[Vacancier Permanent]

This is beyond ridiculous.

As far as I'm concerned, I have more respect for prostitutes than for so called regular girls. At least the pros are honest with you. It's a straight and honest exchange or transaction without any illusion. While a so called normal girl may lead you on and simulate she loves you playing the long game to trap and rape you financially.

[WanderingSoul]

Guilty until you can afford bail, lawyers and court fees to be proven innocent. The real truth of the US justice system.

[MikeCF]

It's women who oppose prostitution the most.

Sex is vital to life. Men are in marriages where their wives will not have sex. "Just leave" is easier said than done when leaving means paying alimony and losing the right to bond with your own child.

I don't do p4p myself but am absolutely in favor of it. It decreases the leverage women have over the men in their relationships.

[JayD]

@el mech - In Australia it's looked down upon the younger generation as sex is rampant. This only applies in Australia, if it was overseas prostitution is accepted.
Prostitution is mainly used by tradies(work long hours), old men($$) and immigrants(fuck white women).

To be honest if prostitution was brought up in a conversation no one would care. Good thing about Australia.

[WanderingSoul]

(08-07-2013 11:39 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

It's women who oppose prostitution the most.

Sex is vital to life. Men are in marriages where their wives will not have sex. "Just leave" is easier said than done when leaving means paying alimony and losing the right to bond with your own child.

I don't do p4p myself but am absolutely in favor of it. It decreases the leverage women have over the men in their relationships.

The really fucked part is women can basically force a divorce by being such a miserable, dirty fucking cunt that no man could bare to live with her. She can do it on purpose to force that divorce and get her alimony payments.

Hell, she could probably hold gangbangs in your home and still get paid.

Then, of course she can leverage the kid against you and hold him/her over your head to get whatever else she wants, and just generally make your life miserable.

There is this huge amber alert thing going off in California right now. Generally I ignore that shit, because so many times it isn't a real kidnapping. Apparently this time it is, but many times it is a father who refuses to return his kids to the ex-wife because he knows he wont get to see them if he does. So he tells her to fuck off, and keeps the kids past his two day weekend. Then the woman calls the police for kidnapping and next thing you know you have an amber alert going off and people think he is some child molester and kidnapper, but really it's just some father who wants to see his children.

[Veloce]

This is less about P4P and more about the deeper puritanical roots this country has. It's all part of the same culture, whether it's our strict laws on prostitution, or drinking, or drug use.

I'm going to make some sweeping generalizations that could be way off. Sometimes I feel like doing that without providing any sources or backup, but something tells me I'm right.

I'd argue that there are fewer alcoholics and drug addicts in Europe than in the U.S. I'd argue there are fewer sex issues among the genders. And I'd argue the people are happier because of it. People aren't happier in Europe because they have a more socialist government that provides free health care and welfare for the poor. People are happier because they live in a less restrictive society.

Humans are animals. We need room to breathe, pussies to fuck, and to cut loose now and then. Would you rather have a society where there's available access all the time that keeps people on an even keel (Europe). Or have a society that restricts these things, leading to a huge spike in AFCs, alcoholism, drug addicts, serial killers. Wonder why we're all so violent here? Because we're fucking miserable and frustrated. Why are we so fucking miserable and frustrated? Because you can't be a normal human here. You can't let loose and be a man.

I'm actually surprised there aren't MORE murders here. All men of all economic backgrounds need to be pacified. Every guy needs to kick his heels up, light up a stogie, a joint, enjoy a glass of whiskey, get some head, and just relax. Whatever his poison is. And he needs it on a regular basis, and he needs it WITHOUT having to jump through hoops.

When you start taking those pacifiers away from men, people are gonna die.

[T and A Man]

A guy I know who works 90+ hours a week does this, and I think it'd be hard pressed to argue against.

On saturdays, and working on his own gig, he'll go P4P in the afternoon.

He says money is less relevant to him and far as costing, its $150, bust his nut, then back to work.

He'd say otherwise, he'd venture to a pub, spend money, maybe a meal, attempt to court a slut, have to endure her talking back some kardashian dribble, spend 3-7 hours of his time and maybe/maybe not score. Probably endure the ill-feeling of drunkenness and wake up with a brain-cell killing hangover too.

His way, drive out for an hour-90 minutes, have his way, be guaranteed what he wants, and spend 5.5 extra hours on his business.

He thinks that 5.5 hours of work on his business is worth the money.

[scorpion]

The feminist divide on whether or not prostitution is a "sex positive" expression of female empowerment or simply the sexual exploitation of vulnerable women gives me great amusement. The fact that they can't agree on an issue as fundamental as the autonomy of their own bodies exposes the sheer bankruptcy and incoherence of their ideology. It would be like if the manosphere was caught up debating whether or not game itself was immoral. It's all the proof one needs to confirm that there truly is no "sisterhood" among women, and cannot ever be due to their innate solipsism. If a woman is a whore, she will argue in favor of prostitution. If she is more chaste, she will argue against it. Either way, the argument is never from principle, but blind self-interest.

It's why women can never enjoy camaraderie the way that men can: they are all inherently competitors in the same business, the business of attaching themselves to the best man they can find, and therefore suffer from what Schopenhauer termed odium figulium: trade jealousy. Imagine two plumbers in a small town constantly trying to steal business from each other by hook or by crook. That's how women regard each other, always and everywhere.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

It's also extremely misogynist to consider women incapable of deciding how to use their bodies and sexual power, but somehow the screeching white knights are constantly missing that point.

[Que enspastic]

Re. info request on legal status of prostitution in Australia, the answer is that prostitution is semi-legal.

That means it is illegal to hustle on the streets but it is legal to work as a prostitute in a brothel. I am not sure if hotel visits are legal... but I presume they are.

Should men be arrested?

Depends on the argument you put forward. I don't believe there is anything morally wrong with a man paying for sex "in principle". It is two adults consenting to any activity that "arguably" does harm to neither.

In practical terms, you can never eliminate prostitution as the demand for sex is too high and not everyone can get laid. Legalised brothels take prostitution away from gangs and pimps and offer more safety to sex workers, they can be taxed and regulated, they offer a sexual release for men that might NEVER get laid otherwise.

On the other hand, the demand for prostitution (even in legalised brothels) can lead to human trafficking and human rights abuses. There have been numerous instances of women trafficked from Southeast Asia. On balance, I think it's better to keep it out of sight but legal.

What kind of men and women are in the prostitution market?

Probably two types. Those that can't get laid/trapped in sexless marriages and the big ballers. Most prostitutes in Australia would be a 3 or 4, worse than average, old, strong do not want. The big ballers are time poor but wealthy and want premium girls, they're after young 20s 8+ girls.

How does this affect the dating market in Australia?

It's hard to tell. If I was to guess, the small number of socially awkward/sex starved are taking the fugly prostitutes off the dating market but neither were really on the market representing anything of value anyway. The wealthy ballers are taking the stunners (high class escorts), but both still remain on the dating market, the ballers might be doing both regular girls and escorts while the escorts might have boyfriends on the side.

Basically it doesn't do anything.

The only way prostitution has a big impact on the dating market is in places like Southeast Asia/Sth America where you get a huge volume of cheap attractive (6+) girls and a culture where solicitation of prostitutes is normal and accepted.

That's not Australia. That wouldn't be the US either if it changed its stance.

[It_is_my_time]

It really is frustrating that the USA is going bankrupt. $17 trillion of debt, an economy that is collapsing, and we WASTE resources to stop to consenting adults from doing as they please.

If it is such a big damn deal, make it taxable through brothels. Otherwise get the damn police out there on the streets deterring REAL crime or if that isn't needed cut down on the number of police to help pay for this massive debt.

I hope I can move to Europe.

[Architekt]

In case no one answered before: Prostitution is legal in Australia, but brothels aren't (in most states, at least). This makes for a weird situation where it's legal, but there's nowhere for people to (legally) do it. There are still a few around, but they aren't very popular (most of the whores are old/cracked out/ugly/fat), so they don't have much affect on the actual sexual market as far as I can tell.

[Samseau]

(08-08-2013 12:07 AM)JayD Wrote:  

@el mech - In Australia it's looked down upon the younger generation as sex is rampant. This only applies in Australia, if it was overseas prostitution is accepted.
Prostitution is mainly used by tradies(work long hours), old men($$) and immigrants(fuck white women).

To be honest if prostitution was brought up in a conversation no one would care. Good thing about Australia.

Australia suffers from every woman problem America has. Sex is rampant here, too (if you're an alpha).

I think this settles it in my mind. Prostitution wouldn't make much of a difference. Still should be semi-legal though.

[Samseau]

I'd like to present some counter-arguments against prostitution.

First, and foremost, the main historical reason why prostitution was banned was because it spread STD's like a mother fucker. Remember, there was no easy way to stop STDs from spreading back in the day, so it was MUCH easier to get rid of prostitution.

However, STD's are no longer an issue, but indeed prostitution lives with the negative stigma of being banned for centuries in many countries.

As far as modern times go:

If I were raising children, the last fucking thing I'd want them to see are some whores selling themselves to Johns on the street.

I wouldn't want that shit in my town. I'd want my kids to be unexposed to the sexual nature of humans until they were finished going through puberty, because that's what I think will be best for their long term adjustment.

I also think that prostitution might threaten the stability of marriages where the man is totally beta yet wants to get laid with strange. Without prostitution, he needs to stick with his wife, but with prostitution he might waste his cash on whores instead of spending it on his children. That said, I don't think this reason is compelling enough to ban prostitution, but there is a real possibility that it will hurt some families.

I believe prostitution should be decided upon by each town/city/state, and leave it at that.

Why NYC wants to ban prostitution is beyond me, though. God knows it's already the casual sex capital of the USA. Pretending that they are above selling themselves for sex is like a gay community banning masturbation.

[luggage]

Its legal in Australia as long as you pay your taxes.

Alot of old asian MILFS do it and some aussie beauties.

[ero]

Are fat girls really a problem in US? I thought the girls were like Taylor Swift. God she is hot.

[Samseau]

(08-08-2013 03:25 AM)ero Wrote:  

Are fat girls really a problem in US? I thought the girls were like Taylor Swift. God she is hot.

You serious man?

[Vicious]

Samseau, you might as well turn it around. How many families (marriages) would be saved by prostitution?

And sheltering kids from everything of sexual nature until puberty? Because prostitution would expose them more to this than papers, TV, movies, friends etc etc? That's straight up denial and something tons of parentstries at and fails. Only managing to drive their kids toward a curiosity for sex instead in the process.

[pump_and_romance]

Jayd: Yup, here in NZ the situation is much the same. Prostitution legal; no one cares.

Women in the anglo countries are all basically the same, with only minor differences. Actually, NZ might be even more fucked up than AUS; the lower socio-economic classes here have all the problems that plague American inner cities (rampant teenage pregnany, single-mother households, etc.)

[el mechanico]

Also you wouldn't have to worry about getting arrested for this....
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[uni]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...ation_rate

The most violent country / dangerous country in the whole world
if you listen to the wikipedia statistics: United States
has almost 3 MILLIONS inmates

The most violent country in Europe, as comparison, Ukraine,
has only about 165,000 inmates

[Samseau]

(08-08-2013 02:18 PM)uni Wrote:  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...ation_rate

The most violent country / dangerous country in the whole world
if you listen to the wikipedia statistics: United States
has almost 3 MILLIONS inmates

The most violent country in Europe, as comparison, Ukraine,
has only about 165,000 inmates

That probably because America's cops are much better at enforcing the laws compared to other country's cops.

[worldwidetraveler]

(08-08-2013 02:18 PM)uni Wrote:  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...ation_rate

The most violent country / dangerous country in the whole world
if you listen to the wikipedia statistics: United States
has almost 3 MILLIONS inmates

The most violent country in Europe, as comparison, Ukraine,
has only about 165,000 inmates

You're trying to say all incarcerated people are violent now?

[LeBeau]

(08-08-2013 01:18 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

The feminist divide on whether or not prostitution is a "sex positive" expression of female empowerment or simply the sexual exploitation of vulnerable women gives me great amusement. The fact that they can't agree on an issue as fundamental as the autonomy of their own bodies exposes the sheer bankruptcy and incoherence of their ideology. It would be like if the manosphere was caught up debating whether or not game itself was immoral. It's all the proof one needs to confirm that there truly is no "sisterhood" among women, and cannot ever be due to their innate solipsism. If a woman is a whore, she will argue in favor of prostitution. If she is more chaste, she will argue against it. Either way, the argument is never from principle, but blind self-interest.

This.

I expanded on these same issues in another post regarding feminism being based around relativism, where positions only have merit to the extent you can rationalize them with your own experiences/feelings.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20836-...#pid508358

However, you definitely summed it up more eloquently, well said.

[N°6]

Apparently there are 400,000 more single women in NYC than single men so why become a john?