[Tail Gunner]

(08-24-2014 04:32 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Anyone experienced with .22 rimfires? How do they compare to regular centerfired?

Wow! That is like asking how a match compares to a blowtorch.

I own about a dozen .22 rimfire rifles. I would need to go count them to provide an actual number. I also own more than a few .22 handguns.

Compared to centerfire rifles, they are far quieter, have almost no recoil, are far less expensive to shoot because of the low cost of ammunition, and are very versatile (because you can fire long rifle, shorts, BB-caps, CB-caps, etc.) They are very accurate for targets and varmints up to 50 yards. You realistically have a 100 yard limit. (But beware, a stray .22 bullet can kill up to a mile away. This happened near my home town. Always use a backstop.)

If you want to shoot a great deal and just have a blast, a .22 rifle is the way to go. Great for either novices or experts. If you have some open land with a backstop, you are imited only by your imagination.

[KC4]

m911. Always wanted to fire one of these classics

[DChambers]

M1 Garand. The standard issue U.S. rifle in WW2. Heavy Cal, 30-06. Eight Rounds semi-auto. Is chambered when a magazine is inserted and automatically released the magazine when the last shot is fired.

U.S. soldiers in the Pacific noticed that the Japs they were facing would sometimes wait for the audible "ping" that would sound when the magazine would strike the ground after it ejected and pop up to shoot them. They took to taking empty magazines and tossing them on the ground to trick whoever was waiting for the sound into showing themselves. Good old wartime common sense.

[little wing]

Beretta M9 and my butterfly knife

[Vicious]

(08-24-2014 04:48 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 04:32 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Anyone experienced with .22 rimfires? How do they compare to regular centerfired?

Wow! That is like asking how a match compares to a blowtorch.

I own about a dozen .22 rimfire rifles. I would need to go count them to provide an actual number. I also own more than a few .22 handguns.

Compared to centerfire rifles, they are far quieter, have almost no recoil, are far less expensive to shoot because of the low cost of ammunition, and are very versatile (because you can fire long rifle, shorts, BB-caps, CB-caps, etc.) They are very accurate for targets and varmints up to 50 yards. You realistically have a 100 yard limit. (But beware, a stray .22 bullet can kill up to a mile away. This happened near my home town. Always use a backstop.)

If you want to shoot a great deal and just have a blast, a .22 rifle is the way to go. Great for either novices or experts. If you have some open land with a backstop, you are imited only by your imagination.

Thanks, but I was thinking of pistols (should have been clearer). I'm thinking the difference isn't as pronounced then.

[Tail Gunner]

(08-24-2014 05:50 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 04:48 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 04:32 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Anyone experienced with .22 rimfires? How do they compare to regular centerfired?

Wow! That is like asking how a match compares to a blowtorch.

I own about a dozen .22 rimfire rifles. I would need to go count them to provide an actual number. I also own more than a few .22 handguns.

Compared to centerfire rifles, they are far quieter, have almost no recoil, are far less expensive to shoot because of the low cost of ammunition, and are very versatile (because you can fire long rifle, shorts, BB-caps, CB-caps, etc.) They are very accurate for targets and varmints up to 50 yards. You realistically have a 100 yard limit. (But beware, a stray .22 bullet can kill up to a mile away. This happened near my home town. Always use a backstop.)

If you want to shoot a great deal and just have a blast, a .22 rifle is the way to go. Great for either novices or experts. If you have some open land with a backstop, you are imited only by your imagination.

Thanks, but I was thinking of pistols (should have been clearer). I'm thinking the difference isn't as pronounced then.

The difference is certainly pronounced in terms of expense of shooting and stopping power (for self-defense). A firearm is a tool like any other. So, you simply choose the one suited to your purpose.

[jamaicabound]

If we're talking dream gun it'd be another story, I love AR's and AK's however I'm in the city and not only is there no outdoor area but most ranges don't let you shoot longguns unless you wanna drive an hour or more so for that reason I'd have to go with my Beretta 950 or Jetfie. It's a little pocket pistol / mousegun but I like that it's so small I can carry it anywhere even in basketball shorts or linen pants. I also like it holds 9 which is pretty good for such a small gun and is still under 10 so don't run into the problem of being in cities where my other handguns hold more than 10 so they're illegal. Also, it's cool got the tip up barrel, I think it was a bond gun in one of the movies.

[Tail Gunner]

(08-25-2014 08:08 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  

If we're talking dream gun it'd be another story, I love AR's and AK's however I'm in the city and not only is there no outdoor area but most ranges don't let you shoot longguns unless you wanna drive an hour or more so for that reason I'd have to go with my Beretta 950 or Jetfie. It's a little pocket pistol / mousegun but I like that it's so small I can carry it anywhere even in basketball shorts or linen pants. I also like it holds 9 which is pretty good for such a small gun and is still under 10 so don't run into the problem of being in cities where my other handguns hold more than 10 so they're illegal. Also, it's cool got the tip up barrel, I think it was a bond gun in one of the movies.

I also own a Jetfire and carried it for a few years. The one time that some punks tried to jack me (three gang bangers) I had my Jetfire. I did not even need to display it. I just thrust my hands in my pocket and pulled it up to the top edge of my pants pocket.

Those punks could not even see it, but all three sets of eyes went to my right hand. They all stopped dead in their tracks -- and then backed off to find an easier victim (one who believes in gun control). That little darling just may have saved my life! I will never know.

I really like the pop-up barrel feature. Safer than racking a round into the chamber and then manually lowering the hammer.

   

[jamaicabound]

(08-25-2014 08:29 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(08-25-2014 08:08 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  

If we're talking dream gun it'd be another story, I love AR's and AK's however I'm in the city and not only is there no outdoor area but most ranges don't let you shoot longguns unless you wanna drive an hour or more so for that reason I'd have to go with my Beretta 950 or Jetfie. It's a little pocket pistol / mousegun but I like that it's so small I can carry it anywhere even in basketball shorts or linen pants. I also like it holds 9 which is pretty good for such a small gun and is still under 10 so don't run into the problem of being in cities where my other handguns hold more than 10 so they're illegal. Also, it's cool got the tip up barrel, I think it was a bond gun in one of the movies.

I also own a Jetfire and carried it for a few years. The one time that some punks tried to jack me (three gang bangers) I had my Jetfire. I did not even need to display it. I just thrust my hands in my pocket and pulled it up to the top edge of my pants pocket.

Those punks could not even see it, but all three sets of eyes went to my right hand. They all stopped dead in their tracks -- and then backed off to find an easier victim (one who believes in gun control). That little darling just may have saved my life! I will never know.

I really like the pop-up barrel feature. Safer than racking a round into the chamber and then manually lowering the hammer.

Yeah I love this little gun. Alot of people say these are not necessary anymore with the small plastic 9mms like Keltecs and stuff but honestly I'd take this over a plastic little keltec anyday.

These things are small, hold alot of shots and are super reliable and fairly accurate for the size and short barrel. Alot of people talk shit about the caliber but if someone can't handle a situation with this I doubt they will with a .45 either.

I really wanted to get one in steel or inox or whatever the other models are made of but they are hard enough to find as is so when I saw one locally on armslist jumped on it. I overpaid a bit $300 but also got a suede in teh pants holster and a few boxes of winchesters which is pretty good since .25 ammo is expensive as hell.

For anyone wanting a pocketpistol you can generally pick these up for pretty cheap like $100 to $150 if you can find them, that's the hard part though. You'll almost never find them in gun shops since they havnt' been made in 10 or 15 years and since they are so cheap I doubt anyone would ever sell one, walk into gun shop they offer you like $40, I think people would probably say hell I'll keep it and throw it on the nighstand as a bedside gun or keep it in a console or something. If you do come across them though great guns for a super cheap price.

Once tip for ya. Not that this gun kicks but I thought terrible design idea making the trigger guard out of sharp ass sheet metal. Even the little bit of kick it has makes it slice the shit out of my fingers, not that this is a range gun but if you do fire a box or so it starts bothering you, so filed down the trigger guard and smoothed it out and it's much more comfortable.

I actually had a similar situation as you when I was down in little italy sitting in a park with a girl and a guy came and asked me for a ciggarette when I noticed a revolver butt sticking out his pants, probably would have been walking away at the very least without my wallet if not worse.

[Tail Gunner]

(08-25-2014 08:47 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  

and a few boxes of winchesters which is pretty good since .25 ammo is expensive as hell.

Hmmm. OK, I just did a little research. I own the model 21A Bobcat, not the model 950 Jetfire. The Bobcat is a little larger with a longer slide to accommodate the .22 long rifle round, which I believe is superior to the .25 caliber for stopping power. So, I own the model on the bottom.

The other nice thing about the pop-up barrel is that you can load the first round with a super high velocity .22 caliber round and not worry about a malfunction and then keep normal high velocity rounds in the magazine. So, your first shot really has some zip.

   

[RexImperator]

(08-21-2014 03:10 AM)germanico Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 07:54 AM)BadWolf Wrote:  

Basically, it's just a dressed up version of this made to look futuristic with heat shields (appears to have a shotgun mounted underneath):

[BadWolf]

Its for killing ALIENS.

It fires case less explosive tipped rounds and has a grenade launcher mounted underneath. I like it a lot because its the only gun that isn't used in a movie to kill other people.

This is also a nice one, and both of them have a pleasant sound.



Not really into guns that kill people. Had a couple pointed at me, not fun.

[Nima]

(08-20-2014 09:04 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 08:34 PM)Remington Wrote:  

^That thing looks like it belongs in a video game.

I keep several Smith & Wesson .357 magnum revolvers loaded and ready to go. Those are my in-home interim weapons, until I can reach the shotgun.

Where do you live? Fallujah?

[Tail Gunner]

(08-28-2014 02:27 AM)Nima Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:04 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 08:34 PM)Remington Wrote:  

^That thing looks like it belongs in a video game.

I keep several Smith & Wesson .357 magnum revolvers loaded and ready to go. Those are my in-home interim weapons, until I can reach the shotgun.

Where do you live? Fallujah?

I live in reality. Bad things happen, even in otherwise safe places. Always be prepared. This is a mens' self-improvement forum. If you cannot protect yourself or your family, you're no man. Your shotgun should be in your safe room (a fortified sanctuary to which you can retreat and summon help) along with a phone. Your handgun gets you to your safe room, if you are in another part of the house when TSHTF. You blast anyone who smashes through the locked door of your safe room.

[jamaicabound]

I sold my old Rossi revolver but am actually a huge fan of revolvers for carry or defense, looking into picking up an old COlt Detective or maybe a S&W 66 or 686 or something. Revolvers tend not to get much love everyone loves the high mag capacity of the autos and autos are definately better at the range than reloading every 6 or 7 shots but revolver is a great gun, super reliable, almost nothing to think about, always know if its safe or not with just a glance and honestly most situations are one or two shot situations, most people are not going to be getting into shootouts with multiple people or long shootouts. There is almost no situation most of us would ever get into where its going to matter whether you have 6 shots or 16 shots.

[Tail Gunner]

(08-28-2014 11:58 AM)jamaicabound Wrote:  

There is almost no situation most of us would ever get into where its going to matter whether you have 6 shots or 16 shots.

Exactly. And if I do get into such a situation, I still have my shotgun (along with some other stuff that I won't name here)!

Yea, the S&W model 66 is my bedside gun. The model 66 was designed by S&W for the police back in the day before semi-autos became suitably reliable. It was stainless steel, back when SS was still a big deal, and therefore very low maintenance -- plus the K-frame was much lighter than the N-frame model 28 Highway Patrolman (also designed for police use) that S&W marketed it to replace.

[germanico]

(08-28-2014 09:14 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Your shotgun should be in your safe room (a fortified sanctuary to which you can retreat and summon help) along with a phone. Your handgun gets you to your safe room, if you are in another part of the house when TSHTF.

First rule of warfare: mobility.

[germanico]

(08-27-2014 10:18 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Basically, it's just a dressed up version of this made to look futuristic with heat shields (appears to have a shotgun mounted underneath):

Yes, they made the prop from parts of a thompson, a remington, and the slide and heatshield from an SPAS.

Its one of my favourite alltime movies.

[BadWolf]

Tailgunner: If I lived in the states I'd have an auto-turrent in my living room and a gatling gun underneath my pillow. But in all honesty, you'd have to put a gun to my head to make me cross the border into America for any length of time.

[weambulance]

Geez I have to pick just one gun?

Assuming it's built right, my absolute favorite firearm would be a custom 4.25" 9mm 2011 with flush magazines. Threaded barrel, with a matching Silencerco Osprey. Integral rail for a Surefire X300. Coarse grip stippling all the way around with an aggressively checkered flat mainspring housing and speed bump grip safety. Flat face trigger. Single side thumb safety. High tritium three dot sights for suppressor use, regulated for point of impact directly above the front sight at 25m, and if I wasn't going to spend a lot of time in cold environments I'd add a trijicon RMR flush mounted ahead of the rear sight.

I'd need two pancake holsters, one with the light and one without, plus two IWB kydex holsters, again one with the light and one without, plus two single magazine carriers. Minimum of 6 tuned magazines, preferably about 20, all numbered. Has to be reliable with both 115gr and 147gr Golden Sabers.

I had pistols close to that once upon a time but they were never exactly like that, wrong caliber or a 1911 instead of 2011, etc. Since that's about a $6500 project I'm just going to keep carrying my boring, old, scary accurate and absolutely reliable Glock 21 Gen 4 for now.

My second favorite would probably be a 12.5" permanently suppressed (using something like the AAC QD mount, just never taking the can off except for cleaning) AR-15 carbine with fixed sights (tritium dot front, Daniel Defense A1.5 fixed rear), and a lower 1/3 cowitness Aimpoint CompM4s in a Larue non-QD mount. Lightweight barrel profile to improve balance. Preferably with a rail extending over the suppressor but since last I checked there aren't any rails with a large enough internal diameter, I'd live with a regular carbine-length Magpul forend and stubby vertical grip just behind the bayonet lug, the same setup I have on my current ARs. Vickers two point sling. About 100 NHMTG magazines with yellow Magpul followers. Oh, and a Streamlight TLR-1s mounted on the left side of the front sight. So, basically, I'd take one of the AR-15s I already own, chop the barrel, leave the gas port alone, and slap on a suppressor.

[Tail Gunner]

(08-28-2014 04:45 PM)BadWolf Wrote:  

Tailgunner: If I lived in the states I'd have an auto-turrent in my living room and a gatling gun underneath my pillow. But in all honesty, you'd have to put a gun to my head to make me cross the border into America for any length of time.

The United States is quite safe, unless you live in the ghetto section of a large City. But weird stuff can happen anywhere. So, prudence is quite rational.

The fact that you can freely own and carry a firearm in most of the U.S. is one of the few remaining truly great things about the U.S. -- and the biggest thing that I will miss once I go offshore. Unlike in most of the world, the government cannot force you to be a victim by disarming you.

A man who can own a firearm in his country is a citizen. A man who cannot own a firearm in his country is a subject -- or worse.

[HawkWrites]

My favorite has been my qualifying firearm: Sig P226 Navy Edition 9mm. While I'm primarily a fan of anything that fires .40 S&W for its balance of knock-down power and capacity I have a soft spot in my heart for the 9mm P226.

[TheWastelander]

It's hard to pick one so I'll pick one from different categories.

Rifle: Tied between my AR-15 and WASR-10, I like both of them for different reasons.
Shotgun: Remington 870
Revolver: S&W 686
Pistol: Springfield Armory 1911A1 MC Operator. Sweetest handgun I own. Just wish the ammo wasn't so expensive.

[OBJ Snakebite]

I love Finnish Mosin-Nagants, especially M39.

Recently however, I acquired an AR from LMT, and I'm quite excited about that. This is the same rifle the Brits chose for their designated marksman program. Need good optics for that though...