[el mechanico]

[thegmanifesto]

(07-02-2013 01:40 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 12:54 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Wait, this hayesbrandon30 guy has been on here before.

Don't you guys remember a guy on here getting mad that older guys were getting girls in EE?

I am sure I could find the thread. Some of these pictures look familiar.

There was a poster named hayesbrandon23 who was banned a while back.

Looks like Soma found the thread: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20266.html

Good find.

I knew this guy sounded familiar.

There couldn't possibly be that many weridos that go to EE.

I think it is just like 5 weridos that have 400 accounts between them.

I was thinking when I go back to EE I am going to avoid expats at all costs.

[jimukr104]

You banned Hayes? lol
Well Hayes you wouldn't like FSU. They don't admire pretty boys there. MEN must look like men(unfortunately they smell like apes sometimes).
That being said how can I get a six pack without extreme dieting that would make me kil myself? lol
Seriously I love ice cream, cake way to much. Best I have is a 4 pack. If you didn't ban Hayes He would have told me. You banned Deb so there is no one to give me this "cat walk" info

[Hencredible Casanova]

(07-02-2013 01:13 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 01:00 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Anyone been to Kachalka Muscle Beach in Ukraine?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/copyranter/your-...d-this-one

Cool gym. Medellin has a couple like these on a smaller scale.

Yeah. I been to one of those in Medellin. Rio also has one like this near the Arpoador.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-02-2013 02:58 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

You banned Hayes? lol
Well Hayes you wouldn't like FSU. They don't admire pretty boys there. MEN must look like men(unfortunately they smell like apes sometimes).
That being said how can I get a six pack without extreme dieting that would make me kil myself? lol
Seriously I love ice cream, cake way to much. Best I have is a 4 pack. If you didn't ban Hayes He would have told me. You banned Deb so there is no one to give me this "cat walk" info

Wait.

Are you saying "abs" and "skin creams" aren't the key to EE girls?

Now I am really confused.

[jimukr104]

(07-02-2013 03:34 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 02:58 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

You banned Hayes? lol
Well Hayes you wouldn't like FSU. They don't admire pretty boys there. MEN must look like men(unfortunately they smell like apes sometimes).
That being said how can I get a six pack without extreme dieting that would make me kil myself? lol
Seriously I love ice cream, cake way to much. Best I have is a 4 pack. If you didn't ban Hayes He would have told me. You banned Deb so there is no one to give me this "cat walk" info

Wait.

Are you saying "abs" and "skin creams" aren't the key to EE girls?

Now I am really confused.

The secret is to wear a shirt that says "I have money". The color should be like dollars.

[Soma]

(07-02-2013 03:41 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 03:34 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 02:58 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

You banned Hayes? lol
Well Hayes you wouldn't like FSU. They don't admire pretty boys there. MEN must look like men(unfortunately they smell like apes sometimes).
That being said how can I get a six pack without extreme dieting that would make me kil myself? lol
Seriously I love ice cream, cake way to much. Best I have is a 4 pack. If you didn't ban Hayes He would have told me. You banned Deb so there is no one to give me this "cat walk" info

Wait.

Are you saying "abs" and "skin creams" aren't the key to EE girls?

Now I am really confused.

The secret is to wear a shirt that says "I have money". The color should be like dollars.

Something like this, or is it too subtle?

[Roosh]

Ukraine threads tend to bring out unseemly elements.

[rastignac]

(06-28-2013 06:59 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

^^Almost got trolled

Seems like everyone is in Kiev. No visits to Odessa?

In Odessa after July 15th.

[iknowexactly]

(07-02-2013 12:40 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Ha damn Hayes I disagree with your entire view and I'm a young guy.

Shit you know I actually have the reverse view entirely I love it when I get snickers from people if I am with a "hot chick"


Bring on the haterade and laughter, I live for me, not for dork ass losers (99% of the world).

Yeah, that's it!

No success without being hated!

[slubu]

This turned into an unintentionally funny thread after my trip question and hayes inability to date a girl who's had sex before.

Some more thoughts on my end... At least in Kiev, and probably more so in other cities, it won't be highly possible to come in here and bang quickly girls of the higher caliber. There is some serious high end quality here and at least at night time, I'm not getting anywhere with them.

That said, my buddy and I are both still interacting with and getting further with 7-8 girls here pretty easily compared to back home. I think I've had a date every night for the past two weeks. It's rather easy to meet girls and get #'s and get dates, though a lot of times I lose patience after a few dates and don't bother contacting them again.

The problem is when you see the quality walking around you all the time, it's hard to devote that much energy to a 7 let's say. The 7.5s, the 8s and those that seem very slutty as 6.5s-7s then maybe yes.

My buddy finally banged one out last night (5th date) and I had one bang previously in addition to my regular here. I have only about a week left here in the city so time management will be hard. There are two girls I'm working on that I am very attracted to, so I will be focusing on them mostly with the time I have left.

One interesting conversation I had with a girl... I met her at one of the more trashy clubs and I had seen her there before. Asked her why she comes here and she said that she can "be herself and relax." When I inquired more, she said at the higher end clubs/bars, girls are expected to act bitchy and if they don't sometimes people will look down upon them. So I asked her if I approached you at D'lux for example, would you have blown me off. She said maybe. I thought that was interesting.

[Ath1est]

Arriving in Odessa tomorrow morning by train...who's around?


regards

Ath1est

[thegmanifesto]

(07-03-2013 02:30 AM)slubu Wrote:  

I think I've had a date every night for the past two weeks.

All different girls?

How are you generating that much volume?

[slubu]

(07-03-2013 08:06 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 02:30 AM)slubu Wrote:  

I think I've had a date every night for the past two weeks.

All different girls?

How are you generating that much volume?

Definitely not all different girls. Unlike NYC where that may potentially be possible, I don't think it can be done here because you need a few dates to close the deal. At least with most girls. Here are my last 10 nights:

Tuesday – Girl A
Monday – Girl B
Sunday – Girl C
Saturday – Girl A
Friday – Girl D, Girl E
Thursday – Girl F
Wednesday – Girl B
Tuesday – Girl G
Monday – Girl E
Sunday – Friday : Friend visiting so no dates

Girl A I met at a club on Friday night (ongoing)
Girl B is from my last trip, pseudo relationship I have going on (banged previously)
Girl C I met at a club first night out (ongoing)
Girl D I met at a club the week before (not that interested in her, had one date)
Girl E I met at a club the first weekend (fingered, then went to hometown)
Girl F I met at a club earlier that week (banged)
Girl G I met at a club the week before the date (makeout, then went to hometown)

My usual routine is date at 8pm until 11-12, then go out at night until 5-7am, sleep until noon, work until 6-7pm, repeat. Remember you can go out every night of the week here. I myself can tell you at least two places that are good each off night, and I'm not even a local. Numbers still mean something here, so getting them at night is not that bad. Still no ONS yet though on this trip.

And if you notice a trend, I've done only night game and no day game. I did one online date early in the trip and it was useless and given the night leads I really didn't try it again.

It take about a week or two to get those leads generated but once you do you will have a lot of #'s to choose from. Then you start filtering based on looks and perceived sluttiness (at least that what I did). And that's why it's also hard to come in for a weekend or 5 days.

But also note two things - like I mentioned before I still have yet to break through the 8 level, and a very annoying part is that a lot of these girls go back to their hometowns during the summer. At least 5 girls I can think off the top of my head I got cockblocked because they left for home either after meeting or after a date or more.

[Greek kamaki]

My schedule in Kiev was like this:
1st date:17.00-18.00( the most difficult since most girls in Kiev work till 17.00 and need time to prepare).
2nd date:18.00-19.00( it is very important to get rid of first girl in time she has one hour to prove her value, if the date lasts more than one hour you have to cancel the next one. Also the second date has to be on exactly the same place as the first one you simply do not have time for transport).
3rd date:19.30-21.00( more leisure this time, you usually put last the girl most likely to fuck in order to have logistics in order).
Clubbing:Starting at 23.00 from a popular club like Carribean then about 0.30 moving to a high scale club like D"Lux.
4.00: Getting home to sleep
11.00: On Kreshatik for daygame till 17.00.

[Samseau]

(07-02-2013 09:37 AM)hayesbrandon30 Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 08:46 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Hayes who cares whatvthey say? I mean we all know Ukrainian women tell the truth. It's like American girls saying they don't want jerks and like nice guys. We all know how that plays out lol.
Second, obviously money helPs, but there is something you need to understand. If the girls had money they are in even more trouble. Most successful guys don't want successful sex and the city type chicks. The rich go to the village to get brides. My wife friends are considered rich. They have trouble. They will not date guys with less money,culture etc. It makes it harder for them to get guys. One friend is very hot but she will always be single because of this.
It's like the sex and the city episode where the lawyer chick on thecspeed dating learns that she needs to say flight attendant to get a guy.
Second don't judges guys looks to harshly. Fsu girls havectheir own non holly wood style tastes. Sure the young ones are getting brainwash by hollywoood. But they also have their own sex symbols. They look nothing like brad Pitt lol. In fact most fsu chicks(over 30) don't find him good looking. Remember putin was voted the guy most chicks wanted to marry. Did American chicks want Obama or bush?Your pic of the guy In glasses doesn't faze us. He looks actually like the typical middle age Slav.

all valid points. the old fat guy w/ glasses pictured above is actually american.

but yeah i hear you. Looks standards do vary from region to region. take for example this girl here:



she's fucking this guy right now:


clearly looks standards in certain regions aren't very high. but then again i guess some women will take what they can get.

The above photos are fake. See the little "oldify" tag on the second photo? That's an app that automatically photoshops someone and makes them look old.

And notice how in the third photo his arm is doing the "hover hand" bullshit? That's because they are not even in the same picture together. That guy's photo was cropped to make it look like he was there, but it's plainly obvious it's 100% photoshop.

Pretty obvious that haynesbrandon guy is full of shit on almost everything he says.

[paninaro]

I read through the entire thread as I'm headed to Ukraine for the second time in September, to Odessa. Last time, I was in Kiev.

I agree that the Kiev high-end clubs are difficult and also a waste of money. I think only one poster allluded to it, so I thought I'll bring it up again: What about university clubs?

When I was in Kiev, there was this nightclub literally across the street from a bunch of university dorms. I wish I could remember the name now, as it was great and we went there 2-3x. Since it was across from the dorms, there were plenty of students drinking outside before, including some that weren't even planning to go clubbing (just on their way home to the dorm). Friendly types, and being university students, most spoke at least some English. Then the club itself was cheap (since it catered to students). On top of that, if you encounter freshman girls from the countryside who moved to the city for university, then being a foreigner is definitely DHV with them since they've met few.

To be honest, I actually got wise to this when in Minsk, as there was a club there for students (called Graffiti as I recall), and that was great. Cheap drinks, friendly people, etc. Also when I was in Sofia, they basically had a whole part of town for universities and there were 2-3 clubs there.

The two big drawbacks to this approach are a) these clubs are usually not in the center of town and b) the quality may not be as high as the upscale clubs.

Has anyone else tried this approach, and how has it worked out? Is there something similar in Odessa?

[jimukr104]

(07-03-2013 10:44 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 09:37 AM)hayesbrandon30 Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 08:46 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Hayes who cares whatvthey say? I mean we all know Ukrainian women tell the truth. It's like American girls saying they don't want jerks and like nice guys. We all know how that plays out lol.
Second, obviously money helPs, but there is something you need to understand. If the girls had money they are in even more trouble. Most successful guys don't want successful sex and the city type chicks. The rich go to the village to get brides. My wife friends are considered rich. They have trouble. They will not date guys with less money,culture etc. It makes it harder for them to get guys. One friend is very hot but she will always be single because of this.
It's like the sex and the city episode where the lawyer chick on thecspeed dating learns that she needs to say flight attendant to get a guy.
Second don't judges guys looks to harshly. Fsu girls havectheir own non holly wood style tastes. Sure the young ones are getting brainwash by hollywoood. But they also have their own sex symbols. They look nothing like brad Pitt lol. In fact most fsu chicks(over 30) don't find him good looking. Remember putin was voted the guy most chicks wanted to marry. Did American chicks want Obama or bush?Your pic of the guy In glasses doesn't faze us. He looks actually like the typical middle age Slav.

all valid points. the old fat guy w/ glasses pictured above is actually american.

but yeah i hear you. Looks standards do vary from region to region. take for example this girl here:



she's fucking this guy right now:


clearly looks standards in certain regions aren't very high. but then again i guess some women will take what they can get.

The above photos are fake. See the little "oldify" tag on the second photo? That's an app that automatically photoshops someone and makes them look old.

And notice how in the third photo his arm is doing the "hover hand" bullshit? That's because they are not even in the same picture together. That guy's photo was cropped to make it look like he was there, but it's plainly obvious it's 100% photoshop.

Pretty obvious that haynesbrandon guy is full of shit on almost everything he says.

who cares? That doesn't change the fact they LOOK like typical FSU couple. He didn't need to photo shoot squat.He also didn't prove anything , other than that hes an idiot with a superiority complex.

[jimukr104]

(07-03-2013 11:35 AM)paninaro Wrote:  

I read through the entire thread as I'm headed to Ukraine for the second time in September, to Odessa. Last time, I was in Kiev.

I agree that the Kiev high-end clubs are difficult and also a waste of money. I think only one poster allluded to it, so I thought I'll bring it up again: What about university clubs?

When I was in Kiev, there was this nightclub literally across the street from a bunch of university dorms. I wish I could remember the name now, as it was great and we went there 2-3x. Since it was across from the dorms, there were plenty of students drinking outside before, including some that weren't even planning to go clubbing (just on their way home to the dorm). Friendly types, and being university students, most spoke at least some English. Then the club itself was cheap (since it catered to students). On top of that, if you encounter freshman girls from the countryside who moved to the city for university, then being a foreigner is definitely DHV with them since they've met few.

To be honest, I actually got wise to this when in Minsk, as there was a club there for students (called Graffiti as I recall), and that was great. Cheap drinks, friendly people, etc. Also when I was in Sofia, they basically had a whole part of town for universities and there were 2-3 clubs there.

The two big drawbacks to this approach are a) these clubs are usually not in the center of town and b) the quality may not be as high as the upscale clubs.

Has anyone else tried this approach, and how has it worked out? Is there something similar in Odessa?

Curios why are you going to Odessa? Odessa is the worst city possibly in FSU.Yu wil lalso miss the summer time..which is the only good time to be there.
As for university clubs..they have potential,more so if you are actually young. But my wing and I TRIED IT 10 YEARS AGO. WE NOTICED SOCIAL CIRCLE IS VERY BIG in those types of clubs. The mentality was avoid foreigners. The faculty was teaching them to take care of local guys lol.
You are right about village girls... downside:often they spoke NO english and Not even Russian. Villagers often speak Ukrainian. They are also often timid of outsiders and might be VERY conservative. Better to meet them 2-3 years later after they get corrupted a bit in college.

[The Duke]

(07-03-2013 09:56 AM)slubu Wrote:  

Definitely not all different girls. Unlike NYC where that may potentially be possible, I don't think it can be done here because you need a few dates to close the deal. At least with most girls. Here are my last 10 nights:

Slubu, I scored with four girls over a 2.5 month period in Kharkiv like this. None were SNL. I put a good amount of work into it. I'm not sure if all these steps are necessary or the best way, but I think they are things I did right.

• take them out on a weekday, not weekend
• choose to meet her at a pub or cafe very close to your flat at around 8 or 9 pm
• mention you live nearby early in your date
• have one or two beers during the date. dont order food. she might only have one drink, and that's fine. Don't urge her to drink.
• limit your date to two hours at one pub/cafe.
• after 2 hours, mention having to work the next day, and ask her if she would like to see where you live, maybe to have some chai. At this point, she thinks the date might be ending. Hopefully two hours is not enough for her. So if she wants to continue the date, she needs to say yes to your offer to "see where you live". Her answer will likely be either "ok" or "next time". If it's "ok", you have a good chance for a bang that night.
• Be aggressive once she is in your flat. Dont waste time once she's inside.
  

This is the pattern I followed, and it worked great for me. Try it and report back.

[Roosh]

Quote:

after 2 hours, mention having to work the next day, and ask her if she would like to see where you live, maybe to have some chai. At this point, she thinks the date might be ending. Hopefully two hours is not enough for her. So if she wants to continue the date, she needs to say yes to your offer to "see where you live". Her answer will likely be either "ok" or "next time". If it's "ok", you have a good chance for a bang that night.

Would you bang on this first drink date?

I only banged on the first date once, but I kissed her in the club when we met. I'm pretty consistent in banging on the date after the kiss (usually the second).

[thegmanifesto]

(07-03-2013 04:32 PM)The Duke Wrote:  

have one or two beers during the date. dont order food. she might only have one drink, and that's fine. Don't urge her to drink.

Does anyone try the "hit her with everything but the kitchen sink" approach with girls on the first date?

IE plow her with tons of booze at dinner, then hit a lounge, more drinks, then if necessary a club, more drinks?

I can't think of a first date I have done in 10 years that wasn't like that.

[jimukr104]

(07-03-2013 04:44 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 04:32 PM)The Duke Wrote:  

have one or two beers during the date. dont order food. she might only have one drink, and that's fine. Don't urge her to drink.

Does anyone try the "hit her with everything but the kitchen sink" approach with girls on the first date?

IE plow her with tons of booze at dinner, then hit a lounge, more drinks, then if necessary a club, more drinks?

I can't think of a first date I have done in 10 years that wasn't like that.

might work..but in an expensive city like Kiev the juice wouldn't be worth the squeeze most likely.

[Roosh]

Quote:

Does anyone try the "hit her with everything but the kitchen sink" approach with girls on the first date?

IE plow her with tons of booze at dinner, then hit a lounge, more drinks, then if necessary a club, more drinks?

She won't drink tons of booze. Even the boozey girls top out at 3 drinks. Many times she won't even get alcohol and you have to insist for her to have just one, which she will drink slowly.

There is a "face time" element in Ukraine that is very hard to shortcut. On the bright side, first dates are very cheap.

[slubu]

Agree with most of the above. Girls here don't drink that much at least not in public. I have yet had a date drink more than one drink, or two glasses of wine (small glasses at that). The one first date bang I did get also followed heavy kissing at club, though she did come back with me that night too.

I've gone out with this girl 3x so far after meeting her this past weekend. Still at the breast stage even though she spent the night, so frustrating. But she paid a huge tab last night (800 grivnas) and wouldn't let me chip in, woke up this morning and made me breakfast and then did all the dishes. And I haven't even banged her yet. The one I am banging brings me homemade food, grabs my shirt out of my hand and tells me she will iron it for me, and so on.

Simply put, I just don't see how it's possible to go back to America after experiences like this.