[AlfaBroMeyow]

I believe there is this general consensus around here that LMR is mostly just an Anti-Slut defense and that pushing while meeting resistance will be rewarded !

My question is ... at what cost ?

I know of 4-5 girls by now who were really attracted to me in the beginning who i could have fucked by the 3rd date who lost attraction towards me due to me being too aggressive and forward by the end of the night.

So it got me thinking ... Would a high value guy like James Bond , Brad Pitt or G-manifesto engage in something as self-depreciating as combating LMR ? My answer was NO.

Why would a guys with options try to seduce, sweet talk, game, finger or escalate with a girl he just met 2 hours ago ?

The whole act just screams desperation and lack of abundance.

So what do you bros think ? Is worth it combating LMR ?

[mental]

Generally, if you feel like you are losing your self respect when trying to push then don't. Otherwise push for it - listen to your gut. Even the best player and the most high value man will encounter LMR at some point so don't think you are desperate if you push - like I said above, only when you feel like you are losing your self respect then it's time to stop.

[A War You Cannot Win]

A lot of the times if you don't display any overt sexual interest at all, they'll overcompensate on their own part for your deficiency. Women naturally want to date up, so if you're able to pull off being cool, calm, confident without display any unnecessary interest in her, she'll do the work for you.

[Prophylaxis]

IMO your value/self-respect goes down if you DON'T combat LMR. It's more often than not a token form of resistance.

Constantly laugh it off, as if you're having a bit of fun (don't come off as pushy), and that there's "no way we're having sex tonight".

Sometimes it's taken me repeating this statement literally 20 times (and been up til 7am) before she caved in. You need to constantly be trying to take off her panties - this actually turns me on more, the thrill of the chase.... In the end you will BOTH feel a whole lot better than if you had given up in the early stages.

PUSH PUSH PUSH

[The Beast1]

Honestly, i'll push but my gut has told me 100% of the time if she's DTF or not.

There will be times where she'll bring it up and i'll push for it. It stalls so i just give up and go home.

It's stupid but whatever.

[Ryre]

Getting through LMR doesn't always mean pushing. Are you familiar with the concept of the "freeze out"? Basically, when you encounter resistance that you can't overcome by just ignoring/agreeing and continuing to escalate ("I know, we shouldn't"), you can instead withdraw your affections--freeze her out. The hope is that after a little while she'll reengage with you, and then you are clear to start escalating again.

Note that this takes some calibration. The freeze out must be subtle, and done without showing any pique or frustration. If you seem at all butt-hurt, it's over.

The first time I tried this, I overdid it, got out of bed and went into the kitchen to do something. The times when it worked, once I stayed in bed with her, we interrupted the makeout session to watch an episode or two of Louie, then back to it and resistance was gone. Another time, I was literally holding a girl in my arms. I just went still, stopped stroking her and kissing her, just kind've became a CPR dummy. Pretty soon she started nuzzling me. I let he gradually ease me back to life, and was able to escalate further without resistance.

So I'd say under-do the freeze out at first, until you get calibrated. Keep in mind that girls are perceptive and can read pretty subtle body language around stuff like this.

(Btw, I think the freeze out comes from Mystery and is discussed in The Game.)

[MrXY]

Game denial style

[AlfaBroMeyow]

(07-02-2013 11:18 AM)MrXY Wrote:  

Game denial style

Questioning a certain aspect of game doesn't make someone a game denialist.

[VincentVinturi]

(07-02-2013 03:53 AM)AlfaBroMeyow Wrote:  

I know of 4-5 girls by now who were really attracted to me in the beginning who i could have fucked by the 3rd date who lost attraction towards me due to me being too aggressive and forward by the end of the night.

If it's taking you 3 dates, I betcha that's why they're losing attraction. it communicates too much uncertainty and sets the wrong roles. Generally, the longer it gets drawn out, the less likely (significantly less likely) you'll even have sex at all. And all that time and mental investment...poof!

Why not just go for the first date bang and just make it super clear what your intentions are? This is just my opinion and experience but if you go for it early you'll force her into making a decision. She's either all in or all out. Some girls will fuck you within an hour of meeting you and it sets the tenor for future meetups. So make the sexual intent clear with body language and words if need be. Then you can take her home or cut your loses and move on to a girl who actually WANTS to bang.

3 dates signals to her that you're the traditional dating model chump who follows all the retarded social rules.

I forget who said it. Zan, I think. All passionate affairs begin passionately. 3 dates is total overkill.

[VincentVinturi]

(07-02-2013 04:38 AM)A War You Cannot Win Wrote:  

A lot of the times if you don't display any overt sexual interest at all, they'll overcompensate on their own part for your deficiency. Women naturally want to date up, so if you're able to pull off being cool, calm, confident without display any unnecessary interest in her, she'll do the work for you.

I respect your opinion and if that's how it goes for you, that's baller. That seems like it could work if you have a lot of preselection like if you're pimping out a VIP at a club with a couple cute girls, etc.

But it hasn't been my experience at all that women will take the lead on this. Generally it's all on the dude's shoulders to clearly convey sexual intent and lead the interaction all the way to the finish line smoothly. It's not in a woman's nature to take that responsibility on her shoulders. In fact, she'll push you away and test how much you really want to fuck her. Like "oh yeah, you want to fuck me? No you don't, you're a wuss. Prove it."

Not displaying overt sexual interest has always left me feeling weak and waffling and it almost always got me NO pussy. On the other hand, communicating my sexual intent unmistakably via body language and touching, etc., has gotten me laid a lot in the last few years.

[j r]

If she didn't sleep with you by the third date, then she was not that attracted to you. That is it, end of story. Work on your game. Everything else is mental masturbation.

[RCron]

(07-02-2013 12:27 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

Not displaying overt sexual interest has always left me feeling weak and waffling and it almost always got me NO pussy. On the other hand, communicating my sexual intent unmistakably via body language and touching, etc., has gotten me laid a lot in the last few years.

This! Every time I have made the decision to play things low key and smooth on a first date it ALWAYS ended up being my last date with a woman and it never resulted in the bang.

I'm closing in on 50 notches and I still have to constantly remind myself to be almost over aggressive on a first date if I want any chance of getting the bang, let alone seeing her again. My advice to you is if you think you're escalating fast, go even faster. If she's not telling you to slow down then you're not going fast enough.

[WestIndianArchie]

Where does one even start with this train wreck of a post?

I'm like 7 replies in, and I keep deleting them.

I'd bet my wages for a year that Brad Pitt has run into last minute resistance and probably still runs into last minute resistance now.

The idea that if you're "high value" enough chicks just kneel before you and pray that you grace them with facial if you get around to it is part of that Game mythology bs that so many folks secretly believe in. It's up there with so-called natural worship. It's akin to Alpha worship.

Dealing with LMR before hand
- run solid game
- learn to read her body language
- learn to get her compliance
- and in the lead up to actual penetration, you build the steam with moving 2 steps forward and 1 step back

Even with all of that, you can have a chick down to her dental floss g-string, and getting her to take that next step can be insurmountable.

Standard 2002 advice that often works - Break state, pull out, blow out the candles, switch the mp3's from playing Pantera to Pat Boone, and play Jenga. Let her work to get back to that emotional closeness and physical intimacy she craves.

I'm a little bit country and a little bit rock and roll, so i'm not above
- have you seen Love Jones
- hey you need a massage
- let me just put the tip in
- let's just go to sleep, but the rule at my house is that we sleep naked.

Hell, I might even do the old school "yawn" *arms go up and come back down around her shoulders* I might even do it for a laugh actually. You can telegraph the entire seduction if you get in with a chick.

^^none of this harms my self esteem. Perhaps I'm one of the few people in the game that doesn't mind doing the dirty work. (which includes breaking up with chicks and not letting them down easy, ordering chicks to do stuff for me, cheating on any given broad with impunity)

If your response to every bit of last minute resistance is to kick the broad out, and try again the next night - what you're going to end up doing is targeting "hot to trot" chicks and letting the liquor and logistics do all the heavy lifting.

That's fine. It is running solid game. And dime pieces as well as big titty slubbedegullions are up for a late night boozy sex romp....The idea that only ugly bitches want to get rammed in when they hear a few good lines is another one of those things I wish we could kill, but so many guys here are convinced "10"s are vastly different than fatties, foreign chicks don't play games, or good girls are different than bar sluts.

But more often than not you're going to get your Christy Mack home, run solid game, and she's not yet ready to go ass up.

Indeed, you can get to 3rd base and never see a broad again. (hell you can get into some 1st night anal and never get a call back - Hey Leslie!)

You've got to be able to handle her hesitation.
Game is about giving a chick what she needs, so she gives you what you need.

Oh no, that's supplication.
I'm never letting a bitch run my life.
Buy her a drink? What am I, a beta?

Yet you're driving home to another night of Xhamster. (at least it's in your auto-fill right?)

Your self-respect is internal. Only your mind can determine how it takes a hit.

And if jumping through a set of hoops destroys how you feel about yourself, and you can only deal with chicks that just lay it out for you - that's fine.

Going that route, the high road, means that you're going to lose a lot of notches, but more importantly, you're going to stunt your overall game.

That's my opinion at least.

WIA

[XY.]

Girl: we shouldn't be doing this. let's stop

Me: you're right, we should stop

Girl: we should stop

Me: ok ...;-)
I always agree&amplify while trying to get her naked. Either i get the lay or she makes it clear by not letting me strip her.

[A War You Cannot Win]

(07-02-2013 12:27 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 04:38 AM)A War You Cannot Win Wrote:  

A lot of the times if you don't display any overt sexual interest at all, they'll overcompensate on their own part for your deficiency. Women naturally want to date up, so if you're able to pull off being cool, calm, confident without display any unnecessary interest in her, she'll do the work for you.

I respect your opinion and if that's how it goes for you, that's baller. That seems like it could work if you have a lot of preselection like if you're pimping out a VIP at a club with a couple cute girls, etc.

But it hasn't been my experience at all that women will take the lead on this. Generally it's all on the dude's shoulders to clearly convey sexual intent and lead the interaction all the way to the finish line smoothly. It's not in a woman's nature to take that responsibility on her shoulders. In fact, she'll push you away and test how much you really want to fuck her. Like "oh yeah, you want to fuck me? No you don't, you're a wuss. Prove it."

Not displaying overt sexual interest has always left me feeling weak and waffling and it almost always got me NO pussy. On the other hand, communicating my sexual intent unmistakably via body language and touching, etc., has gotten me laid a lot in the last few years.

I can see and have experienced how my usual disposition I previously can/will backfire. I've had experiences where because I didn't strike while the girl was hot I didn't get the lay, but also been with girls where almost flat out ignoring them drove them crazy and tried even harder to seduce me to validate themselves.

I'm hardly a baller. I'm just more interested in reading books and drinking vodka most of the time.