add 2 years to be sure of it. Then add another 2, so be 4 more than what she says.

Is a ten year age gap uncommon in Spain in your opinion?

15? 20?

-----

Have you ever known a guy that murders Spain?

Like 1-2 new girls every week?

Or is that a near impossibility because first night swoops are so hard to come by?

---

Also, are you ethnically Spanish? Or American?

Say I approach an American girl who finds me hot and I number-close her after five minutes. She still might come out on a date with me. But, unless a Spanish girl leaves the set thinking "Wow, what an amazing guy", hence emotional connection, she won't come out on the date. That is, she must feel the need to come out, not just do it for the hell of it like an American would.

Ten year gap is uncommon, but it is crucial you are older than the girl, anywhere from 2-4 years.

I don't like to brag, and I don't want to make claims that I cannot back up with evidence, but I do get consistent results from cold approach. But, anything less than a perfect set (what I described above) will yield a flake, and girls will not forgive anything. That being said, fast lays are luck-based and far apart. But, if you are willing to put in 3-4 dates, you will get laid regularly.

I am Spanish, grew up in Spain, but I speak English well enough I can pass for an Englishman, which is what I do.

Thanks for your responses.

I am guess by the non-answer to "Have you ever known a guy that murders Spain?" means "no".

Yeah, I don't know anyone either.

----

Do you find that the points you have brought up are across the board in all of Spain?

Or are some regions significantly easier than others?

I have had success with some Galician girls, but I have never been there.

So how would you rank the girls from the different regions of Spain in order of easiness?

As others have already mentioned, it is a matter of adapting to the surroundings. It doesn't matter how "good" you are, you surroundings will determine the game you have to use. Try pulling a ONS in Saudi Arabia. There, you'd probably have to adapt and play marriage game, God forbid.

But, if these girls require a few dates, then that is the game you must play. That, or masturbation.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-28-2013 08:43 AM)Steve Derekson Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 04:52 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 02:50 PM)Steve Derekson Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 02:12 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:41 PM)Steve Derekson Wrote:  

While a girl from another nationality might date you if she finds you attractive, a Spanish woman will not.

Can you elaborate on this a little?

Why do you say this?

Quote:

5. You should tell her you are at least two years older than she is. If she asks, tell her to guess, and while she is guessing ask her age. She will tell you, so add 2 years to be sure of it. Then add another 2, so be 4 more than what she says.

Is a ten year age gap uncommon in Spain in your opinion?

15? 20?

-----

Have you ever known a guy that murders Spain?

Like 1-2 new girls every week?

Or is that a near impossibility because first night swoops are so hard to come by?

---

Also, are you ethnically Spanish? Or American?

Say I approach an American girl who finds me hot and I number-close her after five minutes. She still might come out on a date with me. But, unless a Spanish girl leaves the set thinking "Wow, what an amazing guy", hence emotional connection, she won't come out on the date. That is, she must feel the need to come out, not just do it for the hell of it like an American would.

Ten year gap is uncommon, but it is crucial you are older than the girl, anywhere from 2-4 years.

I don't like to brag, and I don't want to make claims that I cannot back up with evidence, but I do get consistent results from cold approach. But, anything less than a perfect set (what I described above) will yield a flake, and girls will not forgive anything. That being said, fast lays are luck-based and far apart. But, if you are willing to put in 3-4 dates, you will get laid regularly.

I am Spanish, grew up in Spain, but I speak English well enough I can pass for an Englishman, which is what I do.

Thanks for your responses.

I am guess by the non-answer to "Have you ever known a guy that murders Spain?" means "no".

Yeah, I don't know anyone either.

----

Do you find that the points you have brought up are across the board in all of Spain?

Or are some regions significantly easier than others?

I have had success with some Galician girls, but I have never been there.

So how would you rank the girls from the different regions of Spain in order of easiness?

As others have already mentioned, it is a matter of adapting to the surroundings. It doesn't matter how "good" you are, you surroundings will determine the game you have to use. Try pulling a ONS in Saudi Arabia. There, you'd probably have to adapt and play marriage game, God forbid.

But, if these girls require a few dates, then that is the game you must play. That, or masturbation.

Not sure if you saw these questions:

Do you find that the points you have brought up are across the board in all of Spain?

Or are some regions significantly easier than others?

I have had success with some Galician girls, but I have never been there.

So how would you rank the girls from the different regions of Spain in order of easiness?

[Steve Derekson]

(11-28-2013 04:27 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-28-2013 08:43 AM)Steve Derekson Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 04:52 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 02:50 PM)Steve Derekson Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 02:12 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Can you elaborate on this a little?

Why do you say this?


Is a ten year age gap uncommon in Spain in your opinion?

15? 20?

-----

Have you ever known a guy that murders Spain?

Like 1-2 new girls every week?

Or is that a near impossibility because first night swoops are so hard to come by?

---

Also, are you ethnically Spanish? Or American?

Say I approach an American girl who finds me hot and I number-close her after five minutes. She still might come out on a date with me. But, unless a Spanish girl leaves the set thinking "Wow, what an amazing guy", hence emotional connection, she won't come out on the date. That is, she must feel the need to come out, not just do it for the hell of it like an American would.

Ten year gap is uncommon, but it is crucial you are older than the girl, anywhere from 2-4 years.

I don't like to brag, and I don't want to make claims that I cannot back up with evidence, but I do get consistent results from cold approach. But, anything less than a perfect set (what I described above) will yield a flake, and girls will not forgive anything. That being said, fast lays are luck-based and far apart. But, if you are willing to put in 3-4 dates, you will get laid regularly.

I am Spanish, grew up in Spain, but I speak English well enough I can pass for an Englishman, which is what I do.

Thanks for your responses.

I am guess by the non-answer to "Have you ever known a guy that murders Spain?" means "no".

Yeah, I don't know anyone either.

----

Do you find that the points you have brought up are across the board in all of Spain?

Or are some regions significantly easier than others?

I have had success with some Galician girls, but I have never been there.

So how would you rank the girls from the different regions of Spain in order of easiness?

As others have already mentioned, it is a matter of adapting to the surroundings. It doesn't matter how "good" you are, you surroundings will determine the game you have to use. Try pulling a ONS in Saudi Arabia. There, you'd probably have to adapt and play marriage game, God forbid.

But, if these girls require a few dates, then that is the game you must play. That, or masturbation.

Not sure if you saw these questions:

Do you find that the points you have brought up are across the board in all of Spain?

Or are some regions significantly easier than others?

I have had success with some Galician girls, but I have never been there.

So how would you rank the girls from the different regions of Spain in order of easiness?

1. Yes, they will work in all of Spain.

2. They all rank the same on the difficulty scale, but some will "seem" easier to different guys with different game styles. A Basque girl will shit-test heavily, so if you are good with that she will seem easy. A Madrid girl, or a Southern girl will not shit-test, everything will seem brilliant and then she will flake. A Barcelona girl will be stuck-up but still cracked.

I think it should put things in perspective that all girls are heavily influenced by friends, have slut-shame and high material and emotional standards. The reason we say a Scandinavian girl is easy is because she is down for quick sex. The easiness of the girl comes down to her beliefs and to the conditions of where she lives.

In fact, there really is no point dividing Spain because the factors that determine the game you should use are universal among the whole country. There are differences, but they are not relevant to game. In fact, I would treat a Portuguese or an Italian girl in exactly the same way I would a Spanish girl.

[mastauser]

yesterday I had a date with an argie exchange student. We had fun and only when it ended i went for the kiss. It was so funny she started talkig about girls here being 'boyish' and everything.

How is that with argie girls? I will setup a new date but is it true they are not that quick with escalatig? I only got a small makeout

[Giorgioo]

in which city of Spain were you based? and for how long?