[OGNorCal707]

(07-20-2010 11:53 PM)Btbob Wrote:  

(07-20-2010 08:50 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(07-20-2010 07:50 PM)Btbob Wrote:  

No doubt. I'm pretty honest about my focus being on the action rather than the flag or my bank acccount.

If thats the case, then you've got some deep seeded issues that you need to work out.

Jesus dude, That is not what I nor anyone else is saying. No servicemember Ive ever met has expressed in any way that they like shooting people. Certain parts of this are horrible and terrible things that will give anyone nightmares.

By action I mean the interfacing with a local culture, while trying to accomplish your objectives. Working with foreign partners to accomplish the complete construction of a modern society in a complex tribal system.

Yeah, there are some adrenaline pumping, heart racing moments. But they are few and far between. Howerver, you'd be lying to yourself that when its all over, the fact that you and your guys are ok is one of the best feelings in the world.

Dont try to paint someone as a sociopath from a few words on the internet.

A modern society in a complex tribal system, in Afghanistan? I am half Iranian and know the culture and history of Afghanistan well, good luck with that man. If you've studied the history of the region, empire after empire has tried and failed to take over Afghanistan (Great Britain, USSR).

[Btbob]

(07-21-2010 12:44 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(07-20-2010 11:53 PM)Btbob Wrote:  

(07-20-2010 08:50 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(07-20-2010 07:50 PM)Btbob Wrote:  

No doubt. I'm pretty honest about my focus being on the action rather than the flag or my bank acccount.

If thats the case, then you've got some deep seeded issues that you need to work out.

Jesus dude, That is not what I nor anyone else is saying. No servicemember Ive ever met has expressed in any way that they like shooting people. Certain parts of this are horrible and terrible things that will give anyone nightmares.

By action I mean the interfacing with a local culture, while trying to accomplish your objectives. Working with foreign partners to accomplish the complete construction of a modern society in a complex tribal system.

Yeah, there are some adrenaline pumping, heart racing moments. But they are few and far between. Howerver, you'd be lying to yourself that when its all over, the fact that you and your guys are ok is one of the best feelings in the world.

Dont try to paint someone as a sociopath from a few words on the internet.

A modern society in a complex tribal system, in Afghanistan? I am half Iranian and know the culture and history of Afghanistan well, good luck with that man. If you've studied the history of the region, empire after empire has tried and failed to take over Afghanistan (Great Britain, USSR).

Not if you consider western society as modern. With globalization continuing on its course, networked tribes are the way of the future. They may end up being world beaters. Look at how networked tribes are challenging state power all over the world. Al-Qaeda and MS-13 are great examples.

[Kona]

(07-20-2010 07:50 PM)Btbob Wrote:  

But Kona: Would someone have been able to talk you out of it? I know that both my father and grandfather (both Rangers and combat vets) couldn'y talk me out of it. Im not saying you're wrong or that you dont make a valid point. But if someone thinks this is a solid option, they'll sign the dotted line no matter what anyone tells them.

Nobody tried to talk me out of it. I got started before 9/11, so there was no need to.

Our fathers and grandfathers were in a completely different military than these kids are going into today. Most of the people that think military service is a solid option and sign their names on lines no matter what anyone says are 18 year old American kids. The recruiters go after girls just as hard these days. This forum has a lot of info on their personas on other threads.

(07-20-2010 07:50 PM)Btbob Wrote:  

No servicemember Ive ever met has expressed in any way that they like shooting people

Really? Did you ever talk to a Marine? You went to Ranger School?

I live about 15 minutes from a huge Army base. (It's part of the US force occupying Hawaii) There's a few bars outside of it that are great places to swoop white girls. Plus, the waitresses are so damn sexy. My brother and I went up there earlier tonight to get laid.

We wound up in a conversation with a couple of Army guys. Every other sentence out of these guys mouths ended with something like "motherfu*kers brains were all over the wall." In between talking about shooting people, and how cool that was, these guys told us about their depressing existence in the us military. One of them had $600 taken from his first of the month pay to cover the vehicle he flipped his first trip to Iraq. He and his wife separated during his second trip. She took his kid back to Little Rocks, and he has to send her $1100 out of his 15th check. He takes home about $500 a month, but that goes to pay all of his bad credit bills. The guy had 3 Purple Hearts.

Eventually we just zoned those guys out. My bro took a white girl to his place, and the local girl bartender chick will be here when they close at 2, but she's a regular. I had the eyes from a real tight bodied girl from CA and approached. I got it out of her that her husband was in Afghan, so I let her go.

Aloha!

[Btbob]

(07-21-2010 06:06 AM)Kona Wrote:  

(07-20-2010 07:50 PM)Btbob Wrote:  

Nobody tried to talk me out of it. I got started before 9/11, so there was no need to.

Our fathers and grandfathers were in a completely different military than these kids are going into today. Most of the people that think military service is a solid option and sign their names on lines no matter what anyone says are 18 year old American kids. The recruiters go after girls just as hard these days. This forum has a lot of info on their personas on other threads.

(07-20-2010 07:50 PM)Btbob Wrote:  

No servicemember Ive ever met has expressed in any way that they like shooting people

Really? Did you ever talk to a Marine? You went to Ranger School?

I live about 15 minutes from a huge Army base. (It's part of the US force occupying Hawaii) There's a few bars outside of it that are great places to swoop white girls. Plus, the waitresses are so damn sexy. My brother and I went up there earlier tonight to get laid.

We wound up in a conversation with a couple of Army guys. Every other sentence out of these guys mouths ended with something like "motherfu*kers brains were all over the wall." In between talking about shooting people, and how cool that was, these guys told us about their depressing existence in the us military. One of them had $600 taken from his first of the month pay to cover the vehicle he flipped his first trip to Iraq. He and his wife separated during his second trip. She took his kid back to Little Rocks, and he has to send her $1100 out of his 15th check. He takes home about $500 a month, but that goes to pay all of his bad credit bills. The guy had 3 Purple Hearts.

Eventually we just zoned those guys out. My bro took a white girl to his place, and the local girl bartender chick will be here when they close at 2, but she's a regular. I had the eyes from a real tight bodied girl from CA and approached. I got it out of her that her husband was in Afghan, so I let her go.

Aloha!

To be honest most of my time in has been spent with other officers or with SOF. The marines Ive worked with were from MARSOC, and Regiment is made up of some pretty bright dudes. My Battalion Commander had a doctorate in Sociology. Not the Kamikaze killers everyone sees in the movies, and not alot of the bullshit bravado in USASOC. I would caution you from taking in-bar smack talking by lower enlisted too seriously.

The rest of what you posted, yeah. All true. Infidelity is rampant, and the Army's rules for divorce are worse than any states. Dont get married if you sign the dotted line.

Ive only been to Schofield passing through, but yeah, you live in a target rich enviroment. Happy hunting.

[hydrogonian]

(07-20-2010 11:53 PM)Btbob Wrote:  

(07-20-2010 08:50 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(07-20-2010 07:50 PM)Btbob Wrote:  

No doubt. I'm pretty honest about my focus being on the action rather than the flag or my bank acccount.

If thats the case, then you've got some deep seeded issues that you need to work out.

Jesus dude, That is not what I nor anyone else is saying. No servicemember Ive ever met has expressed in any way that they like shooting people. Certain parts of this are horrible and terrible things that will give anyone nightmares.

By action I mean the interfacing with a local culture, while trying to accomplish your objectives. Working with foreign partners to accomplish the complete construction of a modern society in a complex tribal system.

Yeah, there are some adrenaline pumping, heart racing moments. But they are few and far between. Howerver, you'd be lying to yourself that when its all over, the fact that you and your guys are ok is one of the best feelings in the world.

Dont try to paint someone as a sociopath from a few words on the internet.

I apologize for the misinterpretation.

[playa_with_a_passport]

I grew up in a hood where if you weren't good enough to cut it in community college and you had a clean arrest record, you only had two choices, the armed forcers or the the 4pm to 12am shift at Burger King. So a lot of my friends who joined did it because they didn't really have much of a choice. Most of them came back 4 to 6 years older and ready to give community college another try. I contemplated joining the Navy's submarine officer program after engineering grad school, the recruiter promised me the moon and the stars but he neglected to tell me about the 8 years minimum active duty commitment. Roosh should have a post about "Recruiter's Game."

[Btbob]

(07-22-2010 08:00 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

I apologize for the misinterpretation.

No worries dude.

Im not going to defend the military and no sane person can defend recruiters. Some of them are slimy bastards. My only message was that the military isnt all bad.

But, Im clearly on here researching travel and making money.

[hydrogonian]

(07-22-2010 10:44 AM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

I grew up in a hood where if you weren't good enough to cut it in community college and you had a clean arrest record, you only had two choices, the armed forcers or the the 4pm to 12am shift at Burger King. So a lot of my friends who joined did it because they didn't really have much of a choice. Most of them came back 4 to 6 years older and ready to give community college another try. I contemplated joining the Navy's submarine officer program after engineering grad school, the recruiter promised me the moon and the stars but he neglected to tell me about the 8 years minimum active duty commitment. Roosh should have a post about "Recruiter's Game."

Thats rough. Its largely the poor and underprivileged who will always fight the wars for everyone else. Depending on what you believe about the motivations for many wars, its a crime. Kids get killed because they are trying to pay for college. Like you said, there's no choice for them. The only good I can take from that is that the armed forces can give people a chance to grow up a bit before they spend money on college. I know that I wasn't ready for the real world at 18, and did a lot of growing up in college. An expensive place to do it.

[hydrogonian]

(07-21-2010 06:06 AM)Kona Wrote:  

One of them had $600 taken from his first of the month pay to cover the vehicle he flipped his first trip to Iraq.

Theres no other word for that except 'wrong'.

We're going to train you to kill and send you to a war zone, to risk your life to fight a war for which we pretty much have a blank check, but if you fuck up the equipment in the process, your paying for it.

Thats balls.

(07-21-2010 06:06 AM)Kona Wrote:  

I got it out of her that her husband was in Afghan, so I let her go.

Good man... That type of whore, that is if she was ready to go, shouldn't be enabled by any man with any kind of personal ethics. Thats one instance where I would actively try to shame a woman into fidelity.

[Kona]

(07-22-2010 02:27 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Theres no other word for that except 'wrong'.

At some point in everyone's military career, they get screwed over hard. For some guys, getting dicked over can drag on for years. Luckily for me, they fucked me right before my time was up.

What I wrote above here was since I've been out. I got a million stories about military service going bad on people.

Aloha!

[Rocco81]

Yeah its a trade off...I am on contract with the Army now (I'm not a soldier). There are goods and bads to everything. If you go overseas, you will get paid. Of course you might get shot, but you get paid and the money just sits there till you get back. I know plenty of guys I work with that got their college paid for 100% and with the experience from the military come right out and get pretty decent job offers plus big room for growth and this is their 1st corporate type job.

In the line of work I do, most of the guys that have the military experience plus college earn atleast 10-15k more per year for that domain knowledge...plus they have cool ass stories to tell

[Nacirema]

In my case, serving in the U.S. Army as a Cav Scout was one of the better choices I've made in my lifetime.

I would recommend anybody who is interested to read some books and really do some research before getting involved.

Its not a choice to be taken lightly.

[SmartBoyTender]

I joined the Marine Corps seven months ago. It's something you really have to think about and research. I'm a college student and enlisted in the reserves to get a little bit of experience before going officer. It fits my needs so far, but who knows later down the road? If it's something you decide one day isn't really for you, you're kind of stuck with it until your contract expires or you die.

[Rocco81]

As with all things, as these guys have suggested (unless you die or become severely disfigured) all this shit is temporary. You are going to be 18, 25, 35 (whatever your age) wherever you are in the world, making the best of your days no matter what your job. I know that sitting in an office and bieng PC with a bunch betaboys and fembots its lame and when you hear someone rememisce about the days of mowing down shit with a .50 cal or jumping out of planes or the occasional cofirmed kill story, you just realize at that moment as a man you could be missing out.

There are a few kinds of guys you will meet in the military. Most are pretty cool, view it as a job and might be pretty depressed at the fact of shooting someone. Other's are pretty gung ho and unapologetic about it.

[The_Chap]

Been there done that. Do you really want to be in Sausage fest?