[Wayout]

(09-15-2013 10:41 PM)paninaro Wrote:  

(09-15-2013 10:34 PM)aphelion Wrote:  

(09-15-2013 04:44 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

I said: “at least I did not pull out your arm sockets.”

I don't think I'd have said that. It's halfway admitting that you did something wrong. That's probably part of the reason she ratcheted up the bitchiness.

Agreed. It puts a not so pleasant visual in the person's mind.

But overall on the interaction, maybe the woman was just a bitch or alternatively that's how she reacts when she's intimidated (by your dancing skills).

Why would you abuse the elderly like that?
In my 8+ years of dancing I've danced with many 40+ women and I must say it was time wasted! They always complain about something. An older woman ( 40+) who is in average shape is not capable to appreciate any physical activity. They go into clubs thinking they are hot Latin dancer types when they are not! They are old and past their prime and you should avoid them ! They also tend to think they deserve to dance with the best looking guys in the club- completely delirious!

[jariel]

Due to my Dominican heritage and personal tastes in music, I used to not care too much about salsa.

Until I realized that most of the clubs that I was going to were not going to spend the entire night playing Dominican music, and I felt like a scrub having to go to the sidelines when the salsa came on, so in that sense, other guys were beating me, and I just couldn't take that anymore.

I believe I'm naturally I'm a very good dancer, so I looked up some youtube videos on the basic steps. The good thing about the basic steps is that you don't need a partner and you don't need a teacher. Do not pay someone to teach you the basic steps. Learn the basic steps in your own time and space, then when you're ready to learn how to do the stuff you'd need to learn with a partner, like turns, then it's time for lessons.

The good thing about lessons is that they are very accessible. You can find a teacher and do private lessons, but it's cheaper if you take a class. Where I live, a lot of the clubs offer lessons before their dance nights begin, most of the time those lessons are free. The problem is after the lesson, the beginners aren't actually ready to dance because they feel insecure being on the floor next to people to who really know how, so your ability to practice what you just learned is minimal -- girls who actually do know how to dance don't want to dance with guys who don't know how.

Westcoast has some great posts in this thread, but I disagree that bachata is a waste of time. It certainly is not in my part of the country. However, I will say that even here most girls don't know how to dance bachata correctly. They love the music, but they don't feel the music, so their timing is off. Plus they only know the basic steps and movement patterns so watching them dance, is incredibly boring for me. I have to go to Dominincan spots if I want to really get down with bachata.

Salsa is the master key to any type of latina. You can approach a Mexican, Cuban, Colombian, Puerto Rican, etc. to dance salsa with, so if you had to know one or the other, it's better to learn salsa because it's applicable to a wider range of latinas.

I used to date primarily Dominican and Puerto Rican girls, now I mostly date Colombians and Venezuelans, just because after I learned salsa, I was able to go non-Dominican clubs and kill it, which helped me meet different types of women in an easier manner -- to this day girls still look at me after I ask them to dance and ask "Can you dance salsa?", and I always reply, "I know a thing or two" and with a smile and she knows what time it is.

If you ever travel to Latin America, you owe it to yourself to take the time, to not just be real tight with basic spanish, but to also learn salsa. Taking lessons there is way cheaper than taking them here in the U.S., so it only makes sense to allot some of your time to learning that, then when you come back to the states, you can go to any latin club you want to and be a beast.

[Chauncey]

I got a salsa bang once. I went to a mexican coworker's Fourth of July party and made a batch of mango pico de gallo. She was so impressed that a few hours later I was soaking her walls.

[forever_beta]

You can get bangs from salsa like anywhere else. Depending on the scene, the really good social dancers tend to show up to a lot of events and you will see a lot of the same faces. So if you bang the serious salsa girls, expect to keep seeing them again at salsa events afterwards.

The salsa crowd is actually a great place to find high quality women. The average is much higher than what you find at bars/clubs. The women on average are more beautiful and you'll also find a lot of educated/intelligent women. Salsa is a good place to look for LTR quality girls. You also gain a game advantage because salsa gives you a free opener (ask her to dance) and automatic physical contact. Being able to dance (and you don't have to be very good) is an automatic DHV against men who don't, especially to these girls who love to dance themselves. The salsa crowd is also multicultural, so you'll find women of all backgrounds.

One good spot to check out are the bars that have easy beginner lessons, especially if you are not yet a good dancer. Everyone at the lesson is a beginner so most people are just there to have fun. You can dance with anyone without being intimidated skill wise. Finally, most people who go to these beginner lessons are just trying dancing out and so you'll see a lot of different girls each time. Try different venues because some beginner classes in some venues often have a very favorable woman/man ratio in the class. After the beginner class is over, you all dance for a while and slowly the professional dancers start showing up until later its all the good people dancing.

[jariel]

(04-01-2015 08:01 PM)forever_beta Wrote:  

You can get bangs from salsa like anywhere else. Depending on the scene, the really good social dancers tend to show up to a lot of events and you will see a lot of the same faces. So if you bang the serious salsa girls, expect to keep seeing them again at salsa events afterwards.

The salsa crowd is actually a great place to find high quality women. The average is much higher than what you find at bars/clubs. The women on average are more beautiful and you'll also find a lot of educated/intelligent women. Salsa is a good place to look for LTR quality girls. You also gain a game advantage because salsa gives you a free opener and free physical contact. Being able to dance (and you don't have to be very good) is an automatic DHV against men who don't, especially to these girls who love to dance themselves. The salsa crowd is also multicultural, so you'll find women of all backgrounds.

Hmm, I'm going to respectfully disagree with you on this one. We had this conversation in another old thread, I think it was about salsa congresses. The scene and these types of events are usually not the best for banging, even though it seems like they would be.

You're right, the local "scene" is going to have a lot of the same girls over and over again, which is precisely the reason why the opportunity to bang isn't as prevalent as if you were to just go to a random club one night.

Dancers who are a part of the scene are very serious about the dancing -- most of them don't drink, a crucial element when you're talking about casual, same night sex. A lot of them have been training for an extended period of time and some of them are teachers.

If it isn't common knowledge, then it should be known that salsa teachers are constantly in and out of relationships -- not a sign of "high quality". Also a lot of them are kind of broke, they usually volunteer to teach just so they can keep getting their own lessons, and they can really only make decent money if they have their own clients, they don't cake up working at someone else's studio.

It's true that the women tend to be on average more attractive than just a regular nightclub setting, but we're talking about women who go out dancing week after week and through the dancing are being touched by a lot of different guys, it's not like when you go to a social you ask a girl to dance and she just dances with you and only you, I can go to a nightclub and pull a girl and literally have her dance with me all night like as if we were on a date.

When you go to regular dance clubs, nobody expects you to be that good, not even most Latin people are that great at salsa, bachata, etc. If you can do the basics and turn her a few times, you're straight.

[forever_beta]

(04-01-2015 08:14 PM)jariel Wrote:  

If it isn't common knowledge, then it should be known that salsa teachers are constantly in and out of relationships -- not a sign of "high quality". Also a lot of them are kind of broke, they usually volunteer to teach just so they can keep getting their own lessons, and they can really only make decent money if they have their own clients, they don't cake up working at someone else's studio.

I'm not so much referring to the teachers. From the people who dance you can find a lot of women with good jobs, degrees, and active lives outside of dancing. If you go out in an area near a university you can find a lot of quality girls doing graduate degrees.

If your goal is just maximum number of one time bangs with different girls then I agree that a bar/club scene is better because you won't keep seeing all the same people again and again.

I also agree with what someone said earlier, that most dudes who dance are still beta once they get off the dance floor. If you have regular game and just enough dancing game to be competant you've already stood out over all the good dancers who are beta and all of the bad dancers.

[jariel]

(09-05-2013 01:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Learning to dance once you get older is a waste, IMO.

Far more effective to be the young talented dancer, gets way more hotter pussy.

Not to mention your joints past 50+ aren't going to be up for crazy dance moves.

I used to be a regular at a spot in Miami called La Covacha.

On Friday and Saturday nights, I would witness with my own eyes old, fat Cuban dudes in there snatching other guys' chicks.

They would approach the hottest and youngest chicks in the club and just scoop them up.

I mean they were so good at salsa, it was ridiculous, they'd go song after song after song and when a girl got tired, they'd literally toss her aside and grab another chick.

If you see an old, fat Cuban dude creeping on the edges of the dance floor, it's probably a good idea to dance pegadito with your chick.

The game is real wack now, we have guys taking girls out and not dancing with them all night, they just sit on couches sippin' watered-down drinks and smoking hookahs. A few years ago, if a dude saw that, he would have just gone up to the guy and asked if that was his girl and if she wasn't, could he dance with her. Now a dude is ready to pull something because you want to dance with his co-worker who he hasn't fucked yet -- and they front about it too, they try to throw out little cues like their with their chicks.

But that's the bullshit, if you see couples or mixed groups at latin clubs and nobody is dancing, they aren't couples, they aren't fucking. Even if the guy can't dance, if that's her man, she'll dance with him anyway. Shit, anybody can dance merengue, so if they aren't even getting up to do that, you know what it is.

[philosophical_recovery]

Picking up chicks at dances can be a lot of fun if you're a good dancer and girls see you dancing with all the great follows. After years of it, however, you start to crave the start of a college year when the new crowd shows up, because you run through the regular crowd and hit on most of what you're interested in.

You can also date around while paying casual attention to some girls that are borderline or that you just haven't got to asking out, so you can screen more for tendencies to sleep around and overall personality quality. If you're looking for that. Some dancer guys (past me included) are much stronger on beta game and will take forever to ask a girl out, or only date the crazies that come on strong and hard. But, you get a guaranteed time slot of 3 minutes to get a girl interested and something to do in the quiet moments. Not many other situations are like that in life.

The girls I've avoided have been the ones that hover by the main musicians, teachers, etc. They are the ones with the strongest hypergamy instinct and will only be satisfied with having the best men there. I've tried to help out some of the beta men that are dating cute girls that show this hypergamous quality, but they're afraid of hanging out without their girl. They're big flaky pussies, lacking good male friendships, and placate the shit out of their girlfriends. I doubt they have good sex, or I bet the chick is tying them up or doing some kind of dominant shit because they reek of it. It's annoying, and I've given up on trying to help them. They get dragged through the coals, their girlfriends hide their facebook relationship status (hah hah haha hahahahaha) and start cozying up to the better dancers. I see it over, and over, and over.

Meanwhile, the shy girls are secretly craving lotsa cocksa, annoyed at the poor game of most men or not hit on at all, or only by the young player wannabes. The whole social interaction at dances is hilarious to watch when you understand what's going on behind the scenes.

[Merenguero]

(04-01-2015 10:14 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 01:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Learning to dance once you get older is a waste, IMO.

Far more effective to be the young talented dancer, gets way more hotter pussy.

Not to mention your joints past 50+ aren't going to be up for crazy dance moves.

I used to be a regular at a spot in Miami called La Covacha.

On Friday and Saturday nights, I would witness with my own eyes old, fat Cuban dudes in there snatching other guys' chicks.

They would approach the hottest and youngest chicks in the club and just scoop them up.

I mean they were so good at salsa, it was ridiculous, they'd go song after song after song and when a girl got tired, they'd literally toss her aside and grab another chick.

If you see an old, fat Cuban dude creeping on the edges of the dance floor, it's probably a good idea to dance pegadito with your chick.

The game is real wack now, we have guys taking girls out and not dancing with them all night, they just sit on couches sippin' watered-down drinks and smoking hookahs. A few years ago, if a dude saw that, he would have just gone up to the guy and asked if that was his girl and if she wasn't, could he dance with her. Now a dude is ready to pull something because you want to dance with his co-worker who he hasn't fucked yet -- and they front about it too, they try to throw out little cues like their with their chicks.

But that's the bullshit, if you see couples or mixed groups at latin clubs and nobody is dancing, they aren't couples, they aren't fucking. Even if the guy can't dance, if that's her man, she'll dance with him anyway. Shit, anybody can dance merengue, so if they aren't even getting up to do that, you know what it is.

Do a lot of people dance salsa at La Covacha on Fridays and Saturdays? I think I've only been there on Sundays except for one time I went for college night or whatever on Wednesday. Every time I was there on Sunday, the place was really packed and there wasn't much room to dance. The last time I was there it was the one Wednesday I went. The place was pretty dead and there were few quality girls in the place. I saw a model sitting at the inside bar with some below average girl. The model girl got approached no fewer than five times in two minutes. She rejected all of these guys hard, like she was taking pleasure in getting rid of him. Some guy who knew me a little bit come up to me and told me to approach her. He said that he knew she would like me. He was right, but I literally had to catch a plane and ended up taking her outside for a while and getting her number. I met up with her the next time I was in town, but never got the notch. My point is, that place can definitely be good, but I wouldn't go there every week or anything.

[jariel]

(04-01-2015 11:19 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

Do a lot of people dance salsa at La Covacha on Fridays and Saturdays? I think I've only been there on Sundays except for one time I went for college night or whatever on Wednesday. Every time I was there on Sunday, the place was really packed and there wasn't much room to dance. The last time I was there it was the one Wednesday I went.

La Covacha used to be the spot, it's fallen pretty far off now. I started going there when I first moved to Miami because you could be underage yet still get in and drink -- that's probably still the case.

Friday night happy hours were money.

Saturdays were good, but then they started changing the formats of the music, and started mixing in sets of techno and shit. Any place in Miami that's playing SoBe music that isn't on SoBe, is just alienating the customers. Add to that, there used to be a pretty diverse crowd that the club catered to, but then Doral became Doralzuela around five years ago, and that was a wrap.

I drove by there late Saturday night as I was just cruising around the city, looking at different clubs to see if anything was popping, and it was dead, just jits running around with chains on, no ass in sight.

[FernandoPF]

After 3 months of running salsa game, I have gotten one lay (entering a mini-relationship), one heavy make out and one recent kissing.

This is proving to be quicker than my daygame efforts. The reasons?

- I am not only going to salsa classes / parties... I am TEACHING salsa (and bachata) to young girls >>> social circle game >>> this is my main advice around this post: teach salsa if you already have a decent level.
- I am from Peru. There is an extra point on my natural status.

I am a bit surprised that no much content has been posted around salsa game lately. Thus, I will my experience so far through some threads and my game journal:
thread-72010.html

[SW15]

Over the years, I've dabbled in the salsa scene in Southwestern U.S. cities.

I first took some salsa lessons when I was in undergrad. I did not meet any women that way. A few years later, I took lessons briefly again, same outcome. Then a few years after that, for a short time I applied my lessons to the salsa clubs in a different city. Wasn't impressed.

Part of the problem is me. I never got good enough at salsa dance to get a competitive advantage. Another part of the problem is one very important salsa venue in Dallas has terrible logistics. It is impossibly noisy, and you can't even have a basic conversation anywhere nearby. My own personal logistics to this salsa club are not good either, as my apartment is not close to that venue, or any other venue where salsa is done in Dallas.

I don't think that sandbox plays to my strengths.

[FernandoPF]

(05-11-2019 04:31 PM)SW15 Wrote:  

Over the years, I've dabbled in the salsa scene in Southwestern U.S. cities.

I first took some salsa lessons when I was in undergrad. I did not meet any women that way. A few years later, I took lessons briefly again, same outcome. Then a few years after that, for a short time I applied my lessons to the salsa clubs in a different city. Wasn't impressed.

Part of the problem is me. I never got good enough at salsa dance to get a competitive advantage. Another part of the problem is one very important salsa venue in Dallas has terrible logistics. It is impossibly noisy, and you can't even have a basic conversation anywhere nearby. My own personal logistics to this salsa club are not good either, as my apartment is not close to that venue, or any other venue where salsa is done in Dallas.

I don't think that sandbox plays to my strengths.

It seems that you may already have salsa improver level.

I advice you the same: teach basic steps to newbies. Just start with close friends and they will progressively invite their friends to your meet-ups. Even if you don't meet girls fastly, you will still have a cool friends' circle to work on.

[droidsignal]

Really appreciating.