[jimukr104]

(07-01-2013 01:06 PM)Pierre Wrote:  

Well said Prosal

Don't listen to Kamaki, he's either lost in a world.of paid sex, or has been deliberately misleading people here for a long time for his amusement. If its that the latter, much respect.

Even Roosh says you can't get laid without spending big money, then again he's Turkish and completely useless.

All sex is paid for. Getting a chick pregnant in Lviv costyou a pretty penny I'd say?

[Greek kamaki]

Then tell me has anyone of these well off Russian women bought an expensive present for you?Has she ever paid one of her meals?

[Pierre]

Pretty penny for you, the guy who takes women to the park in Ukraine to drink cheap horilka.

[Greek kamaki]

You can treat them cheap Gorilka in park in case they hope they will marry you and want to show a good and inexpensive girl"s image. If you don't want to marry them you have to pay them.

[Pierre]

Paying for dinner is.necessary sometimes, especially with the hottest chicks, but that's the same anywhere.

I spent almost.nothing on many young women I sleep with.

[jimukr104]

(07-01-2013 12:39 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

This is all pretty fascinating to me, and I know I shouldn't look at it like a lab experiment. Just getting exposure to different ways is pretty interesting but it means nothing unless I can actually turn this insight into action. And lately, I keep letting work get in the way.

But a question, other than those Russian prison shows on cable, anything else that I could watch to witness the cruelty/extreme toughness that these men demonstrate? Cruelty is a subjective word choice, I know, but it seems like they have no qualms pulling shit that I would hesitate to do. Granted, it seems like these guys (assumption here) have less to lose and nothing binds them to some, for a lack of a better word, order/system. Sort of do whatever and deal with the consequences, but the consequences might not be worse than what they already have or are at.

Not trying to judge, just fascinating and good lessons can be learned - to a point. Thanks.

Its mentality mostly. The FSU guys in NYC often act like gopnicks also. It is cultural. They are more darker and crueler by our standards. Funny because their American born children are often PUSSIES lol.

[Prosal]

(07-01-2013 01:15 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Then tell me has anyone of these well off Russian women bought an expensive present for you? Has she ever paid one of her meals?

Come on. Honestly, I don't understand your acrimony. But you won't drag me into a dispute. To answer you, you perfectly know that even if a russian (or ukrainian for that matter) woman has reached a point in her life where she has enough disposable income to pay her own bills, way deep down inside her russkaya dusha, she yearns for a real man who will dominate her by taking charge, making the decisions and calling the shots.

Personally I never ever let my GFs, and even those who are much more wealthy than me, pay for their drinks, entrance to a museum, share in restaurant, ect. This is not only a question of elementary male courtesy, but this also reminds them of their status in the relationship, and who is the dominant player. And they love that - not because they see a financial benefit, but simply because this is just what they expect from a man.

[Greek kamaki]

These women have a boyfriend in Milan, one boyfriend in Athens, one in Paris,two or three boyfriends in Istanbul etc basically what you do is to rent these women for a week.If they are not satisfied they may say you look I could be now with my boyfriend in Milan and you spend my time.

[Prosal]

Ok, let's leave it here. Back to "The Ukraine Thread II".

[slubu]

You guys are hilarious - who knew an innocent question would spawn such debate? I will clarify and expand more tomorrow, currently have a girl in my flat that knows of Roosh so it's a bit risky to keep this window open.

[Pierre]

(07-01-2013 02:18 PM)slubu Wrote:  

You guys are hilarious - who knew an innocent question would spawn such debate? I will clarify and expand more tomorrow, currently have a girl in my flat that knows of Roosh so it's a bit risky to keep this window open.

You never forget being opened by the Rooshmeister

[samsamsam]

(07-01-2013 02:18 PM)slubu Wrote:  

You guys are hilarious - who knew an innocent question would spawn such debate? I will clarify and expand more tomorrow, currently have a girl in my flat that knows of Roosh so it's a bit risky to keep this window open.

How did that come up? Did she say, you are not from RVF are you? Or did she say, "I heard the line about a pet store before from some hairy tall guy." Or was there a copy of Bang Ukraine on the coffee table.

[Pierre]

Yes please tell Slubu!

[The Duke]

I hate to change the subject, but here's a video of a club in Kharkiv called Kompass. I've been there twice and it was ok though neither time was as good as shown in this video. I think this video was from June 15 of this year, celebrating the one year anniversary of Euro 2012. Notice the ratio of women to men.

[samsamsam]

(07-01-2013 03:09 PM)The Duke Wrote:  

I hate to change the subject, but here's a video of a club in Kharkiv called Kompass. I've been there twice and it was ok though neither time was as good as shown in this video. I think this video was from June 15 of this year, celebrating the one year anniversary of Euro 2012. Notice the ratio of women to men.

I feel like this is a trick question seems like a lot more chicks than men, granted the guy in the white chestless outfit is in it a lot. The right answer is more women than men, or are my eyes failing me? The girls at 2:17 really worked hard to coordinate but the one on the left shouldn't have washed her dress.

[hayesbrandon30]

i guess we need to draw the line between untrustworthy beautiful party sluts who have alot of mileage on them Sexually, scammer chicks, desparate-to-get out type chicks and beautiful girls who have integrity and whom are conservative.

is there an girl who is a blend of them all or a few of those categories? i guess. who knows. i talk to a guy who lives in Kiev that knows alot of girls who were serious party sluts who have been banged like crazy and now at age 28-29 they wan't to find mr.right.

and it's crazy because he claims these same party sluts were not looking for mr.right until mr.bad or multiple bad men ran thru them.

i mean take for example this guy here. he is in odessa right now.
he is engaged to this girl. and brags to his grandpa old-guy buddies on his facebook account about how he's getting all this great sex.

in-other words he's giving this girl a serious viagra pounding in the ass right now in odessa.



i mean she's beautiful and i'm sure she would love to have a younger guy. somebody like us right? but clearly she has NO-OPTIONS. and clearly he has plenty of MONEY.

i mean some of these beautiful girls we want to fuck so bad have possibly been banged by these old guys that come to the city. there is no way to know the truth.

sam story here in this clip. Old man with money goes to Odessa, he fucks the young girl - she's hoping to getting the wedding ring to get out and he moves on. So what happned to this girl. Pumped and dumped.

so i guess - while the ONS guys here just want to fuck, you have to remember what type of chick gives up the pussy real easy? Think about it? what type of girl are you sticking your dick in?

because alot of guys here want to fuck a hot ukraine girl. right? well..would you want the girl in the photo above or the girl in the video knowing that they fuck these old men who promise to marry them and take them out of Ukraine?

i mean according to my contact who lives in a smaller town. Kiev is a jungle because you don't know who's who.. in his smaller town - (Poltava). He claims its easier to get info on a girl and identify who she is and the type of person she is.

and i just now feel it's a question of understanding their culture, knowing their language, TIME, effort-game, money and looks on our part and having contacts. i guess that's what it comes down to. Ukraine isn't easy apparently but with some effort you can get rewarded while avoiding the bull-shit.

[jimukr104]

Did that guy give you permission to post his pics? Lol some friend you are. That being said he looks like some 50 year old guys I know and she looks possibly 30. Not so bad. But you have no idea the extent of their relationship. Can't assume he fixing her ass even. Ukraine is full of lying bragging foreigners. I saw it 10 years ago. I am sure itcsame now. It's also possible shes one of those marriage agency chicks. We all know how those will end. It cost him more than a few thousand. If he is living there,that's another story. But in that case hecwill not comecacross as very rich. I am a millionaire but if I am living like a foreigner over there I will look first than a local who invests in consumer goods like bmw's, bullets,etc. If shexwas really hot she would have chance for one of the upper class locals.
Put of photos is good eye candy but does not explain anything. It's like that Indian guy on naughty nomad always putting up photos of a select few Indian guys who bagged a white chick. It generalizes what actually goes on over there and sets him up for failure.

[jimukr104]

Lol my I touch auto spell fucked up some words above.

[BCZalgyris]

Lol, I'd love to see these old guys with limited Russian skills try to hook up with girls half their age via night-game in clubs or bars...I think the only way they meet these girls is via marriage/dating agencies or online via pipe-lining which really is nothing to brag about...

[hayesbrandon30]

(07-01-2013 09:05 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Did that guy give you permission to post his pics? Lol some friend you are. That being said he looks like some 50 year old guys I know and she looks possibly 30. Not so bad. But you have no idea the extent of their relationship. Can't assume he fixing her ass even. Ukraine is full of lying bragging foreigners. I saw it 10 years ago. I am sure itcsame now. It's also possible shes one of those marriage agency chicks. We all know how those will end. It cost him more than a few thousand. If he is living there,that's another story. But in that case hecwill not comecacross as very rich. I am a millionaire but if I am living like a foreigner over there I will look first than a local who invests in consumer goods like bmw's, bullets,etc. If shexwas really hot she would have chance for one of the upper class locals.
Put of photos is good eye candy but does not explain anything. It's like that Indian guy on naughty nomad always putting up photos of a select few Indian guys who bagged a white chick. It generalizes what actually goes on over there and sets him up for failure.

i'm not that guys friend, i have a friend that knows him pretty well. He runs a business there in odessa and kiev. some sort of travel bus tour guide type thing. i don't know. He's from the south and he goes back and forth from Ukraine to USA and back. Ofcourse she's a agency chick.

but we need to remember that agency chicks are girls too. it's not like they're any different from a girl who has a professional dater mind-set. I guess with those agency chicks they're willing to go further sexually to getting that green card / or money.

and yeah i don't really know if he's pounding her booty hole with the help of viagra, just exaggerating. then agian, we'll never know. But i did see a her with wedding ring photo with him in it on his facebook account. so at a bare minimum they're fuckin'

i'm just using this as an example. any one of us could be dealing with a beautiful scammer chick who's possibly fucked alot of old men with money.

Didn't we agree that Ukraine chicks who are desparate enough will lie or hide things?

Maybe ignorance is bliss but i personally would be EMBARASSED to be fucking with a girl like the one in the photo or the one in the video - who were pumped and dumped by ugly geeky old men with money. infact i would think that would increase her desire for a younger better looking foreigner man (many of us here at RVF), because she's tired of being banged by old men.

but it's just a small sample of the levels of craziness that happen in that culture. You don't know what type of mileage these party sluts or girls who give it up easy have on them.

now. maybe some dudes don't give a fuck and they just want to bust a nut inside a hot ukraine chick, but me..i don't want to feel embarassed.

[jimukr104]

Lol o am forty and you make me feel old. Dudecold guys are no less attractive than young guys. Fsu chicks actually like older guys. 20 year differences is not so common ci also don't think that chick is so hot. She is at best average for a Ukrainian chick.
Now that you explained his business I am more confidentcshecmetvhim away from agency. Expat business men who live there get chicks. Got to work for it but they do. My ex boss had a babe thirty years younger. I am happy for him. Means I am disreablecas I age. Also fsu girls don't prize looks in guys. Maybe he's a great guy? I will tell you that his business is an attractant. I don't think he's rich rich. That kind of business he's lucky if he gets 4k per month profit. But since it's a visible business, it will attract. Chicks like businesses they can see. I am sure they see his buses. Lol
As for marriagecagencies. I was almost a partner in one and y wife was a scamming interpreter for some. She even had her own side business. The agencies have legit chicks burgundy are lied to.

[Greek kamaki]

Older guys kill it in Ukraine. There is no way a 40 years old can stand against a 50 years old guy with means. The 30 years old guy is nothing compared to 40 years old. The most dangerous guys in clubs who do the most damage are the older guys. Ukrainian women prefer actually established men.

[The Fantasist]

(07-01-2013 11:29 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Older guys kill it in Ukraine. There is no way a 40 years old can stand against a 50 years old guy with means. The 30 years old guy is nothing compared to 40 years old. The most dangerous guys in clubs who do the most damage are the older guys. Ukrainian women prefer actually established men.

That is an unfair comparison.

A fair test is a 40 year old with means versus a 50 year old with means.

Your basically saying that the guys who kill it are older but what you mean is they are richer and are thus able to afford to treat all the women. This is an expensive price to pay for killing it. I'd say the younger girls would rather a 32 year old rich guy than a 50 year old rich guy.

What I certainly agree with is that FSU women feel no stigma with dating older men. Us older guys can continue sleeping with 20 somethings into our late 40's I'd argue ( maybe beyond if you look after yourself ).

[Prosal]

(07-01-2013 08:18 PM)hayesbrandon30 Wrote:  

i mean some of these beautiful girls we want to fuck so bad have possibly been banged by these old guys that come to the city. there is no way to know the truth.

And ? ...happily, good things can happen to older guys.

You'll find many many FSU girls in their early to mid 20's on dating sites who will flat out state that they don't want anyone under 30 or even under 35 yo.

Age can be an aphrodisiac. I am (well-maintened) 50 year old and I consider myself superior to the young guys and act like it in a nice fashion ...the young guys are using their own weapons, I use mines which are experience, intelligence, refinement, presence/confidence, success in life (represented by stylish and refined clothes, an expensive watch, ect), cultural knowledge/awareness, empathy, ect .... and believe me, my weapons are effective. FSU girls in their mid 20's (and especially the more sophisticated and better-looking) expect their lover to be experienced, refined and successful, anything less isn't a man worth fucking.

Of course, admittedly, at 45 or 50 yo you are pushing the envelope for the really young innocent ones, 19 or 20 year old students, as generally they observe fairly normal dating habits and have never dated anyone more than five years older than themselves. But FSU does play by its own rules and after some initial resistance, the initial caution often turns to curiousity and then to fascination as most of the girls warm up to the idea and enjoy the attention of an older, experienced and refined boyfriend or lover. I speak from experience. It is also a matter of prestige to many girls.

[hayesbrandon30]

woops. sorry to offend the older dudes here. i should probably say

old, fat-pot belly, ugly, grey and geeky looking old men who cannot dress with money. or lack of it, because i know that what we consider as middle class here in the USA is rich to many (not all) FSU chicks.

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Lol, I'd love to see these old guys with limited Russian skills try to hook up with girls half their age via night-game in clubs or bars...I think the only way they meet these girls is via marriage/dating agencies or online via pipe-lining which really is nothing to brag about...

yeah good point. i forget that sometimes with all this talk we do about gaming FSU girls, approaching them, surviving their shit tests and that - race, being dressed well and all that - and geekly, ugly-old man who doesn't speak russian with a real dime-piece woman says alot. but it doesn't say "hey this beautiful man swept me off my feet" it says "green-card-money-better lifestyle"

now a older inshape - guy who has some decent looks that's a different story.

i guess my best example is this guy here and his Ukraine wife:




aside from what i know about them already as a couple - which confirms that it is what it looks like:

i mean many dudes i know who are discovering Ukraine when they see this they have a Picard WTF moment.


this girl is really beautiful but with the knowledge that he too is giving her a viagra pounding on a daily basis - i wouldn't touch her now.She's dirty to me now... now there are probably plenty of thristy dudes out there who would take her but with me - i mean just the idea of them fuckin' makes me want to puke. YUCK!!! ugggghhhh!!!!

but i do know that not all FSU chicks are the same.

i know some very plain looking ukraine chicks that have told me that they would never date an old-fat man. and you would think that that plain ukraine chicks who compared to these girls pictured above look ugly - would be happy to get whomever they could. right? well...

it just goes to show that not all woman are the same - and that what allows some of this weirdness is the economics behind it. but the bottom line is know yourself as a man and know whom you're sticking your dick in.