[The_CEO]

Back to the OP title "developing a passive stream..."

Yeah right... the ROI on this is terrible (from what I saw).

The site is full of spam and p4p to start with...

Another thing that is lame are other guys (I suspect) who flag your ad if you have a good one up.

[MrXY]

How long did you try it and what were the calculations you used to conclude that the ROI is poor compared to other game avenues?

I found the opposite; in my 4 CL bangs the total time expended per bang was less than 2 hours of online work spread over weeks. 3 of them came directly to my hotel room and I met the 4th for a quick drink before we went to a hotel. So time and money cost is very favorable compared to regular online game or cold approaching.

[The_CEO]

(12-30-2014 02:13 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

How long did you try it and what were the calculations you used to conclude that the ROI is poor compared to other game avenues?

I found the opposite; in my 4 CL bangs the total time expended per bang was less than 2 hours of online work spread over weeks. 3 of them came directly to my hotel room and I met the 4th for a quick drink before we went to a hotel. So time and money cost is very favorable compared to regular online game or cold approaching.

This was my experience. For what you're looking for and in your locale, of course it may be vastly different.

There's no reason not to try but my conclusion (for me) is that it's probably a good good site for people looking for very specific things (e.g. couples looking, size queens).

For me, in my locale, and what I am looking for, was a waste of time.

And like I said, a big part of it may be other people flagging your ad for no good reason. So it's a time swamp just to put your ad back up.

Also: I should add that I did get bites from my ad, just being specific about what I was looking for, and someone kept flagging it... so I got fed up with needing to repost only to have someone flag again.

[valmont]

Would be interesting to use a similar ad in several cities across the US. That way, using that intel, one can know which cities to visit more often.

In my experience, suburbs have netted more replies than cities, in both tier 1 & tier 2 cities. This shortcut was definitely more effective in 2008-2012 than it is today. Women in tier 1 cities especially like to pretend they have more going on than they actually do, or that they're living some pseudo "sex & the city" lifestyle. With smartphones, it's not that different in the suburbs in terms of male attention, but I have found suburbs to generally have more bored housewives looking for action on the side. There also seem to be more divorced women in suburbs in the 25-40 age bracket who never married who are more difficult than a recent divorcee who is DTF.

There's also a logistical advantage to suburbs in that respect that it's much easier to find overnight parking because there will be a parking lot opposed to tenant only parking. You want her to at least stay a few hours. Some of them will want you to goto their place, talk on the phone, skype etc...this is your chance to start building attraction.

Simply by using my own body pics (I'm in good shape but not super ripped or anything like that), some normal women will reply but it can be very hit or miss. One ad will get 4 real replies, the next ad a week later only spam. Nothing too over the top in the description, just the promise of a fun time and to please her well.

As its already been stated, expect replies from gay men, and lots of men looking for a threesome (some straight, others bi looking for bi threesome), and some BBW's as well. Even if you mention you aren't looking for that you'll most likely still get some of those.

[reco2100]

(12-30-2014 01:24 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

Back to the OP title "developing a passive stream..."

Yeah right... the ROI on this is terrible (from what I saw).

The site is full of spam and p4p to start with...

Another thing that is lame are other guys (I suspect) who flag your ad if you have a good one up.

I got a lot of people flagging my ad for a while when I first tried this months ago. Now it seems ok. Even ran the ad in different areas around the state and it still got flagged. I think I live in a particularly active area and that is a problem also. But I try not to put too much work into it like the OP states.

Keep it passive and do not stop using other types of prospecting. I did two day approaches today. Nothing happened but it was good to get out after a couple of weeks not doing anything.

[valmont]

Correction "There also seem to be more divorced women in suburbs in the 25-40 age bracket who never married who are more difficult than a recent divorcee who is DTF."

I meant to say divorced women in the suburbs are typically easier opposed to women who never married in the city. The tier 1 cities are magnets for never married career-minded women.

[MrXY]

Yeah divorced women tend to be DTF, especially if the divorce was in the last 3-4 years and they are still getting fucking new dick out of their system.

Even more DTF are the recently separated but still legally married; they are ravenous for it.

Not to mention the wildest and most cock hungry of the bunch: married women

[The_CEO]

Yeah, I think you could say to some extent that CL is for some MILFS and Cougars and others, the Dick Pic version of Tinder.

[Enigma]

(12-30-2014 01:24 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

Back to the OP title "developing a passive stream..."

Yeah right... the ROI on this is terrible (from what I saw).

The site is full of spam and p4p to start with...

Another thing that is lame are other guys (I suspect) who flag your ad if you have a good one up.

Yeah, the ROI is terrible on something that takes 30 minutes and gets bangs

You claim you have a "good one" up, yet you're not getting quality hits and it keeps getting flagged?

What exactly makes that good? I've never had an ad flagged, and that's between two entirely different countries.

I even had a guy once send an e-mail calling me a "rapist" because I "like to hurt women" (talked about very mild rough sex in my ad), and I still didn't get flagged.

Now that I think about it, that's not even the only guy that's e-mailed me to talk shit. There have been a couple others.

(12-30-2014 08:50 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

Yeah, I think you could say to some extent that CL is for some MILFS and Cougars and others, the Dick Pic version of Tinder.

Weird considering none of the girls I posted in the OP are older than 23 or have children.

[Enigma]

Other points from the last couple pages:

1. Push for the meet immediately. Once she sends a pic that you're satisfied with, get her number or tell her your location/where to meet you. Don't waste time with chit chat.

By the time you've "built comfort", she's not going to be the same level of horny as when she jumped on CL to search for random dick. She's going to rationalize what she's doing and slut shame herself.

Most of my hits came pretty soon after posting, and most girls will completely drop off the map after a couple hours to days of sending their message.

2. When I was in the US, I was probably getting a bang a week with this, if I actually stayed consistent with posting the ad. This will obviously depend on your location, as I think I had something of a "sweet spot" -- big enough that there are plenty of girls around, but still small enough that there isn't THAT much CL traffic.

3. It seems guys are still having success in the bigger cities, but something to consider is posting multiple ads. You'd probably want to vary the content in each, but there's nothing stopping you from posting 2, 3, 10 different ads at different times and refreshing in order, so you have posts staying on top. For example, post one at 6pm, 7pm, 8pm, and 9pm, that way any girl who checks during those peak hours will be able to find your post somewhere within the first couple pages.

Or maybe do 6pm and 8pm one day, then the same times the next day, that way you can refresh twice every evening and always have an ad at least relatively close to the top.

4. Spam and guys become pretty easy to spot after a while. They always have subtle tells in their message title and body that give them away.

CL has done a lot to cut down on the spam lately also. The catch before was the bots would get you to reply to their ad so they could mine your e-mail, but now CL keeps it completely hidden.

5. Regarding the guy that said some gay dude tried to catfish him into meeting at a hotel, I'm not sure why guys aren't setting up meets at their own apartment. I understand being wary, but what exactly is going to happen? Sure, CL can be full of loons, but you're probably a lot more likely to have a girl you met somewhere else and pumped & dumped give you issues than one of these CL whores.

It's a lot easier to get bangs this way, and it also deters stuff like in that story. Stick a knife between your mattress and box spring before the chick gets there, if you're that sketched out.

Obviously this doesn't apply to the married guys.

6. I wouldn't use the ad someone posted on the last page. That's way off from what I post. Even Vincent's ad is pretty different than I used to post in the US, but it's still good and is a better fit abroad because the girls don't have the same English levels or mindset.

7. Replying to ads is a waste of time.

[The_CEO]

Enigma:
i dont know. I did not say I had a "good" ad. I said I had an ad that garnered prospects for me.
But it kept getting flagged....so FOR ME it's a wasteful ROI.

If it works for you, keep doing it...

Like I said, diff ads/locales will get diff results. Enjoy...!

And there's still a ton of spam in my experience. Nearly2/3 of ads I replied to were fake.
And when whenever I posted an ad (that is not flagged) spammers reply...

Anyway, if it's working for you, go for it.

[olspice1588]

(12-31-2014 01:43 AM)The_CEO Wrote:  

Enigma:
i dont know. I didn't say I had a "good" one up. I said I had an ad that garnered some prospects for me. But it keeps getting flagged....so FOR ME it's a wasteful ROI.
If it works for you, keep doing it...

Like I said, diff ads/locales will get diff results. Enjoy...!

And there's still a ton of spam in my experience. Nearly2/3 of ads I replied to were fake.
And when whenever I posted an ad (that is not flagged) spammers reply...

Write an ad pretending that you're only visiting for a week. When I visited San Diego, I posted such an ad in the suburbs and ended up massaging and screwing a man's wife "for her sake." He willingly watched. This was on top of the many more numerous responses that I received, ones that I either left hanging or was flaked on.

[Enigma]

(12-31-2014 01:43 AM)The_CEO Wrote:  

Enigma:
i dont know. I did not say I had a "good" ad.

(12-30-2014 01:24 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

Another thing that is lame are other guys (I suspect) who flag your ad if you have a good one up.

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I said I had an ad that garnered prospects for me.
But it kept getting flagged....so FOR ME it's a wasteful ROI.

You posted an ad online and got prospects (plural), and that's a wasteful ROI?

How do you get laid normally? Snapping your fingers?

Did you consider trying a different ad? Using another title? It's crazy to me that I've never had a single ad flagged, we have guys in a major city like Los Angeles having success, yet there are multiple people (or one particular motivated individual) stalking CL in your city that flags every ad the moment you put it up.

How is that even possible unless there is something wrong with your ad?

Quote:

If it works for you, keep doing it...

Like I said, diff ads/locales will get diff results. Enjoy...!

Guys have had success in Los Angeles, Edmonton, Bangkok, Vegas (?), Charleston...? Obviously there's going to be some difference, but it seems to be working across four different countries and in cities from 100,000 all the way up to 6 million.

Just for the sake of adding some actual data to the thread, what city are you doing this in?

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And there's still a ton of spam in my experience. Nearly2/3 of ads I replied to were fake.

Not a single one of my posts has recommended replying to ads. In fact, I've mentioned at least two or three times that it's a complete waste of time.

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And when whenever I posted an ad (that is not flagged) spammers reply...

Ok...? And other forms of game are filled with failed approaches, numbers that go nowhere, and flakes.

You guys are really complaining because you have to spend 30 seconds typing out a reply to a spam e-mail? And how hard is it really to tell the difference between an e-mail sent by a computer program and one sent by a normal person, given a decent enough sample size? I knew messages were spam before I even opened them after a week or two of this, but perhaps I'm some sort of savant.

1. Initial investment of 30 minutes to type out an ad.
2. Spend 5 minutes every day/every other day refreshing it.
3. Check the e-mail notifications on your phone, and spend 30 seconds each typing out a one or two sentence response to the handful of e-mails that weren't sent by a robot.

That's, what, 10 extra minutes a day fiddling with your phone (after you've already gotten the ad written)?

Then let's say you only get 1 bang a month. That's a very conservative estimate, in my experience, but obviously different approaches and locations will have slightly different results.

Comes to like 4 and a half hours per bang. What other method do you know where you can go from meeting a girl, to her on the way to your place for sex in less time?

Obviously that's a very rough estimate, but I think the overall point holds up.

[The_CEO]

Enigma:
I don't know....Who cares?

That was my experience so far.
Not discouraging you or anyone else from trying CL.

If you love CL keep doing it. Obviously it works for for some.

At some point I will try it again with an adjusted ad or the same one that I like and see...

[Bizet]

Giving this a shot tomorrow, will post the results.

[MrXY]

Enigma, I've never put a photo with my ad. Should I?
I have a shirtless photo of me looking fit and muscular but not showing my face i could use. Would this get the ad removed?

[olspice1588]

An FYI to the CL newbies, post your Kik username. Get the app if you don't have it...it's a free anonymous texting app. You'll avoid the bots this way and most of the hookers, too.

[Enigma]

(12-31-2014 05:15 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

Enigma, I've never put a photo with my ad. Should I?
I have a shirtless photo of me looking fit and muscular but not showing my face i could use. Would this get the ad removed?

I always put a photo.

For one, it stimulates the girl's visual senses.

But most importantly, a lot of people only look at the ads that have a picture. It's indicated with the word "pic" in orange beside the title, so you can just scroll the the listings and only open those. And people are also more likely to respond to ads that have a picture once they've read it.

Think about it. Are you more likely to spend the time messaging a girl who you know is attractive, or one that you have no idea what she looks like? Not only would there be a good chance they're ugly or fat, part of the reason people want to see a photo is to tell if you're real or not.

I've sold quite a few things on CL as well, including everything from laptops to a few cars, and I find a picture to be extremely helpful -- almost necessary -- with that too. No one is going to call you about a car that they haven't even seen.

[The_CEO]

Enigma:
Re Flagging, I think I figured out what was happening with my ad...

At first someone probably flagged my ad. But CL let's you repost if your ad is within their terms of service, which I did. But then it was flagged again. Repeat...
The problem with this is that if post more than every 48 hrs, I think their system automatically flags as a dupe or spam. Now I'm going wait a week and re-post and we'll see.

[MrXY]

I went ahead and put up a shirtless photo.

Got a response from a cute girl who seems real and we exchanged some messages. And several faggots offering to suck my dick of course.

[The_CEO]

^^^^^

MrXY: I'd click "Like" for your post, but only the part about the Cute Girl.


I think w/ guy responses you can usually tell by the 'name' that shows up your email and just click delete w/o opening it.

[olspice1588]

(12-31-2014 12:41 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

Other points from the last couple pages:

1. Push for the meet immediately. Once she sends a pic that you're satisfied with, get her number or tell her your location/where to meet you. Don't waste time with chit chat.

By the time you've "built comfort", she's not going to be the same level of horny as when she jumped on CL to search for random dick. She's going to rationalize what she's doing and slut shame herself.

Most of my hits came pretty soon after posting, and most girls will completely drop off the map after a couple hours to days of sending their message.

2. When I was in the US, I was probably getting a bang a week with this, if I actually stayed consistent with posting the ad. This will obviously depend on your location, as I think I had something of a "sweet spot" -- big enough that there are plenty of girls around, but still small enough that there isn't THAT much CL traffic.

3. It seems guys are still having success in the bigger cities, but something to consider is posting multiple ads. You'd probably want to vary the content in each, but there's nothing stopping you from posting 2, 3, 10 different ads at different times and refreshing in order, so you have posts staying on top. For example, post one at 6pm, 7pm, 8pm, and 9pm, that way any girl who checks during those peak hours will be able to find your post somewhere within the first couple pages.

Or maybe do 6pm and 8pm one day, then the same times the next day, that way you can refresh twice every evening and always have an ad at least relatively close to the top.

4. Spam and guys become pretty easy to spot after a while. They always have subtle tells in their message title and body that give them away.

CL has done a lot to cut down on the spam lately also. The catch before was the bots would get you to reply to their ad so they could mine your e-mail, but now CL keeps it completely hidden.

5. Regarding the guy that said some gay dude tried to catfish him into meeting at a hotel, I'm not sure why guys aren't setting up meets at their own apartment. I understand being wary, but what exactly is going to happen? Sure, CL can be full of loons, but you're probably a lot more likely to have a girl you met somewhere else and pumped & dumped give you issues than one of these CL whores.

It's a lot easier to get bangs this way, and it also deters stuff like in that story. Stick a knife between your mattress and box spring before the chick gets there, if you're that sketched out.

Obviously this doesn't apply to the married guys.

6. I wouldn't use the ad someone posted on the last page. That's way off from what I post. Even Vincent's ad is pretty different than I used to post in the US, but it's still good and is a better fit abroad because the girls don't have the same English levels or mindset.

7. Replying to ads is a waste of time.

1. For me, it's 50/50. Sometimes immediately and sometimes days or even a week later. One thing I've found is that resparking with a girl usually doesn't work.

2. Bang/week...that's good. I found there are tons of girls in the suburbs, especially near big cities.

3. Hmm, that's quite the method. If I post too frequently, though, CL's internal system will block me from posting for a few hours or a few days. I've also found that repeat ads have a short half-life, meaning that I'll stop getting responses to an ad that I have reposted 4-5 times. That's when I gotta come up with a new ad (guess girls don't like seeing an ad posted [and reposted] "27 days ago."

4. Yeah, don't bother responding to ads. I'll sometimes search "Kik" and get a girl's Kik that way.

5. Lol, I was at my brother's place and couldn't bring a sloot back.

6. Never tried abroad.

7. Absolutely agree. Kik'ing a girl who posted her username sometimes works out.


I've found that dick pics don't work well. Maybe girls feel too slutty messaging a dude with his falang hanging out. Doesn't mean they won't ask for a pic later though.

[MrXY]

All 4 of my CL bangs happened 1-2 weeks after the initial response, so my experience is different than Enigmas.It took quite a few messages and several pic exchanges to get them comfortable.

[Enigma]

(01-01-2015 01:43 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

Enigma:
Re Flagging, I think I figured out what was happening with my ad...

At first someone probably flagged my ad. But CL let's you repost if your ad is within their terms of service, which I did. But then it was flagged again. Repeat...
The problem with this is that if post more than every 48 hrs, I think their system automatically flags as a dupe or spam. Now I'm going wait a week and re-post and we'll see.

Yeah, if you keep two or more ads in rotation, make sure they're completely different.

A hating guy could flag your ad, of course, but it takes multiple flags to get it removed, and it's very unlikely that it would happen so many times and so soon after posting.

I'm thinking most guys who are having problems with being flagged are violating CL's terms in some way.

Like I said, I've literally NEVER been flagged. Not once. And I've been using CL for over five years, for everything from game to selling items to offering services.

(01-01-2015 03:59 PM)olspice1588 Wrote:  

1. For me, it's 50/50. Sometimes immediately and sometimes days or even a week later. One thing I've found is that resparking with a girl usually doesn't work.

Interesting. When are they replying to the ads? Most of my hits come very soon after I post, specifically in the evenings.

Quote:

2. Bang/week...that's good. I found there are tons of girls in the suburbs, especially near big cities.

Yeah, I mean, that's just an estimate, but if I consistently posted/respoted, one a week was pretty reasonable.

My ad was good to the point that girls who weren't even interested in meeting would message me to tell me how turned on it got them or that I should be a writer, and my physique in the pictures was very good also.

There's a huge difference between a good ad and an ok one. Even just little things that you wouldn't really think of from a male perspective would throw my result off. So tweaking the ad is important.

Quote:

3. Hmm, that's quite the method. If I post too frequently, though, CL's internal system will block me from posting for a few hours or a few days. I've also found that repeat ads have a short half-life, meaning that I'll stop getting responses to an ad that I have reposted 4-5 times. That's when I gotta come up with a new ad (guess girls don't like seeing an ad posted [and reposted] "27 days ago."

Just copy the ad, delete it, and then repost to get rid of the "27 days ago" or whatever.

How many times are you posting before you get cut off? In Manila, for instance, there's a lot of hookers advertising on CL, and they'll literally have like 5, 10, 20 ads in rotation. It's mostly trannies so I don't actually inspect each ad lol, but you can tell just by their age, location, and title that it's the same person. There will literally be 3 or 4 ads back-to-back with the same typing style, location, and age.

But I did notice that having two ads in rotation didn't seem to get me twice the results, but that may have just been that the second ad wasn't as good.

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5. Lol, I was at my brother's place and couldn't bring a sloot back.

Yeah, I wasn't responding to you directly. There have been a lot of guys asking where to meet them since this thread started.

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I've found that dick pics don't work well. Maybe girls feel too slutty messaging a dude with his falang hanging out. Doesn't mean they won't ask for a pic later though.

I've never used dick pics either. Most girls aren't all that concerned with size -- as long as it's not tiny -- and are more attracted to the overall package (no pun intended).

I think you'd be better off posting a full body shot (with head cut off), that gives them a frame of reference.

(01-01-2015 06:48 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

All 4 of my CL bangs happened 1-2 weeks after the initial response, so my experience is different than Enigmas.It took quite a few messages and several pic exchanges to get them comfortable.

How are you following up?

Once she sent me her pic, I'd just be like "Ok I live [x]", then maybe something like "message me when you're on the way". I push very aggressively for the meet. Even with non-CL game, once the girl's expressed direct sexual interest, I'm not bullshitting around with talking.

Also, how old are these girls on average? Now that I think about it, the girls who usually took longest to meet were older (late 20s and up).

[MrXY]

Yeah they were early 30s to early 40s (the oldest was the best looking actually)

I should have mentioned that im placing ads mostly in other cities since my town is smaller, so a quick meeting would seldom be possible. The next time i get one in my town i will use your script for sure.

Using the shirtless pic is working well. Got a response late last night from a 29 year old who sent bikini pics. Definitely real, i googled her name. These chicks dont know how to remove their name from the email sender line ha.